WOW. What a team. To answer Machine's question, I generally have no use for post counts. I think they should be gone. I'm using them here because I find it offensive that these posters have at no other time come into this forum to add anything, but to join now to criticize, complain and tell WS that they are out of bounds with what they do. I find it rude to come in here, and with your first post, and probably last, tell the hosts that they suck. If you don't like what WS does, go somewhere else. There are plenty of other wine BB's available. It doesn't take an abacus to find any of them. If you have problems with the WS "Awards", then knock your socs off, make up your own by your own rules. If this were eBob, and any of these posters spoke of Robt. Parker in the same way, they would be gone faster than fast. That's it. I'm done talking. LOL. I was trying very hard to include "people with no stake in the situation/horse in the race" somewhere in this, but I couldn't see it fitting in.
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ANOTHER BRILLIANT POST:
Originally posted by davem858:
I have to say, most of the criticism here is ridiculous. While I don't travel very often, I have used the award list many times. Who only gets the name and address of a restaurant receiving a basic award and heads right out to the restaurant?? There is a link provided to the restaurant's website right. Why do I need WS to spend all that time going to each restaurant's website and all the other crap people are suggesting when I'm going to do it myself anyway??
For example - I found a restaurant receiving an award. Checked their website; they had a particular bottle I wanted to try; I called, they had it in stock. I read the menu, saw things that appealed to me and made a reservation. WS did their job by providing me the link. Done deal. If they didn't have the wine in stock or if the menu sucked, I wasn't going. Who's the victim in that scenario? I wasn't "duped" into going to a crappy place with a bogus wine list because I did my own due diligence - which I will do every time I want to try a new place with a decent wine list.
My point is this - if you have the time to post all your complaints here you have the time to do research on the small handful of WS Award winning restaurants you might be trying for the first time.
Originally posted by Brad Coelho:
Unconstructive hate from the holier than thou crew- how dare Wine Spectator be a business and make money?! Look in the mirror folks- the magazine has extreme breadth & gives you the tools to make up your own mind regarding the particular restaurant. With every restaurant award, there is a profile (which, by the way, is free to non-subscribers) that provides an address and website- it's fair to say that the lowest tier award will at least have a decent selection...could they be more difficult in terms of scrutinizing lists? Of course, it's a work in progress...but a very good start. Where else can you find a wine-centric library of restaurants in a comprehensive, almost exhausting fashion? If you disagree w/ a selection (or tasting note, for that matter) fine, but at least it starts the research process rolling...
and if you only find value in top selections where visits are made, fine- their Grand award winners are almost irrefutably top notch & their interviews & analysis of them certainly have merit...
Either way, move on- if you don't like the issue then don't buy it...but the success of wine spectator as a BUSINESS is irrefutable, and there is something for everyone in terms of what it offers from a wine standpoint; take that which you don't like w/ a grain of salt. It's a magazine about wine, not curing cancer.
Brian Loring, you've had some great posts in here too; you've made very good points.