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I have two English Setters: an 11 year old male who sleeps most of the day--only getting up to eat, and a two year old female who is so fast we call her "the flash." She spends her time stalking and chasing deer out of the woods and likes to eat lizards and frogs. The boy is an orange belton and the girl is a blue belton.
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A 20 month old Pit Bull named Leonidas. We got him at 6 weeks old, so he's the biggest baby in the world...he definitely does not live up to the reputation of the Spartan warrior king I named him after lol. He more reminds me of Simba as a cub from the Lion King.

I gotta say, Pit's have such a ludicrist reputation. Yeah, Leo's literally a pure 75 pound piece of muscle, so you could see how he's a dog that you wouldn't want to tangle with. But the only way he would ever hurt any living thing would be by licking them/it too hard.
My soft-hearted daughter brought home a puppy about 1 1/2 years ago, that she took from some sketchy kids who had a few of them in a cardboard box. It was about 4-5 weeks old; we thought it was a golden lab at first. Then later the ears rotated toward the front, then popped straight up a week after that. A doggy DNA test revealed that she is Chow, Terrier, Saluki, and Sharpei.
She just looks like a yellow Dingo.
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
Clicky............. Roll Eyes


Nice anecdote. Roll Eyes

Here's another one, which doesn't prove anything either: Black Lab puppy kills baby


Of course it doesn't prove anything, but posting something that doesn't prove anything proves something. Sure occasionally, a black lab or any other species might turn violent, but the aggressive nature and unpredictability of pit bulls are facts. I question the intelligence of anyone who owns a pit bull (or a rotweiler). There are a myriad alternatives that don't carry the serious risk. What species do they use as junkyard dogs? Black labs? Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by indybob:
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
Clicky............. Roll Eyes


Nice anecdote. Roll Eyes

Here's another one, which doesn't prove anything either: Black Lab puppy kills baby
A specious argument at best. I've seen two pit bull attacks. One of them on a human being, on on a leashed dog.

When a pit bull does what any dog can do, show aggression and bite, the damages can be severe. In the case of the dog attack, the pit bull took multiple blows to the head with a tire iron and before it let go. Fortunately, the dog on human attack happened at a construction site and several workers with steel toed boots were able to defend the person with them.

By the way, the person was permanently scarred and the leashed spaniel died.

The reason people shouldn't own pit bulls is the same reason we don't give handguns to monkeys.
Ok you two, I have no disagreement with you two that pit bulls can be horribly vicious dogs. They're strong, they bite really f'ing hard, are sometimes raised by criminals for dog fighting, and they get loose on occasion. During the course of my job, I've been around the worst ones a number of times. They're terrifying. A local writer came up with this a few years ago, in a review of a Japanese restaurant: "their wasabi clears your sinuses faster than a pitbull clears a playground."

The reputation is there and, well, sometimes deserved (taking into account the multitude of fighting dogs).

All that said, no responsible parent leaves their dog unattended around any infant/small child.

But, I see no reasonable evidence that a properly raised, trained and cared for (this is key) pitbull isn't as great a dog as any other breed. Do you?
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Originally posted by indybob:
Ok you two, I have no disagreement with you two that pit bulls can be horribly vicious dogs. They're strong, they bite really f'ing hard, are sometimes raised by criminals for dog fighting, and they get loose on occasion. During the course of my job, I've been around the worst ones a number of times. They're terrifying. A local writer came up with this a few years ago, in a review of a Japanese restaurant: "their wasabi clears your sinuses faster than a pitbull clears a playground."

The reputation is there and, well, sometimes deserved (taking into account the multitude of fighting dogs).

All that said, no responsible parent leaves their dog unattended around any infant/small child.

But, I see no reasonable evidence that a properly raised, trained and cared for (this is key) pitbull isn't as great a dog as any other breed. Do you?
Yes. Unless you can watch the dog every moment of every day. That's impossible. There is no good reason to own a pit bull.

Owning an animal that has that much potential for damage is simply irresponsible. Check the stories on attacks. How many of them say, he was such a good dog and never did anything like this before? A lot of them.

Here's my compromise. You own a pit bull and it attacks another animal, one year in prison. You own a pit bull and it attacks a human, ten years in prison.

By the way, do you support people owning lions and tigers and keeping them as pets in your residential neighborhood?
@jburman, I'll defer to people on the boards who actually own the dogs and may want to defend their actions, and have more invested than I do. Hell, I've had cats my whole life, not dogs. Have a good afternoon, sincerely. Smile

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
By the way, do you support people owning lions and tigers and keeping them as pets in your residential neighborhood?


Of course not, why would I?
Yes. But your argument is identical to the misguided people that keep these dangerous animals as pets.

Unfortunately, too many pit bulls are not owned by responsible people.

I see a bunch of gang bangers that own them as extensions of their penis.

They don't own them because they make wonderful pets. The own them because they have a reputation (well deserved) for violence.
They own them because physiologically, they make amazingly efficient fighting dogs, then they get "trained" to be even more efficient. Having a vicious looking and acting dog is, as you put it, an extension of their junk. Agreed there.

But, if you have a bulletless gun, a hammer makes a better weapon. Put a bullet in, it becomes deadly in the wrong hands.

If you want to condemn an entire group of dogs based on what scum in our society choose to do with them, that's your right I guess.

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