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Wine Spectator Has Been Scammed

M machineMember
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by SLJ:
I don't drink I taste and you my friend you should do some homework or just stay ignorant. Most dishonest businesses WS make the majority of there money off, guess who?? You. Keep paying there bills.


oh god, please learn to construct a proper thought before posting. I have no idea what the f you just said.


I think someone is pulling the board's leg.
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
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Originally posted by SLJ:
Hey Machine. THERE WASN"T A RESTURANT, Of course they need to make money if there was one. The issue in my opinion is I don't feel that the average hard working citizen that buys a WS mag see's a review on a wine or a resturant and goes there or buys that because of it should be hugely disappointed because the WS wanted to make money dishonestly. Thats like the emails we all get that say you won a million dollars just send $29.99 for the process fee. They have been doing this for years. Shame on them and the best thing they could do is realize and start offering a good product for fair price. Either that or quit trying to put lipstick on a pig!
Wow.


hahah some taittinger just came out of my nose. That was an awesome link.
D davem858Member
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by SLJ:
I don't drink I taste and you my friend you should do some homework or just stay ignorant. Most dishonest businesses WS make the majority of there money off, guess who?? You. Keep paying there bills.


oh god, please learn to construct a proper thought before posting. I have no idea what the f you just said.


Come on g-man, you can't follow the run on sentence and grammatical mistakes here?? Clearly SLJ is saying...is saying...okay I have no idea what the F he is trying to say...
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by davem858:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by SLJ:
I don't drink I taste and you my friend you should do some homework or just stay ignorant. Most dishonest businesses WS make the majority of there money off, guess who?? You. Keep paying there bills.


oh god, please learn to construct a proper thought before posting. I have no idea what the f you just said.


Come on g-man, you can't follow the run on sentence and grammatical mistakes here?? Clearly SLJ is saying...is saying...okay I have no idea what the F he is trying to say...


2 bottles of wine afterwards never helps comprehension.
B brianloringMember
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Originally posted by Machine:
Hey if the tasting notes interest you, maybe the hyperbole you refer to is also your cup of pee...er, tea...

You know, I never disrespected you. I didn't call you names. I tried to respond to what I assumed was (contained somewhere in your post) a legitimate point - hyperbole aside. And then this is your response. Very sad.
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by SLJ:
davem858 That very well could be the problem with the WS crew to worried about evrything but the wine. Thanks for the comments everyone I rest my case! Ta ta I'm off to to a tasting of wine from the chateauneuf du pape region. Enjoy the WS and those recommendations. Did I spell that correctly?


dipsht .. the region is rhone ...
B brunellodrinkerMember
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Originally posted by SLJ:
It's funny, not supriseing my other user name (with a negatine comment doesn't work any more.Typical WS bs. Here's the deal, if you hace one question about the integrety on WS then do your home work contact people that are really into wine or the business and speak with them about there rateings and there advertizing practices. Enyone who is serious about wine knnow WS is for posers(looks good on the coffee table) and beginners. The thought that anyone would think otherwise simply says exactly that. Be strong my @#$! How about except who you are. A cash cow. Nothing wrong with that so why draw a stick figure picture and call it a Picasso?? Exibit A: Decanter Magazine. Sorry to inform all the WS beleivers. Have a glass of your Cab, Merlot,chardonnay or white zinfandel you got from the super market that WS recommended of course and realize.


Had to add my edited version of this trainwreck as well. Big Grin Wait, did he say he hadn't been drinking?? Eek
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D davem858Member
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Originally posted by SLJ:
davem858 That very well could be the problem with the WS crew to worried about evrything but the wine. Thanks for the comments everyone I rest my case! Ta ta I'm off to to a tasting of wine from the chateauneuf du pape region. Enjoy the WS and those recommendations. Did I spell that correctly?


Ironically, your posts have proved you are the one not focused on the wine. And based on your comments I'm guessing you probably aren't really "tasting" anything from the "chateauneuf du pape region" which, last time I checked, isn't actually defined as such.

Most of us here tried to make this about the wine. The one-hit-wonders wanted to make this about journalistic integrity (an oxymoron in my book). WS never mislead anyone about what these ratings were about. Perhaps the uneducated may have been deceived. Frankly I am tired of looking out for the ignorant public. As has been stated here ad nauseum, nobody should be relying solely on these "awards" to determine where they plan on dining. It is merely a starting point. Move the F on already and go to your artificially created "chateauneuf du pape region" tasting.
mimikmimikMember
Given WS's version, it seems apparent that Mr. Goldstein pulled off an elaborate hoax. Was it altruistic in nature wanting to highlight the perceived inadequacies of the WS restaurant wine awards or was it a stunt purely based on self-interest as a means to create a stunt to promote awareness of his book?

Given the fact that only 15 wines of the 200+ submitted were rated poorly by WS, it is quite clear that Mr. Goldstein knowingly and intentionally created a deception for WS ultimately for his own self-interest and there is nothing altruistic or noble about that. It was a fraudulent action on his part.

That being said, his actions do highlight a necessity I believe to review the accuracy and purpose of the WS restaurant wine awards and better scrutinize past, present and future recipients of the award. It is unfortunate that such an incident occurred but hopefully, some constructive change will come of it. It is not the first time that these awards have come under scrutiny on these boards.
M machineMember
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Originally posted by Brian Loring:
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Originally posted by Machine:
Hey if the tasting notes interest you, maybe the hyperbole you refer to is also your cup of pee...er, tea...

You know, I never disrespected you. I didn't call you names. I tried to respond to what I assumed was (contained somewhere in your post) a legitimate point - hyperbole aside. And then this is your response. Very sad.


Hey, I thought my response was funny! Sorry it made you sad...but I also disagreed with your opinion of bad wines on a wine list...no big deal.
pinotlvrpinotlvrMember
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Originally posted by Brian Loring:
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Originally posted by Machine:
Hey if the tasting notes interest you, maybe the hyperbole you refer to is also your cup of pee...er, tea...

You know, I never disrespected you. I didn't call you names. I tried to respond to what I assumed was (contained somewhere in your post) a legitimate point - hyperbole aside. And then this is your response. Very sad.


And to keep the thread wine related Big Grin The 2005 LWC Clos Pepe Vineyard Pinot I had the other night was outstanding.! Big Grin
D davem858Member
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That being said, his actions do highlight a necessity I believe to review the accuracy and purpose of the WS restaurant wine awards and better scrutinize past, present and future recipients of the award. It is unfortunate that such an incident occurred but hopefully, some constructive change will come of it. It is not the first time that these awards have come under scrutiny on these boards.


I have to say I don't agree with this. I was always under the impression (and righfully so it seems) that they merely reviewed and graded a submitted wine list. They didn't confirm it they didn't audit it (I am a CPA by the way).

This is an invaluable list from which to start your research on where to dine - key word -> start your research.

I am so sick of the lazy bastards who want to "blame" WS for steering them in the wrong direction b/c they didn't do any due diligence. This is no different than the A-hole who sued McDonald's b/c their coffee was too hot. I'm sick of it.

Okay...I have to stop now...
M maverickMember
WOW. What a team. To answer Machine's question, I generally have no use for post counts. I think they should be gone. I'm using them here because I find it offensive that these posters have at no other time come into this forum to add anything, but to join now to criticize, complain and tell WS that they are out of bounds with what they do. I find it rude to come in here, and with your first post, and probably last, tell the hosts that they suck. If you don't like what WS does, go somewhere else. There are plenty of other wine BB's available. It doesn't take an abacus to find any of them. If you have problems with the WS "Awards", then knock your socs off, make up your own by your own rules. If this were eBob, and any of these posters spoke of Robt. Parker in the same way, they would be gone faster than fast. That's it. I'm done talking. LOL. I was trying very hard to include "people with no stake in the situation/horse in the race" somewhere in this, but I couldn't see it fitting in.

MADWINO - 3 of 5 posts, this topic.
Tannat Madiran - ALL 3 posts, this topic.
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CRS - ALL 16 posts in this thread.
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Phillip in France - 1 post, this topic.
* Phillip can be excused though, because he claims to have come here from "DIGG". Since that makes him around 14 years old, he really can't be called out on this.
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d.s.williams - 3 of 4 posts, this topic.
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SLJ - 5 posts, this topic. (Try using "Spell-Check".)

THIS IS A BRILLIANT POST:
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Originally posted by davem858:
I have to say, most of the criticism here is ridiculous. While I don't travel very often, I have used the award list many times. Who only gets the name and address of a restaurant receiving a basic award and heads right out to the restaurant?? There is a link provided to the restaurant's website right. Why do I need WS to spend all that time going to each restaurant's website and all the other crap people are suggesting when I'm going to do it myself anyway??

For example - I found a restaurant receiving an award. Checked their website; they had a particular bottle I wanted to try; I called, they had it in stock. I read the menu, saw things that appealed to me and made a reservation. WS did their job by providing me the link. Done deal. If they didn't have the wine in stock or if the menu sucked, I wasn't going. Who's the victim in that scenario? I wasn't "duped" into going to a crappy place with a bogus wine list because I did my own due diligence - which I will do every time I want to try a new place with a decent wine list.

My point is this - if you have the time to post all your complaints here you have the time to do research on the small handful of WS Award winning restaurants you might be trying for the first time.

ANOTHER BRILLIANT POST:
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Originally posted by Brad Coelho:
Unconstructive hate from the holier than thou crew- how dare Wine Spectator be a business and make money?! Look in the mirror folks- the magazine has extreme breadth & gives you the tools to make up your own mind regarding the particular restaurant. With every restaurant award, there is a profile (which, by the way, is free to non-subscribers) that provides an address and website- it's fair to say that the lowest tier award will at least have a decent selection...could they be more difficult in terms of scrutinizing lists? Of course, it's a work in progress...but a very good start. Where else can you find a wine-centric library of restaurants in a comprehensive, almost exhausting fashion? If you disagree w/ a selection (or tasting note, for that matter) fine, but at least it starts the research process rolling...

and if you only find value in top selections where visits are made, fine- their Grand award winners are almost irrefutably top notch & their interviews & analysis of them certainly have merit...

Either way, move on- if you don't like the issue then don't buy it...but the success of wine spectator as a BUSINESS is irrefutable, and there is something for everyone in terms of what it offers from a wine standpoint; take that which you don't like w/ a grain of salt. It's a magazine about wine, not curing cancer.


Brian Loring, you've had some great posts in here too; you've made very good points.
A altaholicMember
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Originally posted by SLJ:
davem858 That very well could be the problem with the WS crew (to, too, two) worried about evrything but the wine. Thanks for the comments everyone I rest my case! Ta ta I'm off to to a tasting of wine from the chateauneuf du pape region. Enjoy the WS and those recommendations. Did I spell that correctly?
D davem858Member
You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried!!

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Originally posted by Altaholic:
Instructions: Circle the correct word (to, too, two). Also, correct the other word that is misspelled in the first sentence. Correct all other punctuation errors within the remainder of the passage. You have 5 minutes to complete the test. Turn papers into the instructor when you are done.
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Originally posted by SLJ:
davem858 That very well could be the problem with the WS crew (to, too, two) worried about evrything but the wine. Thanks for the comments everyone I rest my case! Ta ta I'm off to to a tasting of wine from the chateauneuf du pape region. Enjoy the WS and those recommendations. Did I spell that correctly?
D davem858Member
I wanted to thank Maverick for complimenting my earlier post - I really assumed I was being ignored b/c of my low post count!! Re-reading it I feel better about my efforts toward conveying my points.

That being said, I was also glad I didn't end up on the "ratio of posts in this topic compared to total posts" list. This topic happened to hit a nerve with me and I typically have a lot to say so I jumped into the fray. Hopefully I will be able to continue on as a semi-frequent poster here.
H holgerbMember
For Marvin Shanker, it's all about the money. Putting aside how pathetic the "award" issue is, he's prostituted WS to the hilt.

I'm not going to defend the clown that made WS look like idiots, but it was bound to happen sooner or later. If the awards are for sale, where's the integrity for anything they do?

It's all downhill for Wine Spec from here.
D davem858Member
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Originally posted by Holger B:
For Marvin Shanker, it's all about the money. Putting aside how pathetic the "award" issue is, he's prostituted WS to the hilt.

I'm not going to defend the clown that made WS look like idiots, but it was bound to happen sooner or later. If the awards are for sale, where's the integrity for anything they do?

It's all downhill for Wine Spec from here.


For sale?? For $250?? WTF are you talking about? Do you really think $250 gets you anything in the wine world? If so, you are seriously out of touch with reality.
pinotlvrpinotlvrMember
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
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Originally posted by GreenDrazi:
As much as I found this “scandal” a good laugh, watching the forum trolls getting their panties in a bunch over new posters is almost as rich.

Big Grin Popcorn Big Grin
Actually some of us are just laughing our asses off at them.

Much like we do with you....... Popcorn


Big Grin Classic Big Grin
greendrazigreendraziMember
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Originally posted by Chilepepper:
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
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Originally posted by GreenDrazi:
As much as I found this “scandal” a good laugh, watching the forum trolls getting their panties in a bunch over new posters is almost as rich.

Big Grin Popcorn Big Grin
Actually some of us are just laughing our asses off at them.

Much like we do with you....... Popcorn


Big Grin Classic Big Grin
You’re both giving Pavlov’s dog a real run for his money.
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