when/how did you find wine?

I am only 21 years old. Over the last 2 years I have developed a love for wine incomparable to anyone I know. I have spent somewhere between 25 to 35 thousand onwine years. I have caught a bug where theople in this forum are some of the only people who I can seemingly relate to on the subject. I truly appreciate the lack of bias propaganda in these forum pages that I sometimes fear is evident in some major wine publicactions. I don't believe anyone here is getting paid for their opinions on wine. I really never knew wines existed under $20 a bottle that couldbring me as much pleasure as some of thewines did in the thread on every day drinking wines. You people are teaching me a good deal about wine quality and pricing. I suppose I don't have any real question in mind but I would like some feedback. Is it strange to be so young and to be willing to spend your last dollar on a good bottle of wine? Sometimes I think I'd like to go to UC Davis and become involved with wine that way. More often that sounds too echnical and it seems as though I should make my money somehow ese and perhaps buy a vineyard, a winery, or just cellar lots of wine. My parents don't enjoy fine wine so they wont sponser me. When & how did you become so involved with wine. Is it on your mind constantly as it is mine? It makes me feel better that there are people who enjoy wine as much as me. Thank you for your time. -Shane in Seattle
(sorry about my typing errors my space bar is erasing instead of spacing.)
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Shanew1: First, please clarify--you are 21 years old and have spent $25K-$30K on wine for the previous two years? If so, where and how do you cellar it?

You might go to UC Davis, or buy a vinyard? Your parents will not sponser you, but you are considering whether to buy a vinyard?

Again, please clarify?
latour and doc-i know us all farts don't understand this younger generation lingo, so i have forwarded this posting to my 23 year old daughter in tucson, arizona. hopefully, when she wakes up, sometime in the middle of the afternoon(evening east coast), she'll translate it so we may better understand what an online year is.

back in the late 60's and early 70's, when i was dealing with cosmic years, i was first introduced to wine. september 1970
, alfred,ny. boones farm apple wine(cannot seem to remember the vintage).

my second phase came in september 1974 and i have my father to thank for that, plus all of his old bordeaux.
I got into wine when I started a technical sales job in 95 and was starting to do quite a bit of entertaining. That was when I was 25 and I thought that I was pretty young compared to a lot of the "wine crowds" that I ran across... It was great while it lasted - all of my customers knew that I would take them to the best restaurants for food and wine and also go to the best wine tastings. My going away party for them was a 7 course wine meal at my favorite restaurant - those were the days (of not paying for anything)!!

Now my "itch" is supported by my own funds and my husband is a saver... frown
Sorry about the spelling errors. My lack of spelling knowledge doesn't mean I appreciate wine any less. 25 to 35 thousand are more than likely shy figures compared to what I actually probably drink. I dine out a lot, (Charlie Trotters, French Laundry, Chez Panisse etc...), where the bills always exceed $1000. I drink all of the wine I buy except for a couple cases of assorted Leonetti. I think some people here would rather correct grammer mistakes than talk about wine.
You are saying you spent (past tense) 25-35 thousand US dollars on wine in the last 2 years, and you are a student? So let me get this straight, you have spent what many make in a year on wine, and you attend school somewhere? Also you are saying $25-35k is a shy figure to what you actually drink. You mention bottles under $20 now bring you such pleasure, and you drink all this. So 25-35k on $20 wines is max 1750 bottles you have consumed in two years (and that is a shy figure) that is 2.3 bottles 7 days a week for two years. I get the jist of your topic about passion for wine, but not the facts.

Maybe it's me, but I am not following you.
I have only recently began buying 20 dollar bottles. The majority of the wines I drink are Burgundy white wines and California Cabs. I never thought I would like 20 dollar wines until I tried some reccomended in these forum pages a few weeks ago. I am a student & I co-own a store in Olympia Washington that sells locally made arts.
And he is a jet setter. He lives in Seattle but goes to the French Laundry, but also to Charlie Trotters? Hey what about some east coast fare (or did you just forget to mention it?)? Like Inn at Little Washington?

I'm sorry, but call me a doubting Thomas.
OK. How was the '79 RD? My guess is that it was golden in color, the mousse may have started to fade to tiny, sparser bubbles, and the toasty flavor predominated any fruit that might remain. Why the British seem to prefer their Champagne like this is beyond my understanding.
Shanenw1: In the spirit of your question:

I was once your age, going to school & working in a small hotel when a rather scruffy, unkempt, young Frenchman registered. He was touring the USA on a small budget; fashionable in the 60's. He told me he was an oenologist! I had never heard that word before, so we talked daily about his craft. 3/4 years later(1968), I went to Sonoma and toured, was given a bottle of 1935 Simi by the owner, I guess she liked my youth and interest. (That bottle is still in my cellar). For the next 15 years I didn't spend very much on wine, and that really hurts when you realize what I missed! But by the mid 80's I got the Bordeaux bug, and that was it.

Please answer the following questions:

1. Do you have a wine cellar?
2. How many bottles do you have now?
3. How many bottles did you drink last year?
4. How much was spent on wine last year?
5. What wine do you collect?

Finally, it's not the spelling errors, it's not the typing errors, and it's not the grammer----it's the content that makes everyone skeptical. Think about what you said--"should I go to UC Davis", or,"buy a vinyard or a winery"??? Prices for vinyards start in the 8 figures and you're 21 years old! Help me here Shane, and give a more detail explanation. Then you'll get the best advice all can give.
shane-is that real money you use or monopoly money? i guess if you pass go often enough you can accumulate a lot of money.

doc and latour-my daughter has explained to me what an online year is. i didn't totally understand here, but i'll try to make it as simple as possible. you know when you're trying to post and it seems like it's taking for ever(sometimes double and triple posts). that's an online year.
Last September, I looked at property in Napa for kicks. $300,000 an acre if you want rights to plant vines. $500,000 if you want rights to build a house on it. To construct a simple 2 bedroom house from scratch, add another $500,000 minimum---without architect etc fees.

Without a trust fund, or loot from the lotto, I'll stay and enjoy the simple pleasures here in ol' Virginnee Beach.

Board-O, while I have had wonderful meals at some, I have rarely found the most touted restaurants worth the money once the bill comes in. Latest example is Galileo's in DC; expensive-great food, phone book sized wine list, but with 3-4x retail markup. $600.00 for private dining in the laboratorio. I'd rather find the hidden value gems few tourists or only the locals know.

Remember to have both dollars and sense

I store my bottles at Esquin, a wine storage facility in Seattle. The list of wine I still have is a good representation of the quality of wine I drink but not quantity. I easily drink 10 bottles for every one I put away. Lucky for me the storage facility closes early. I have a case of Leonetti merlot'99. 1 case of Leonetti Cab '98. Various bottles of California cabernets, (Insignia '97 & '98, Mondavi Reserve '85 & To Kalon '97, George De Latour '97, Shafer Hillside '97, Diamond Creek Red Rock '97, & a dozen more of the like quality. Oregon & Cslifornia Pinot Noirs, (Archery Summit '97, '98, & '99, King Estate Reserve '94 & Domaine '98, various Rochioli's & Gary Farrels, adding to a case. I have a few bottles of Champagne, (Clos des goisses '90, Salon '85, '88 & '90 & amulti vintage of Krug). That sums up my collection. Most of the California and Oregon wines I purchased at the wineries. The people at the wineries always really like my girlfriend my daughter and I. We usually stay for hours and meet the head wine makers because they like that we are so young and enthused about wine. I spent a lot of money on wine last year, most of it for immediate consumption at restaurants or home. I easily spent 70 to 100 dollars a day on average last year. I've toned down considerably over the last couple months. My neighbor just got back from the Williamette Valley with 6 pounds of white truffles. We have been feasting for a month as he goes down every few days. As far as purchasing a vineyard goes I'm not talking about Napa, not all American wine comes from there, but perhaps Columbia Valley Washington or the Umpqua Valley Oregon.
Shanenw1, we are all wondering how you could have come by so much money at such a young age for so much discretionary spending. We also wonder if you understand that a winerey costs many hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to purchase and a great deal to run. Sorry if we sound skeptical but if you are real and not a put on, you are certainly a rare bird. If I were you, I'd enjoy drinking wine now and wait to go into the winemaking business until after I got my education. If you are serious about winemaking, I'd get some first hand experience working summers at a winery doing all the "menial" jobs and learning the ropes. To be successful at anything, you've got to pay your dues. You don't learn by starting at the top. It's very hard work and there's a lot of risk.
Thank you for relating to me in a nice way. I do realise it would cost a few hundred thousand dollars for a nice Washington Vineyard but I would only have to pay 10 to 15% down, like on my house. There is risk involved but I feel that I could devot my life to wine even if doesn't make me much money.
I don't know if you are for real or just young. But, you asked when & how I became involved with wine and I responded. You asked other questions and requested feedback--so

1. Is it strange to be so young & willing to spend your last dollar on wine? Yes, it is very strange!

2. Is wine on my mind constantly? No, I have other interests. Anyone thinking of Wine constantly and spending $70-$100 daily is a candidate for Alcoholics Anonymous. Be very careful.

3. If you want to learn more about wine. Go to UC Davis. (stop buying wine daily or you'll flunk out)

4. After Graduation, get a job at a winery and learn the business.

5. Find an investment counsler and attorney from a credible firm before you ever try to buy a winery. (I think you need them now)

It is very difficult to believe or take you seriously, Shane, that's why you have elicited these type of responses.
Why is it so difficult to believe you? I do not know any other 21 year olds spending $70-$100 a day on wine, considering the purchase of a winery, and asking life defining questions over the internet. One of us is gullible, and I'm beginning to think it's me!
You are very fortunate to have access to so much money at such a young age.

Unlike buying a house, starting or buying a business has very different requirements. When you buy a house, the worst thing that a lender might face is repossession of your house which could be sold for enough money to pay off most or all of the money you owed them. Business loans are different. You must convince whoever will lend you the money that you have enough knowledge and experience and a sound business plan to become profitable within a reasonable period of time. You have to prove to them that their risk in lending you money is not so great that they would likely lose all of the money they put up. A good way to do this is to get a good college education in both oenology and business, learn the industry through hands on experience, and find partners who have the skills and experience to compliment your own. I know when you are young and ambitious you'd like to get started right away because you are enthiastic and impatient, but you'd be jumping the gun and running a high risk of failure if you dont'come up with a good game plan first. Take your time, learn as much as you can, and if you're still as excited and do what I said, four or five years from now there will be great opportunities in store for you. Best of luck.
I was priveledged to mentor many young people in several large corporations I worked for. A combination of a formal education, hands on experience, a little real knowledge of a particular business, together with the enthusiasm and energy of youth is a powerful force that will have all the ingredients for a successful lifetime carreer. Even if you should decide that this industry is not for you, the experience you gain from what you do in the next few years will be extremely valuable to you later on in anything else you try. Try to meet as many people in the industry as you can, especially the wine producers themselves. Talk to them, ask them for a tour of their facilities, ask them about their problems, their successes and even their failures, and sooner or later, you'll find some of them who will want to be your friend. Learn as much from them as you can. Even the worst failure is a lesson in what not to do. Try to put the theory of classroom learning together with experience of what goes on in the field. Don't be afraid to get your hands dirty. Winemaking like all farming is about the soil, This leads to real understanding and knowledge you can always count on. Five years, give it just five years.
is it possible that Shanewn1 is really one of Joneswine1's multiple personalities? I find it hard to believe that someone else could drive so many people crazy.

First, I'll answer his question because it's a reasonable question. I moved to the Bay area from Ohio to join my fiance who was attending Med School at Stanford when I was 24. I worked in the financial services so it was a good move professionally too. Anyway, until then, I had never touched wine outside of church... I was a beer guy.

Once here, we tried a box of White Zin. It was okay and we drank it over a couple of weeks... I was told by a co-worker who liked wine to start with the cheapest stuff and if I liked it, stay in that price range. It would be too easy to blow too much money chasing wines I wasn't ready for. (maybe this could have helped you a little bit).

Eventually we had a bad box of Franzia Chillable Red (is there a good one?) and moved to bottles under $10 and occasionally splurged on a $15 bottle. My in-laws to us to Napa and I was hooked on the whole culture. Now, I'm 30 and I'm somewhat of a wine snob although I'll drink a glass Woodbridge if that was what a friend was serving and wanted me to try.

My wife and I consider wine a great hobby and companion to food. I enjoy reading on the process of winemaking and information on the great wines of the world. We are far from knowing a fraction of what we'd like to learn. We purchase an occasional trophy but have a hard time coming up with an occasion to crack it open. For now, they gather dust in our cellar.

My problem is that I can't relate to the life that you are explaining. If you are spending almost all your money (you use the term "your last dollar") on overpriced wine in the most overpriced restaurants in the country, I think you have bad priorities. Now you're saying you have a child... that makes your priorities a real problem. Maybe your child should be on your mind instead of wine being "on your mind constantly".

At the core of the whole thing, I don't believe you. If you're telling the truth, I don't like you. You sound like a spoiled brat who enjoys thumbing his nose at the rest of us who try to balance a life where mortgages, car payments, work dedlines, and in my case a wife who is 8 months pregnant.

Also, you say going to UC Davis and learning enology is too technical. It sounds like you are plain lazy. A fool and his money were lucky enough to get together in the first place... never has a saying been more appropriate than here and now. I find it hard to believe that someone could be as shallow and artificial as you purport to be. However, I couldn't resist replying.
I don't feel that shallow and artificial are accurate words on describing me. I think drinking wine from a box is shallow and artificial. I left home when I was 14 and also moved to the Bay Area and became involved with the Grateful Dead community. Since then I have travelled all over Europe a few times and I frequent Central and South America in the winter. I have a house on Texada Island British Columbia where I stay in the summer. I am deeply rooted in my community.
Although winemaking is an "art", there are many technical aspects to it since the science of oenology serves a winemaker as a vital tool. So is running a business. Hard work and discipline have no substitutes. They are the keys to getting what you want. If winemaking is the life you choose for yourself, you will have to reconcile to this. If you want to become a "gentleman" winemaker and hire other people to do the work and run the business for you, you can still make a profit at it and be quite successful but it's like the difference between a car enthusiast being chauffered in a limo as opposed to driving the racecar himself.

The longer you wait to get a formal education, the harder it gets. Responsibilities of a family eat up precious time and energy needed for study. If you can't be a full time student, at least take some courses. There are outstanding self taught people in many professions (my father was one) but they are rare and the odds are against them.

If you are really what you say you are, don't let anyone deter you or discourage you. Follow your dream.
This one is a hot potatoe. I had to brew up another pot o coffee, just to read your responses to this kids line of bull. Sorry guy, but I ain't buying this line of crap that that you are feeding us. Mouton 8888 and a bunch of others, your soft side, your desire to teach and mentor, is laudable, but I think wasted on this one. Shallow, would be an understatement. Let's see...a few years in the "Greatful Dead Community", now 21, with a kid, and all that income to spend on wine? We have not read of any knowledge of the wines that this one claims to have consumed, tasting notes etc.. Anyone can drop names and dates, WHERE'S THE BEEF? I can read that some of you may to beleive this one, but no way.
On the other hand, I will not be judgemental and tell you how to run your life. Some of us older guys are not out of touch with reality, as you seem to be, but our life experiences are going to be wasted on this line of crap that you are feeding out into cyber-space. If, it walks like a duck, etc..
The only advice that I will give is... come down off the acid, or coke, and well, start a life.
Let's see now. I'd like to get into the art world. I'm only 21. I don't know anything about art. I don't want to go to art school because it's too technical. And I spend all of my disposalable cash on art. I think what I'll do instead is go to the next Sotheby's auction and buy 8 figures worth of Monets and Picassos. Anyone got any suggestions on how I should get started?
OK Shane. When put in these terms, doesn't this seem to be just a little over the top? One would either have to be a pathological liar, or a complete %&*$#%^* to come up with this. I'm not sure which makes me more sad. To know that you are making this up, or that you are truthful and sincere.
By the way, you say you left home 7 years ago to join the Grateful Dead crowd. Jerry Garcia died 7 years ago. Weren't you just a little behind the curve on that one? And you say your parents won's sponsor/support you. Go figure.

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