Unfortunately the business case for EVs is currently still not a very good one, and demand is not yet THAT high despite all the press hype. Every manufacturer is moving in this direction, but more widespread adoption of EVs is most likely going to be driven by market access issues and not demand.
The idiots at VW were really effective in killing diesel, which is now on its way out in Europe at least (it'll take years still). But more importantly, European cities and gradually countries are starting to announce bans on combustion engines. Cities and Municipalities in China are starting to do the same....and over there they will probably flick the switch overnight and won't give manufacturers years worth of notice.
The fear of suddenly being shut out of markets like Beijing, Shanghai, etc. is what will accelerate EV introduction.
When it comes to autonomous vehicles, it all depends how you define the word. Tesla has been unbelievably reckless in claiming autonomous capabilities. I believe they have stage 3 autonomous tech, which is similar to what you would find in various other high end cars. No engineers at other companies would have claimed what Tesla did, and guess what, it resulted in death. Real autonomous cars the way the general public thinks of them when they hear the word (stage 5, requiring zero driver input or attention) are still a long way off. Big issues are not only technical but also ethical - I.e. who makes the decisions on how to program an autonomous car to react in critical situations, and what should the cars be programmed to prioritize especially when they share the road with non-autonomous vehicles (e.g. Should they car swerve left to avoid a human crossing the road and hit a truck, thereby saving the pedestrian but killing the passenger?).
Anyway, very exciting times in the industry.
quote:Originally posted by shavez:
Unfortunately the business case for EVs is currently still not a very good one, and demand is not yet THAT high despite all the press hype. Every manufacturer is moving in this direction, but more widespread adoption of EVs is most likely going to be driven by market access issues and not demand.
The idiots at VW were really effective in killing diesel, which is now on its way out in Europe at least (it'll take years still). But more importantly, European cities and gradually countries are starting to announce bans on combustion engines. Cities and Municipalities in China are starting to do the same....and over there they will probably flick the switch overnight and won't give manufacturers years worth of notice.
The fear of suddenly being shut out of markets like Beijing, Shanghai, etc. is what will accelerate EV introduction.
When it comes to autonomous vehicles, it all depends how you define the word. Tesla has been unbelievably reckless in claiming autonomous capabilities. I believe they have stage 3 autonomous tech, which is similar to what you would find in various other high end cars. No engineers at other companies would have claimed what Tesla did, and guess what, it resulted in death. Real autonomous cars the way the general public thinks of them when they hear the word (stage 5, requiring zero driver input or attention) are still a long way off. Big issues are not only technical but also ethical - I.e. who makes the decisions on how to program an autonomous car to react in critical situations, and what should the cars be programmed to prioritize especially when they share the road with non-autonomous vehicles (e.g. Should they car swerve left to avoid a human crossing the road and hit a truck, thereby saving the pedestrian but killing the passenger?).
Anyway, very exciting times in the industry.
I was wondering when you would jump in!
quote:Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
You might even see a change in ownership of vehicles.
I forgot to mention ownership. This is already changing. Fewer kids (and young adults for that matter) are even interested in getting drivers licenses. Car sharing and, increasingly, ride sharing services provide sufficient mobility for many, especially in cities that also have good public transit. That lowers costs a lot for people with limited incomes... So it is common sense for car ownership to decline in cities, and this will only accelerate as sharing services improve and offer mobility more or less on demand.
And beyond these facts, owning a car (or anything about cars for that matter) is just not as cool as it used to be for many, especially those under 25 years old.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
I was wondering when you would jump in!
Looking at the Infiniti QX60. Anyone have one?
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
Looking at the Infiniti QX60. Anyone have one?
I was considering buying a Q60. I know it is a completely different body style vs the QX60, but the Q60 drives & handles real nice. The main issue for me proved to be the thought of squeezing into the rear seat to clean the rear window - which seemed best left to acrobats.
The other thing I didn't care for was the blind-spot detection system. It warned me about a vehicle's presence barely in time to prevent a collision (but possibly not a heart attack). I asked if it was possible to adjust the sensitivity of the system and got a negative answer. I suspect that this system might be the same for all their models, so you might see what you think of it on the one you are considering buying.
when the new VW microbus comes out
I will be first in line!
I will be first in line!
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
Looking at the Infiniti QX60. Anyone have one?
Two MB’s for us J, but our Santa Fe neighbor has one and she loves it. She has the AWD.
I’m getting ready to be in the market for a second car and am actually at a bit of a loss as to what to get.
We have a MB ML350 diesel which handles the majority of our family driving. We need something though that can fit our 7 and 3 year olds along with their car/booster seats but for cross town trips not hours long trips. Also has to be useable during the winter (but that’s a low bar, outside of snow days I’d daily drive a Ferrari if I had a chance). So it doesn’t need to be exceptionally practicable and I prefer rare/unique/interesting (though not something that is going to make my mechanic happier than me). Really its main use would be something nice for my wife and I to drive in to work together with every day, for those other times when it’s just my wife and I going somewhere and have the ability to pick up or drop off the boys when two cars are needed.
Would prefer used (love someone else’s depreciation) but would prefer being able to lease/finance. Budget is about $40-60k. I”ve been thinking hard about a 911, maybe a BMW 6 series Grande Coupe, a smaller battery Tesla S…
What else should I be looking at?
We have a MB ML350 diesel which handles the majority of our family driving. We need something though that can fit our 7 and 3 year olds along with their car/booster seats but for cross town trips not hours long trips. Also has to be useable during the winter (but that’s a low bar, outside of snow days I’d daily drive a Ferrari if I had a chance). So it doesn’t need to be exceptionally practicable and I prefer rare/unique/interesting (though not something that is going to make my mechanic happier than me). Really its main use would be something nice for my wife and I to drive in to work together with every day, for those other times when it’s just my wife and I going somewhere and have the ability to pick up or drop off the boys when two cars are needed.
Would prefer used (love someone else’s depreciation) but would prefer being able to lease/finance. Budget is about $40-60k. I”ve been thinking hard about a 911, maybe a BMW 6 series Grande Coupe, a smaller battery Tesla S…
What else should I be looking at?
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
Looking at the Infiniti QX60. Anyone have one?
Two MB’s for us J, but our Santa Fe neighbor has one and she loves it. She has the AWD.
Thanks on the vine and W+A. We want the 3rd row availability since the kids are getting are getting older. It seems to hit the sweet spot between the "luxury" suvs and not being crazy expensive to lease. Its actually less than the Acura MDX, Volks Atlas and Toyota Highlander.
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
Looking at the Infiniti QX60. Anyone have one?
Two MB’s for us J, but our Santa Fe neighbor has one and she loves it. She has the AWD.
Thanks on the vine and W+A. We want the 3rd row availability since the kids are getting are getting older. It seems to hit the sweet spot between the "luxury" suvs and not being crazy expensive to lease. Its actually less than the Acura MDX, Volks Atlas and Toyota Highlander.
The Mrs. has a 2010 QX56 that is getting long in the tooth, but she's had it since almost new.
She came from an MDX and we were a long time Acura family.
The long and short of it was/is that MDX drove like a luxury sedan and the QX56 drove like a Mack truck. It still does. It's a beast, and it sounds like a beast. I'm always surprised it doesn't beep when you put in reverse. I refer to it as "the boat". At the time she wanted the biggest thing out there to deal with Atlanta traffic shuttling the kids back and forth to school. She fell in love with the neighbor's Lexus SUV boat and when I came home from a business trip one time she had already been to the dealers and bought one.
More to your question. I hate it, it's a good looking vehicle from the outside, but the fit and finish and luxuriousness paled compared to the Acuras IMO. It has been reliable, its only been in the past year that it has needed anything other than regular maintenance. It was is our first Infinity and I can't see us getting another one. It is big and you can load the entire family and a pair of dogs into it though.
I'd definitely suggest a same day test drive between your contenders.
Interesting that you call it too big. I was very worried about that so I looked up the specs when I started shopping and it was only 6 inches longer than our current Jeep Grand Cherokee. When I did my test drive it didn't feel too big.
Im resigned to something bigger but didn't want to go the Escalade or QX80 route. That's too big for me. At least we aren't getting a minivan.
I do have some sticker shock. Im not a big car person. As long as it gets me from point A to point B and has AC Im good so I keep my cars a long time. I'm 41, have owned a car since I was 16 and have only had 3 cars. When I bought my last one in 2008 it was right after everything had crashed and I got a loaded Jeep Grand Cherokee for $20K. I haven't had a car payment for 4 years. Not looking forward to that again.
Im resigned to something bigger but didn't want to go the Escalade or QX80 route. That's too big for me. At least we aren't getting a minivan.
I do have some sticker shock. Im not a big car person. As long as it gets me from point A to point B and has AC Im good so I keep my cars a long time. I'm 41, have owned a car since I was 16 and have only had 3 cars. When I bought my last one in 2008 it was right after everything had crashed and I got a loaded Jeep Grand Cherokee for $20K. I haven't had a car payment for 4 years. Not looking forward to that again.
Funny this thread should get bumped. Just bought PURPLE a 2018 Mercedes Benz GLC300. Nice car. Fully loaded including the new driver assist. Smooth ride. She'll enjoy her commute to work a bit more now.
I think the Q56 and Q60 are quite different animals with the Q60 more the size of the Highlander/Grand Cherokee?
I have had the Highlander for three years and it has been problem free. Its not an exciting car to drive like the BMW X5, but its useful.
We had a Sequoia in Utah and it was a beast, we traded it in for an Outback which is fun to drive.
I have had the Highlander for three years and it has been problem free. Its not an exciting car to drive like the BMW X5, but its useful.
We had a Sequoia in Utah and it was a beast, we traded it in for an Outback which is fun to drive.
quote:Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
I think the Q56 and Q60 are quite different animals with the Q60 more the size of the Highlander/Grand Cherokee?
I just looked at the QX56 and it looks like that is now the QX80. That thing is a boat. I took one look at it in the showroom and said no.
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
Interesting that you call it too big. I was very worried about that so I looked up the specs when I started shopping and it was only 6 inches longer than our current Jeep Grand Cherokee. When I did my test drive it didn't feel too big.
Im resigned to something bigger but didn't want to go the Escalade or QX80 route. That's too big for me. At least we aren't getting a minivan.
I do have some sticker shock. Im not a big car person. As long as it gets me from point A to point B and has AC Im good so I keep my cars a long time. I'm 41, have owned a car since I was 16 and have only had 3 cars. When I bought my last one in 2008 it was right after everything had crashed and I got a loaded Jeep Grand Cherokee for $20K. I haven't had a car payment for 4 years. Not looking forward to that again.
Then maybe you should be heading for an MDX. The car is a bit more expensive than some of its competitors, but you get your money back over the long haul. We had a 2002 MDX that went for over 300K with little repair issues until I hit a deer one night. The result was a draw - i.e. neither the car nor the deer survived the impact.
quote:Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I’m getting ready to be in the market for a second car and am actually at a bit of a loss as to what to get.
We have a MB ML350 diesel which handles the majority of our family driving. We need something though that can fit our 7 and 3 year olds along with their car/booster seats but for cross town trips not hours long trips. Also has to be useable during the winter (but that’s a low bar, outside of snow days I’d daily drive a Ferrari if I had a chance). So it doesn’t need to be exceptionally practicable and I prefer rare/unique/interesting (though not something that is going to make my mechanic happier than me). Really its main use would be something nice for my wife and I to drive in to work together with every day, for those other times when it’s just my wife and I going somewhere and have the ability to pick up or drop off the boys when two cars are needed.
Would prefer used (love someone else’s depreciation) but would prefer being able to lease/finance. Budget is about $40-60k. I”ve been thinking hard about a 911, maybe a BMW 6 series Grande Coupe, a smaller battery Tesla S…
What else should I be looking at?
Maserati
quote:Originally posted by vinoevelo:quote:Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I’m getting ready to be in the market for a second car and am actually at a bit of a loss as to what to get.
We have a MB ML350 diesel which handles the majority of our family driving. We need something though that can fit our 7 and 3 year olds along with their car/booster seats but for cross town trips not hours long trips. Also has to be useable during the winter (but that’s a low bar, outside of snow days I’d daily drive a Ferrari if I had a chance). So it doesn’t need to be exceptionally practicable and I prefer rare/unique/interesting (though not something that is going to make my mechanic happier than me). Really its main use would be something nice for my wife and I to drive in to work together with every day, for those other times when it’s just my wife and I going somewhere and have the ability to pick up or drop off the boys when two cars are needed.
Would prefer used (love someone else’s depreciation) but would prefer being able to lease/finance. Budget is about $40-60k. I”ve been thinking hard about a 911, maybe a BMW 6 series Grande Coupe, a smaller battery Tesla S…
What else should I be looking at?
Maserati
Can we get Mangiare to get one too and all go in procession?
And I knew you would say that by the way. Wonder why??
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
Looking at the Infiniti QX60. Anyone have one?
Full disclosure, I work for Nissan/Infiniti. Drove the QX60 as my demo for 6 months and I really liked it, but it was too big for my needs, so I'm not sure I'd get another. I also drove a Pathfinder for 6 months and at the top trim for each vehicle, there is no meaningful difference between the two IMO, so I'm not sure I'd pay the premium for the Infiniti. If you can wait for a bit and don't need something so big, the 2019 QX50, which should be available this summer, is a gorgeous vehicle and something I'd buy in a heartbeat over the QX60.
CSM, does the QX50 have the third row option?
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
CSM, does the QX50 have the third row option?
i think that's a cross over. probably wouldnt fit big guy like you.
quote:Originally posted by g-man:quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
CSM, does the QX50 have the third row option?
i think that's a cross over. probably wouldnt fit big guy like you.
Its for Kim, not me.
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
CSM, does the QX50 have the third row option?
It will not have a third row. Supposed to have class-leading cargo space, but no third row of seats is my understanding.
quote:Originally posted by wineismylife:
Funny this thread should get bumped. Just bought PURPLE a 2018 Mercedes Benz GLC300. Nice car. Fully loaded including the new driver assist. Smooth ride. She'll enjoy her commute to work a bit more now.
Joe, PURPLE should love that car. I drove one recently and while a skosh too small for me, I really liked it.
quote:Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I’m getting ready to be in the market for a second car and am actually at a bit of a loss as to what to get.
We have a MB ML350 diesel which handles the majority of our family driving. We need something though that can fit our 7 and 3 year olds along with their car/booster seats but for cross town trips not hours long trips. Also has to be useable during the winter (but that’s a low bar, outside of snow days I’d daily drive a Ferrari if I had a chance). So it doesn’t need to be exceptionally practicable and I prefer rare/unique/interesting (though not something that is going to make my mechanic happier than me). Really its main use would be something nice for my wife and I to drive in to work together with every day, for those other times when it’s just my wife and I going somewhere and have the ability to pick up or drop off the boys when two cars are needed.
Would prefer used (love someone else’s depreciation) but would prefer being able to lease/finance. Budget is about $40-60k. I”ve been thinking hard about a 911, maybe a BMW 6 series Grande Coupe, a smaller battery Tesla S…
What else should I be looking at?
Long diatribe below, so my short list right now:
-Porsche Macan
-Audi S7
-Audi S5 sportback
-Mercedes C450
-waiting to see latest generation BMW M5 (to see if it's worth waiting 3 years for off-lease pricing)
Have test-driven the 6-series Grande Coupe. It's a fantastic and very luxurious car but you feel it's heft and length on the road (which I did not care for).
Like you I've contemplated a 911. Would love a Carrera 4S to get the AWD in there. have test driven one a love it, but always wind up with this nagging thought that it's just too impractical for a daily driver (which it would be for me).
That said, sounds like we're in a similar boat, so I'll share what I've been looking at and test driving:
-Porsche Macan: love this car. But my wife has an Audi Q5 for family trips and the Porsche Macan -though it looks smaller- is actually the same size. Not opposed to having two SUVs but seems overkill. That said, this car was so fun to drive it's still on my radar. I'm waiting to see the gen2 version that doesn't have such an over-buttony console
-Audi S5 Sportback: like the look. Fun drive, but for some reason they left off the dual clutch system that Porsche has adopted on all their cars and is on the S7. Shifting felt a tad clunkier than I would have liked for a $60k car. Still on my radar, waiting for next generation
-Audi S7 or used RS7: phenomenal car. Not sure that I'll ever splurge for an RS7 (even used you're looking at ~$90k) but love the S7. In a goldilocks position with this. It feels a little bigger than I want or need for a daily driver and the S5 feels a little too small
-BMW 440xi grand coupe: love the look and drives well. BMW is losing a little of its sporty feel in the drive quality though so while still under consideration, this is falling off my radar
-BMW 550xi (or better, upcoming M5 with AWD). M5 is >$100,000k but want to test drive it when it arrives to see if it is worth waiting another 3 years until the first model years come off of lease. Gorgeous car. Again, recent 5 models have lost some of the BMW drive feel that made the brand famous so want to see if they got their mojo back
-Jaguar (3-series and 5-series sizes; forget the lettering they use . . . XF for one of them I think). So, I really liked both of these cars. They drive solid, but they just did not stand out from the crowd of other great cars in this price range and their styling seems a little sedate to me
-Mercedes C450: love this car. Great ride, fast, great handling. This is a strong contender
-Maserati Ghibli: love the look of this car. Rough ride, plasticky inside, and had a friend who owned and then sold one at a fairly steep loss after only 2 years of ownership. Great body; great engine; sloppy, careless interior done on the cheap. Off list
-Infiniti 3-series and 5-series size cars: Again, forget the numbers/lettering they use. Off my list. Both felt cramped versus their EU counterparts. Did not like the feel of the ride as much as that of a BMW or Audi. Off list
-Lexus and Acura: I want to love these cars (again 3-series and 5-series sizes) because I always hear how reliable they are. Just don't like the look. Off list
What about an older S-series avant? or an '87 AMG Hammer (FWIW - I think this suits you)?
quote:Originally posted by Parcival:quote:Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I’m getting ready to be in the market for a second car and am actually at a bit of a loss as to what to get.
We have a MB ML350 diesel which handles the majority of our family driving. We need something though that can fit our 7 and 3 year olds along with their car/booster seats but for cross town trips not hours long trips. Also has to be useable during the winter (but that’s a low bar, outside of snow days I’d daily drive a Ferrari if I had a chance). So it doesn’t need to be exceptionally practicable and I prefer rare/unique/interesting (though not something that is going to make my mechanic happier than me). Really its main use would be something nice for my wife and I to drive in to work together with every day, for those other times when it’s just my wife and I going somewhere and have the ability to pick up or drop off the boys when two cars are needed.
Would prefer used (love someone else’s depreciation) but would prefer being able to lease/finance. Budget is about $40-60k. I”ve been thinking hard about a 911, maybe a BMW 6 series Grande Coupe, a smaller battery Tesla S…
What else should I be looking at?
Long diatribe below, so my short list right now:
-Porsche Macan
-Audi S7
-Audi S5 sportback
-Mercedes C450
-waiting to see latest generation BMW M5 (to see if it's worth waiting 3 years for off-lease pricing)
Have test-driven the 6-series Grande Coupe. It's a fantastic and very luxurious car but you feel it's heft and length on the road (which I did not care for).
Like you I've contemplated a 911. Would love a Carrera 4S to get the AWD in there. have test driven one a love it, but always wind up with this nagging thought that it's just too impractical for a daily driver (which it would be for me).
That said, sounds like we're in a similar boat, so I'll share what I've been looking at and test driving:
-Porsche Macan: love this car. But my wife has an Audi Q5 for family trips and the Porsche Macan -though it looks smaller- is actually the same size. Not opposed to having two SUVs but seems overkill. That said, this car was so fun to drive it's still on my radar. I'm waiting to see the gen2 version that doesn't have such an over-buttony console
-Audi S5 Sportback: like the look. Fun drive, but for some reason they left off the dual clutch system that Porsche has adopted on all their cars and is on the S7. Shifting felt a tad clunkier than I would have liked for a $60k car. Still on my radar, waiting for next generation
-Audi S7 or used RS7: phenomenal car. Not sure that I'll ever splurge for an RS7 (even used you're looking at ~$90k) but love the S7. In a goldilocks position with this. It feels a little bigger than I want or need for a daily driver and the S5 feels a little too small
-BMW 440xi grand coupe: love the look and drives well. BMW is losing a little of its sporty feel in the drive quality though so while still under consideration, this is falling off my radar
-BMW 550xi (or better, upcoming M5 with AWD). M5 is >$100,000k but want to test drive it when it arrives to see if it is worth waiting another 3 years until the first model years come off of lease. Gorgeous car. Again, recent 5 models have lost some of the BMW drive feel that made the brand famous so want to see if they got their mojo back
-Jaguar (3-series and 5-series sizes; forget the lettering they use . . . XF for one of them I think). So, I really liked both of these cars. They drive solid, but they just did not stand out from the crowd of other great cars in this price range and their styling seems a little sedate to me
-Mercedes C450: love this car. Great ride, fast, great handling. This is a strong contender
-Maserati Ghibli: love the look of this car. Rough ride, plasticky inside, and had a friend who owned and then sold one at a fairly steep loss after only 2 years of ownership. Great body; great engine; sloppy, careless interior done on the cheap. Off list
-Infiniti 3-series and 5-series size cars: Again, forget the numbers/lettering they use. Off my list. Both felt cramped versus their EU counterparts. Did not like the feel of the ride as much as that of a BMW or Audi. Off list
-Lexus and Acura: I want to love these cars (again 3-series and 5-series sizes) because I always hear how reliable they are. Just don't like the look. Off list
Parcival, FWIW - I can help with the S7 “feels a little larger...” issue. Buy one, then add Eurocode end links and sway bars. That simple adjustment (<$1K) makes those cars act/drive like a sports car while still enabling you all the comforts of the S7 or RS7 (well worth the coin if you really want a car that can perform!). Not fast enough? The 4.0T stock version is nowhere near what that engine can put out. Tune it and you’ll be the proud owner of your own rocket ship! Highly recommend the Audi.
Drove the new S5 Sportback as well. Honestly, I wanted to love it, but love that 4.0T engine. The new V6 just isn’t the same.
Not exactly a "test drive" in the sense that I'm in the market; however, I did have a chance to drive my nephew's new Aston Martin V12 Vantage S.
Holy cr@p.
Holy cr@p.
quote:-Mercedes C450: love this car. Great ride, fast, great handling. This is a strong contender
Owned this piece of s%$%
Sun roof rattled like mad!
Ride very uncomfortable
Trunk would not hold golf clubs
Controls hard to use
Minimal console space
Glove box dinky
Tires wore quickly
Now have a 540. None of the above issues
Having just purchased a Condo in Naples we were looking for a 6+ seater with easy access to the 3rd row for our Florida vehicle. This is important as none of our friends are getting any younger or more agile.
We looked at Suburbans, Tahoes, Escalades etc. The ones we looked at all had a raised floor for the 3rd row which made access hard. We finally selected a 2016 GMC Acadia Denali, a model I had never heard of 2 weeks ago. Easy access 7 seater, flat floor all the way through. Have not purchased a GM vehicle for many years. Very pleasent surprise with layout and electronics package. Nice vehicle.
We looked at Suburbans, Tahoes, Escalades etc. The ones we looked at all had a raised floor for the 3rd row which made access hard. We finally selected a 2016 GMC Acadia Denali, a model I had never heard of 2 weeks ago. Easy access 7 seater, flat floor all the way through. Have not purchased a GM vehicle for many years. Very pleasent surprise with layout and electronics package. Nice vehicle.
quote:Originally posted by CSM:quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
Looking at the Infiniti QX60. Anyone have one?
Full disclosure, I work for Nissan/Infiniti. Drove the QX60 as my demo for 6 months and I really liked it, but it was too big for my needs, so I'm not sure I'd get another. I also drove a Pathfinder for 6 months and at the top trim for each vehicle, there is no meaningful difference between the two IMO, so I'm not sure I'd pay the premium for the Infiniti. If you can wait for a bit and don't need something so big, the 2019 QX50, which should be available this summer, is a gorgeous vehicle and something I'd buy in a heartbeat over the QX60.
CSM, can you send me an email at jburman82 at Hotmail?
Although probably meaningless, I did just notice that Consumer Reports listed the QX60 in the list of 10 least satisfying vehicles
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Although probably meaningless, I did just notice that Consumer Reports listed the QX60 in the list of 10 least satisfying vehicles
I was reading the US news report on it and it was 21 out of 23 Luxury SUV's. Then they say it does everything well just not as well as other luxury SUVs but that's why its $200-$400 less a month on a lease.
I drove it and I liked it but Im not done shopping yet.
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Although probably meaningless, I did just notice that Consumer Reports listed the QX60 in the list of 10 least satisfying vehicles
I was reading the US news report on it and it was 21 out of 23 Luxury SUV's. Then they say it does everything well just not as well as other luxury SUVs but that's why its $200-$400 less a month on a lease.
I drove it and I liked it but Im not done shopping yet.
Was in today's paper so I was just passing it along
I just bought and end-of-model-year 2017 Honda Pilot EX-L. I've been a Honda guy for about 15 years and the dealer called to see if I would be willing to sell my '13 Pilot, as used SUV's are in big demand here in Houston. So far I'm really happy with it and the mileage is amazing...much better than my last one.
quote:Originally posted by Dick Tree:
I just bought and end-of-model-year 2017 Honda Pilot EX-L. I've been a Honda guy for about 15 years and the dealer called to see if I would be willing to sell my '13 Pilot, as used SUV's are in big demand here in Houston. So far I'm really happy with it and the mileage is amazing...much better than my last one.
The flood created a massive used car shortage in South Texas for sure.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:quote:Originally posted by Dick Tree:
I just bought and end-of-model-year 2017 Honda Pilot EX-L. I've been a Honda guy for about 15 years and the dealer called to see if I would be willing to sell my '13 Pilot, as used SUV's are in big demand here in Houston. So far I'm really happy with it and the mileage is amazing...much better than my last one.
The flood created a massive used car shortage in South Texas for sure.
On that note, be careful when buying a used car
Its taken me a little while to get around to posting this but with a great deal of help from CSM we got the QX60. CSM was a great resource and even got us a friends and family discount. People like him are what makes this board such a special place.
ya....I like CSM too.
quote:Originally posted by mangiare:
ya....I like CSM too.
I can't remember what he looks like.