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Didn't Cy Young win 514 games? I put that record as absolutely untouchable.
Your answer may be better than the one I was thinking of. I was going to say Johnny Vander Meer's consecutive no-hitters, because in order to break it, a pitcher would have to get three in a row.
How about the Cubs' pathetic amount of time between championships?
I don't expect Joe D's record of hits in consecutive games to be broken. Many have made the run, but no has gotten there. Today, many of the major leaguers don't even play 56 straight games without taking a break! 
quote:Originally posted by billhike:
How about the Cubs' pathetic amount of time between championships?
Boo hoo! You Chicagoans and your whining about the poor Cubs, sheesh. You guys had Jordan recently, plus the White Sox, and the Bears/Blackhawks have been excellent in certain years. I'm a San Diego sports fan which as far as I'm concerned, takes the cake for sports team futility. I think San Diego had an amateur league hockey team (Gulls?) that won some stuff once or twice, and some good over-the-line and rugby teams.
Cy Young had 511 wins, and that is pretty out of reach. Cal Ripken's streak of 2632 consecutive games played will be insurmountable (though I thought the same about Gehrig's streak). Rickey Henderson's record of getting caught stealing 335 times in his career will be tough to match.
A rather obscure record is held by Sam Crawford, whose first year was 1899. He had 309 career triples, and he had 17 years in a row with 10 or more triples. Triples are one of the most exciting events in baseball, in my view.
A rather obscure record is held by Sam Crawford, whose first year was 1899. He had 309 career triples, and he had 17 years in a row with 10 or more triples. Triples are one of the most exciting events in baseball, in my view.
I do not know exact numbers, but I would suspect that any record with complete games, complete game shutours or innings pitched is safe. We are now in the era of starters going six to seven innings with 100 to 110 pitch limits (Nolan Ryan and the Rangers may be the exception) with a specialized bullpen finishing.
My first mention was going to be Cy Young's career wins.
How about Old Hoss Radbourn's single season record of 59 wins in 1884? Heck, I'm even willing to bet that we won't see Denny McLain's modern record of 31 wins be broken.
I also don't know if Nolan Ryan's career record of 2795 walks will ever be broken. That's nearly 1,000 more than 2nd place Steve Carlton. In order to break that, a pitcher would have to have a 20 year career and average 140 walks per year. Just can't see someone like that sticking around that long in this day and age.
How about Old Hoss Radbourn's single season record of 59 wins in 1884? Heck, I'm even willing to bet that we won't see Denny McLain's modern record of 31 wins be broken.
I also don't know if Nolan Ryan's career record of 2795 walks will ever be broken. That's nearly 1,000 more than 2nd place Steve Carlton. In order to break that, a pitcher would have to have a 20 year career and average 140 walks per year. Just can't see someone like that sticking around that long in this day and age.
quote:Originally posted by flop:
I'm even willing to bet that we won't see Denny McLain's modern record of 31 wins be broken.
A knuckleballer could certainly do it. I remember Wilbur Wood leading the AL in wins and losses in the early 1970s. His record was something like 24-20. On a very good team, he could have had 35 wins.
Of the modern day records, Cal Ripken’s steak seems to be the most out of reach.
It’s hard to compare records from Cy Young and people of that era because the game is so different now.
It’s hard to compare records from Cy Young and people of that era because the game is so different now.
Is the Atlanta Braves 14 consecutive post-season appearances a record? Seems untouchable to me. I still consider them to be losers however. 
quote:Originally posted by indybob:quote:Originally posted by billhike:
How about the Cubs' pathetic amount of time between championships?
Boo hoo! You Chicagoans and your whining about the poor Cubs, sheesh. You guys had Jordan recently, plus the White Sox, and the Bears/Blackhawks have been excellent in certain years. I'm a San Diego sports fan which as far as I'm concerned, takes the cake for sports team futility. I think San Diego had an amateur league hockey team (Gulls?) that won some stuff once or twice, and some good over-the-line and rugby teams.
They aren't "my" Cubs, and I'm not whining about them. In fact, I love that their insanely loyal fan base is so hopeful every year. It makes it that much easier to poke fun at them!
Coming back to win it all after being down 3 games to none in the ALDS and down to the last strike. Nobody's ever going to do that again!
Also ran mention to the career wins. Pitching records will be the hardest to beat. It will be rare to even see another 300 game winner any time soon, never mind 500. Young also still holds the Major League records for most career innings pitched (7,355), most career games started (815), and most complete games (749). All probably untouchable.
Also ran mention to the career wins. Pitching records will be the hardest to beat. It will be rare to even see another 300 game winner any time soon, never mind 500. Young also still holds the Major League records for most career innings pitched (7,355), most career games started (815), and most complete games (749). All probably untouchable.
quote:Originally posted by WineDaddy:
Is the Atlanta Braves 14 consecutivepost-season appearancesdivision wins a record? Seems untouchable to me. I still consider them to be losers however.
Fixed that for ya.
To consider those Braves teams losers is just dumb.
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:quote:Originally posted by WineDaddy:
Is the Atlanta Braves 14 consecutivepost-season appearancesdivision wins a record? Seems untouchable to me. I still consider them to be losers however.
Fixed that for ya.
To consider those Braves teams losers is just dumb.
Hey I was cheering for them except when they played the Jays.
You don't consider Jim Kelly's Bills winners too do you?
Difference is the Braves did win a title and no, I dont consider the Bills losers. They went to the Super bowl 4 straight times. Thats a hell of an accomplishment.
Yes it was a hell of an accomplishment. The 18-0 run by the Patriots was a hell of an accomplishment also but I GUARANTEE you they don't think of themselves as winners (at least that year).
But they sure as $hit werent losers either
Back to the subject...
I'd say Young's win total is the least likely career record to be broken.
As for shorter term feats, I'd even say that breaking Fernando Tatis's record of two grand slams in a single inning is even more theoretically impossible than three consecutive no hitters.
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I'd say Young's win total is the least likely career record to be broken.
As for shorter term feats, I'd even say that breaking Fernando Tatis's record of two grand slams in a single inning is even more theoretically impossible than three consecutive no hitters.
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Sam Crawfords 309 career triples is least likely to be broken imho. Runners are more likely held up at 2nd then getting the go ahead for 3rd and parks are getting smaller and smaller. The top 10 active players for career triples have no chance based on amount of triples scored and their pace of scoring those triples.
Team or individual? Post 1930ish or way back when?
Modern team record - it seems unlikely any team will lose 120 games in a season, but maybe that could happen; any team likely to win 25 world series titles, I guess eventually over time, but maybe not.
It's hard to imagine a pitcher winning 30 games in a season again. Going into the wayback machine Old Hoss Radbourn won 59 for the Providence Grays in '84. Maybe that's why we should have an arbitrary cutoff around 1930ish for individual records.
Modern team record - it seems unlikely any team will lose 120 games in a season, but maybe that could happen; any team likely to win 25 world series titles, I guess eventually over time, but maybe not.
It's hard to imagine a pitcher winning 30 games in a season again. Going into the wayback machine Old Hoss Radbourn won 59 for the Providence Grays in '84. Maybe that's why we should have an arbitrary cutoff around 1930ish for individual records.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Icewino:
Coming back to win it all after being down 3 games to none in the ALDS and down to the last strike. Nobody's ever going to do that again!
You had to bring that up.
Coming back to win it all after being down 3 games to none in the ALDS and down to the last strike. Nobody's ever going to do that again!
You had to bring that up.
How about Ichiro's consectutive season's of 200+
hits?
hits?
quote:Originally posted by Board-O:
Your answer may be better than the one I was thinking of. I was going to say Johnny Vander Meer's consecutive no-hitters, because in order to break it, a pitcher would have to get three in a row.
Agreed 100%
the 'old world' records have countless records that will never, yes never be broken. Board-O points out an obvious one, 3 consecutive no hitters. I'd offer another one, record number of complete games in a career or season. Career number is 749 by Cy Young. Most in a season is 75 by Will White in 1879.
I agree with others that the old world game is just different than todays and these records are not applicable. As far as records set in the modern era, Cal Ripkens is the end all be all, imo. It was set in the modern era and is still the best ever and it will never be approached.
I agree with others that the old world game is just different than todays and these records are not applicable. As far as records set in the modern era, Cal Ripkens is the end all be all, imo. It was set in the modern era and is still the best ever and it will never be approached.
I’m not a big supporter of Ripken’s record. I mean, there were many games he’d play injured through five innings (just long enough to be considered a game) and then come out, all in the name of the streak. Any time a streak can be “manipulated” like that, it loses its lustre in my opinion. The purest streak according to me would be Oral Hershiser’s scoreless innings streak. In no way did his streak ever take precedence over the best interest of the team. Even a player in pursuit Joe DiMaggio’s record could be up at the plate in the ninth, hitless and swinging at pitches outside the strike zone. Roy Halladay (because of his level of fitness), CC Sabathia (because of his age) and Jamie Moyer (because he’s so damn close!) all have a shot at 300 wins.