Which wine do you know the best?

PH posted in the vertical thread that he has a 1992-2009 vert of Podere Poggio Scalette Il Carbonaione. I’m assuming he has enjoyed a fairly large amount of this wine to have such a collection so I’m guessing he really really knows this wine. What wine do you really know based on a long history of vintages?

For me it’s probably Lopez de Heredia Rioja Gran Reserva Tondonia. I have enjoyed multiple bottles of probably 10 or so vintages going back to the amazing 1954 and now have a feel for what this wine should taste like in a good vintage. What I like about really knowing a certain wine is enjoying those familiar tastes and smells of the wines style, yet being surprised and interested by the differences the vintage makes.

Which wine do you know best?
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Very very generally speaking: i know white wine a lot better than red wine, due to
more specifically: everything local, Luxemburgs Mosel region that is. The reason is very simple, my first experience (say the first 10 years) was 90% local stuff. Throw in 10% little red Graves wines (Ch. Landiras, Ch. d'Ardennes) that my father likes so much, kind of the familys house red.
Next would be German Mosel, which was the first wine region i specifically visited for my wine hobby, starting with visiting Selbach-Oster in Zeltingen, as a student. So i know Selbachs wines from vintage 1991.
Also from student times, i took interest in white Graves.
Those are by far the wines i know best and maybe for that reason they are still among my favourites.
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Originally posted by Merengue:
So how well do you know them though?
A) good enough to pick the producer out of a blind line up with peers of the same appelation? Or
B) good enough to taste blind and guess even the vintage correctly?


This is a question many pros would have some difficulty with, Meringue. I guess I'm probably most familiar with the wine that I have the longest vertical of, as listed above. That said, I've only opened 2 of them total all year. I've only had the 1992 twice, and those quite a few years back. The 1993 as well, the last of which I opened back in....1997???

The combination of not having tasted several of these wines for many years makes for a tough challenge of recent lack of familiarity with many of the vintages AND changes in the wines since last tasted.

If tasted blind with other sangiovese from the same vintage, I'd like my chances of spotting it.

PH
My biggest vertical is Domaine du Pegau Cuvee Reservee, so that is close to the top in familiarity, although there are some vintages in my cellar that I haven't opened.

I'm probably most familiar with the #2 Cab from Shafer, which has gone through various name changes, and is currently known as "One Point Five". I've tasted pretty much every vintage back to '89, many of them multiple times and at multiple ages.

Overall, I think it's easier to become familiar with some of the New World wines, especially from Australia and California, as they tend to be less influenced by vintage, so there is less year-to-year variability. By the same token, it is maybe a little easier to become bored with them, too.

Fusionstorm--Champagne DEFINITELY counts!
Interesting question "know the best". As Merengue points out, that can mean several things.

For me, it's knowing the wine young and also knowing how it ages and being able to identify it because you have an intimacy with it, in the same way you'd be able to identify a piece of music you've heard many times. Some people say that's a "parlor trick" but I think that comment is ridiculous - if you know something, you know it.

Then again, some wines are pretty distinctive and tasting them once can leave an indelible impression.

I guess for me it would be Tondonia, CVNE Vina Real and Pesquera.
That is a great question.

Thanks for thinking of it!

I am pretty complete on Dunn cabs, and taste them regularly; so, that would perhaps be my 'most understood wine.'

Back before the inflation killed my ability to keep up, I was a Latour freak, and I feel I have a good handle on the pre-crazy vintages.

Also, I was born in 1959, so have tried to be systematic hunting out wines from that vintage.

So, slightly different answers depending on the time frame, vertical vs. horizontal, budget, etc.

Thanks again for the question, the answers have been interesting.
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Also, I was born in 1959, so have tried to be systematic hunting out wines from that vintage.

A fabulous vintage indeed, and shared by the infamous Longboarder and KSCO2. We were fortunate enough to have a '59 tasting at Kiki's in Chicage 3 years ago. These wines (left bank Bordeaux) are definitely worth seeking out, but the current pricing is quite prohibitive. Enjoy the hunt and the kill.
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Originally posted by DoktaP:
A fabulous vintage indeed, and shared by the infamous Longboarder and KSCO2. We were fortunate enough to have a '59 tasting at Kiki's in Chicage 3 years ago. These wines (left bank Bordeaux) are definitely worth seeking out, but the current pricing is quite prohibitive. Enjoy the hunt and the kill.

Cool Great memories
I will say that even with north of 200 bottles of fonseca and quite a regular amount of drinking

the sheer amount of bottle variation in port means that it would be very difficult to pick out a fonseca blind.

if however you gave me single blind with multiple houses across say 8 different houses, and one of them was a fonseca 1970 or 1985, I'd be I could pick fonseca out blind.

i've also had fonseca / taylor tastings of same vintages side by side where out of 8 bottles, I favored the fonseca 6 times out of 8.
A wine that I know the best, simply because I drink it more than anything else is the Napa bottling from Heitz. However, the vast majority of these are '05 & '06, since they're readily available.

As for my experience through different vintages...

- Dunn "Howell Mountain"
- Heitz "Martha's Vineyard"
- Montrose
- Cos d'Estournel
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Originally posted by kid lightning:
BV GdLT.
I have quite a bit of it, going back to '47.
This was the "house wine" of my high school girlfriend's dad; the first decent wine I ever had.
Unless you count Boones Farm Tickle Pink.

If that includes the '58, then you're my new best friend. Smile Best wine I've ever had, and amazingly fresh!
So Stef and I are walking through the vineyard at Chaine d'Or in Spetember and she says: "Is that Pinot?", in a row of the Chardonnay. I go, "that's weird I've never seen that plant before."

I've been working there since 2005 and taking care of the vineyard since 2008. Including walking every freaking row with a back pack sprayer on my back.

So, we send Jerry Anderson a note. Jerry planted the vineyard in 1987 and we ask "Jerry did you know there's a Pinot plant down in the Chardonnay?"

He replies "Really? I've never seen it."

You never really know a wine. You're always learning.
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
So Stef and I are walking through the vineyard at Chaine d'Or in Spetember and she says: "Is that Pinot?", in a row of the Chardonnay. I go, "that's weird I've never seen that plant before."

I've been working there since 2005 and taking care of the vineyard since 2008. Including walking every freaking row with a back pack sprayer on my back.

So, we send Jerry Anderson a note. Jerry planted the vineyard in 1987 and we ask "Jerry did you know there's a Pinot plant down in the Chardonnay?"

He replies "Really? I've never seen it."

You never really know a wine. You're always learning.


sounds like stefania's getting ready to come out wiht some sparklers!!!!
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Originally posted by SD-Wineaux:
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Originally posted by kid lightning:
BV GdLT.
I have quite a bit of it, going back to '47.
This was the "house wine" of my high school girlfriend's dad; the first decent wine I ever had.
Unless you count Boones Farm Tickle Pink.

If that includes the '58, then you're my new best friend. Smile Best wine I've ever had, and amazingly fresh!


I've never had the '58 but would love to try it. I've still got some '47 and '49 left, along with some '68, '70, '74, '78 and lots of '80s-'05.
I do have some '58 Inglenook thoughWink
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
So Stef and I are walking through the vineyard at Chaine d'Or in Spetember and she says: "Is that Pinot?", in a row of the Chardonnay. I go, "that's weird I've never seen that plant before."

I've been working there since 2005 and taking care of the vineyard since 2008. Including walking every freaking row with a back pack sprayer on my back.

So, we send Jerry Anderson a note. Jerry planted the vineyard in 1987 and we ask "Jerry did you know there's a Pinot plant down in the Chardonnay?"

He replies "Really? I've never seen it."

You never really know a wine. You're always learning.


Somatic mutation?
More likely nursery screw up. It's in part of the vineyard that's never been netted before. Our guess is that because it was going through verasion so early, not netted, and bright red, it was getting eaten every year before any humans saw that it was a red grape and not a white grape.

Probably what we've been asking for the last 25 years is "why did the birds eat that plant first". Given though that birds attack a vineyard plant by plant it just probably never seemed unusual that one plant had been cleaned out when the ones around it had not.

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