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Originally posted by Javiolimpo:
The best wines from Spain (2007):

- Numanthia 2002 (Toro)
- El Contador 2004 (Incredible)(rioja)
- Aalto PS 2003 (Ribera del Duero)

What do you think?

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I think it takes balls to post something probably very very wrong and then to point out that you sell the wines you just touted. Big Grin

I haven't tasted ANY of these wines, but let me point out they were all released within the past year or so...

1996 Vega Sicilia Unico
1995 Vega Sicilia Unico
2003 Mauro Vendimia Seleccionada
2003 Pingus
2004 Pingus
2004 Clos Mogador
2003 L'Ermita
2004 L'Ermita
2003 Mas Doix VV
2004 Mas Doix VV
2003 Rotllan Torra Tirant
2004 Rotllan Torra Tirant
2003 Clos Erasmus
2004 Clos Erasmus (I had an off bottle of this)
2003 Termanthia
2004 Termanthia

While some of those might have been released in '06, and that Mauro may not be available stateside, I would put my money on most/all of them being better than any of the wines OP mentioned... Plus there are 7 different 2004 Riojas that got a 97+ in the WA that I didn't even mention because I really don't know much about them...

That is what I think Smile
You have - and when we saw it on the list for $33 or 34 Euros - I think I had some recall of your comments (somehow) when I told MLV that we should go for it.

Curiously after we ordered it, our server showed serious appreciation for our choice.

Thanks for your mentioning of this wine, it was definitely one of those magical bottles for us. We were talking about it the rest of the trip
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
You have - and when we saw it on the list for $33 or 34 Euros - I think I had some recall of your comments (somehow) when I told MLV that we should go for it.

Curiously after we ordered it, our server showed serious appreciation for our choice.

Thanks for your mentioning of this wine, it was definitely one of those magical bottles for us. We were talking about it the rest of the trip


I'm actually in Spain now and I had a bottle of Roda 1 2002 about two weeks ago in Jerez. I was disapointed to be honest, a little too heavy on the new french oak influence. The night before I had a bottle of Muga Prado Enea 1996 for two euros more and it blew the Roda away. This is what I personally consider to be real rioja. Aging in large american oak barrels and incredibly pure tempranillo fruit expressions.
Sorry to dissappoint - we did not take any notes. Had a wonderful visit with Gerard Simo thought - great stuff is happening at Jean Simo -

It was a tough time to visit Priorat as they were generally in the middle of a very busy time - Even so, Gerard and Pep from Trio Infernal and Roger Simo at Vall LLach made some time for us.

We also visisted Capcanes in Monsant - largely because they make the Flora de Primavera - one of the best kosher wines that exists.

It was very curious that until we got to Valencia (so the time we were in Madrid and Sevilla) - we saw almost no priorats anywhere. It was all Rioja and Ribera del Duera - When we got to priorat, we learned that the US represents 80% or so of each of the wineries customer base and they explained the difficulties they had in selling their wine in Spain.
In Jerez, Spain now as a matter of fact. Having drunk my fill of sherry I decided to take a punt at a red wine from the area. Huerta de Albala, Taberner 1 2005 from Cadiz (60 euros). Very good wine, not sure about the best in Spain, but certainly in my top 3 modern style Spanish wines tasted this year (and I taste a lot Big Grin). Pretty sure it was 100% syrah and 95 points from RP apparently.
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Originally posted by Circumstance:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
You have - and when we saw it on the list for $33 or 34 Euros - I think I had some recall of your comments (somehow) when I told MLV that we should go for it.

Curiously after we ordered it, our server showed serious appreciation for our choice.

Thanks for your mentioning of this wine, it was definitely one of those magical bottles for us. We were talking about it the rest of the trip


I'm actually in Spain now and I had a bottle of Roda 1 2002 about two weeks ago in Jerez. I was disapointed to be honest, a little too heavy on the new french oak influence. The night before I had a bottle of Muga Prado Enea 1996 for two euros more and it blew the Roda away. This is what I personally consider to be real rioja. Aging in large american oak barrels and incredibly pure tempranillo fruit expressions.


To each their own, I don't think I have had the 96 Muga. I had the 95 Muga Prado Enea a couple years ago at an offline here. While wondeful on the nose, the wine was lacking on the palate and a dissappointment. 94 points on the nose, 87 or so on the palate and probably an 89-90 point wine in total. For me, the Roda I blew that away (granted we are talking about tastings no where near in time). That is just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours.
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Sorry to dissappoint - we did not take any notes. Had a wonderful visit with Gerard Simo thought - great stuff is happening at Jean Simo -

It was a tough time to visit Priorat as they were generally in the middle of a very busy time - Even so, Gerard and Pep from Trio Infernal and Roger Simo at Vall LLach made some time for us.

We also visisted Capcanes in Monsant - largely because they make the Flora de Primavera - one of the best kosher wines that exists.

It was very curious that until we got to Valencia (so the time we were in Madrid and Sevilla) - we saw almost no priorats anywhere. It was all Rioja and Ribera del Duera - When we got to priorat, we learned that the US represents 80% or so of each of the wineries customer base and they explained the difficulties they had in selling their wine in Spain.


I certainly agree with you on that. Spanish people in general don't like the idea that a bodega can pop up out of nowhere (as many do in Priorat) and immediately charge such high prices for their wines. A lot of priorat is also very modern concentrated and extracted which tends to suit the U.S palate (again another generalization).
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by Circumstance:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
You have - and when we saw it on the list for $33 or 34 Euros - I think I had some recall of your comments (somehow) when I told MLV that we should go for it.

Curiously after we ordered it, our server showed serious appreciation for our choice.

Thanks for your mentioning of this wine, it was definitely one of those magical bottles for us. We were talking about it the rest of the trip


I'm actually in Spain now and I had a bottle of Roda 1 2002 about two weeks ago in Jerez. I was disapointed to be honest, a little too heavy on the new french oak influence. The night before I had a bottle of Muga Prado Enea 1996 for two euros more and it blew the Roda away. This is what I personally consider to be real rioja. Aging in large american oak barrels and incredibly pure tempranillo fruit expressions.


To each their own, I don't think I have had the 96 Muga. I had the 95 Muga Prado Enea a couple years ago at an offline here. While wondeful on the nose, the wine was lacking on the palate and a dissappointment. 94 points on the nose, 87 or so on the palate and probably an 89-90 point wine in total. For me, the Roda I blew that away (granted we are talking about tastings no where near in time). That is just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours.


Yes, wine appreciation is entirely subjective and I welcome different opinions. The Prao Enea was certainly not as rich on the palate, but for me it had more finesse and what I perceive to be "riojaness" about it. If you like Roda, wine you should try Allende or Artadi if you haven't already.
Torre Muga is a great wine¡¡¡¡
My taste note: http://catavinos.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/torre-muga-2000/
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Originally posted by Circumstance:
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
You have - and when we saw it on the list for $33 or 34 Euros - I think I had some recall of your comments (somehow) when I told MLV that we should go for it.

Curiously after we ordered it, our server showed serious appreciation for our choice.

Thanks for your mentioning of this wine, it was definitely one of those magical bottles for us. We were talking about it the rest of the trip


I'm actually in Spain now and I had a bottle of Roda 1 2002 about two weeks ago in Jerez. I was disapointed to be honest, a little too heavy on the new french oak influence. The night before I had a bottle of Muga Prado Enea 1996 for two euros more and it blew the Roda away. This is what I personally consider to be real rioja. Aging in large american oak barrels and incredibly pure tempranillo fruit expressions.
Tienes razón, es muy caro en Michigan¡¡¡

En España vale unos 65€ y el Aalto unos 25€
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Originally posted by chaad:
Oh man, that '03 Aalto PS is rockin'! BUT, it costs $114 retail here in Michigan!

The base Aalto Ribera del Duero aint shabby, either, and is more attainable at $56.

(FYI, Aalto is brought by Stateside by Eric Solomon/European Cellars.)
quote:
Originally posted by Circumstance:
I'm actually in Spain now and I had a bottle of Roda 1 2002 about two weeks ago in Jerez. I was disapointed to be honest, a little too heavy on the new french oak influence.


To be fair, I never tried the 2002. The '95 was one of my initial WOW wines and was still absolutely rocking years later. The 1996 was good, not fabulous. The 1998 was very very good. The 2001 Is a truly awesome bottle of Rioja. I do agree the wine is made in a somewhat more modern style and 2002 was a leaner year in Rioja so perhaps the fruit did not stand up quite as well?

Then again, jcocktosten and I have scarily similar palates (and musical preferences and film preferences...) I mean really scarily similar, so perhpas Roda I just isn't your thing Wink
Last edited by winetarelli
Si te acuerdo. Un stylo differente de Prado Enea (robles nuevo y frances), pero como Roda 1 un vino que technicalmente es muy bueno. Si eres de Espana y te gusta tinto, deberias catar Huerta de Albala- Taberner 2005 de Arcos de la Frontera- que una sorpresa y que un buen vino- 15 euros. Donde vives?
quote:
Originally posted by Javiolimpo:
Torre Muga is a great wine¡¡¡¡
My taste note: http://catavinos.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/torre-muga-2000/
quote:
Originally posted by Circumstance:
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
You have - and when we saw it on the list for $33 or 34 Euros - I think I had some recall of your comments (somehow) when I told MLV that we should go for it.

Curiously after we ordered it, our server showed serious appreciation for our choice.

Thanks for your mentioning of this wine, it was definitely one of those magical bottles for us. We were talking about it the rest of the trip


I'm actually in Spain now and I had a bottle of Roda 1 2002 about two weeks ago in Jerez. I was disapointed to be honest, a little too heavy on the new french oak influence. The night before I had a bottle of Muga Prado Enea 1996 for two euros more and it blew the Roda away. This is what I personally consider to be real rioja. Aging in large american oak barrels and incredibly pure tempranillo fruit expressions.
The Taberner 2005 I mentioned before is also imported by European Cellars. They have a good range. I agree with you on the Aalto wines they are very well made wines
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Originally posted by chaad:
Oh man, that '03 Aalto PS is rockin'! BUT, it costs $114 retail here in Michigan!

The base Aalto Ribera del Duero aint shabby, either, and is more attainable at $56.

(FYI, Aalto is brought by Stateside by Eric Solomon/European Cellars.)
quote:
Originally posted by Javiolimpo:
Tienes razón, es muy caro en Michigan¡¡¡

En España vale unos 65€ y el Aalto unos 25€
quote:
Originally posted by chaad:
Oh man, that '03 Aalto PS is rockin'! BUT, it costs $114 retail here in Michigan!

The base Aalto Ribera del Duero aint shabby, either, and is more attainable at $56.

(FYI, Aalto is brought by Stateside by Eric Solomon/European Cellars.)


¡Eres afortunado!

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