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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
First off, I drive a Fiat 500, so I'll have to disagree with some of the sentiment in this thread. I've thoroughly enjoyed it. If I were to do it again, I'd opt for the Turbo (wasn't available when I purchased mine) or even the Abarth (wasn't available yet, either) just to give it a bit more pep. Otherwise, it's a fun little car, and I think it's better-styled than the MINI.

Secondly, I'm looking into the MINI Countryman because I need something bigger, and I find the 4-door Fiat pretty disagreeable.

Thirdly, I'm thinking of splurging and am looking at the Audi S4 or BMW 335i. Coming from a 101hp Fiat, these 300hp+ cars are outright wild for me.

Test drove a 428i GC this weekend, and thought it was nice, but overpriced (I really want a 435i GC, but it's just way too new, so dealers are impossible)

Also took the Lexus GS350 for a spin, which drove incredibly smoothly and quietly. Talk about a pure luxury, cruising, sedan.

I'll follow up next week, but the Audi S4 seems to be in the lead right now.


I love my 335i. Only complaint was the performance run flat tires which were $1500 to $2000 a set and lasted less than 15K miles. Bridgestone just came out with touring drive flat tires (model is DriveGuard) that come with 50K mile guarantee under $1000/set. They arent nearly as responsive and it changed the ride a lot but saving $3500 over 3 years of driving is worth it to me.

My best friend just got rid of his 328 and got the GS350. He loves it so far
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
I have a colleague who also bought a fully-loaded Chrysler 300C with the same engine last year, and he loves it. It's a great highway cruiser, lots of comfort and power. I think you get a lot of car for your money with this model.


Test drove one last year and enjoyed it, but for not all that much more, got a loaded CTS-V Coupe. If Dodge had a more realistic lease price on the car, I might have gotten it. The V had a sticker price $32k higher.


Just helped a poor girl from Texas get her 300c out from being stuck in the snow. I don't know if they make the car with front wheel or all-wheel-drive drive but rear wheel drive is a no-no for northern climates.
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Originally posted by DoktaP:
I'm looking to buy an eco-friendly small car to use in town to drive back and forth to work. What are people's thoughts on the Fiat 500? Any other suggestions?


Well I'm exceptionally biased, but I'd go with a MINI, especially the new generation 3-cylinder. Fiat has the industry's worst customer satisfaction in Canada, if that plays a role..

Dok, Mini over the Fiat any day of the week, and I can totally see you in a mini (tweed cap et al) Wink


At a higher price range, though, check out the BMW i3 all electric hatchbsck. It says DoktaP and mrs P. all over itWink
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
Thanks guys, good to hear on all counts.

I've also just thrown the Lexus IS350 F-Sport into the mix, and sort of removed the GS350 (it's a bit too "grown up" for me). A family friend owns a dealership, and the numbers on the IS are incredible

In the coming days I'll test drive the IS350 and S4 and be sure to report back.


Jorge; can't say enough great things about my S4. Most fun car I've ever owned and fast fast fast! Very easy to mod and tune as well. For a small price you can literally turn them into super cars. At least here Audi seems to be the "in" vehicle so to speak.

If you need anymore feedback you know where to find me.
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
First off, I drive a Fiat 500, so I'll have to disagree with some of the sentiment in this thread. I've thoroughly enjoyed it. If I were to do it again, I'd opt for the Turbo (wasn't available when I purchased mine) or even the Abarth (wasn't available yet, either) just to give it a bit more pep.

While a turbo does provide the pep I would reccomend avoiding a turbo on all but a 911, at least for something that you plan to keep for a long time. They age an engine prematurely.
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
First off, I drive a Fiat 500, so I'll have to disagree with some of the sentiment in this thread. I've thoroughly enjoyed it. If I were to do it again, I'd opt for the Turbo (wasn't available when I purchased mine) or even the Abarth (wasn't available yet, either) just to give it a bit more pep.

While a turbo does provide the pep I would reccomend avoiding a turbo on all but a 911, at least for something that you plan to keep for a long time. They age an engine prematurely.

I have not had this experience with an Audi (2.0T) at all. That said, other things (fuel pumps, etc) have given me headaches walletaches with the car.

Audi and BMW have both gone almost exclusively to turbo, and the engines are great. They also use less gas than a normally aspirated engine capable of producing the same thrust.
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
Thanks guys, good to hear on all counts.

I've also just thrown the Lexus IS350 F-Sport into the mix, and sort of removed the GS350 (it's a bit too "grown up" for me). A family friend owns a dealership, and the numbers on the IS are incredible.

In the coming days I'll test drive the IS350 and S4 and be sure to report back.


Take a look at the new CLA 45. I don't normally go for a 4-banger in a sedan, but I drove one of these and they are a hoot! Too small for my needs but super fun and quite zippy.
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Audi and BMW have both gone almost exclusively to turbo, and the engines are great. They also use less gas than a normally aspirated engine capable of producing the same thrust.


Caveat here. In normal COMFORT mode yes they have great MPG. For the old zip you need to switch to the SPORT mode. Less MPG.

Speak from experience I have a BMW 528i. In the ECO mode it is great for MPG but can't get out of the way of a turtle.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:

Audi and BMW have both gone almost exclusively to turbo, and the engines are great. They also use less gas than a normally aspirated engine capable of producing the same thrust.


Audi in it's midsize sports sedans is still using a supercharger not a turbo. I love the sound that baby makes when it's all spun up.
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:

Audi and BMW have both gone almost exclusively to turbo, and the engines are great. They also use less gas than a normally aspirated engine capable of producing the same thrust.


Audi in it's midsize sports sedans is still using a supercharger not a turbo. I love the sound that baby makes when it's all spun up.


Actually... not any more. The only sedan Audi makes without a turbo engine now is the A8L W12. But that might be a pretty new development -- I think the A7 had the supercharged engine just a couple of years ago? Even the base A8 is now using the 3.0T.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:

Audi and BMW have both gone almost exclusively to turbo, and the engines are great. They also use less gas than a normally aspirated engine capable of producing the same thrust.




Audi in it's midsize sports sedans is still using a supercharger not a turbo. I love the sound that baby makes when it's all spun up.


Actually... not any more. The only sedan Audi makes without a turbo engine now is the A8L W12. But that might be a pretty new development -- I think the A7 had the supercharged engine just a couple of years ago? Even the base A8 is now using the 3.0T.


The T on 3.0T does not stand for turbo. The S4 and S5 their mid size are both supercharged. The T is used by Audi to designate a tuned engine. The A6 is also using a supercharged 3.0T as an option as is the A7 and A8. The 3.0T supercharged engine has been named repeatedly one of the best engines in the world.
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by T Dub:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:

Audi and BMW have both gone almost exclusively to turbo, and the engines are great. They also use less gas than a normally aspirated engine capable of producing the same thrust.




Audi in it's midsize sports sedans is still using a supercharger not a turbo. I love the sound that baby makes when it's all spun up.


Actually... not any more. The only sedan Audi makes without a turbo engine now is the A8L W12. But that might be a pretty new development -- I think the A7 had the supercharged engine just a couple of years ago? Even the base A8 is now using the 3.0T.


The T on 3.0T does not stand for turbo. The S4 and S5 their mid size are both supercharged. The T is used by Audi to designate a tuned engine. The A6 is also using a supercharged 3.0T as an option as is the A7 and A8. The 3.0T supercharged engine has been named repeatedly one of the best engines in the world.

Eek Eek

I stand corrected! Since the 2.0T and 4.0T are turbos I just assumed the 3.0T is as well... but you're totally right! Wow, to get that much power out of a 3 liter engine without turbo-charging it is definitely impressive!
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by KSC02:
While a turbo does provide the pep I would reccomend avoiding a turbo on all but a 911, at least for something that you plan to keep for a long time. They age an engine prematurely.

I have not had this experience with an Audi (2.0T) at all. That said, other things (fuel pumps, etc) have given me headaches walletaches with the car.

Audi and BMW have both gone almost exclusively to turbo, and the engines are great. They also use less gas than a normally aspirated engine capable of producing the same thrust.

I'm happy to see your 2.0T performing well. I can only speak from the experience of designing engines (including turbo units) for several years in a previous life. Granted that was back in the 80s. Last engine development I was involved with was the first Viper V10 (turbo not required Big Grin ). Technology may have improved this but unless there have been significant advancements with this technology in lining/strengthening basic engine core it's still the simple physics of recycling waste exhaust gases and recycling under high pressure which is very hard on the basic engine structure. This won't show in a couple of years. It would start to show as the engine ages (but it will then age very quickly vs progressively) and require a replace. Again, technology may have improved this greatly. If so, terrific. Personally, I wouldn't consider purchasing one. But, then, I'm also not a fan of Audi due to very unsatisfied past customer experiences Wink

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