So I was all set on buying a 200 bottle Artevino at Costco online - free shipping too - for $1799, a $200 off their regular price... Until the $200 savings disappeared!! I called but they said no dice. Once they sell out of a set number of units, the discount goes away.

My question is, would it still be a good deal, at $2000 for a 200-bottle capacity ArteVino? I'm attracted to the fact that it isn't noisy at all, apparently. I would need two, at my present level, though not many of my wines are super expensive. I just figure, go big or go home... Don't want to buy something marginal even if cheap, but is it worth it? Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by AmsterdamNL:
... I would need two, at my present level, though not many of my wines are super expensive. I just figure, go big or go home... QUOTE]

remember the stated capacity is typically with minimal shelving that makes it harder to get stuff in and out of if its not on top of a stack. So make sure to consider what racking you'll want and potential future capacity needs.

Eurocaves are typically considered one of the top few brands.
As far as Eurocave, I say yes it is worth the cost, as it represents solid quality and reliability. Friends of mine have saved money initially with other units but have been unhappy. Too noisy or the compressor breaks down - one by one I have seen them have to replace or fix their units while my Eurocave units just keep on plugging year after year.
This Artevino unit is nice, but I agree, that the stated number of bottles is never practically achieved. You are looking at 170-180 bottles, max. However, compared to the prices of other Eurocave units (sold primarily through wine enthusiast), $1995 is still a good price.
Agree with posters that Eurocave's - or any other brand's - stated capacity is tough to achieve. I think to get close you need no shelves and all Bordeaux style bottles.

All that said, I think my Eurocave is 15 years old and has had zero issues.

My biggest problem is that I need another, a cellar, or some other solution because it just ain't big enough anymore. Sigh.
Thanks for all the responses! I am now convinced it is a better choice than an average, noisier unit that could have issues down the line.

Maybe I'll get one unit and see how many bottles fit. Given everyone's feedback, I may need three... Damn, at that price I might as well build a cellar, no?
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Originally posted by AmsterdamNL:
Thanks for all the responses! I am now convinced it is a better choice than an average, noisier unit that could have issues down the line.

Maybe I'll get one unit and see how many bottles fit. Given everyone's feedback, I may need three... Damn, at that price I might as well build a cellar, no?


By all means! Most people own Eurocaves because they do not have the room to build a cellar. With that said, the nice thing is that if one moves, the Eurocaves are moveable.
Check out this thread. A few of us, myself included, are building out cellars now.

You can build a cellar under $10k, easily. If you have a decent space (even just a 5x8) you can easily fit 1,000 bottles.

Some pros to a cellar are less refrigerator units running, aesthetics, better organization / access, once you get up to 800+ bottles they're most cost-effective.

Some pros to the EC are some redundancy (if one unit fails, you still have the other units running and keeping wine cool), if you move, they move.

I considered doing a wall of matching EuroCave instead of my walk-in. However, I have close to 1,000 bottles right now, so I would need 6 units for this to start making sense. At that point, I'm up to $12K and still don't have the capacity or aesthetic appeal, and it's probably much more expensive to run those 6 compressors than the 1 larger one.
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
Check out this thread. A few of us, myself included, are building out cellars now.

You can build a cellar under $10k, easily. If you have a decent space (even just a 5x8) you can easily fit 1,000 bottles.

Some pros to a cellar are less refrigerator units running, aesthetics, better organization / access, once you get up to 800+ bottles they're most cost-effective.

Some pros to the EC are some redundancy (if one unit fails, you still have the other units running and keeping wine cool), if you move, they move.

I considered doing a wall of matching EuroCave instead of my walk-in. However, I have close to 1,000 bottles right now, so I would need 6 units for this to start making sense. At that point, I'm up to $12K and still don't have the capacity or aesthetic appeal, and it's probably much more expensive to run those 6 compressors than the 1 larger one.


Also depends on available space and layout of your home. I would love to have a full cellar like you are building, like Miami Atty built and like Otis' (these are whose I have seen) - but it was not practical. So we have 2 Eurocaves and 2 giant Vinotemps for now with an added Eurocave bought for Key West where we hope to ultimately build a real cellar once we settle in and recover from the original build expense.
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
Check out this thread. A few of us, myself included, are building out cellars now.

You can build a cellar under $10k, easily. If you have a decent space (even just a 5x8) you can easily fit 1,000 bottles.

Some pros to a cellar are less refrigerator units running, aesthetics, better organization / access, once you get up to 800+ bottles they're most cost-effective.

Some pros to the EC are some redundancy (if one unit fails, you still have the other units running and keeping wine cool), if you move, they move.

I considered doing a wall of matching EuroCave instead of my walk-in. However, I have close to 1,000 bottles right now, so I would need 6 units for this to start making sense. At that point, I'm up to $12K and still don't have the capacity or aesthetic appeal, and it's probably much more expensive to run those 6 compressors than the 1 larger one.


Yep. I think the math makes sense. I'm going to price out the cellar construction maybe, because the collection is getting bigger and more expensive (though I can't even touch some of the prized collections of some serious wine experts on this forum, but hoping to get there one day).

Thanks much y'all. If I do get the EC, it'll be a lovely add to the house, and the "if you move it moves" argument is a winning one.
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Originally posted by AmsterdamNL:
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
Check out this thread. A few of us, myself included, are building out cellars now.

You can build a cellar under $10k, easily. If you have a decent space (even just a 5x8) you can easily fit 1,000 bottles.

Some pros to a cellar are less refrigerator units running, aesthetics, better organization / access, once you get up to 800+ bottles they're most cost-effective.

Some pros to the EC are some redundancy (if one unit fails, you still have the other units running and keeping wine cool), if you move, they move.

I considered doing a wall of matching EuroCave instead of my walk-in. However, I have close to 1,000 bottles right now, so I would need 6 units for this to start making sense. At that point, I'm up to $12K and still don't have the capacity or aesthetic appeal, and it's probably much more expensive to run those 6 compressors than the 1 larger one.


Yep. I think the math makes sense. I'm going to price out the cellar construction maybe, because the collection is getting bigger and more expensive (though I can't even touch some of the prized collections of some serious wine experts on this forum, but hoping to get there one day).

Thanks much y'all. If I do get the EC, it'll be a lovely add to the house, and the "if you move it moves" argument is a winning one.


Read the thread I linked to.

If you use a "wine cellar company" it will be expensive. If you hire a normal GC and just provide some very strict guidance, you'll save a lot of money.

Wine Cellar companies are great, but they really charge a premium for their knowledge. The thread I linked to goes really in-depth regarding what you need. If you just tell the GC "do the following, exactly as I say to" you'll save a ton of money.

Once you get close to the 700 bottle mark, if you have the space, a very utilitarian cellar will run you far less than a bunch of separate units, especially when it comes to monthly power costs. My cellar is going to have some decent aesthetic appeal, but it'll be primarily functional, and I'm coming in under $8K. Conservatively, I'll be able to store 1,200 bottles. If I really "go for it" I can get over 1,500 and maybe even close to 1,800.
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
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Originally posted by AmsterdamNL:
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
Check out this thread. A few of us, myself included, are building out cellars now.

You can build a cellar under $10k, easily. If you have a decent space (even just a 5x8) you can easily fit 1,000 bottles.

Some pros to a cellar are less refrigerator units running, aesthetics, better organization / access, once you get up to 800+ bottles they're most cost-effective.

Some pros to the EC are some redundancy (if one unit fails, you still have the other units running and keeping wine cool), if you move, they move.

I considered doing a wall of matching EuroCave instead of my walk-in. However, I have close to 1,000 bottles right now, so I would need 6 units for this to start making sense. At that point, I'm up to $12K and still don't have the capacity or aesthetic appeal, and it's probably much more expensive to run those 6 compressors than the 1 larger one.


Yep. I think the math makes sense. I'm going to price out the cellar construction maybe, because the collection is getting bigger and more expensive (though I can't even touch some of the prized collections of some serious wine experts on this forum, but hoping to get there one day).

Thanks much y'all. If I do get the EC, it'll be a lovely add to the house, and the "if you move it moves" argument is a winning one.


Read the thread I linked to.

If you use a "wine cellar company" it will be expensive. If you hire a normal GC and just provide some very strict guidance, you'll save a lot of money.

Wine Cellar companies are great, but they really charge a premium for their knowledge. The thread I linked to goes really in-depth regarding what you need. If you just tell the GC "do the following, exactly as I say to" you'll save a ton of money.

Once you get close to the 700 bottle mark, if you have the space, a very utilitarian cellar will run you far less than a bunch of separate units, especially when it comes to monthly power costs. My cellar is going to have some decent aesthetic appeal, but it'll be primarily functional, and I'm coming in under $8K. Conservatively, I'll be able to store 1,200 bottles. If I really "go for it" I can get over 1,500 and maybe even close to 1,800.


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