@winetarelli posted:No accounting for taste. 😎
True, that. I also like a number of older groups that no doubt you'd find equally objectionable (if not much more so). 
Plenty of excellent metal releases in the last year and a half - both by established and younger bands.
@sd-wineaux posted:True, that. I also like a number of older groups that no doubt you'd find equally objectionable (if not much more so).
Ok. I’ll bite. Such as…?
@winetarelli posted:Ok. I’ll bite. Such as…?
Not sure how much I need to embarrass myself with such a list, but here you go. And to make it worse I posted that during a trip for our 30th wedding anniversary while looking out toward Morro Bay. Totally romantic!
@sd-wineaux posted:Not sure how much I need to embarrass myself with such a list, but here you go. And to make it worse I posted that during a trip for our 30th wedding anniversary while looking out toward Morro Bay. Totally romantic!
WOW! 😱
Good for you, though. Listen to what you like…
@sd-wineaux posted:Not sure how much I need to embarrass myself with such a list, but here you go. And to make it worse I posted that during a trip for our 30th wedding anniversary while looking out toward Morro Bay. Totally romantic!
"Air Supply, All Out of Love." 
Rock isn't dead but the distribution channels that used to bring it to the masses are now gone or corrupted by corporate behavior. There is still lots of great rock music being made and many new bands with promise but you have to look for them.
I'll tell you one thing that killed it, the absurd Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It never made any sense and it only gets worse year after year. Here's one person that actually gets it: "Dolly Parton 'respectfully' withdraws from Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominations: 'I don't feel that I have earned that right'"
@The Old Man posted:I'll tell you one thing that killed it, the absurd Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It never made any sense and it only gets worse year after year. Here's one person that actually gets it: "Dolly Parton 'respectfully' withdraws from Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominations: 'I don't feel that I have earned that right'"
Do you really think that Rock is defined by the suits that decide who would be the biggest draw to the R&R Hall of Fame? Potential ticket sales define those selections. What does that have to do with the draw of Rock as a music genre? To record / CD / streaming sales?
@sd-wineaux posted:Do you really think that Rock is defined by the suits that decide who would be the biggest draw to the R&R Hall of Fame? Potential ticket sales define those selections. What does that have to do with the draw of Rock as a music genre? To record / CD / streaming sales?
I'm rethinking this. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame didn't help kill rock but was proof of its death. When it opened, in 1983, these were the top 20 songs:
1. Every Breath You Take - The Police2. Billie Jean - Michael Jackson
3. Flashdance...What A Feeling - Irene Cara
4. Down Under - Men At Work
5. Beat It - Michael Jackson
6. Total Eclipse of the Heart - Bonnie Tyler
7. Maneater - Daryl Hall and John Oates
8. Baby, Come to Me - Patti Austin and James Ingram
9. Maniac - Michael Sembello
10. Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) - The Eurythmics
11. Do You Really Want to Hurt Me - Culture Club
12. You and I - Eddie Rabbitt and Crystal Gayle
13. Come on Eileen - Dexy's Midnight Runners
14. Shame On the Moon - Bob Seger and The Silver Bullet Band
15. She Works Hard for the Money - Donna Summer
16. Never Gonna Let You Go - Sergio Mendes
17. Hungry Like the Wolf - Duran Duran
18. Let's Dance - David Bowie
19. Twilight Zone - Golden Earring
20. I Know There's Something Going On - FridaI
Next exactly a rock playlist. Rock, in its importance to the culture, had been fading since disco in the early 70s until the earl 80s and then the rise Rap and Hip Hop in the late 70s until today. Again, I can't seem to get across my point here which is that there are of course still bands playing rock but they are, if not fewer in number since the late 80s, they certainly don't have the selling power they once had. It seems obvious to me that Rap and Hip Hop, as horrible as they are, are the predominate form of music in our culture.
@The Old Man posted:I'm rethinking this. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame didn't help kill rock but was proof of its death. When it opened, in 1983, these were the top 20 songs:
1. Every Breath You Take - The Police2. Billie Jean - Michael Jackson
3. Flashdance...What A Feeling - Irene Cara
4. Down Under - Men At Work
5. Beat It - Michael Jackson
6. Total Eclipse of the Heart - Bonnie Tyler
7. Maneater - Daryl Hall and John Oates
8. Baby, Come to Me - Patti Austin and James Ingram
9. Maniac - Michael Sembello
10. Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) - The Eurythmics
11. Do You Really Want to Hurt Me - Culture Club
12. You and I - Eddie Rabbitt and Crystal Gayle
13. Come on Eileen - Dexy's Midnight Runners
14. Shame On the Moon - Bob Seger and The Silver Bullet Band
15. She Works Hard for the Money - Donna Summer
16. Never Gonna Let You Go - Sergio Mendes
17. Hungry Like the Wolf - Duran Duran
18. Let's Dance - David Bowie
19. Twilight Zone - Golden Earring
20. I Know There's Something Going On - FridaINext exactly a rock playlist. Rock, in its importance to the culture, had been fading since disco in the early 70s until the earl 80s and then the rise Rap and Hip Hop in the late 70s until today. Again, I can't seem to get across my point here which is that there are of course still bands playing rock but they are, if not fewer in number since the late 80s, they certainly don't have the selling power they once had. It seems obvious to me that Rap and Hip Hop, as horrible as they are, are the predominate form of music in our culture.
'Rap and Hip Hop, as horrible as they are' says Old Man yelling at Cloud.
I agree that the genre of Rock has been on steady decline, though I would say that it was the early '90s with Guns n' Roses, Metallica, and the Grunge movement that was the last era of greatness for Rock (in the traditional sense).
@patespo1 posted:'Rap and Hip Hop, as horrible as they are' says Old Man yelling at Cloud.
It's an interesting thing about my screen name. I've been using it for around 30 years--before most people (except the very young)--think as someone as old. It was a tribute to Jean Shepherd who, way before A Christmas Story, always referred to his father that way in his stories. Having used it all these years confirms something you do notice--that the last acceptable "ism" is ageism. This is actually a serious and sad thing.
For what it's worth, even when I was a younger man, I thought Rap and Hip Hop were pretty much an abomination. Most people I know (not that this matters) also think that. I know a number of people here don't enjoy it and you almost never see ANY of it listed in the "What are you listening to....... right now..........." thread (the misuse of those ellipses always bugs me.) In fact with around 4,000 responses in that thread you'd be hard put to find more than a couple of dozen (if that many) that includes anything of those genres.
@The Old Man posted:It's an interesting thing about my screen name. I've been using it for around 30 years--before most people (except the very young)--think as someone as old. It was a tribute to Jean Shepherd who, way before A Christmas Story, always referred to his father that way in his stories. Having used it all these years confirms something you do notice--that the last acceptable "ism" is ageism. This is actually a serious and sad thing.
For what it's worth, even when I was a younger man, I thought Rap and Hip Hop were pretty much an abomination. Most people I know (not that this matters) also think that. I know a number of people here don't enjoy it and you almost never see ANY of it listed in the "What are you listening to....... right now..........." thread (the misuse of those ellipses always bugs me.) In fact with around 4,000 responses in that thread you'd be hard put to find more than a couple of dozen (if that many) that includes anything of those genres.
It's funny, most of the people that I have offlined with from these Boards do appreciate Rap and Hip Hop, maybe we just tend to flock to those with similar tastes. My point was, art is subjective, and music would fall into that category. Maybe I misinterpreted when you said "Rap and Hip Hop, as horrible as they are" to be you stating a fact, rather than an opinion. If that is the case, mea culpa.
Old Man yelling at Cloud is a common meme used today, much like calling someone that complains Karen. It was said humorously, not offensively. If you took it that way, my apologies for that one as well.
@patespo1 posted:It's funny, most of the people that I have offlined with from these Boards do appreciate Rap and Hip Hop, maybe we just tend to flock to those with similar tastes. My point was, art is subjective, and music would fall into that category. Maybe I misinterpreted when you said "Rap and Hip Hop, as horrible as they are" to be you stating a fact, rather than an opinion. If that is the case, mea culpa.
Old Man yelling at Cloud is a common meme used today, much like calling someone that complains Karen. It was said humorously, not offensively. If you took it that way, my apologies for that one as well.
I used to have have a signature line here that pointed out that my comments are not pronouncements from God but are my own opinion. What else could they be? I would think it's self-apparent.
As for being old as I said I've used this name for at least 30 years and find that people will quite often reply to me as an old person, even when I wasn't, in some derogatory terms. It opened up my eyes, even as a younger man, that ageism really is the only ism that many people still feel free to engage in. I am not looking for an apology, just trying to make people aware of this fact which I stumbled upon many years ago.
Thank you.
@patespo1 posted:'Rap and Hip Hop, as horrible as they are' says Old Man yelling at Cloud.
I agree that the genre of Rock has been on steady decline, though I would say that it was the early '90s with Guns n' Roses, Metallica, and the Grunge movement that was the last era of greatness for Rock (in the traditional sense).
As I had pointed out, 1991 was rock’s last banner year.
Ten
Nevermind
Blood Sugar Sex Magik
Badmotorfinger
Metallica
Use Your Illusion I and II
Into The Great Wide Open
Achtung Baby
Out Of Time
all came out that year. Irrespective of one’s preference in rock styles, that’s a good year for rock albums. It didn’t immediately die after that, but slowly withered and receded.
@winetarelli posted:As I had pointed out, 1991 was rock’s last banner year.
TenNevermind
Blood Sugar Sex Magik
Badmotorfinger
Metallica
Use Your Illusion I and II
Into The Great Wide Open
Achtung Baby
Out Of Time
all came out that year. Irrespective of one’s preference in rock styles, that’s a good year for rock albums. It didn’t immediately die after that, but slowly withered and receded.
Hard to argue with that list of albums in a single calendar year. I owned every one except Nevermind.
As a metal guy to my core, I have to say that there have been a crapload of excellent releases on recent years that are keeping me happy. Interestingly my tastes are getting heavier/more extreme as I’m getting older. Gojira and Jinjer have been eye-opening recent discoveries for me, and I’ve gone all in on Lamb of God. Saw the latter two live in recent months.
Rock sales are certainly dead, but I blame that on a generation (or two) of entitled fucks that don’t believe in proper artist compensation.