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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Going to look at a Nissan GT-R


Honesty board-o if you're looking at spending that kind of money I would look at a used Bentley Continental coupe. Huge power, can fit four adults in comfort with their golf clubs, REALLY comfortable, lots of them in Florida to choose from...


I wouldn't even consider it. I have something now I like better than that. The new GT-R is magnificent
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Going to look at a Nissan GT-R


Honesty board-o if you're looking at spending that kind of money I would look at a used Bentley Continental coupe. Huge power, can fit four adults in comfort with their golf clubs, REALLY comfortable, lots of them in Florida to choose from...


I wouldn't even consider it. I have something now I like better than that. The new GT-R is magnificent


Really?!? Different strokes I guess... I"ve driven all three (not the 2017 GTR but a 2015). I would put fast/lux coupes in the following order:
1) S-Class Coupe
2) California T
3) Bentley
4) DB9 (very attractive prices with the new DB11 coming out)
5) M6
6) Your Cadillac (a great car esp for the price)

87) Getting buggered by a Thai Lady-Man


236) Watching 32 hours of the Lawrence Welk Show straight


418) Nissan GT-R
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Going to look at a Nissan GT-R


Honesty board-o if you're looking at spending that kind of money I would look at a used Bentley Continental coupe. Huge power, can fit four adults in comfort with their golf clubs, REALLY comfortable, lots of them in Florida to choose from...


I wouldn't even consider it. I have something now I like better than that. The new GT-R is magnificent


Really?!? Different strokes I guess... I"ve driven all three (not the 2017 GTR but a 2015). I would put fast/lux coupes in the following order:
1) S-Class Coupe
2) California T
3) Bentley
4) DB9 (very attractive prices with the new DB11 coming out)
5) M6
6) Your Cadillac (a great car esp for the price)

87) Getting buggered by a Thai Lady-Man


236) Watching 32 hours of the Lawrence Welk Show straight


418) Nissan GT-R


just for the record, I will never, ever spend that much $ on a car but in the list above there really is the S-Class Coupe and then the rest.
Ferrari California 0-60 (3.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.0 sec.
Mercedes S63 Coupe 0-60 (3.8 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.2 sec.
BMW M6 0-60 (3.9 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Cadillac CTS-V Coupe 0-60 (4.0 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Bentley Continental 0-60 (4.3 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.7 sec.
Aston Martin DB9 0-60 (4.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.9 sec.

The Bentley, Ferrari, Aston and Cadillac are all the same vintage as yours for this comparison. A new Continental does 0-60 in 4.0 and a California T does it in 3.5. A DBS instead of more base model DB9 does it in 4.1.

Handling is a personal thing but the Ferrari is by far the fastest, sportiest and best handler. BTW Car & Driver tested the CTS-V Coupe and the M6 in the same test and the lap times were 3:04.2 and 3:04.7. Neither would be as fast as the California on a track and both would be a little faster (1-1.5 sec) than the Continental and S-Coupe.

Obviously the GT-R is a different beast and it's apples to grapefruit.

While I have never owned a GT-R, my thoughts above more than portray my feelings, I would never recommend one to a friend.
How many gas stations can you pass in any of these cars before you need to refuel? Big Grin

Insurance cost must be terrific.

Of course if you can afford these beasts you don't worry about that.

One thing you need to consider [seriously] is the maintenance cost. The Ferrari engine needs a tune up every few thousand miles, and that is a few thousand bucks each time.
For no reason other than I don't really love cars, I make it a point to spend as little as possible and still get a decent car. By decent, I mean I want it to be reliable, fuel efficient, look pretty nice, and hold my two kids' car seats in the back with ease. That said, I did my research, and ended up buying a 2016 Mazda 6 Touring (not Grand touring, for which they were charging several thousand for better leather and a few tech additions...crazy). I'm very pleased so far. And, at $25k out the door, it was right in the price wheelhouse.
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
Ferrari California 0-60 (3.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.0 sec.
Mercedes S63 Coupe 0-60 (3.8 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.2 sec.
BMW M6 0-60 (3.9 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Cadillac CTS-V Coupe 0-60 (3.9 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Bentley Continental 0-60 (4.3 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.7 sec.
Aston Martin DB9 0-60 (4.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.9 sec.

You said S Coupe, not S63. Ferrari was not mentioned. The CTS-V outperformed all your original list on the Nurnurbgring track.

The Bentley, Ferrari, Aston and Cadillac are all the same vintage as yours for this comparison. A new Continental does 0-60 in 4.0 and a California T does it in 3.5. A DBS instead of more base model DB9 does it in 4.1.



Obviously the GT-R is a different beast and it's apples to grapefruit. 0-6- in th3 2.5-2.7 range)

While I have never owned a GT-R, my thoughts above more than portray my feelings, I would never recommend one to a friend. In other words, you know nothing about cars. That's patently obvious. Enjoy your Prius.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
Ferrari California 0-60 (3.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.0 sec.
Mercedes S63 Coupe 0-60 (3.8 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.2 sec.
BMW M6 0-60 (3.9 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Cadillac CTS-V Coupe 0-60 (3.9 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Bentley Continental 0-60 (4.3 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.7 sec.
Aston Martin DB9 0-60 (4.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.9 sec.

You said S Coupe, not S63. Ferrari was not mentioned. The CTS-V outperformed all your original list on the Nurnurbgring track.

The Bentley, Ferrari, Aston and Cadillac are all the same vintage as yours for this comparison. A new Continental does 0-60 in 4.0 and a California T does it in 3.5. A DBS instead of more base model DB9 does it in 4.1.



Obviously the GT-R is a different beast and it's apples to grapefruit. 0-6- in th3 2.5-2.7 range)

While I have never owned a GT-R, my thoughts above more than portray my feelings, I would never recommend one to a friend. In other words, you know nothing about cars. That's patently obvious. Enjoy your Prius.


The California (which I mentioned as #2) is of course the Ferrari California....

Board-O, I've held an F.I.A. competition license, have served on the North American advisory board of a major German sportscar manufacturer and have been an internationally certified driving instructor for Porsche and Ferrari for almost 15 years. I've forgotten more about cars than you will likely ever be able to comprehend.

And I don't own a Prius.
I love this thread.

As all may know, I am both completely utilitarian and cheap when it comes to cars. To each their own.

Why anyone would need or want one of these high performance cars is beyond me though as I don't see any need to have a car that can go 200 MPH or accelerate at that pace and frankly it is dangerous having idiots on the roads in vehicles like that
I'm with you DoubleD (though I think your statement was in jest). I am pretty sure that one day I'll own a late 70's Ford truck, just because I still love Dazed and Confused, and think it'd be a lot of fun to sit on a lawn chair in the bed of the truck listening to Skynyrd and drinking some Budweiser (or chenin blanc just to keep it apropos to this forum)
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
Ferrari California 0-60 (3.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.0 sec.
Mercedes S63 Coupe 0-60 (3.8 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.2 sec.
BMW M6 0-60 (3.9 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Cadillac CTS-V Coupe 0-60 (3.9 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Bentley Continental 0-60 (4.3 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.7 sec.
Aston Martin DB9 0-60 (4.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.9 sec.

You said S Coupe, not S63. Ferrari was not mentioned. The CTS-V outperformed all your original list on the Nurnurbgring track.

The Bentley, Ferrari, Aston and Cadillac are all the same vintage as yours for this comparison. A new Continental does 0-60 in 4.0 and a California T does it in 3.5. A DBS instead of more base model DB9 does it in 4.1.



Obviously the GT-R is a different beast and it's apples to grapefruit. 0-6- in th3 2.5-2.7 range)

While I have never owned a GT-R, my thoughts above more than portray my feelings, I would never recommend one to a friend. In other words, you know nothing about cars. That's patently obvious. Enjoy your Prius.


The California (which I mentioned as #2) is of course the Ferrari California....

Board-O, I've held an F.I.A. competition license, have served on the North American advisory board of a major German sportscar manufacturer and have been an internationally certified driving instructor for Porsche and Ferrari for almost 15 years. I've forgotten more about cars than you will likely ever be able to comprehend.

And I don't own a Prius.


OK, expert. Tell me one thing wrong with 2017 Nissan GT-R. Name one thing that makes you prefer "Getting buggered by a Thai Lady-Man" to a 2017 GTR. Waiting for some made-up BS reason.
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Originally posted by FL Wino:
How many gas stations can you pass in any of these cars before you need to refuel? Big Grin

Insurance cost must be terrific.

Of course if you can afford these beasts you don't worry about that.

One thing you need to consider [seriously] is the maintenance cost. The Ferrari engine needs a tune up every few thousand miles, and that is a few thousand bucks each time.


Ain't that the truth. My younger brother bought a used 355 Spider a number of years ago, by all accounts in great shape. The oil changes were obnoxious, something like $300 IIRC (that's probably low). His car was coming up for the 15,000 mile recommended tune up and Ferrari quoted him ~$12K for it...preventative maintenance.
He sold it shortly after that before I could get up there to drive it.

I knew right then, that I'd most likely never own one. At a buck a mile I'd have to think twice about taking it out and driving it and that's just not how I roll. I like to use my toys, not just look at them.
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Originally posted by Board-O:

OK, expert. Tell me one thing wrong with 2017 Nissan GT-R. Name one thing that makes you prefer "Getting buggered by a Thai Lady-Man" to a 2017 GTR. Waiting for some made-up BS reason.




That reminded me of a good line by a car salesman. I was looking at a Jaguar F-Type coupe a couple of months ago at the nearby dealership, and they had a bright red one in the showroom. I was reading the options list on the windshield, and judging by the total price this car seemed to be fully loaded. A salesman came up behind me and made some mundane comment about how lovely the car was. I turned around and asked him if there was anything at all this this particular car didn't have.

Without skipping a beat, he replied, "Just you in the driver's seat, sir."

My wife and I still laugh about that every time we go past the dealership.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
Ferrari California 0-60 (3.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.0 sec.
Mercedes S63 Coupe 0-60 (3.8 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.2 sec.
BMW M6 0-60 (3.9 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Cadillac CTS-V Coupe 0-60 (3.9 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.1 sec.
Bentley Continental 0-60 (4.3 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.7 sec.
Aston Martin DB9 0-60 (4.6 sec.) - Quarter Mile 12.9 sec.

You said S Coupe, not S63. Ferrari was not mentioned. The CTS-V outperformed all your original list on the Nurnurbgring track.

The Bentley, Ferrari, Aston and Cadillac are all the same vintage as yours for this comparison. A new Continental does 0-60 in 4.0 and a California T does it in 3.5. A DBS instead of more base model DB9 does it in 4.1.



Obviously the GT-R is a different beast and it's apples to grapefruit. 0-6- in th3 2.5-2.7 range)

While I have never owned a GT-R, my thoughts above more than portray my feelings, I would never recommend one to a friend. In other words, you know nothing about cars. That's patently obvious. Enjoy your Prius.


The California (which I mentioned as #2) is of course the Ferrari California....

Board-O, I've held an F.I.A. competition license, have served on the North American advisory board of a major German sportscar manufacturer and have been an internationally certified driving instructor for Porsche and Ferrari for almost 15 years. I've forgotten more about cars than you will likely ever be able to comprehend.

And I don't own a Prius.


OK, expert. Tell me one thing wrong with 2017 Nissan GT-R. Name one thing that makes you prefer "Getting buggered by a Thai Lady-Man" to a 2017 GTR. Waiting for some made-up BS reason.


I know nothing about the car, but I would be interested in a reason why it sucks so much.
Once you're at these performance levels, one or two decimal points in 0-100 or quarter mile times are completely meaningless. No one would notice them. Unless you're an experienced racer and you're racing your car at the Nürburgring on a regular basis. Even then, the skill of the driver would almost always far outweigh these performance differences in an outcome of a race.

What matters is almost entirely personal - i.e. do you like the design and is the handling/feel of the car to your liking or not.

Not to mention the desire to impress people or one-up your neighbour.
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Originally posted by shavez:
But I would choose a GT-R over "Getting buggered by a Thai Lady-Man", despite the design. Just to be clear. Smile

Only if the GT-R had the spoiler!

If I had the dough, I would go for the Ferrari CA personally just based on aesthetics. I couldn't find the price which probably tells me what I already suspect.
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Originally posted by shavez:
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Originally posted by Board-O:


OK, expert. Tell me one thing wrong with 2017 Nissan GT-R. Name one thing that makes you prefer "Getting buggered by a Thai Lady-Man" to a 2017 GTR. Waiting for some made-up BS reason.


Well I don't know about Rob, but I just don't like the design. To each their own.[/QUOTE]

+1

It's ugly as sin for a car in that price range.

Bfw
I won’t (or will try not to be) sarcastic etc. Not trying for hyperbole or anything else, just giving honest, mature feedback on the car as I know it having driven them but never owned one. I do have friends/acquaintances however that have owned them. So in order of importance of why I would try to steer you clear:
1) Every person that I know that has owned one no longer does. They all got rid of them.
2) Every person I know that owned one has had moderate to severe mechanical problems with them. Mostly driveline issues like new gearboxes or differentials.
3) Reading on the interwebs and hearing 3rd party stories driveline issues (very often) and electrical issues (less often) are way way too common.
4) The gearbox hunts too much and can be clunky. Not Lamborghini clunky but still irritating.
5) Dealing with Nissan as a GT-R owner for warrantee work is apparently often a hassle as they always think you are abusing the car.
6) Nissan has withdrawn warrantee coverage from people purely because they used the launch control too often.
7) The car is 96% of the time utterly boring to drive. The other 4% of the time unless you’re on a track or know there is no one around it’s illegal to do what you're doing. It’s a car that only feels alive when you’re really on it and really on it in 2nd gear is a ticket, 3rd gear is jail.
8) You will not be able to talk your way out of any ticket. Cops will hate you on sight. You can be a veteran with a purple heart and a silver star driving 5mph over and a cop will ticket you with glee.
9) It is massively fast for your first few laps of a track but the car can’t keep the pace. It overheats, the tires go off way to quickly, the brakes fade, it’s just too heavy for a full day of real performance work.
10) The exhaust note is terrible and obnoxiously loud and you can’t get away from it.
11) It only attracts negative attention except from boys aged 13-26. Seriously people will give you looks of disgust on an at least weekly basis.
12) Every ricer and bro will try to race you at every stoplight.
13) The fit and finish of the interior is of Nissan quality. Wonderful for an Altima, not for a now $100k ++ car.
14) They were ~$60K when the first came out, not much has changed with the car except it’s now more than $100K.
15) I find the seats uncomfortable.
16) It's ugly.
Having also driven a GT-R I can say they're insanely fast but I couldn't get over the interior that made me feel like I was driving a Microsoft X-Box. For the money, I think there are better "total" packages out there. To each their own though...

On the polar opposite end of the spectrum, I picked up a 1984 Porsche 944 that with any luck will be pulling track-rat duty at VIR about two months from now. The old girl needs work though... Hopefully we'll get it done in time.

Good luck car hunting Board-O!
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Originally posted by RVARob:

On the polar opposite end of the spectrum, I picked up a 1984 Porsche 944 that with any luck will be pulling track-rat duty at VIR about two months from now. The old girl needs work though... Hopefully we'll get it done in time.

Good luck car hunting Board-O!


Enjoy the 944!! Had the 3rd on in NYS when it came out. Loved it. Color Mocha. in shade looked black, in sun Toffee. Handled well. Great car. Even with the Audi/VW engine.
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I won’t (or will try not to be) sarcastic etc. Not trying for hyperbole or anything else, just giving honest, mature feedback on the car as I know it having driven them but never owned one. I do have friends/acquaintances however that have owned them. So in order of importance of why I would try to steer you clear:
1) Every person that I know that has owned one no longer does. They all got rid of them.
2) Every person I know that owned one has had moderate to severe mechanical problems with them. Mostly driveline issues like new gearboxes or differentials.
3) Reading on the interwebs and hearing 3rd party stories driveline issues (very often) and electrical issues (less often) are way way too common.
4) The gearbox hunts too much and can be clunky. Not Lamborghini clunky but still irritating.
5) Dealing with Nissan as a GT-R owner for warrantee work is apparently often a hassle as they always think you are abusing the car.
6) Nissan has withdrawn warrantee coverage from people purely because they used the launch control too often.
7) The car is 96% of the time utterly boring to drive. The other 4% of the time unless you’re on a track or know there is no one around it’s illegal to do what you're doing. It’s a car that only feels alive when you’re really on it and really on it in 2nd gear is a ticket, 3rd gear is jail.
8) You will not be able to talk your way out of any ticket. Cops will hate you on sight. You can be a veteran with a purple heart and a silver star driving 5mph over and a cop will ticket you with glee.
9) It is massively fast for your first few laps of a track but the car can’t keep the pace. It overheats, the tires go off way to quickly, the brakes fade, it’s just too heavy for a full day of real performance work.
10) The exhaust note is terrible and obnoxiously loud and you can’t get away from it.
11) It only attracts negative attention except from boys aged 13-26. Seriously people will give you looks of disgust on an at least weekly basis.
12) Every ricer and bro will try to race you at every stoplight.
13) The fit and finish of the interior is of Nissan quality. Wonderful for an Altima, not for a now $100k ++ car.
14) They were ~$60K when the first came out, not much has changed with the car except it’s now more than $100K.
15) I find the seats uncomfortable.
16) It's ugly.


1-7, 9-11, 13-16 are pure unsubstantiated BS. 8 & 12 I agree, but its the same with other cars mentioned, ergo inconsequential and irrelevant.

The only thing really wrong with the car is that I plan on getting one. That's patently obvious. Go change your diaper. It's full.
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Originally posted by RVARob:
Having also driven a GT-R I can say they're insanely fast but I couldn't get over the interior that made me feel like I was driving a Microsoft X-Box. For the money, I think there are better "total" packages out there. To each their own though...

On the polar opposite end of the spectrum, I picked up a 1984 Porsche 944 that with any luck will be pulling track-rat duty at VIR about two months from now. The old girl needs work though... Hopefully we'll get it done in time.

Good luck car hunting Board-O!


A question for you, Rob, did you drive the new 2017? The interior is all new.
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Originally posted by Board-O:

The only thing really wrong with the car is that I plan on getting one. That's patently obvious. Go change your diaper. It's full.


Your ego takes entirely too much credit for the faults of this car. I said I would never recommend buying one to one of my friends, a group of people you have made patently clear you are not part of. Therefore Board-o buy whatever floats your boat. I have little doubt you will enjoy the experience to a far lesser degree than the one you have had with your Cadillac but the amount of concern I have over that fact couldn’t fill a thimble.
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:

1) Every person that I know that has owned one no longer does. They all got rid of them.
2) Every person I know that owned one has had moderate to severe mechanical problems with them. Mostly driveline issues like new gearboxes or differentials.
3) Reading on the interwebs and hearing 3rd party stories driveline issues (very often) and electrical issues (less often) are way way too common.
4) The gearbox hunts too much and can be clunky. Not Lamborghini clunky but still irritating.
5) Dealing with Nissan as a GT-R owner for warrantee work is apparently often a hassle as they always think you are abusing the car.
6) Nissan has withdrawn warrantee coverage from people purely because they used the launch control too often.
7) The car is 96% of the time utterly boring to drive. The other 4% of the time unless you’re on a track or know there is no one around it’s illegal to do what you're doing. It’s a car that only feels alive when you’re really on it and really on it in 2nd gear is a ticket, 3rd gear is jail.
8) You will not be able to talk your way out of any ticket. Cops will hate you on sight. You can be a veteran with a purple heart and a silver star driving 5mph over and a cop will ticket you with glee.
9) It is massively fast for your first few laps of a track but the car can’t keep the pace. It overheats, the tires go off way to quickly, the brakes fade, it’s just too heavy for a full day of real performance work.
10) The exhaust note is terrible and obnoxiously loud and you can’t get away from it.
11) It only attracts negative attention except from boys aged 13-26. Seriously people will give you looks of disgust on an at least weekly basis.
12) Every ricer and bro will try to race you at every stoplight.
13) The fit and finish of the interior is of Nissan quality. Wonderful for an Altima, not for a now $100k ++ car.
14) They were ~$60K when the first came out, not much has changed with the car except it’s now more than $100K.
15) I find the seats uncomfortable.
16) It's ugly.


1) it's a one trick pony car. but damn it does that one thing good
2) see #1.. too much launch mode since it's what it does High rpm, drop the gear and fucken launch!
3) see #2..
4) see #1
5) see #2
6) oh i see you understand #2
7) see #1
8) take the whale spoiler off the car
9) see #1
10) And damn can you feel it too!!
11) no comment
12) see #11
13) see #1
14) this is probably the main knock on it for me

your 15 and 16 is subjective so i wont comment =)

but basically rob's rebuttal boiled down to 3 answers

if i were to buy such a car, i'd literally just sit at stop lights and wait for rice boys to want to race me =)

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