Lease will be up in a little less than a year so I started some primary research for the next car last weekend and test drove the new Lexus GS and the Audi A6 3.0. The Lexus had nice punch when you hit it, but I didn’t love the overall feel and look of the car. Really liked the A6, but their residuals are so poor compared to MB, BMW and Lexus that it’s tough to justify the premium. The styling of Audi right now is second to none IMO though. Sweet looking cars.

Anyone else in the market these days?
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When you compare lease payments for Audi, MB and BMW, Audi is always the highest due to the residual value. It’s getting better, but they don’t have the track record of holding their value like MB and BMW. I’m much more of a MB guy vs. BMW and my 2012 C350 is very fun. Wink

Just like the look and feel of MB over BMW, but agree BMW’s are certainly fun to drive. Lexus I agree is not very sexy/fun.
You leasing again, or buying? I like the Audi for a lease, Lexus for a purchase (Audi maintenance is nasty, I literally just had to talk my way out of a $3k fix today by getting them to concede something was covered by extended warranty).
And/or a big 2nd on the CTS-V, damn sexy!
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Originally posted by GlennK:
When you compare lease payments for Audi, MB and BMW, Audi is always the highest due to the residual value. It’s getting better, but they don’t have the track record of holding their value like MB and BMW. I’m much more of a MB guy vs. BMW and my 2012 C350 is very fun. Wink

Just like the look and feel of MB over BMW, but agree BMW’s are certainly fun to drive. Lexus I agree is not very sexy/fun.

Wait. You have a '12 and your lease is up in less than a year? What, an 18 month lease? 24 months and you got it as it was rolling out? If you are going for a very short term lease I guess the MB might be a better deal. I don't know; I, and virtually all the people I know, buy cars to drive for a while, so those are the parameters I'm used to dealing with. I don't know much about short term lease deals.

While I've driven recent models of all the cars you're looking at, if you are a MB guy, maybe that is what you are... I agree the Audi styling, inside and out, is second to none on the (realistic) market. I also happen to love the Audi engines, though the automatic shifting on the BMWs is slightly cleaner, I think. (That may be a 4wd v Rwd thing, too.) Personally, I just haven't had fun driving MBs, but...
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Love the CTS-V. It's a world class automobile. As far as Porsche is concerned, if 2 seats will get the job done, the new Boxster is a smokin' little vehicle.

PH


I just do not see Glenn buying / leasing an old man car. Razz

I agree ( like all the critics) the new Boxster is a must to consider. Glenn only needs two seats!
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I have owned ( still do) 5 MB and 2 Audi's.

I will NEVER buy an Audi again, ever, but I do like their look currently a great deal.

Glenn, you need to buy a Porsche.


My friends with Audis complain about too many minor problems requiring trips to the dealer.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I just do not see Glenn buying / leasing an old man car. Razz


w+a, I'm assuming from your continued insistence that this is an "old man car" that you STILL haven't availed yourself of the oppportunity to drive this thing. If your local Cadillac connection is still in play, I HIGHLY recommend you get your Texan ass into one of these vehicles and play. It is not, by any stretch, a geezer-mobile.... Big Grin

PH
I was invited by Cadillac to drive the CTS-V on a racetrack in Monticello, NY, accompanied by a racing instructor. The CTS-V is a monster on the track and on the road. The combination of handling, power, and luxury is unmatched in anything I've ever driven, though I hear the new M5 is in that class.
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I just do not see Glenn buying / leasing an old man car. Razz


w+a, I'm assuming from your continued insistence that this is an "old man car" that you STILL haven't availed yourself of the oppportunity to drive this thing. If your local Cadillac connection is still in play, I HIGHLY recommend you get your Texan ass into one of these vehicles and play. It is not, by any stretch, a geezer-mobile.... Big Grin

PH


Oh, I had the car for a three day long weekend, I thought I told you, sorry.

Remember, a friend in my small wine group is some big corporate guy with Caddy. ( he is praying he does not have to move back to Detroit) A fine car for sure, but it is still a Caddy for old men, but now they may buy this car in lieu of a Vette. Wink I know my friend says this remains one of the hurdles they are trying to overcome, which is hard.

What is next, you want me to shop at Brooks Brothers? Razz Wink
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
It is not, by any stretch, a geezer-mobile.... Big Grin

PH


Their cars are much improved, but their demographics are still not what they want them (or need them) to be. They are having a very hard time getting the attention of younger buyers.
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Originally posted by marcb7:
I love my BMW...and Im more of a BMW guy than MB but I will admit the S class by MB is very sweet! I also like the look of Audi but driving wise I will take my BMW any day.


+1, but with a lot of bias.

I still believe that in most segments, BMW has the edge in terms of product. What's changed is that both Audi and MB have improved their products, so the gap is not what it used to be. In terms of driving feel and handling, it's still BMW. I've never understood the appeal of Lexus.

Audi definitely has some very nice designs. But I don't think they have an overall design advantage compared to other brands. All have their flaws on certain models - in Audi's case, I don't think much of Q7 design, nor do I like the A1 (current gen. not available in NA).
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Originally posted by shavez:


They are having a very hard time getting the attention of younger buyers.


No doubt. We hosted a baby shower this past weekend. I have never seen so many BMW, Audi, Lexus, MINI Coopers and Fiat's in one place in my life.

Not one American car. Eek
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
Wait. You have a '12 and your lease is up in less than a year? What, an 18 month lease? 24 months and you got it as it was rolling out?
24 month and I got it the week it came out. This is the first time I have had a car this quick and it’s been a blast, but I’m looking for something with a real back seat and space for golf clubs this time.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Love the CTS-V. It's a world class automobile. As far as Porsche is concerned, if 2 seats will get the job done, the new Boxster is a smokin' little vehicle.

PH


I just do not see Glenn buying / leasing an old man car. Razz

I agree ( like all the critics) the new Boxster is a must to consider. Glenn only needs two seats!
Funny I’ve always considered Porsche as an older guy car! Same with Cadillac and Corvettes. I’ve driven a cayman and a 911 and they are fun for sure, but I have never loved the look of Porsche and there is a certain kind of older guy that drives a Porsche in OC that I don’t want to be confused with. Wink If I was getting something sporty like that, I would go for a Maserati over a Porsche.

As for the CTS-V, my neighbor has one and it is badass. I don’t love the look of it, but it has grown on me for sure.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
Wait. You have a '12 and your lease is up in less than a year? What, an 18 month lease? 24 months and you got it as it was rolling out?
24 month and I got it the week it came out. This is the first time I have had a car this quick and it’s been a blast, but I’m looking for something with a real back seat and space for golf clubs this time.


And that is why I just dumped my XKR. Had hard time getting golf bag into the boot. Could only carry groceries. Great car, but impractcal

Looking at 5 series of A6. Both have back seat, and great luggage [Golf BAg] space.
There may be a new truck in our future. Talked about it before harvest started but have suspended that for now.

The FJ Cruiser is hanging tough. We towed 3000 pounds of Syrah 120 miles with it yesterday, the first 5 miles on dirt. I just can't see anyone in an X5 towing 3 full bins of grapes.
When we travelled out west this summer, we rented a 2013 Ford Explorer and drove it 6455 miles, mosty of it on highways and paved park roads, but also on a dirt, gravel, and rocky roads. The car performed extremely well. Voice recognition and clarity of phone calls were flawless. When we stopped to look at a few sights from the car in Death Valley in the sun in 123 degree heat, the engine temperature didn't raise at all, even after a few minutes of idling. The engine temperature didn't raise at all even when we were travelling on the rocky road to get into Titus Canyon at sustained driving at 1 or 2 miles an hour interspersed with idling periods. The air conditioning worked great and the voice recognition was fine. Mileage was good as was power, but of course it didn't say BMW or Audi or Mercedes on the outside, so I'm sure it wasn't prestigious enough for Patek Philippe wearing people.
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Originally posted by jorgerunfrombulls:
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Originally posted by wine+art:

No doubt. We hosted a baby shower this past weekend. I have never seen so many BMW, Audi, Lexus, MINI Coopers and Fiat's in one place in my life.



Good to see you're hangin' around folks with fine taste Wink


Well, more my kids friends...and none were wearing Lobb Chapel Double. Wink
I think we'll keep our E-class wagon for a few more years but it might seriously get replaced with a Tesla. The more loaded ones have all the range we need for 98% of the time (could go to the cottage and some running around without recharging). Otherwise it will either be a probably a barely used Range Rover (take advantage of terrible depreciation), Q7 diesel or used Panamera (my wife's pick).

And Porsche's arn't old man cars! I've had mine for 19 years and I'm still not old!
My wife spent a lot of time researching and test driving a lot of small to medium SUVs for the past few months, and finally after 13 vehicles narrowed it down to Audi Q5 or the newly revised Acura RDX. I drove both, and liked the Acura quite a bit more. Factor in better reliability, and that's what she bought.

While she was looking at Mercedes GLK in an auto mall, I went across the street and looked at Audi A5 and S5, which are very pretty cars. I really liked the S5 and was thoroughly impressed with some of the electronic features, so even though I wasn't intending to buy a new car, I decided to check out a couple other all-wheel drive coupes that I like, the Infinity G37 and BMW 335i. I was able to arrange extended drives in the three of them, and these were the characteristics that I thought were outstanding:

Audi - looks, electronics (inc. driver adjustable steering, suspension, throttle response, all together or individually, very impressive)
Infinity - exhaust note (seriously, this car growls)
BMW - just handles extremely well, feels completely solid and predictable, more rear seat headroom than the other two (I don't need 4 doors any more, but still have to drive 2 or 3 other people sometimes)

I ordered a 2013 335i Xdrive, without the stiff M-sport package but with everything else. I like the more compliant ride, and am willing to give up some extreme handling abilities for greater comfort. I just picked it up on Monday, and will head out of town in it this weekend. So far, my only disappointment is an unnecessarily complicated nav system. The i-drive controller that I heard so many complaints about is not at all hard to get used to.
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
My wife spent a lot of time researching and test driving a lot of small to medium SUVs for the past few months, and finally after 13 vehicles narrowed it down to Audi Q5 or the newly revised Acura RDX. I drove both, and liked the Acura quite a bit more. Factor in better reliability, and that's what she bought.

While she was looking at Mercedes GLK in an auto mall, I went across the street and looked at Audi A5 and S5, which are very pretty cars. I really liked the S5 and was thoroughly impressed with some of the electronic features, so even though I wasn't intending to buy a new car, I decided to check out a couple other all-wheel drive coupes that I like, the Infinity G37 and BMW 335i. I was able to arrange extended drives in the three of them, and these were the characteristics that I thought were outstanding:

Audi - looks, electronics (inc. driver adjustable steering, suspension, throttle response, all together or individually, very impressive)
Infinity - exhaust note (seriously, this car growls)
BMW - just handles extremely well, feels completely solid and predictable, more rear seat headroom than the other two (I don't need 4 doors any more, but still have to drive 2 or 3 other people sometimes)

I ordered a 2013 335i Xdrive, without the stiff M-sport package but with everything else. I like the more compliant ride, and am willing to give up some extreme handling abilities for greater comfort. I just picked it up on Monday, and will head out of town in it this weekend. So far, my only disappointment is an unnecessarily complicated nav system. The i-drive controller that I heard so many complaints about is not at all hard to get used to.


I test drove a lot of cars early this year and ended up with an Audi S4. I have to admit by far this is the most fun; technologically advanced car I have ever owned.

Flat out this car destroyed the BMW. Add an aftermarket exhaust and this thing sounds like a freaking race car. Have it chipped by Stassis or APR and it IS a freaking race car.

This car destroys. Yes I said destroys not only the 335 but the M3. Have a friend with a new M3 and all he sees is my tailpipes with my exhaust and engine flash.

The Nav, MMI, B&O sound system all are fun toys. This is not your old Audi. They have come light years and I'll put any of them up against a BMW or Infiniti etc. etc.
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
.....If I was getting something sporty like that, I would go for a Maserati over a Porsche.


Blasphemy......

PH


Funny I guess how markets are so different.

In our market, Maserati is clearly an old man car, and Porsche is a weekend car for many guys, and a weekday car for young women.
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Originally posted by T Dub:
I test drove a lot of cars early this year and ended up with an Audi S4.


What a great car! I drove an RS4 Cabriolet for a summer a few years back. I could just sit and listen to the exhaust note on that thing for weeks. It wasn't too bad to drive either.....

PH
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Originally posted by Board-O:
.......but of course it didn't say BMW or Audi or Mercedes on the outside, so I'm sure it wasn't prestigious enough for Patek Philippe wearing people.


Damn, Board-O!!! Did someone wearing a PP cut you off in their Range Rover??? LOL

PH
I'm gonna fly the practical flag until Ari shows up Smile

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
probably a barely used Range Rover (take advantage of terrible depreciation),


My FJ's blue book is 92% of the purchase price. That's at age 6.

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Originally posted by Seaquam: Audi - looks, electronics (inc. driver adjustable steering, suspension, throttle response, all together or individually, very impressive)


Electronics are limited, but I can pull the floor plug and hose the thing out.
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
I'm gonna fly the practical flag until Ari shows up Smile


Love it! Smile I have to say, I LOVE the Mazda. I love the bells and whistles (which may not be as many as on other cars, but I was coming from an 8 year old, then-top-of-the-line, Honda Element with not even bluetooth...)

I'm glad I am not terribly into cars... more money to spend on wine!
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
.......but of course it didn't say BMW or Audi or Mercedes on the outside, so I'm sure it wasn't prestigious enough for Patek Philippe wearing people.


Damn, Board-O!!! Did someone wearing a PP cut you off in their Range Rover??? LOL

PH


No. Just responding to the exponential proliferation of pretentious posts lately.
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by jorgerunfrombulls:
This is a great option for city drivers that still need that performance...


I would simply be afraid to get into a SmartCar. I like just a little more sheet metal around me.

PH


Did you see the video??

The doors open on their own!!

I'd be terrified of that thing, but you gotta love the evil genius who decided to put a 1300cc performance motorcycle engine into a smart.
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:

My FJ's blue book is 92% of the purchase price. That's at age 6.

How is this possible? That is a remarkable figure! I really love the FJ... The fun part of me would love to find an old LandCruiser from the 70s and use it for the mountains... Those things are indestructible, and look so cool.
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Originally posted by jorgerunfrombulls:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by jorgerunfrombulls:
This is a great option for city drivers that still need that performance...


I would simply be afraid to get into a SmartCar. I like just a little more sheet metal around me.

PH


Did you see the video??

The doors open on their own!!

I'd be terrified of that thing, but you gotta love the evil genius who decided to put a 1300cc performance motorcycle engine into a smart.


Yeah, I took a look. Evil genius indeed.

PH
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
I just don't see Porsche and Maserati in the same class of automobiles.

Nothing against the Maserati, but not equivalent in my world.....

PH
Oh there is no doubt that Porsche is the better driving machine, but that is not what I’m looking for. I want something that looks and feels nice to me and that has some punch when I get on the highway. I’m not looking to race anyone on the mean streets of OC. Smile
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
.....If I was getting something sporty like that, I would go for a Maserati over a Porsche.


Blasphemy......

PH


Funny I guess how markets are so different.

In our market, Maserati is clearly an old man car, and Porsche is a weekend car for many guys, and a weekday car for young women.
In OC Porsche seems to be the go to car for the early 50’s guy that is recently divorced, sporting a very unnatural orange tan, bad veneers, hair darker than when they were 16 and wearing clothes that are way too young for them. There are tons of them on the road around here. The older guys with a bit more style are rocking a nice benz, MB or Bentley.

Of course that is a major generality and I’m sure there are plenty of true car lovers around here that have Porsches because they are a great driver’s car. I just have never loved the look of them, although my wife does like the Cayenne.
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Originally posted by g-man:
isn't porsche owned by Volkswagen?

kinda like yer driving a glorified audi ;-)

Volkswagon now owns the majority stake in Porsche, but most of the lines are kept separate. (The Cayenne is basically a VW Toureg and they are introducing another SUV based upon the Audi Q5). FWIW: VW also owns substantial interest in Bugatti and (I believe controlling) interest in Lamborghini. The Lambo Gallardo and Audi R8 are the same basic car.
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by Board-O:

No. Just responding to the exponential proliferation of pretentious posts lately.



Wow! I bet in grade school you were put into the Advanced Alliteration class. Smile


It was unintentional.
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
The Lambo Gallardo and Audi R8 are the same basic car.


Isn't it the S8 that has the same engine as the Lambo Gallardo?

No. The S8 is an A8 with a super-supercharged engine and various other improvements. The R8 GT actually has the exact same engine as the Gallardo, and the R8 5.2 has virtually the same engine, just slightly tuned down. Also, same platform, technology, etc.
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Originally posted by CSM:
This says the 2007 S8's engine was sourced from the Gallardo. Not sure exactly what that means, but assuming that the engine was a derivative of, though not exactly the same as, the Gallardo's engine.

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/1...w-v10-from-gallardo/

The S8, in its current form, uses a super-super charged 4 liter V-8 seen here.

The R8 uses the normally aspirated 5.2 Liter V-10 first developed for the Gallardo that can be seen here once you click on the 5.2L engine.

The R8 also shares the same platform and technology* as the Gallardo whereas the S8 is just an A8 with some improvements for performance.

Audi shifts around its engines a lot, and especially as of recent as their turbo technology has really taken off. So one engine being in a car 5 or 6 years ago has very little chance of having much to do with what exists now. For example, neither of the currently available A6 engines nor the S6 engine were available for the -6 body 5 years ago, and only one of the currently available engines (the 2.0T) existed in any form in any Audi at all (and it had substantially less power back then).

*There may be differences in the non manual shifting option depending upon exact year and model.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by CSM:
This says the 2007 S8's engine was sourced from the Gallardo. Not sure exactly what that means, but assuming that the engine was a derivative of, though not exactly the same as, the Gallardo's engine.

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/1...w-v10-from-gallardo/

The S8, in its current form, uses a super-super charged 4 liter V-8 seen here.

The R8 uses the normally aspirated 5.2 Liter V-10 first developed for the Gallardo that can be seen here once you click on the 5.2L engine.

The R8 also shares the same platform and technology* as the Gallardo whereas the S8 is just an A8 with some improvements for performance.

Audi shifts around its engines a lot, and especially as of recent as their turbo technology has really taken off. So one engine being in a car 5 or 6 years ago has very little chance of having much to do with what exists now. For example, neither of the currently available A6 engines nor the S6 engine were available for the -6 body 5 years ago, and only one of the currently available engines (the 2.0T) existed in any form in any Audi at all (and it had substantially less power back then).

*There may be differences in the non manual shifting option depending upon exact year and model.


Starting to save my nickels for the upcoming RS5. Not the current one. Hearing they are throwing their 4.0 with a twin turbo in it that they've been developing for quite some time now. That is going to be a beautiful machine.
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by CSM:
This says the 2007 S8's engine was sourced from the Gallardo. Not sure exactly what that means, but assuming that the engine was a derivative of, though not exactly the same as, the Gallardo's engine.

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/1...w-v10-from-gallardo/

The S8, in its current form, uses a super-super charged 4 liter V-8 seen here.

The R8 uses the normally aspirated 5.2 Liter V-10 first developed for the Gallardo that can be seen here once you click on the 5.2L engine.

The R8 also shares the same platform and technology* as the Gallardo whereas the S8 is just an A8 with some improvements for performance.

Audi shifts around its engines a lot, and especially as of recent as their turbo technology has really taken off. So one engine being in a car 5 or 6 years ago has very little chance of having much to do with what exists now. For example, neither of the currently available A6 engines nor the S6 engine were available for the -6 body 5 years ago, and only one of the currently available engines (the 2.0T) existed in any form in any Audi at all (and it had substantially less power back then).

*There may be differences in the non manual shifting option depending upon exact year and model.


Starting to save my nickels for the upcoming RS5. Not the current one. Hearing they are throwing their 4.0 with a twin turbo in it that they've been developing for quite some time now. That is going to be a beautiful machine.

For serious. I didn't hear about that but that would be amazing.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by Board-O:

No. Just responding to the exponential proliferation of pretentious posts lately.



Wow! I bet in grade school you were put into the Advanced Alliteration class. Smile


It was unintentional.

I'm positive the proliferation of pathetically pretentious posts portends potential problems.
The last S6 and S8 had the V10 shared with the Gallardo. Different tune for more torque and less horsepower but same basic engine.

VW owns all of Bugatti and Lamborghini as well as 100% of Porsche (as of a couple of weeks ago). Of course the Porsche Family now owns 49% and a massive controlling interest in VW...
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:

My FJ's blue book is 92% of the purchase price. That's at age 6.

How is this possible? That is a remarkable figure! I really love the FJ... The fun part of me would love to find an old LandCruiser from the 70s and use it for the mountains... Those things are indestructible, and look so cool.


My friend Ron has an 07 and he clued me in, I actually didn't know and had to look it up. I payed 24,650 and current blue book is 22,800. From a few people what I've heard is they are just in super short supply, especially used, and dealers can flip them in less than 48 hours.
Been trying to get my coworker to get the Audi A6/A7. Keep telling him that a speaker comes up from the dashboard and that he needs it.

With the soon to be +1 in the family, I got rid of my G37 and got a Honda Pilot (Seats 8 or 5 + 2 giant dogs)

For my birthday, my wife got me a super car tour in Las Vegas. Test drove the Ferrari 458 Italia, Lamborghini LP570 Performante Spyder, and a new Porsche 911 Carrera S. While the Porsche won Motor Trend's best driver's car this year, the Ferrari 458 Italia is by far the sweetest car I've ever driven.

The Honda Pilot just doesn't drive quite as well!
Glenn, I know it's different in Europe with all our "smoke burners" but I'm lucky enough to have owned 5 MBs (E-class, C-class, CLK and SLK), 1 Audi (100 series) and 3 BMWs (3 series and 5 series) over the years, of which 3 were common rail direct injection diesel with particulate filters.

I bought my F10 5 series 20 months ago and it's simply awesome and well equipped as standard compared to Audi. It has the suspension compliance of a MB W124, the comfort of a limousine, the handling of a large sports car and astounding performance and economy. The new 8 speed sports auto boxes are a sheer delight and really do tailor the car to effortless performance.

My wife's SLK280 7sp auto is more fun and sounds better with the roof off but is harder to drive and probably no quicker over a longer run.

My servicing bills are way less than MB and Audi but maybe that's a UK dealership thing. I negotiated a 5 years service pack in with the F10.
As some of you know, my S4 was stolen from my driveway recently.

Would you consider the E63 AMG wagon? More $ but power out of my As!, new S4 or new s6?

Please consider that I like the S4 because it was understated and I have 2 babies. (My wife made me write that) Razz

Love the E63 AMG wagon but a MB - I'm under 40 - really?
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Originally posted by mangiare:
As some of you know, my S4 was stolen from my driveway recently.

Would you consider the E63 AMG wagon? More $ but power out of my As!, new S4 or new s6?

Please consider that I like the S4 because it was understated and I have 2 babies. (My wife made me write that) Razz

Love the E63 AMG wagon but a MB - I'm under 40 - really?

Mangiare- I am so sorry to hear about that... that is horrible. I hope new car shopping will help take away some of the sting. As for MB, the E63 ain't your grand-daddy's Benz. That car is badass at any age. Are you considering the S4 is wagon format as well? If you are thinking sedan for S4, I would probably lean that way, but if you are considering wagon for both, I gotta give the nod to the E-wagon. You'll look good behind the wheel of either however, and those are two wagons that even the kids will be proud to get dropped off to school in.
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Originally posted by Vino Bevo:
Just picked up a limited edition (1 of 400 total for the U.S.) MINI Countryman S for my wife today. Many thanks to shavez who turned her on to the fact this version was coming!


Hey, that's awesome! Please pass on my regards and congratulate her for me...
SDW - I'm undecided if i actually like the A7 and doesn't come in the S version in my market.
TPE - The S4 doesn't come in wagon format in our market. It would be a sedan.
The only reason I'm considering the E63 wagon is I buy sprinter trucks from a MB dealer and my contact is all over me with a really good deal that is hard to pass up. I am a little concerned about clients perception of the MB. The other factor is the S4 and E63 are ready for pick-up while the S6 would be March 2013. Geez, just looked at the E63 wagon again and its real nice. The question is - is it too much? regarding perception?
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Originally posted by mangiare:
SDW - I'm undecided if i actually like the A7 and doesn't come in the S version in my market.
TPE - The S4 doesn't come in wagon format in our market. It would be a sedan.
The only reason I'm considering the E63 wagon is I buy sprinter trucks from a MB dealer and my contact is all over me with a really good deal that is hard to pass up. I am a little concerned about clients perception of the MB. The other factor is the S4 and E63 are ready for pick-up while the S6 would be March 2013. Geez, just looked at the E63 wagon again and its real nice. The question is - is it too much? regarding perception?


What did you end up getting. I'm also driving an S4. So sorry to hear about your loss. I love my car and would say you should stay with Audi.

The new S6 looks sick!
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Originally posted by T Dub:
I test drove a lot of cars early this year and ended up with an Audi S4. I have to admit by far this is the most fun; technologically advanced car I have ever owned.

For the record, T Dub's car is EXTREMELY cool. How cool? Quite possibly the coolest car in which I have been a passenger. Although, my brother's GTI Rabbit was pretty cool in 1986. Big Grin
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Originally posted by mangiare:
SDW - I'm undecided if i actually like the A7 and doesn't come in the S version in my market.
TPE - The S4 doesn't come in wagon format in our market. It would be a sedan.
The only reason I'm considering the E63 wagon is I buy sprinter trucks from a MB dealer and my contact is all over me with a really good deal that is hard to pass up. I am a little concerned about clients perception of the MB. The other factor is the S4 and E63 are ready for pick-up while the S6 would be March 2013. Geez, just looked at the E63 wagon again and its real nice. The question is - is it too much? regarding perception?


You don't think I'm cool!?! I have an e500 4matic wagon and I love it. And it's totally cool. When I replace it probably late 2013 an E63 wagon is on my very short shortlist (along with a RangeRover, GL350 diesel & tesla).

I've driven the e63 a number of times and it is a whole lot of fun. You aren't an old man for getting one (now buying an s-class is a different story). Even with the new engine its a bit of a gas pig around town but it's worth it. The problem is you will hardly ever use all the power.

It's a much better car the the A7 (I can't like the looks no matter how much I try). Now, the e-class is about to get a facelift and the new one looks much better. Probably the reason you might be getting a deal. Some people will look at the car and say "solid family man", others (who know what it is) will say "q-ship maniacal baller".
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Originally posted by gigabit:
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Originally posted by T Dub:
I test drove a lot of cars early this year and ended up with an Audi S4. I have to admit by far this is the most fun; technologically advanced car I have ever owned.

For the record, T Dub's car is EXTREMELY cool. How cool? Quite possibly the coolest car in which I have been a passenger. Although, my brother's GTI Rabbit was pretty cool in 1986. Big Grin


To be fair; my car isn't exactly stock. Big Grin
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Originally posted by mangiare:
I ended up getting a 2013 S4. It's no E63 but it was the right call for me right now.

I likey so far.


Sweet. I'm starting come around on the new front end. Although I still prefer the "old" led's.

Good friend of mine just picked up and RS5. Really beautiful car but he's still pissed that all he sees are my tailights.
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by gigabit:
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Originally posted by T Dub:
I test drove a lot of cars early this year and ended up with an Audi S4. I have to admit by far this is the most fun; technologically advanced car I have ever owned.

For the record, T Dub's car is EXTREMELY cool. How cool? Quite possibly the coolest car in which I have been a passenger. Although, my brother's GTI Rabbit was pretty cool in 1986. Big Grin


To be fair; my car isn't exactly stock. Big Grin


I remember as a teenager my dad had an Audi 200 Turbo with the full ABT RS2 stage 3 or 4 kit on it. I think it made just over 400bhp which in the early 90's was a whole whole lot. It was fun showing up Porsche turbos Devilish
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by T Dub:


To be fair; my car isn't exactly stock. Big Grin


I remember as a teenager my dad had an Audi 200 Turbo with the full ABT RS2 stage 3 or 4 kit on it. I think it made just over 400bhp which in the early 90's was a whole whole lot. It was fun showing up Porsche turbos Devilish


I'm sitting at stage 2 right now. Once my warranty is gone I'll really see what this baby can do. With that being said the guy in the Ferrari F430 last weekend didn't like my car very much.

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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by mangiare:
T Dub - do tell please.
I NEED to know.


Mangiare; what is it you need to know?

My interest has been piqued as well... what sort of car/aftermarket equiptment do you have?

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I may test drive the Porsche Panamera when my dad is in town next week for my birthday. I can't afford it, but I have always wondered how it drives on the highway.

Anyone here have this car? Do you have any complaints?

IW, both my dad and good friend have these (4S and turbo) and love them. My father took the leap from a BMW 550i and says the difference he gets in enjoyment is great. I've driven the 4S and it is wonderful. They are very big cars -- lots of space and room and comfort -- that feel a lot smaller (from the driver's point of view) than they actually are. Still, it is an adjustment coming from being used to an A4 when you get behind the wheel.
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Originally posted by Italian Wino:
I may test drive the Porsche Panamera when my dad is in town next week for my birthday. I can't afford it, but I have always wondered how it drives on the highway.

Anyone here have this car? Do you have any complaints?

IW


Don' town one, but I"ve driven through the line-up.

I"m used to fast cars but the Turbo is silly fast. I don't hink I"ve driven a 4-door like that before. Most people buy the V8 4S in North America but thuthfully the v6 is a nice little engine with enough power for around town.

Interior is wonderful but truly a 4 seater. It will be great when the little guy is out of his car seat but until then just doesn't work.

As winetarelli says, it is BIG but drives much smaller than it is.
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Originally posted by mangiare:
T Dub, I'm interested in what you did to an S4 to go head to head with a Ferrari and will it match my daughters new cow pattern car seat? Wink


I'm not sure about matching any cow pattern seats, lol.

So far I've got a stage 2 ecu flash, cold air intake, upgraded the intercooler, downpipes/exhaust, front and rear sways/end links. I'm running 11.7/11.8 1/4 miles right now.

I'll run with most cars out there. Now the newer Ferrari's a la the 458. No chance. 360's/F430's don't stand a chance. Not that I wouldn't trade them car for car in a heartbeat!
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by mangiare:
T Dub, I'm interested in what you did to an S4 to go head to head with a Ferrari and will it match my daughters new cow pattern car seat? Wink


I'm not sure about matching any cow pattern seats, lol.

So far I've got a stage 2 ecu flash, cold air intake, upgraded the intercooler, downpipes/exhaust, front and rear sways/end links. I'm running 11.7/11.8 1/4 miles right now.

I'll run with most cars out there. Now the newer Ferrari's a la the 458. No chance. 360's/F430's don't stand a chance. Not that I wouldn't trade them car for car in a heartbeat!


T Dub . . . Hola from Boston. This is a perfect thread for me right now because I'm going to be buying a new car in the next 12 months (currently in a 2008 BMW 335xi).

Options are as follows:
--Audi S7
--Audi S6
--BMW 535xi
--Maserati Ghibli
--Panamera 4S (thought this likely would be a stretch unless I go for a used model)

Essentially, looking for a slight size up from a 3-series / A4 sized-car.

Have no experience with Mercedes. The AMG lines look enticing especially since they are starting to incorporate 4 wheel drive which is an absolute necessity here in the NE

thoughts?
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Test drove several cars over the last few days. Audi rS4 was disappointing in every way. M5 was great, but the CTS-V has more gutsy feel and handling and is way more luxurious. CLS63 not worth the coin.


Only old folks drive Caddy's. Thought you liked the action cars like your M37 [or whatever it was]. The M5's are not as great as before. I like the A7 but got something different. Bigger trunk, free maintenance!!!
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Originally posted by Ed Bowers [i.e. FlWino]:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Test drove several cars over the last few days. Audi rS4 was disappointing in every way. M5 was great, but the CTS-V has more gutsy feel and handling and is way more luxurious. CLS63 not worth the coin.


Only old folks drive Caddy's.

Ordered a 2014 556 HP CTS-V Coupe. If that makes me an old person, so be it.

Thought you liked the action cars like your M37 [or whatever it was].

I had an M45 years ago. I do like action cars which is precisely why I ordered the CTS-V Coupe.


Good luck with the 528
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Originally posted by shavez:
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Originally posted by Longboarder:
2013 Mini Cooper S for the wife. She was tired of driving a full size SUV. A fun car I have to say.


Most fun you can have in a car. Wait 'till the new generation in 2014...


And corners better than almost anything else on the road.
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by mangiare:
T Dub, I'm interested in what you did to an S4 to go head to head with a Ferrari and will it match my daughters new cow pattern car seat? Wink


I'm not sure about matching any cow pattern seats, lol.

So far I've got a stage 2 ecu flash, cold air intake, upgraded the intercooler, downpipes/exhaust, front and rear sways/end links. I'm running 11.7/11.8 1/4 miles right now.

I'll run with most cars out there. Now the newer Ferrari's a la the 458. No chance. 360's/F430's don't stand a chance. Not that I wouldn't trade them car for car in a heartbeat!


T Dub . . . Hola from Boston. This is a perfect thread for me right now because I'm going to be buying a new car in the next 12 months (currently in a 2008 BMW 335xi).

Options are as follows:
--Audi S7
--Audi S6
--BMW 535xi
--Maserati Ghibli
--Panamera 4S (thought this likely would be a stretch unless I go for a used model)

Essentially, looking for a slight size up from a 3-series / A4 sized-car.

Have no experience with Mercedes. The AMG lines look enticing especially since they are starting to incorporate 4 wheel drive which is an absolute necessity here in the NE

thoughts?

Don't test drive the Panamera 4S unless you are actually comfortable with the cost (and note that EVERYTHING is extra). It is in a different league, in every good sense, from the other cars on your list. But it also winds up being much more expensive.

The Maserati looks amazing but I would worry about upkeep.

Unlike others on this board, I have had great luck with my Audi (A4). Upkeep is a little on the high side, but probably lower or equal to a BMW, and I put major miles on the thing and it has always been good to me so long as I am good to it. Apart from Porsche, which is better, no one is making sports sedans like BMW in terms of handling (read: not straight line, and get the sports suspension). But overall I actually have a slight preference for Audis at the moment.

Mercedes are for old people. Wink Razz
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by mangiare:
T Dub, I'm interested in what you did to an S4 to go head to head with a Ferrari and will it match my daughters new cow pattern car seat? Wink


I'm not sure about matching any cow pattern seats, lol.

So far I've got a stage 2 ecu flash, cold air intake, upgraded the intercooler, downpipes/exhaust, front and rear sways/end links. I'm running 11.7/11.8 1/4 miles right now.

I'll run with most cars out there. Now the newer Ferrari's a la the 458. No chance. 360's/F430's don't stand a chance. Not that I wouldn't trade them car for car in a heartbeat!


T Dub . . . Hola from Boston. This is a perfect thread for me right now because I'm going to be buying a new car in the next 12 months (currently in a 2008 BMW 335xi).

Options are as follows:
--Audi S7
--Audi S6
--BMW 535xi
--Maserati Ghibli
--Panamera 4S (thought this likely would be a stretch unless I go for a used model)

Essentially, looking for a slight size up from a 3-series / A4 sized-car.

Have no experience with Mercedes. The AMG lines look enticing especially since they are starting to incorporate 4 wheel drive which is an absolute necessity here in the NE

thoughts?

Don't test drive the Panamera 4S unless you are actually comfortable with the cost (and note that EVERYTHING is extra). It is in a different league, in every good sense, from the other cars on your list. But it also winds up being much more expensive.

The Maserati looks amazing but I would worry about upkeep.

Unlike others on this board, I have had great luck with my Audi (A4). Upkeep is a little on the high side, but probably lower or equal to a BMW, and I put major miles on the thing and it has always been good to me so long as I am good to it. Apart from Porsche, which is better, no one is making sports sedans like BMW in terms of handling (read: not straight line, and get the sports suspension). But overall I actually have a slight preference for Audis at the moment.

Mercedes are for old people. Wink Razz


I do have that same impression of Mercedes.

Unfortunately, a salesperson "loaned" me a Panamera 4S last year for 24 hours while my wife Q5 was getting serviced. The thing is fantastic. But, you are correct . . . once I outfitted this thing online with a reasonable set of options, it topped $120,000 . . . a good 30-40k over the other options excepting perhaps the Audi S7
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Originally posted by shavez:
....2013 Mini Cooper S....Most fun you can have in a car.......


Wow, just a bit of a stretch there, shavez. I will say that "bang for the buck" wise, it has to be way up there. It is a hoot to drive. I do think they're ugly, though...

PH
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Originally posted by shavez:
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Originally posted by Longboarder:
2013 Mini Cooper S for the wife. She was tired of driving a full size SUV. A fun car I have to say.


Most fun you can have in a car. Wait 'till the new generation in 2014...

The back seat isn't nearly big enough.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by shavez:
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Originally posted by Longboarder:
2013 Mini Cooper S for the wife. She was tired of driving a full size SUV. A fun car I have to say.


Most fun you can have in a car. Wait 'till the new generation in 2014...

The back seat isn't nearly big enough.


Ok, that is a good point...!
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by shavez:
....2013 Mini Cooper S....Most fun you can have in a car.......


Wow, just a bit of a stretch there, shavez. I will say that "bang for the buck" wise, it has to be way up there. It is a hoot to drive. I do think they're ugly, though...

PH


Sure, it's a stretch, but I've had at least as much fun tossing a Cooper S (and JCW's) around a racetrack than many a car with 2-3 times the HP. It's lightweight and extremely nimble, and that counts for a lot in my books.

As for the looks, well, to each their own. I personally think that although it drives well, the Panamera looks clumsy and ungainly (I don't think large 4-door "near-sedan" concepts work well with fastback-style rear ends at all), but many seem to like it.
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Originally posted by shavez:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by shavez:
Most fun you can have in a car.


For you


It's not for everyone, but have you driven one?


Yeah. My friend had an S. I'm not finding fault with it, just saying that "Most fun you can have in a car," is very subjective.
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by mangiare:
T Dub, I'm interested in what you did to an S4 to go head to head with a Ferrari and will it match my daughters new cow pattern car seat? Wink


I'm not sure about matching any cow pattern seats, lol.

So far I've got a stage 2 ecu flash, cold air intake, upgraded the intercooler, downpipes/exhaust, front and rear sways/end links. I'm running 11.7/11.8 1/4 miles right now.

I'll run with most cars out there. Now the newer Ferrari's a la the 458. No chance. 360's/F430's don't stand a chance. Not that I wouldn't trade them car for car in a heartbeat!


T Dub . . . Hola from Boston. This is a perfect thread for me right now because I'm going to be buying a new car in the next 12 months (currently in a 2008 BMW 335xi).

Options are as follows:
--Audi S7
--Audi S6
--BMW 535xi
--Maserati Ghibli
--Panamera 4S (thought this likely would be a stretch unless I go for a used model)

Essentially, looking for a slight size up from a 3-series / A4 sized-car.

Have no experience with Mercedes. The AMG lines look enticing especially since they are starting to incorporate 4 wheel drive which is an absolute necessity here in the NE

thoughts?
I love the look and feel of the S7.
I think the Audi 7 series look like a carp. Ugly in the extreme. Test drive a tesla. I'm really liking them and they are a fun drive. I'm a Porsche guy and my wife loves the panamera but it is a pure 4 seater and quite big. Great car though, used they are a good deal. The new jags are fun too (with the big engines) and great interiors.
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I think the Audi 7 series look like a carp. Ugly in the extreme. Test drive a tesla. I'm really liking them and they are a fun drive. I'm a Porsche guy and my wife loves the panamera but it is a pure 4 seater and quite big. Great car though, used they are a good deal. The new jags are fun too (with the big engines) and great interiors.
I'm the opposite. I think the Audi 7 is sweet looking. Porsche on the other hand is my least favorite sports car. Don't like the lines and it's always seemed like an old guy car to me.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I think the Audi 7 series look like a carp. Ugly in the extreme. Test drive a tesla. I'm really liking them and they are a fun drive. I'm a Porsche guy and my wife loves the panamera but it is a pure 4 seater and quite big. Great car though, used they are a good deal. The new jags are fun too (with the big engines) and great interiors.
I'm the opposite. I think the Audi 7 is sweet looking. Porsche on the other hand is my least favorite sports car. Don't like the lines and it's always seemed like an old guy car to me.

Fully in agreement with Rob on this one... the A7 is flat-out hideous... for the most part, I am a big audi fan- I much prefer the a4 to the c class, the a8 to the s class, and the a5 to the clk. plus, across the whole portfolio, audi interiors set the bar when it comes to german cars. the one exception looks-wise is the cls to the a7... the cls looks so much better.
Also in agreement with Rob on the Tesla... simply a great car.
GlennK - Porsches are old mans cars more because they can easily be daily drivers. My dad drove 911s almost exclusively for the past 25 years. Cheap to own (not buy) and are great in all weather. I've had mine for 20 years now and I'm only starting to get old! Wink They are practical sports/super cars.

IMHO the Panamera is difficult to look at in some angles but quite striking in others. I wish they would bring the bigger diesel over to NA.

Paul - I love Audis too but the new A8 is the blandest car I've ever seen. The S8 is much better but still... The CLS is very striking and a 63 is all the car you would ever need. The Tesla in your neck of the woods is perfect. Right weather and Elon will make enough battery transfer stations that range will never be a problem for you.

I wouldn't buy a Ghibli in the 1st year of production. Just too many potential problems. What about a nearly new M5? And if you go up another $20k or so you can snatch one of the very very rapidly depreciating Aston Rapides.
Porsche's are a thrill to drive no doubt and I'm probably in the minority with the old guy comment but it seems around here only guys over 50 are rocking the Porsche.

Agree with everyone on Tesla. Great looking and the drive is really fun. It takes some getting used to though as Danyull said, there is no lag which can almost be scary until you get used to it.
Teslas are starting to show up around here. They are still a novelty car, for the Palm Beach area.

I have to start thinking about what kind of car to buy for a teenage boy who is about to get his driver license. Anyone know where I can buy a used Tank?
My wife just bought a new car. After testing the MB E350 (just didn't like it for some reason), BMW 5 (uncomfortable seats, front and especially rear) series, and Audi A4 (it was definitely in the running,the S4 was just too expensive and the 5 didn't come in a sedan), she decided she would stick with the Infinity and replaced her '05 G35 with a new G37s. She loves the car (except she was bummed she couldn't get it in Caribbean Blue like her last one was) and I have to agree with her, it is a lot of fun to drive and has plenty of space. Of course, if it was not for the fact that we needed a sedan because of aging parents, she might have chosen differently.
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Originally posted by Rothko:
Teslas are starting to show up around here. They are still a novelty car, for the Palm Beach area.

I have to start thinking about what kind of car to buy for a teenage boy who is about to get his driver license. Anyone know where I can buy a used Tank?


You can't get out of the state without a charge. At least they can get to JAX
I’m turning in my MB next week. I ended up going in a completely different direction from my original plan in this thread and leased an Acura ILX. I recently changed jobs and my commute is only like 10 mins each way. I’ll probably struggle to put 5-6K miles on my car next year so I just couldn’t justify a high payment. I’m literally in my car for only 25 mins total a day during the week and on the weekends we take my wife’s SUV because it’s much easier with the baby. It’s got better technology and is more comfortable than my MB and I can actually fit the little one in the back seat and a couple of sets of golf clubs in the trunk. I was pretty floored at the payment as well. They were really dealing on the 13's to make room for the 14's. I will miss the punch and handling of my C350 though.
Tesla is an interesting option . . . I just don't think there is anywhere I can test-drive this here in Boston

Rob .. .Agree with the don't buy Ghibli in first year comment. Maserati's aren't particularly known for their reliability

Re: the A7 and Panamera .. . like a few of you, I both love and hate the looks on each. But both are great drives! Question is will the uglier side of their form start to become more apparent once you're 6+ months in
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
Tesla is an interesting option . . . I just don't think there is anywhere I can test-drive this here in Boston

Yes there is


Tesla dealer that will offer test drives in Boston? I need to check this out. I've never visited a Tesla dealer in Boston. Last time I visited a Tesla "dealer" it was in a mall in Scottsdale, AZ. Good to know though
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
Tesla is an interesting option . . . I just don't think there is anywhere I can test-drive this here in Boston

Yes there is


KSC-- thanks for the heads-up. . . quick internet search revealed that there is a Tesla Motors 5 miles from my house. Once I saw their "store" in a mall in Scottsdale, I just assumed they had no "real" dealerships here in the states
I see many of you have given the thumbs down on Lexus. My wife and I are on our 6th Lexus now and have had great satisfaction. She has a 350ISC and I have a Gs350. The local dealer has been awesome with sales and service. I know they are not the fastest cars but all have been quite fun and comfortable. Never a major issue in 14 years of ownership
Mimik, Tesla doesn't have leases at this time in Canada. They do have an 84 month financing at 3.99%.

DoubleD, Porsche's like many other cars, you get the newest you can afford. Boxster's are great drivers if you only need two seats and want a drop top. The bigger engine in the S is not truly necessary but very desirable (and honestly the car could handle more power than that) and the extra power, better brakes, suspension etc. are worth it. They have two fairly good sized trunks and are fine daily drivers for 3 seasons in NJ. The porsche club in NJ is very very active as well. Good group. Maintenance isn't bad. If you are looking at a new or nearly new one though, I would look at the used 997 Cab market instead. Much better car.
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Originally posted by GlennK:

Agree with everyone on Tesla. Great looking and the drive is really fun. It takes some getting used to though as Danyull said, there is no lag which can almost be scary until you get used to it.


for someone who golfs as much as you do

i'm surprised yer not used to it on the golf cart ;-)
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by GlennK:

Agree with everyone on Tesla. Great looking and the drive is really fun. It takes some getting used to though as Danyull said, there is no lag which can almost be scary until you get used to it.
We have those crappy regulators on our golf carts so we can't drive fast. But yet, the Tesla feels like a really fast golf cart.

for someone who golfs as much as you do

i'm surprised yer not used to it on the golf cart ;-)
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
Anyone have any experience with Porsche Boxsters? Do you like it as an every day car? Are maintenance costs high like MBs and BMWs?


going through a midlife crisis?

dont you need to fix up the house before you get a car?
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Originally posted by GlennK:
My neighbor just got a Ferrari FF. I don’t like the look of the back, but I drove it last night and it was scary fast. He is going to be using it as his daily car.


Very colour dependent. I hated the look of them at first, but it's grown on me. Still too cartoonish at the front but looks good in darker/somber colours. You're right scary fast (the F12 with the same engine/but more power is faster than an Enzo). If next year is a really really good year, I"m being very tempted by a 612. Most of the depreciation is already in and it's a true 4 seater with a big V12 and innocuous enough to drive around town.
Back in January, I got a 2013 Ford Escape. More than pleased with it since. Love what Ford has done with technology and gas mileage. I'm getting close to 28mpg for a small SUV, seems quite good considering my previous car (Altima) didn't even get that. Since my last two went for 240k miles+, I doubt I'll be looking for another car anytime soon. I drive them till they don't drive no more.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
Anyone have any experience with Porsche Boxsters? Do you like it as an every day car? Are maintenance costs high like MBs and BMWs?


going through a midlife crisis?

dont you need to fix up the house before you get a car?

Yeah, I do need to fix up the house first. Frown

Darn you g-man, you never let me have any fun on these boards. Smile

I guess I'll just live vicariously through Glenn and Rob.
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
Anyone have any experience with Porsche Boxsters? Do you like it as an every day car? Are maintenance costs high like MBs and BMWs?


going through a midlife crisis?

dont you need to fix up the house before you get a car?

Yeah, I do need to fix up the house first. Frown

Darn you g-man, you never let me have any fun on these boards. Smile

I guess I'll just live vicariously through Glenn and Rob.


i find it amusing how i personally put in a new bathroom/wine cellar and a new backyard patio before you've broken any ground =)

and btw, the patio SUCKS! the backpains from lugging around 15k lbs of dirt and another 10k lbs of stones is not fun.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
My neighbor just got a Ferrari FF. I don’t like the look of the back, but I drove it last night and it was scary fast. He is going to be using it as his daily car.


Yowza . . . love that car. AWD in a Ferrari! Somewhere in the 300k vicinity?

Must be nice to be neighbors with this guy especially since he handed over the keys the other night.
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
My neighbor just got a Ferrari FF. I don’t like the look of the back, but I drove it last night and it was scary fast. He is going to be using it as his daily car.


Yowza . . . love that car. AWD in a Ferrari! Somewhere in the 300k vicinity?

Must be nice to be neighbors with this guy especially since he handed over the keys the other night.
He is a super nice guy, but does like to show off a bit which is why he tossed me the keys. When I first met him he was driving an Aston Martin, then he got rid of that and was driving a very used Toyota SUV for about a year and now he has the FF. Whatever he does it looks like its rocky!
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I wish I owned Tesla stock over the past year. It is up 350% this year and the company is now valued at $20 billion.

I would short tesla... It is a hype stock right now. I only gave people two stock tips this year: 1) buy Netflix at $60 and two weeks ago I said buy American Airlines at $2.60... Up 11% today alone to $3.40
Just rolled 160,000 miles on the BMW, but since I only live 2 miles from work i'm in no hurry to replace it.

Did place an order for a 2nd vehicle, a 2013 Toyota Tacoma, but they are now building the 2014's so the dealership is currently trying to figure things out.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I wish I owned Tesla stock over the past year. It is up 350% this year and the company is now valued at $20 billion.

I would short tesla... It is a hype stock right now. I only gave people two stock tips this year: 1) buy Netflix at $60 and two weeks ago I said buy American Airlines at $2.60... Up 11% today alone to $3.40


Screw a short. As I said, I wish I was riding the 350% ride this year alone.

A simple $250k investment 9 months ago would have been a nice gain YTD. Wink
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:

DoubleD, Porsche's like many other cars, you get the newest you can afford. Boxster's are great drivers if you only need two seats and want a drop top. The bigger engine in the S is not truly necessary but very desirable (and honestly the car could handle more power than that) and the extra power, better brakes, suspension etc. are worth it. They have two fairly good sized trunks and are fine daily drivers for 3 seasons in NJ. The porsche club in NJ is very very active as well. Good group. Maintenance isn't bad. If you are looking at a new or nearly new one though, I would look at the used 997 Cab market instead. Much better car.


Very well said Rob. 997 is a much much better car than Boxster....on a side note, I test drove the new Boxster and find it very boring....
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Originally posted by GlennK:
My neighbor just got a Ferrari FF. I don’t like the look of the back, but I drove it last night and it was scary fast. He is going to be using it as his daily car.


FF is the ugliest F-car ever....Period...
Have had the opportunity to be in some Porsche dealerships lately doing some work and really like the look of the new line-up all the way down to the Boxster. Never been a huge fan of this car but in a showroom, it looks real nice. Definitely thicker if that makes any sense. The new body on the 911 is also an improvement IMO.

On another note, I can't believe the inventory that these places carry. There must have been 150+ cars at one dealer. Not sure if that is a good sign or not.
If you want me to help in the GTA, I was previously the president of the Porsche club for our region of N.America (I think the 4th largest region in the world? with over 4k members) and have owned one for the past 19 years so I know the dealers fairly well.

And Maingiare, that is just the inventory you see, both DFC and Pfaff have underground garages with about the same amount again...
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Originally posted by aav28:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
If you want me to help in the GTA, I was previously the president of the Porsche club for our region of N.America (I think the 4th largest region in the world? with over 4k members)...


PCA UCR?


That's the one. I was on the national president's board as well for a year.
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
If you want me to help in the GTA, I was previously the president of the Porsche club for our region of N.America (I think the 4th largest region in the world? with over 4k members) and have owned one for the past 19 years so I know the dealers fairly well.

And Maingiare, that is just the inventory you see, both DFC and Pfaff have underground garages with about the same amount again...


At Pfaff, there was not one spot on the grounds or in the pre-owned lot next door.
Rob, I'll send you an e-mail as one of my good friends is about to open a massive dealership in Oakville. May be good to connect you guys.
Francesco?

I've never met him but certainly would be a great guy to know. My mechanic is going to be in charge of their classics department (I think they are the only dealer in the GTA with one). He used to be a race mechanic for the factory at Le Mans etc. Kind of annoying as it makes servicing my car more expensive now with dealer rates!
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
Francesco?

I've never met him but certainly would be a great guy to know. My mechanic is going to be in charge of their classics department (I think they are the only dealer in the GTA with one). He used to be a race mechanic for the factory at Le Mans etc. Kind of annoying as it makes servicing my car more expensive now with dealer rates!


I feel for you Rob, Joe Rocco at DFC used to take care of my 930 and now he's at Audi now.....Sighhhhh
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Originally posted by aav28:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
Francesco?

I've never met him but certainly would be a great guy to know. My mechanic is going to be in charge of their classics department (I think they are the only dealer in the GTA with one). He used to be a race mechanic for the factory at Le Mans etc. Kind of annoying as it makes servicing my car more expensive now with dealer rates!


I feel for you Rob, Joe Rocco at DFC used to take care of my 930 and now he's at Audi now.....Sighhhhh


I didn't know you were a Porsche guy! If you still have it, Jay Lloyds my mechanic is quite simply the best old turbo guy in the country. He's also fluent in Chinese (lived & married in HK for about 20 yrs). He will be going to the Oakville dealer but would still try to talk you into one of his 600bhp engines... Devilish
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I wish I owned Tesla stock over the past year. It is up 350% this year and the company is now valued at $20 billion.

I would short tesla... It is a hype stock right now. I only gave people two stock tips this year: 1) buy Netflix at $60 and two weeks ago I said buy American Airlines at $2.60... Up 11% today alone to $3.40


hows that TSLA short working for you?
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Originally posted by finz:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I wish I owned Tesla stock over the past year. It is up 350% this year and the company is now valued at $20 billion.

I would short tesla... It is a hype stock right now. I only gave people two stock tips this year: 1) buy Netflix at $60 and two weeks ago I said buy American Airlines at $2.60... Up 11% today alone to $3.40


hows that TSLA short working for you?

Bought the Model S and could not be happier. Best car ever and I love it... Still hate the financials! Smile
BMW 4-series gran coupe coming in about 6 weeks as is the Porsche Macan. Neither unfortunately comes with a manual transmission but there is hope that European delivery of the BMW can get you the manual

Looking forward to test driving both of these smaller vehicles
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Originally posted by Parcival:
BMW 4-series gran coupe coming in about 6 weeks as is the Porsche Macan. Neither unfortunately comes with a manual transmission but there is hope that European delivery of the BMW can get you the manual

Looking forward to test driving both of these smaller vehicles

2 cars? Life is good! Congrats!
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
BMW 4-series gran coupe coming in about 6 weeks as is the Porsche Macan. Neither unfortunately comes with a manual transmission but there is hope that European delivery of the BMW can get you the manual

Looking forward to test driving both of these smaller vehicles

2 cars? Life is good! Congrats!


Unfortunately, it's a one or the other choice. The shortlist for now is:

BMW 535xi
BMX 435xi gran coupe
Porsche Macan
Maserati Ghibli
Audi S6 (maybe S7 but I'm not totally sold on the body style quite yet. I like it sometimes and othertimes just don't)

I drive cars into the ground and have never had to pay a lot of maintenance costs ... worried this may rule the Maserati out
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
BMW 4-series gran coupe coming in about 6 weeks as is the Porsche Macan. Neither unfortunately comes with a manual transmission but there is hope that European delivery of the BMW can get you the manual

Looking forward to test driving both of these smaller vehicles

2 cars? Life is good! Congrats!


Unfortunately, it's a one or the other choice. The shortlist for now is:

BMW 535xi
BMX 435xi gran coupe
Porsche Macan
Maserati Ghibli
Audi S6 (maybe S7 but I'm not totally sold on the body style quite yet. I like it sometimes and othertimes just don't)

I drive cars into the ground and have never had to pay a lot of maintenance costs ... worried this may rule the Maserati out

All the Germans will require fairly expensive maintenance / fixing small - moderate sized problems relative to Japanese cars, but they should also all provide hundreds of thousands of miles of fun if well cared for. I would get an extended warranty just due to the price of small things on German cars (eg. new fuel pump? $2k) but I wouldn't worry about their durability. I would, however, worry about the Maserati under high milage / hard driving, as well. Maserati is claiming this will be a daily-driver that can handle high milage with ease -- but there is no data yet confirming this claim and lots of counter data points.
I gave the Maserati a good going over last week and my verdict is stay away unless you are doing short term leasing and have no children. It's a flimsy car and as pretty as it is, I wouldn't do it, I have the feeling they will (very unfortunately) be yet another in the string of Maser lemons that fall apart.

The Macan is a Q5 but the rear is smaller. I have a 3.5 year old and he would be claustrophobic in the back. Still Porsche will sell a lot of them and again, no kids, want to sit high and need/want a small SUV, it suits well.

If you want something small and fun what about a GLA45 or CLA45?
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
I would get an extended warranty just due to the price of small things on German cars (eg. new fuel pump? $2k) but I wouldn't worry about their durability.


Bentley's manual for your car, 100$
tools to swap out a fuel pump 50$
bmw fuel pump 130$
porsche fuel pump 250$
rubber rings, seals - 20$
total time spent 2 hrs.
-You are getting ripped off it it's anywhere near 2k$

the bmw's are a bit easier to get around the hood than the vw/audi's. vw/audis pack the parts so close together you can tack on another 2 hrs to do any sort of work. things like hoses/belts are a huge pain on the vw/audis
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
I'm really digging the Audi Allroad, but a part of me can't pull the trigger on a station wagon until we have kids.

The MB e63 wagon would change your mind... As a single guy I would drive that beauty.


+1 Even my E500 wagon is fast. And totally not emasculating (I'm being honest). Hot wagons are the coolest car in Europe, kids or no. Jag just announced their XFR-S wagon to add to the RS6/E63/M5 fight.

I would also look at Alpina. You can buy them from certain BMW dealers in the US now and they are a lot of car. An allrad (all wheel drive) D3 (350hp diesel with 516ft.lbs) or B3 (410hp gas turbo) touring wagon would be a sweet little car. A D5 Touring would be even better. And I think you can get them with a stick.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
I'm really digging the Audi Allroad, but a part of me can't pull the trigger on a station wagon until we have kids.

The MB e63 wagon would change your mind... As a single guy I would drive that beauty.


love this car - came very close the last time
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


I'll gladly take you up on that offer!
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
BMW 4-series gran coupe coming in about 6 weeks as is the Porsche Macan. Neither unfortunately comes with a manual transmission but there is hope that European delivery of the BMW can get you the manual

Looking forward to test driving both of these smaller vehicles

2 cars? Life is good! Congrats!


Unfortunately, it's a one or the other choice. The shortlist for now is:

BMW 535xi
BMX 435xi gran coupe
Porsche Macan
Maserati Ghibli
Audi S6 (maybe S7 but I'm not totally sold on the body style quite yet. I like it sometimes and othertimes just don't)

I drive cars into the ground and have never had to pay a lot of maintenance costs ... worried this may rule the Maserati out

All the Germans will require fairly expensive maintenance / fixing small - moderate sized problems relative to Japanese cars, but they should also all provide hundreds of thousands of miles of fun if well cared for. I would get an extended warranty just due to the price of small things on German cars (eg. new fuel pump? $2k) but I wouldn't worry about their durability. I would, however, worry about the Maserati under high milage / hard driving, as well. Maserati is claiming this will be a daily-driver that can handle high milage with ease -- but there is no data yet confirming this claim and lots of counter data points.


Winetarelli, this was my expectation as well for all German cars. But, as a counter-point . . . I had an 8 year old Audi A4 that I finally sold with 110,000 miles. Literally no maintenance costs other than tires and 2 sets of breaks across the lifespan of the car. Now in an 8 year old 335xi with 85,000 miles and no issues at all (fingers crossed).


But, I may be extraordinarily lucky and agree that ultimately there is a trade-off here -- shear driving fun or practicality. At my age, I'm still pursuing that shear driving fun factor because with 2 young kids now, driving alone in my car is one of the few joys I can consistently rely on each week!
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I gave the Maserati a good going over last week and my verdict is stay away unless you are doing short term leasing and have no children. It's a flimsy car and as pretty as it is, I wouldn't do it, I have the feeling they will (very unfortunately) be yet another in the string of Maser lemons that fall apart.

The Macan is a Q5 but the rear is smaller. I have a 3.5 year old and he would be claustrophobic in the back. Still Porsche will sell a lot of them and again, no kids, want to sit high and need/want a small SUV, it suits well.

If you want something small and fun what about a GLA45 or CLA45?


Rob . . . what's the issue you ran into with the Maserati? I test drove the Ghibli but only for ~90 minutes. Obviously, there's a lot that goes unnoticed in that short a period of time, but interested to hear what signs you picked up on that suggest poor durability
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


TPE . . . I had a very brief test-drive in the Tesla model just under your model (the "middle" engine). Even with this less powerful engine, the acceleration was mind boggling

My only hang-up -- the interior. I'm a traditionalist when it comes to interiors and love the soft leathers and wood grains that BMW, Audi, and Mercedes pile their cars with.

One other potential hang-up that the Tesla "store" told me was not an issue-- rear wheel drive in Boston? I've been told the weight distribution is nearly 50/50 so this should do well in the snow, but do you have any practical experience testing this out?
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Originally posted by Parcival:


One other potential hang-up that the Tesla "store" told me was not an issue-- rear wheel drive in Boston? I've been told the weight distribution is nearly 50/50 so this should do well in the snow, but do you have any practical experience testing this out?


yea, it's called good luck

i believe only the top model has dual drive engines in front and back bay
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


TPE . . . I had a very brief test-drive in the Tesla model just under your model (the "middle" engine). Even with this less powerful engine, the acceleration was mind boggling

My only hang-up -- the interior. I'm a traditionalist when it comes to interiors and love the soft leathers and wood grains that BMW, Audi, and Mercedes pile their cars with.

One other potential hang-up that the Tesla "store" told me was not an issue-- rear wheel drive in Boston? I've been told the weight distribution is nearly 50/50 so this should do well in the snow, but do you have any practical experience testing this out?

I took it up to Tahoe a couple weeks ago in a snow storm, and as the chp was pulling cars over for chains, once I got to the checkpoint, the officer said I was completely fine to drive. It handled like a champ. As for the interior, I consider Audi to be the standard-bearer amongst German cars, and I love te interior of mine every bit as much as the interior of most Audis (the gorgeous, fully carboned s8 parked next to me at the gym notwithstanding). I will text you some pics of my interior later this evening.
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I gave the Maserati a good going over last week and my verdict is stay away unless you are doing short term leasing and have no children. It's a flimsy car and as pretty as it is, I wouldn't do it, I have the feeling they will (very unfortunately) be yet another in the string of Maser lemons that fall apart.

The Macan is a Q5 but the rear is smaller. I have a 3.5 year old and he would be claustrophobic in the back. Still Porsche will sell a lot of them and again, no kids, want to sit high and need/want a small SUV, it suits well.

If you want something small and fun what about a GLA45 or CLA45?


Rob . . . what's the issue you ran into with the Maserati? I test drove the Ghibli but only for ~90 minutes. Obviously, there's a lot that goes unnoticed in that short a period of time, but interested to hear what signs you picked up on that suggest poor durability


I'll write more tomorrow when I'm not on my iPad but the gauge of the sheet metal is very thin, the doors were poorly done, the door handles were already loose and close to broken. The interior had had a number of people going through it but it was already worn.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:

Bought the Model S and could not be happier. Best car ever and I love it... Still hate the financials! Smile


Good looking car TPE! Saw one of these take off from the line in Newport Beach. My jaw dropped when I saw how quickly that thing could move.

Just picked up a new Honda CR-V for the nanny to tote the kids around. The little one was putting shoe marks on my leather seats. Wink
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Originally posted by Wine doc:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:

Bought the Model S and could not be happier. Best car ever and I love it... Still hate the financials! Smile


Good looking car TPE! Saw one of these take off from the line in Newport Beach. My jaw dropped when I saw how quickly that thing could move.

Just picked up a new Honda CR-V for the nanny to tote the kids around. The little one was putting shoe marks on my leather seats. Wink

thanks buddy... i got the p85 and it is scary fast at times. Congrats on the CR-V... glad your leather seats will be safe going forward.
still humming along with the FJ. I did get a letter from Toyota though offering to buy the now 7 year old 120,000 mile car back from me at 85% of what I paid for it 7 years ago. By my math that makes the effective cost of the vehicle for the past 7 years $50.59 a month. My kind of car payment.
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
still humming along with the FJ. I did get a letter from Toyota though offering to buy the now 7 year old 120,000 mile car back from me at 85% of what I paid for it 7 years ago. By my math that makes the effective cost of the vehicle for the past 7 years $50.59 a month. My kind of car payment.

outside of insurance, i don't have a car payment.... i don't even have to pay for gas. =) but that is amazing resale value on the FJ... they never stay on a lot for longer than 2 days.
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I gave the Maserati a good going over last week and my verdict is stay away unless you are doing short term leasing and have no children. It's a flimsy car and as pretty as it is, I wouldn't do it, I have the feeling they will (very unfortunately) be yet another in the string of Maser lemons that fall apart.

The Macan is a Q5 but the rear is smaller. I have a 3.5 year old and he would be claustrophobic in the back. Still Porsche will sell a lot of them and again, no kids, want to sit high and need/want a small SUV, it suits well.

If you want something small and fun what about a GLA45 or CLA45?


Rob . . . what's the issue you ran into with the Maserati? I test drove the Ghibli but only for ~90 minutes. Obviously, there's a lot that goes unnoticed in that short a period of time, but interested to hear what signs you picked up on that suggest poor durability


I'll write more tomorrow when I'm not on my iPad but the gauge of the sheet metal is very thin, the doors were poorly done, the door handles were already loose and close to broken. The interior had had a number of people going through it but it was already worn.


Just to add a little more colour, the suspension was a little rough (not firm and sporty, more just a bad case of poorly set-up dampers, it came into its own on good fast back roads). The gearbox, which is the best auto around and used by jag, aston martin etc. is again set-up poorly. Slow shifts, a little hesitant etc. You can't tell it's the same transmission as used elsewhere. The steering is also absolutely dead.

The car could be a lot better than it is (and will probably evolve to be that way) but the engineers took great parts off the shelf and set them up poorly. The Alfa 4C apparently suffers from the same fate (esp. the steering). It's been deadened and slowed down.

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