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What car are you buying/test driving?

G g-manMember
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by g-man:

you can get a fully loaded v6vw passat for 26k all included @ 70 months 0% interest.


That does sound like an excellent deal, even without the easy financing. I wonder how much better a deal you could get on a VW diesel-engined car now?


they're not allowed to sell them since the epa didnt sign off on the car.

tho there are some dealers just trying to get rid of it on the lot.

they're offering 16k off sticker tag
robsutherlandrobsutherlandMember
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I'd take that deal.

The really funny thing is when the car wasn't in "Test" mode it had better fuel economy and produced way less CO2...


it wasn't the CO2

it was the nitrous oxide i believe

and it produced quite alot of nox =)


The "test" cheat circuit was to reduce the NOx, it also drastically decreased the HP and increased CO2 (but still below allowable cutoffs). They did this because it was too expensive to incorporate AdBlue to the engine (like MB Bluetec etc...). So when the car isn't on the cheat circuit it actually delivers much better fuel economy and the CO2 emissions go down. NOx emissions do however go through the roof.

So you can say that the decreased CO2 and the much better fuel economy (and way more horsepower) should at least offset the increased NOx, but the EPA won't care because the hate diesels.
G g-manMember
quote:
Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
quote:
Originally posted by g-man:
quote:
Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I'd take that deal.

The really funny thing is when the car wasn't in "Test" mode it had better fuel economy and produced way less CO2...


it wasn't the CO2

it was the nitrous oxide i believe

and it produced quite alot of nox =)


The "test" cheat circuit was to reduce the NOx, it also drastically decreased the HP and increased CO2 (but still below allowable cutoffs). They did this because it was too expensive to incorporate AdBlue to the engine (like MB Bluetec etc...). So when the car isn't on the cheat circuit it actually delivers much better fuel economy and the CO2 emissions go down. NOx emissions do however go through the roof.

So you can say that the decreased CO2 and the much better fuel economy (and way more horsepower) should at least offset the increased NOx, but the EPA won't care because the hate diesels.


yea i totally get it

muhc like the WHO hates bacon.
P papeduneufMember
quote:
Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
quote:
Originally posted by g-man:
quote:
Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I'd take that deal.

The really funny thing is when the car wasn't in "Test" mode it had better fuel economy and produced way less CO2...


it wasn't the CO2

it was the nitrous oxide i believe

and it produced quite alot of nox =)


The "test" cheat circuit was to reduce the NOx, it also drastically decreased the HP and increased CO2 (but still below allowable cutoffs). They did this because it was too expensive to incorporate AdBlue to the engine (like MB Bluetec etc...). So when the car isn't on the cheat circuit it actually delivers much better fuel economy and the CO2 emissions go down. NOx emissions do however go through the roof.

So you can say that the decreased CO2 and the much better fuel economy (and way more horsepower) should at least offset the increased NOx, but the EPA won't care because the hate diesels.


NOx is only an issue in cities with a concentration of NOx emiting vehicles, and in particular, ones with lots of sunshine and inversions. A good solutions would be to allow the offending diesels to be operated in rural areas, but you know that won't happen because owners would cheat.
board-oboard-oMember
Took my CTS-V coupe in for an oil change. The 2016 is only available as a sedan. HP has been boosted to 640. One year left on my three year lease. As of now, I expect I'll stick with the CTS-V. I hope they offer it as a coupe for 2017.

I was driving behind a high Jeep on I-95 and a truck tire piece passed between its wheels. I had no time to react but I knew my car wouldn't clear it. At 75, I swerved hard to the right then hard left to avoid it. I was expecting some fishtail ing but there was not a hint of any. It was like riding on rails. I drove one on a racetrack and it convinced me.
flwinoflwinoMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by FL Wino:
Finally made the decision. Bought a C450 AMG. Special order, get it in February.


A lot of car for the money! Congrats.

You were a BMW guy previously, correct?



Only had 8 BMW's in my life time jalopy
6 Jags Best the XKR
3 Porsches
2 Audi's [the worst was in the 80's]
W wine+artMember
quote:
Originally posted by FL Wino:
quote:
Originally posted by wine+art:
quote:
Originally posted by FL Wino:
Finally made the decision. Bought a C450 AMG. Special order, get it in February.


A lot of car for the money! Congrats.

You were a BMW guy previously, correct?



Only had 8 BMW's in my life time jalopy
6 Jags Best the XKR
3 Porsches
2 Audi's [the worst was in the 80's]


Two Audi's as well...SUCKED!

Five MB's.
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