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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
still humming along with the FJ. I did get a letter from Toyota though offering to buy the now 7 year old 120,000 mile car back from me at 85% of what I paid for it 7 years ago. By my math that makes the effective cost of the vehicle for the past 7 years $50.59 a month. My kind of car payment.


Paul, what's the scoop with that. That's amazing? Has this become a collector's item of sorts? Don't even know if they still make this model
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:



Just to add a little more colour, the suspension was a little rough (not firm and sporty, more just a bad case of poorly set-up dampers, it came into its own on good fast back roads). The gearbox, which is the best auto around and used by jag, aston martin etc. is again set-up poorly. Slow shifts, a little hesitant etc. You can't tell it's the same transmission as used elsewhere. The steering is also absolutely dead.

The car could be a lot better than it is (and will probably evolve to be that way) but the engineers took great parts off the shelf and set them up poorly. The Alfa 4C apparently suffers from the same fate (esp. the steering). It's been deadened and slowed down.


heh sounds like a rebadged Lincoln town car
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I gave the Maserati a good going over last week and my verdict is stay away unless you are doing short term leasing and have no children. It's a flimsy car and as pretty as it is, I wouldn't do it, I have the feeling they will (very unfortunately) be yet another in the string of Maser lemons that fall apart.

The Macan is a Q5 but the rear is smaller. I have a 3.5 year old and he would be claustrophobic in the back. Still Porsche will sell a lot of them and again, no kids, want to sit high and need/want a small SUV, it suits well.

If you want something small and fun what about a GLA45 or CLA45?


Rob . . . what's the issue you ran into with the Maserati? I test drove the Ghibli but only for ~90 minutes. Obviously, there's a lot that goes unnoticed in that short a period of time, but interested to hear what signs you picked up on that suggest poor durability


I'll write more tomorrow when I'm not on my iPad but the gauge of the sheet metal is very thin, the doors were poorly done, the door handles were already loose and close to broken. The interior had had a number of people going through it but it was already worn.


Just to add a little more colour, the suspension was a little rough (not firm and sporty, more just a bad case of poorly set-up dampers, it came into its own on good fast back roads). The gearbox, which is the best auto around and used by jag, aston martin etc. is again set-up poorly. Slow shifts, a little hesitant etc. You can't tell it's the same transmission as used elsewhere. The steering is also absolutely dead.

The car could be a lot better than it is (and will probably evolve to be that way) but the engineers took great parts off the shelf and set them up poorly. The Alfa 4C apparently suffers from the same fate (esp. the steering). It's been deadened and slowed down.


I'm going to have to try to get a weekend loan on this. This wasn't my experience at all, but I didn't have that much time in it. Admittedly, I was also wowed by the look of the car and perhaps influenced by the fact that it was parked besides a McLaren and a Ferrari (Maserati dealer here is also a Jag, Lambo, Rolls, Bentley . . . and re-seller of all other exotics)
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Originally posted by Parcival:
Paul, what's the scoop with that. That's amazing? Has this become a collector's item of sorts? Don't even know if they still make this model


It is pretty limited in production and demand is high. It started as and remains kind of a pet project at Toyota so the car is built way over its price point.

I had some work done on it at a body shop 4 years ago and the guys there told me they were anxious to get it on the lift and see the suspension. They'd just gotten back from the Detroit Auto show and their comment was "It's the best production suspension in the world". It was designed to out do the Jeep Rubicon for trail performance and do it off the lot.

When I bought mine they were cheap. I put every option on it they had at the time and paid $24,500. They now run about $35,000, if you can find them, most dealers have waiting lists. The high resale is really that demand and the increase in price on the new ones. I have no doubt the dealer would get more for it than I paid originally. Mine is also a little more valuable because it's blue. Toyota is retiring colors after they sell 10,000 units.

It's really freaking amazing. I have 120,000 miles and I've replace a fuel pump $300 and put on new tires $1200. Other than that it's only needed regular maintenance. I have a friend with one and he finally had to replace break pads at 150,000 miles.

It's a billy goat in the mountains. I've been passed twice in seven years on the road up to the winery, both times by a Ferrari. It loves to be off road and I've had it in some nasty situations, including backing up 1/2 mile on a single lane dirt track with a trailer on the back in the pouring rain.

I haul grapes with it, it's rated at 5,000 pounds and I usually haul 3000 pounds at a time. I mean you all have nice cars, but there is not one of them that can haul 1 1/2 tons of grapes over 5 miles of dirt road including crossing two streams. I get 19mph all the time. Actually higher when I tow because I'm going slower.

When I had it in for my last oil change I asked my mechanic if he thought I could get 300,000 miles out of it and he said, "Go for 500,000" it should make that."

It's not perfect. I joke it's like driving a moving blind spot. Everyone who owns one dings the bumper on the right rear at least once. If you need luxury, well it's designed with a drain hole in the floor so you can hose it out. Not exactly a luxury feature Smile
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
Paul, what's the scoop with that. That's amazing? Has this become a collector's item of sorts? Don't even know if they still make this model


It is pretty limited in production and demand is high. It started as and remains kind of a pet project at Toyota so the car is built way over its price point.

I had some work done on it at a body shop 4 years ago and the guys there told me they were anxious to get it on the lift and see the suspension. They'd just gotten back from the Detroit Auto show and their comment was "It's the best production suspension in the world". It was designed to out do the Jeep Rubicon for trail performance and do it off the lot.

When I bought mine they were cheap. I put every option on it they had at the time and paid $24,500. They now run about $35,000, if you can find them, most dealers have waiting lists. The high resale is really that demand and the increase in price on the new ones. I have no doubt the dealer would get more for it than I paid originally. Mine is also a little more valuable because it's blue. Toyota is retiring colors after they sell 10,000 units.

It's really freaking amazing. I have 120,000 miles and I've replace a fuel pump $300 and put on new tires $1200. Other than that it's only needed regular maintenance. I have a friend with one and he finally had to replace break pads at 150,000 miles.

It's a billy goat in the mountains. I've been passed twice in seven years on the road up to the winery, both times by a Ferrari. It loves to be off road and I've had it in some nasty situations, including backing up 1/2 mile on a single lane dirt track with a trailer on the back in the pouring rain.

I haul grapes with it, it's rated at 5,000 pounds and I usually haul 3000 pounds at a time. I mean you all have nice cars, but there is not one of them that can haul 1 1/2 tons of grapes over 5 miles of dirt road including crossing two streams. I get 19mph all the time. Actually higher when I tow because I'm going slower.

When I had it in for my last oil change I asked my mechanic if he thought I could get 300,000 miles out of it and he said, "Go for 500,000" it should make that."

It's not perfect. I joke it's like driving a moving blind spot. Everyone who owns one dings the bumper on the right rear at least once. If you need luxury, well it's designed with a drain hole in the floor so you can hose it out. Not exactly a luxury feature Smile


Hah, I actually got a similar offer from my dealer on my Scion.
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


I'll gladly take you up on that offer!


Can I hitch a ride in the trunk? Well, actually that would put me in the front of the vehicle...
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Originally posted by Eb56:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


I'll gladly take you up on that offer!


Can I hitch a ride in the trunk? Well, actually that would put me in the front of the vehicle...


front or back

engine is attached directly to the back wheel axel
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Eb56:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


I'll gladly take you up on that offer!


Can I hitch a ride in the trunk? Well, actually that would put me in the front of the vehicle...


front or back

engine is attached directly to the back wheel axel

Yea, we can get EB56 in the front, g-man I'm the back.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Eb56:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


I'll gladly take you up on that offer!


Can I hitch a ride in the trunk? Well, actually that would put me in the front of the vehicle...


front or back

engine is attached directly to the back wheel axel

Yea, we can get EB56 in the front, g-man I'm the back.


Since the trunks are taken, I call shotgun.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
Picked up a new Audi Q5 3.0 this week. More room for the car seat and all the little ones other stuff compared to my little Acura and enough speed that its still fun to drive. Very happy with it so far.


Look at who is getting all domesticated! Razz

I have a friend who bought one a few weeks ago. He drives like an old lady so I doubt the car will ever hit 60 mph.

Hope it serves you well.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I drove the Macan as well. It was fun to drive obviously, but it was a little to small for what we needed.


Test drove the Macan turbo ~4 weeks ago. Incredibly fast for such a heavy car and handles much more like a sedan than a mini-SUV. Strongly considering this

We currently have the Q5 3.0 (first model year) and have loved all 4 years of this car so far.
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I drove the Macan as well. It was fun to drive obviously, but it was a little to small for what we needed.


Test drove the Macan turbo ~4 weeks ago. Incredibly fast for such a heavy car and handles much more like a sedan than a mini-SUV. Strongly considering this

We currently have the Q5 3.0 (first model year) and have loved all 4 years of this car so far.


Just bought the Q5 for my wife a few weeks ago, and I'm jealous. Love the way it drives and perfect for us and our 2 young boys.

She won the 'I'm not a minivan mom' battle, but now has nothing to say about my purchases Winner

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