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A azwineryanMember
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
They don't own them because they make wonderful pets.


Perfectly stated! That sentence tells you the truth about pit bull owners better than anything else that was said. I wish I had said it.


Frankly, coming back here and reading all of the crap that you and GA have posted has really given me some insight on how narrow minded some people are about pit bulls. Have either of you even interacted with a properly raised pit from birth? I've had several dogs in my life, as has my family and friends. Frankly, Leo, the pit I have now is the most loving animal I've ever owned. We rescued him at 6 weeks old when he was abandoned with his brothers and sisters in a cardboard box. We were the first people to give him solid food, and he has slept in our bed every night since we first got him. We've raised him with tons of love, spoiled him to death, and given him a terrific life. He's a sweetheart...we have large gatherings at our house regularly, and every one loves him.

You mention children. Our neighbors across the street have a boy and a girl, both under the age of 3. We bring Leo over there all the time to play with the kids while we hang out with their parents. The kids absolutely love him. Leo hangs out with other dogs and cats often, he has never shown aggression towards any living thing...it's always the opposite, he absolutely loves every person and every animal he interacts with. Hell, my mom has a 12 year old cockatiel that often comes out of his cage and wanders around on the floor of her house. Leo will go up to him, give him a sniff type hello, and then wander off - our Pit won't even bother a little bird for crying out loud.

I'm not gonna say there aren't horrible things that some Pit Bulls have done, but that doesn't condemn the entire breed. You raise a dog from birth to be violent and aggressive, that's what's gonna happen...whether it's a Pit or a Poodle. It's just that Pit's are the pound for pound strongest dogs out there, and when owners raise them badly, they can be a lot more lethal than other breeds. And unfortunately, a lot of classless people own Pits and raise them that way. When raised right, they can be just as loving as any other breed, and I know that very personally. Frankly, I'm not going to get into it anymore from here with you two, as you both obviously don't know sh*t when it comes to Pit's as an entire breed in general.
foxfoxMember
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Originally posted by AZwineRyan:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
They don't own them because they make wonderful pets.


Perfectly stated! That sentence tells you the truth about pit bull owners better than anything else that was said. I wish I had said it.


Frankly, coming back here and reading all of the crap that you and GA have posted has really given me some insight on how narrow minded some people are about pit bulls. Have either of you even interacted with a properly raised pit from birth? I've had several dogs in my life, as has my family and friends. Frankly, Leo, the pit I have now is the most loving animal I've ever owned. We rescued him at 6 weeks old when he was abandoned with his brothers and sisters in a cardboard box. We were the first people to give him solid food, and he has slept in our bed every night since we first got him. We've raised him with tons of love, spoiled him to death, and given him a terrific life. He's a sweetheart...we have large gatherings at our house regularly, and every one loves him.

You mention children. Our neighbors across the street have a boy and a girl, both under the age of 3. We bring Leo over there all the time to play with the kids while we hang out with their parents. The kids absolutely love him. Leo hangs out with other dogs and cats often, he has never shown aggression towards any living thing...it's always the opposite, he absolutely loves every person and every animal he interacts with. Hell, my mom has a 12 year old cockatiel that often comes out of his cage and wanders around on the floor of her house. Leo will go up to him, give him a sniff type hello, and then wander off - our Pit won't even bother a little bird for crying out loud.

I'm not gonna say there aren't horrible things that some Pit Bulls have done, but that doesn't condemn the entire breed. You raise a dog from birth to be violent and aggressive, that's what's gonna happen...whether it's a Pit or a Poodle. It's just that Pit's are the pound for pound strongest dogs out there, and when owners raise them badly, they can be a lot more lethal than other breeds. And unfortunately, a lot of classless people own Pits and raise them that way. When raised right, they can be just as loving as any other breed, and I know that very personally. Frankly, I'm not going to get into it anymore from here with you two, as you both obviously don't know sh*t when it comes to Pit's as an entire breed in general.


One of my best friends has one he raised from a pup with total love and affection. Seba was always totally loving with other animals and children. Then one night at another friends party she went crazy and attacked a six month old very friendly puppy. It was horrible to see the pit go straigt for the neck of the pup. The owner of the pit (6'4/240) quickly jumped into action and began puching the dog as hard as he could. It took several minutes before the pit let go. Thank god the puppy lived. Knowing that dog for a long time before this happened I had changed my mind about the breed. After it happened not so much. I now believe they can snap at any time.
G gigondassMember
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Originally posted by AZwineRyan:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
They don't own them because they make wonderful pets.


Perfectly stated! That sentence tells you the truth about pit bull owners better than anything else that was said. I wish I had said it.


Frankly, coming back here and reading all of the crap that you and GA have posted has really given me some insight on how narrow minded some people are about pit bulls. Have either of you even interacted with a properly raised pit from birth? I've had several dogs in my life, as has my family and friends. Frankly, Leo, the pit I have now is the most loving animal I've ever owned. We rescued him at 6 weeks old when he was abandoned with his brothers and sisters in a cardboard box. We were the first people to give him solid food, and he has slept in our bed every night since we first got him. We've raised him with tons of love, spoiled him to death, and given him a terrific life. He's a sweetheart...we have large gatherings at our house regularly, and every one loves him.

You mention children. Our neighbors across the street have a boy and a girl, both under the age of 3. We bring Leo over there all the time to play with the kids while we hang out with their parents. The kids absolutely love him. Leo hangs out with other dogs and cats often, he has never shown aggression towards any living thing...it's always the opposite, he absolutely loves every person and every animal he interacts with. Hell, my mom has a 12 year old cockatiel that often comes out of his cage and wanders around on the floor of her house. Leo will go up to him, give him a sniff type hello, and then wander off - our Pit won't even bother a little bird for crying out loud.

I'm not gonna say there aren't horrible things that some Pit Bulls have done, but that doesn't condemn the entire breed. You raise a dog from birth to be violent and aggressive, that's what's gonna happen...whether it's a Pit or a Poodle. It's just that Pit's are the pound for pound strongest dogs out there, and when owners raise them badly, they can be a lot more lethal than other breeds. And unfortunately, a lot of classless people own Pits and raise them that way. When raised right, they can be just as loving as any other breed, and I know that very personally. Frankly, I'm not going to get into it anymore from here with you two, as you both obviously don't know sh*t when it comes to Pit's as an entire breed in general.
I told you that I personally witnessed two different pit bulls attack people and animals.

The guy with the tire iron was me.

You better hope you're right. Too many others haven't been.
B bigfoot003Member
We have 2 dogs, both male:
1. KONA - Great Pyrenees, 125#. Typical Pyr, totally independent, loves everything except thunderstorms and fireworks. Lieks to hang out when it's -20F outside...

2. Ripley - Leonberger, 150#. Rescued him when he was 4 from a garage. If you let him near water, be prepared to go in after him to get him out! Amazing swimmers.

The FedEx guy hates delivering to our house. He's afraid of dogs... Big Grin
A azwineryanMember
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Originally posted by Board-O:
So you own a pit bull and bring it over to play with your neighbors' toddlers. You've told us all we need to know about you (and your neighbors).


Ofcourse, because every Pit Bull is going to maul little children right, Board-O? There's surely no loving and gentle Pit Bulls in existence huh, Board-O? In your all-knowing experience with thousands of Pit's over the years, you have justly come to the scientific conclusion that all Pit's are mindless killers that will at any instant attack animals, people and children for no given reason, right? You're such a ridiculous piece of work.

Board-O, you're a self-righteous f*cking moron. I'd love to tell you that personally the next time you're in AZ, or I'm in NY.
R redguyinabluestateMember
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Originally posted by Bigfoot003:
The FedEx guy hates delivering to our house. He's afraid of dogs... Big Grin


Our old Fed-ex driver would bring dog biscuits with every delivery. She would even leave one for Duke if there was nobody home. Basically trained him to go ape shit any time there was a delivery truck in the neighborhood. It can get awfully noisy around Christmas time.
board-oboard-oMember
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Originally posted by AZwineRyan:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
So you own a pit bull and bring it over to play with your neighbors' toddlers. You've told us all we need to know about you (and your neighbors).


Ofcourse, because every Pit Bull is going to maul little children right, Board-O?

Oversimplification is a tool of a tool. I never said every one would, but they have a far greater potential than any other breed.

There's surely no loving and gentle Pit Bulls in existence huh, Board-O?

Oversimplification is a tool of a tool. I'm sure there are some, but they have a greater potential for sudden lethal violence than any other breed.

In your all-knowing experience with thousands of Pit's over the years, you have justly come to the scientific conclusion that all Pit's are mindless killers that will at any instant attack animals, people and children for no given reason, right?

Oversimplification is a tool of a tool. Now you're manufacturing "facts."

You're such a ridiculous piece of work.

Oversimplification is a tool of a tool. If being ridiculous is realizing the danger inherent in the breed, I plead guilty. To deny it is stupidity.

Board-O, you're a self-righteous f*cking moron. I'd love to tell you that personally the next time you're in AZ, or I'm in NY.

Resorting to obscenity is a tool of a tool. You see the anger in your response? (We all do.) I'm guessing you're part pit bull. I know I wouldn't you or your viscious animal near my children. Why don't you resume bragging about your entry level Lexus? You got less upset about that.
indybobindybobMember
The problem is when people generalize, and apply a couple of personal anecdotes to an entire class of people/animals/things. Many of the world's problems have sprung from such thinking, as we all know. Fox's story about the puppy mauling pit bull is as relevant as AZwineRyan's histdory with his dog's.

The problem is that guys like GA and BO easily apply Fox's story to their own canine ethos, while completely discounting AZWineRyan's history with his dog as irrelevant. I hope I'm never that close minded a person. Somehow, I doubt I'll have to worry about that.
G gigondassMember
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Originally posted by indybob:
The problem is when people generalize, and apply a couple of personal anecdotes to an entire class of people/animals/things. Many of the world's problems have sprung from such thinking, as we all know. Fox's story about the puppy mauling pit bull is as relevant as AZwineRyan's histdory with his dog's.

The problem is that guys like GA and BO easily apply Fox's story to their own canine ethos, while completely discounting AZWineRyan's history with his dog as irrelevant. I hope I'm never that close minded a person. Somehow, I doubt I'll have to worry about that.
The problem with your premise, is that I've witnessed these type of dogs commit attacks twice. Any dog can be aggressive, it's true. I'm pretty sure I can stop any aggressive cocker spaniel.

When you hit a dog in the face 7-8 times with an iron bar, and it doesn't let go of the creature it's mauling, it tends to change your perspective. It's pretty scaring knowing that the animal mauling your neighbors dog seems impervious to pain, and frankly could turn on you and maul you in an instant. If I'd thought about it, I would have gone inside, gotten my .357 magnum and shot it. That's what I would do next time after going through that event.

Now if your dog decides to attack someone, or something, I'd prefer to have a fighting chance at stopping it. Even good dogs bite if they're accidentally injured. You know, stepped on. They, like all creatures have a fight or flight response. The potential for injury from a fight response from dogs bred to be efficient at killing and maiming is simply too great.

Frankly, I wouldn't recommend letting toddlers play with any large breed dog, pit bull or otherwise. The risks are just too great.

I guess I just have a policy of not living with an apex predator in my home, other than me.
A azwineryanMember
Board-O, my wife and I are very close with our dog, and care for him deeply (as many dog owner's do). I'm angry? Ofcourse, why wouldn't I be? The problem here is that you are generalizing an entire breed of dog, and while doing so, insulting my dog - who you know nothing about but what I've said about him in this thread. How would you feel if I for no good reason began to belittle and run down your children? I'm sure you'd be pretty dang angry too. Would I then try to belittle you for defending your children? I think not, I'd have no right. I realize that's comparing children to a pet dog, but I'm sure you can see my point.
indybobindybobMember
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
I guess I just have a policy of not living with an apex predator in my home, other than me.


That's fair enough. Even AZ knows that there is that there's a very tiny chance his dog will go nuts, same with any properly raised dog. Hell, some well-raised people go nuts.

My wife's dog (25# Spitz mix) has a rap sheet with a local police department for biting a kid running past the house about ten years ago. If it were a breed like a Presa Canario (like a pitbull on steroids), the little nip on the kid's heel would have been magnified many times.

Personally, I think it's great when someone like AZ chooses to give a dog a great life. Caring for animals is a very noble act, and I can't say I'd turn down a similar opportunity at some point in my life.

But, if some would say I'm a risk taker, so be it.
board-oboard-oMember
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Originally posted by AZwineRyan:
Board-O, my wife and I are very close with our dog, and care for him deeply (as many dog owner's do).

I don't doubt that.

I'm angry? Ofcourse, why wouldn't I be? The problem here is that you are generalizing an entire breed of dog, and while doing so, insulting my dog - who you know nothing about but what I've said about him in this thread.

Yes, I'm generalizing an entire breed of dog. I said they're more, dangerous, unpredictable, and lethal than other breeds. I'm sure you're dog seems wonderful. I'm also sure it has a far greater potential of a vicious attack than the aforementioned cocker spaniel, and said attack would be far more vicious.

How would you feel if I for no good reason began to belittle and run down your children? I'm sure you'd be pretty dang angry too.

No, I wouldn't. You're welcome to say anything about my family or me that you want. I don't get angry here. I do get amusement froim the attempts.

Would I then try to belittle you for defending your children?

I don't really care what you say. Haven't I made that abundantly clear by now? Why would I care about what a person who takes his pit bull to play with babies has to say?
B bigfoot003Member
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Originally posted by Red guy in a blue state:
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Originally posted by Bigfoot003:
The FedEx guy hates delivering to our house. He's afraid of dogs... Big Grin


Our old Fed-ex driver would bring dog biscuits with every delivery. She would even leave one for Duke if there was nobody home. Basically trained him to go ape shit any time there was a delivery truck in the neighborhood. It can get awfully noisy around Christmas time.


Nice Red Guy! Let's see if we can get this thread out of the verbal octagon it's become. Red Face

My neighborhood gas station, when I lived in Oregon, would keep dog treats for the dogs when we stopped there for gas. Just passing a gas station was cause for giant slobbers all over the back windows.
T tbirdMember
i got nuttin' then. Eek

except that i do recall as a kid, german shepherds were child eaters. then the doberman pinscher became son of satan for awhile. the pit bull now reigns king of evil. i fear for you future dachshund owners, be afraid. vewy vewy afwaid...

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
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Originally posted by TBird:
i can. those bible thumpers that ring my doorbell on a sunday morning, wanting to discuss my salvation. go get 'em, tiny! Cool
Ok. Two good reasons then. Cool
J jburman82Member
Fox's story illustates the point I was trying to make. Sometimes Pit Bulls, more than any other breed, just see red and attack. There is no amount of loving, secure upbring that can stop that. That is what they are breed for. Of course raising them to be $hitheads exacerbates the inherent qualities but loving them doesnt make those same qualities go away.

Here is another anecdote. My sisters room mate had a pit. My sister had a 14 yo toy poodle who was blind. One day the pit attacked my sisters poodle. Thank god my sister was home and was able to kick the pit off her dog.

These stop being anecdotes and start becoming trends when enough people have them.

If someone wants to own one thats a personal choice and this is America but I wouldnt let your dog around my kid.
G gigondassMember
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Originally posted by indybob:
Any Schipperke owners aboard? I've only met one, at a party about fifteen years ago, and it was the coolest little dog. Just loved that thing.
Yes. I dated a girl that had one. Meanest little shit on the planet. LOL.

It would bite off anyone's face that got near her. No Bob, not just mine.

I was never that worried, because I could punt it across the yard if needed. It was kind of annoying to have it snarl behind the door when I was walking to the john.

Good watch dog though.
board-oboard-oMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
Fox's story illustates the point I was trying to make. Sometimes Pit Bulls, more than any other breed, just see red and attack. There is no amount of loving, secure upbring that can stop that. That is what they are breed for. Of course raising them to be $hitheads exacerbates the inherent qualities but loving them doesnt make those same qualities go away.


I'm sure all rational people realize that. That's why rational people don't own pit bulls.
mneeley490mneeley490Member
Some good points brought up here re: pitbulls.
Now, I have had dogs and other animals all my life. Very fond of dogs, even though as a young paperboy, I was attacked twice on my route by a Great Dane & a Norwegian Elkhound. I don't think pitbulls were as popular at the time, circa 1973. (Another paperboy, who was a good friend of mine, almost literaly lost his nuts when he was attacked by a bull mastif. The dog's mouth was so big, the bite mark to his groin actually encircled his junk. Red Face Of course, things like this never made the news back then, and lawsuits were almost unheard of.)

But I think any responsible pit owner has to agree that even if all the anecdotal evidence is wrong; even if pits attack no more often than any other breed, the severity of the attacks are almost always much, much worse. That's why, overall, they're labeled as a dangerous breed.
Almost every breed was bred for a specific purpose. It's hard-wired into their DNA. It would be like trying to get a Pointer not to point, or a Retriever not to retrieve.
No matter how much you love your pit, no amount of "nurture over nature" is going to change that fighting instinct. They're always the greatest dog in the world, until that moment when instinct finally kicks in, and they just snap.

In this state: RCW 16.08.100 (3)
"The owner of any dog that aggressively attacks and causes severe injury or
death of any human, whether or not the dog has previously been declared potentially
dangerous or dangerous, shall, upon conviction, be guilty of a class C felony punishable
in accordance with RCW 9A.20.021."
RCW 9A.20.021 --"(c) For a class C felony, by confinement in a state correctional institution for five years, or by a fine in an amount fixed by the court of ten thousand dollars, or by both such confinement and fine."
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D differentdaveMember
i have a 3 acre dog park within 1/2 mile of my house. Between my wife and I we are there 5-7 days a week in nicer weather. Every single dog on dog fight I have ever witnessed first hand in th park has aways involved at least one of the more aggressive breeds (pit bull, papillon, rottweilers, cocker spaniels, etc). In the same fashion every human on human fight at dog park had at least one human owning one of the above mentioned breeds. I believe certain breeds are predisposed to violence, aggression, attacking, etc. Whenever you have to say "a properly trained pit" or a well behaved rottweiler" is a indicator to me that you are fully aware that the breed is aggressive/problematic. My therapy dog has been attacked twice in her life, both times by pit bulls, both times in dog park.
I agree that someone who spends the time, effort and money to properly train a pitbull reduces the pits chance of attacking. However take a lab, never train it and mistreat it and it still wont become aggressive. I question the owners of aggressive breeds as to their intentions.
indybobindybobMember
Here's a quote from a 2009 study that might be of interest in the ongoing vicious dog debate: In any event, there is no scientific evidence that one kind of a dog is more likely to bite or injure a human being than another kind of dog. Clicky. NCRC

If a dog bite happens, and it's described as a "pitbull," the chances of it being reported on in the media are magnified, even if the injuries sustained are equal. Sometimes pitbull stories are newsworthy. Locally, we had a pair of them get shot by state troopers recently, and IMO, it was worth reporting, as cops had to discharge their weapons.

Still, take equal dog attacks on the same day, one is from a husky, the other is from a Pitbull, guess which one leads on the nightly news? Heck, I work for the media, and believe that most (but not all) media are biased when it comes to over-reporting pitbull attacks and under-reporting non-pitbull dog attacks. Think all these news reports shape public opinion? You bet.

Great point TBird about the doberman and german shepherd thing. Those were gnarly, vicious dogs when I was a kid, never to be trusted, tear your face off kind of dogs. . .


Haven't heard anything bad about them in years. . .
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indybobindybobMember
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Anyone who thinks pit bulls are no more dangerous than a lab is a fool.


Able to deliver more damage than most other breeds, of course! A pit is a large, muscular dog, there's no debate about that. Intrinsically more likely to attack than many other breeds if raised in kind homes with owners who love their dogs and train them properly? Show me evidence to the contrary. Calling a good dog owner a fool for owning a properly trained pit bull is ridiculous, IMO. Again, show us evidence that properly trained and cared for pitbulls, raised from puppies, are more dangerous and likely to attack than other dog breeds. . .otherwise, take your anecdotes and biases somewhere else.

Also, wasn't it you who cast a shadow on the lab, pardon me, black lab:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
What species [sic] do they use as junkyard dogs? Black labs?
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