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Francesco?

I've never met him but certainly would be a great guy to know. My mechanic is going to be in charge of their classics department (I think they are the only dealer in the GTA with one). He used to be a race mechanic for the factory at Le Mans etc. Kind of annoying as it makes servicing my car more expensive now with dealer rates!
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
Francesco?

I've never met him but certainly would be a great guy to know. My mechanic is going to be in charge of their classics department (I think they are the only dealer in the GTA with one). He used to be a race mechanic for the factory at Le Mans etc. Kind of annoying as it makes servicing my car more expensive now with dealer rates!


I feel for you Rob, Joe Rocco at DFC used to take care of my 930 and now he's at Audi now.....Sighhhhh
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Originally posted by aav28:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
Francesco?

I've never met him but certainly would be a great guy to know. My mechanic is going to be in charge of their classics department (I think they are the only dealer in the GTA with one). He used to be a race mechanic for the factory at Le Mans etc. Kind of annoying as it makes servicing my car more expensive now with dealer rates!


I feel for you Rob, Joe Rocco at DFC used to take care of my 930 and now he's at Audi now.....Sighhhhh


I didn't know you were a Porsche guy! If you still have it, Jay Lloyds my mechanic is quite simply the best old turbo guy in the country. He's also fluent in Chinese (lived & married in HK for about 20 yrs). He will be going to the Oakville dealer but would still try to talk you into one of his 600bhp engines... Devilish
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I wish I owned Tesla stock over the past year. It is up 350% this year and the company is now valued at $20 billion.

I would short tesla... It is a hype stock right now. I only gave people two stock tips this year: 1) buy Netflix at $60 and two weeks ago I said buy American Airlines at $2.60... Up 11% today alone to $3.40


hows that TSLA short working for you?
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Originally posted by finz:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I wish I owned Tesla stock over the past year. It is up 350% this year and the company is now valued at $20 billion.

I would short tesla... It is a hype stock right now. I only gave people two stock tips this year: 1) buy Netflix at $60 and two weeks ago I said buy American Airlines at $2.60... Up 11% today alone to $3.40


hows that TSLA short working for you?

Bought the Model S and could not be happier. Best car ever and I love it... Still hate the financials! Smile
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
BMW 4-series gran coupe coming in about 6 weeks as is the Porsche Macan. Neither unfortunately comes with a manual transmission but there is hope that European delivery of the BMW can get you the manual

Looking forward to test driving both of these smaller vehicles

2 cars? Life is good! Congrats!


Unfortunately, it's a one or the other choice. The shortlist for now is:

BMW 535xi
BMX 435xi gran coupe
Porsche Macan
Maserati Ghibli
Audi S6 (maybe S7 but I'm not totally sold on the body style quite yet. I like it sometimes and othertimes just don't)

I drive cars into the ground and have never had to pay a lot of maintenance costs ... worried this may rule the Maserati out
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
BMW 4-series gran coupe coming in about 6 weeks as is the Porsche Macan. Neither unfortunately comes with a manual transmission but there is hope that European delivery of the BMW can get you the manual

Looking forward to test driving both of these smaller vehicles

2 cars? Life is good! Congrats!


Unfortunately, it's a one or the other choice. The shortlist for now is:

BMW 535xi
BMX 435xi gran coupe
Porsche Macan
Maserati Ghibli
Audi S6 (maybe S7 but I'm not totally sold on the body style quite yet. I like it sometimes and othertimes just don't)

I drive cars into the ground and have never had to pay a lot of maintenance costs ... worried this may rule the Maserati out

All the Germans will require fairly expensive maintenance / fixing small - moderate sized problems relative to Japanese cars, but they should also all provide hundreds of thousands of miles of fun if well cared for. I would get an extended warranty just due to the price of small things on German cars (eg. new fuel pump? $2k) but I wouldn't worry about their durability. I would, however, worry about the Maserati under high milage / hard driving, as well. Maserati is claiming this will be a daily-driver that can handle high milage with ease -- but there is no data yet confirming this claim and lots of counter data points.
I gave the Maserati a good going over last week and my verdict is stay away unless you are doing short term leasing and have no children. It's a flimsy car and as pretty as it is, I wouldn't do it, I have the feeling they will (very unfortunately) be yet another in the string of Maser lemons that fall apart.

The Macan is a Q5 but the rear is smaller. I have a 3.5 year old and he would be claustrophobic in the back. Still Porsche will sell a lot of them and again, no kids, want to sit high and need/want a small SUV, it suits well.

If you want something small and fun what about a GLA45 or CLA45?
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
I would get an extended warranty just due to the price of small things on German cars (eg. new fuel pump? $2k) but I wouldn't worry about their durability.


Bentley's manual for your car, 100$
tools to swap out a fuel pump 50$
bmw fuel pump 130$
porsche fuel pump 250$
rubber rings, seals - 20$
total time spent 2 hrs.
-You are getting ripped off it it's anywhere near 2k$

the bmw's are a bit easier to get around the hood than the vw/audi's. vw/audis pack the parts so close together you can tack on another 2 hrs to do any sort of work. things like hoses/belts are a huge pain on the vw/audis
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
I'm really digging the Audi Allroad, but a part of me can't pull the trigger on a station wagon until we have kids.

The MB e63 wagon would change your mind... As a single guy I would drive that beauty.


+1 Even my E500 wagon is fast. And totally not emasculating (I'm being honest). Hot wagons are the coolest car in Europe, kids or no. Jag just announced their XFR-S wagon to add to the RS6/E63/M5 fight.

I would also look at Alpina. You can buy them from certain BMW dealers in the US now and they are a lot of car. An allrad (all wheel drive) D3 (350hp diesel with 516ft.lbs) or B3 (410hp gas turbo) touring wagon would be a sweet little car. A D5 Touring would be even better. And I think you can get them with a stick.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
I'm really digging the Audi Allroad, but a part of me can't pull the trigger on a station wagon until we have kids.

The MB e63 wagon would change your mind... As a single guy I would drive that beauty.


love this car - came very close the last time
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


I'll gladly take you up on that offer!
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
BMW 4-series gran coupe coming in about 6 weeks as is the Porsche Macan. Neither unfortunately comes with a manual transmission but there is hope that European delivery of the BMW can get you the manual

Looking forward to test driving both of these smaller vehicles

2 cars? Life is good! Congrats!


Unfortunately, it's a one or the other choice. The shortlist for now is:

BMW 535xi
BMX 435xi gran coupe
Porsche Macan
Maserati Ghibli
Audi S6 (maybe S7 but I'm not totally sold on the body style quite yet. I like it sometimes and othertimes just don't)

I drive cars into the ground and have never had to pay a lot of maintenance costs ... worried this may rule the Maserati out

All the Germans will require fairly expensive maintenance / fixing small - moderate sized problems relative to Japanese cars, but they should also all provide hundreds of thousands of miles of fun if well cared for. I would get an extended warranty just due to the price of small things on German cars (eg. new fuel pump? $2k) but I wouldn't worry about their durability. I would, however, worry about the Maserati under high milage / hard driving, as well. Maserati is claiming this will be a daily-driver that can handle high milage with ease -- but there is no data yet confirming this claim and lots of counter data points.


Winetarelli, this was my expectation as well for all German cars. But, as a counter-point . . . I had an 8 year old Audi A4 that I finally sold with 110,000 miles. Literally no maintenance costs other than tires and 2 sets of breaks across the lifespan of the car. Now in an 8 year old 335xi with 85,000 miles and no issues at all (fingers crossed).


But, I may be extraordinarily lucky and agree that ultimately there is a trade-off here -- shear driving fun or practicality. At my age, I'm still pursuing that shear driving fun factor because with 2 young kids now, driving alone in my car is one of the few joys I can consistently rely on each week!
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I gave the Maserati a good going over last week and my verdict is stay away unless you are doing short term leasing and have no children. It's a flimsy car and as pretty as it is, I wouldn't do it, I have the feeling they will (very unfortunately) be yet another in the string of Maser lemons that fall apart.

The Macan is a Q5 but the rear is smaller. I have a 3.5 year old and he would be claustrophobic in the back. Still Porsche will sell a lot of them and again, no kids, want to sit high and need/want a small SUV, it suits well.

If you want something small and fun what about a GLA45 or CLA45?


Rob . . . what's the issue you ran into with the Maserati? I test drove the Ghibli but only for ~90 minutes. Obviously, there's a lot that goes unnoticed in that short a period of time, but interested to hear what signs you picked up on that suggest poor durability
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


TPE . . . I had a very brief test-drive in the Tesla model just under your model (the "middle" engine). Even with this less powerful engine, the acceleration was mind boggling

My only hang-up -- the interior. I'm a traditionalist when it comes to interiors and love the soft leathers and wood grains that BMW, Audi, and Mercedes pile their cars with.

One other potential hang-up that the Tesla "store" told me was not an issue-- rear wheel drive in Boston? I've been told the weight distribution is nearly 50/50 so this should do well in the snow, but do you have any practical experience testing this out?
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Originally posted by Parcival:


One other potential hang-up that the Tesla "store" told me was not an issue-- rear wheel drive in Boston? I've been told the weight distribution is nearly 50/50 so this should do well in the snow, but do you have any practical experience testing this out?


yea, it's called good luck

i believe only the top model has dual drive engines in front and back bay
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Parcival- get the model S. Seriously, you will love it. Maintenance is practically non-existent, plenty of room with front and rear trunks, and just an incredible drive. Next time you are out in SF, you can take mine for a nice drive up to napa, and you will be hooked.


TPE . . . I had a very brief test-drive in the Tesla model just under your model (the "middle" engine). Even with this less powerful engine, the acceleration was mind boggling

My only hang-up -- the interior. I'm a traditionalist when it comes to interiors and love the soft leathers and wood grains that BMW, Audi, and Mercedes pile their cars with.

One other potential hang-up that the Tesla "store" told me was not an issue-- rear wheel drive in Boston? I've been told the weight distribution is nearly 50/50 so this should do well in the snow, but do you have any practical experience testing this out?

I took it up to Tahoe a couple weeks ago in a snow storm, and as the chp was pulling cars over for chains, once I got to the checkpoint, the officer said I was completely fine to drive. It handled like a champ. As for the interior, I consider Audi to be the standard-bearer amongst German cars, and I love te interior of mine every bit as much as the interior of most Audis (the gorgeous, fully carboned s8 parked next to me at the gym notwithstanding). I will text you some pics of my interior later this evening.
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I gave the Maserati a good going over last week and my verdict is stay away unless you are doing short term leasing and have no children. It's a flimsy car and as pretty as it is, I wouldn't do it, I have the feeling they will (very unfortunately) be yet another in the string of Maser lemons that fall apart.

The Macan is a Q5 but the rear is smaller. I have a 3.5 year old and he would be claustrophobic in the back. Still Porsche will sell a lot of them and again, no kids, want to sit high and need/want a small SUV, it suits well.

If you want something small and fun what about a GLA45 or CLA45?


Rob . . . what's the issue you ran into with the Maserati? I test drove the Ghibli but only for ~90 minutes. Obviously, there's a lot that goes unnoticed in that short a period of time, but interested to hear what signs you picked up on that suggest poor durability


I'll write more tomorrow when I'm not on my iPad but the gauge of the sheet metal is very thin, the doors were poorly done, the door handles were already loose and close to broken. The interior had had a number of people going through it but it was already worn.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:

Bought the Model S and could not be happier. Best car ever and I love it... Still hate the financials! Smile


Good looking car TPE! Saw one of these take off from the line in Newport Beach. My jaw dropped when I saw how quickly that thing could move.

Just picked up a new Honda CR-V for the nanny to tote the kids around. The little one was putting shoe marks on my leather seats. Wink
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Originally posted by Wine doc:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:

Bought the Model S and could not be happier. Best car ever and I love it... Still hate the financials! Smile


Good looking car TPE! Saw one of these take off from the line in Newport Beach. My jaw dropped when I saw how quickly that thing could move.

Just picked up a new Honda CR-V for the nanny to tote the kids around. The little one was putting shoe marks on my leather seats. Wink

thanks buddy... i got the p85 and it is scary fast at times. Congrats on the CR-V... glad your leather seats will be safe going forward.
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
still humming along with the FJ. I did get a letter from Toyota though offering to buy the now 7 year old 120,000 mile car back from me at 85% of what I paid for it 7 years ago. By my math that makes the effective cost of the vehicle for the past 7 years $50.59 a month. My kind of car payment.

outside of insurance, i don't have a car payment.... i don't even have to pay for gas. =) but that is amazing resale value on the FJ... they never stay on a lot for longer than 2 days.
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I gave the Maserati a good going over last week and my verdict is stay away unless you are doing short term leasing and have no children. It's a flimsy car and as pretty as it is, I wouldn't do it, I have the feeling they will (very unfortunately) be yet another in the string of Maser lemons that fall apart.

The Macan is a Q5 but the rear is smaller. I have a 3.5 year old and he would be claustrophobic in the back. Still Porsche will sell a lot of them and again, no kids, want to sit high and need/want a small SUV, it suits well.

If you want something small and fun what about a GLA45 or CLA45?


Rob . . . what's the issue you ran into with the Maserati? I test drove the Ghibli but only for ~90 minutes. Obviously, there's a lot that goes unnoticed in that short a period of time, but interested to hear what signs you picked up on that suggest poor durability


I'll write more tomorrow when I'm not on my iPad but the gauge of the sheet metal is very thin, the doors were poorly done, the door handles were already loose and close to broken. The interior had had a number of people going through it but it was already worn.


Just to add a little more colour, the suspension was a little rough (not firm and sporty, more just a bad case of poorly set-up dampers, it came into its own on good fast back roads). The gearbox, which is the best auto around and used by jag, aston martin etc. is again set-up poorly. Slow shifts, a little hesitant etc. You can't tell it's the same transmission as used elsewhere. The steering is also absolutely dead.

The car could be a lot better than it is (and will probably evolve to be that way) but the engineers took great parts off the shelf and set them up poorly. The Alfa 4C apparently suffers from the same fate (esp. the steering). It's been deadened and slowed down.

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