I'm not really a beer guy. What does it take for something to be considered beer? My FIL was serving something yesterday called sorghum beer that was gluten-free. I has a skeptical.
Is it just me or has anybody else noticed that the thread with the most replies and views is the one about beer? And it's on the Wine Spectator web site. Hmmmm.......interesting

I think only the PITP had more viewers, and it only get cited rarely.
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Originally posted by mangiare:
Steamwhistle


I hate that beer - mostly because of a long standing rivalry with their hockey team....
Dieu du Ciel Dernière Volonté - Superb
Amsterdam Framboise - one demensional and too acidic
Camerons Obsidian Imperial Porter Rum Barrel Aged - good, not outstanding
Thornbridge Kipling - I've drunk a lot of these on the dock. American IPA smell without the over-the-topness
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
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Originally posted by mangiare:
Steamwhistle


I hate that beer - mostly because of a long standing rivalry with their hockey team....


Haha. I actually know a few guys that play on that team. They seem to go down very well in cans, out of an iced cooler. Go figure?
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Originally posted by DoktaP:
Is it just me or has anybody else noticed that the thread with the most replies and views is the one about beer? And it's on the Wine Spectator web site. Hmmmm.......interesting

I think only the PITP had more viewers, and it only get cited rarely.


I noticed that a while back, then thought I bet if you add up all the monthly "What wine are you drinking" threads since September of 2009 when this one started it would blow away the beer thread. There is a LOT of beer interest though, and for good reason!
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Originally posted by Vino Bevo:
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Originally posted by DoktaP:
Is it just me or has anybody else noticed that the thread with the most replies and views is the one about beer? And it's on the Wine Spectator web site. Hmmmm.......interesting

I think only the PITP had more viewers, and it only get cited rarely.


I noticed that a while back, then thought I bet if you add up all the monthly "What wine are you drinking" threads since September of 2009 when this one started it would blow away the beer thread. There is a LOT of beer interest though, and for good reason!


There is a LOT of beer interest and it is for a good reason but some of my buddies in the business are getting ready for the eventual blow back that hit wine.
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There is a LOT of beer interest and it is for a good reason but some of my buddies in the business are getting ready for the eventual blow back that hit wine.


Blow back in what way LBJ?
Remember a 5-8 years back when prices had jumped the shark and then people started complaining about a saturated market and overly sweet/jammy aussie critter wines and sales fell off? (some of the sales fall off was the recession)

That is going to happen soon with craft beer. One of our local restaraunts with a rep for great food and a great craft beer list is charging $9.50 a pint for Bell's Two Hearted Ale. There is not a craft beer on the list for less than $6.00. This is how it starts.

Add this to the fact that the public is always looking for the "new" cool thing and Craft beer has been the "new" cool thing for a couple of years and you will start to see some slight shifting of drinking habits that will lead to major shifting of drinking habits. I know that lots of people are investing in craft spirits right now. They figure the beer thing has a few more years and as that starts to die down their product will be aged and ready to sell. Just as wine was trendy for a while craft beer is trendy now. Some brewers will survive and thrive becuase they make a great product but others will struggle because all trends eventually end.
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Originally posted by That is going to happen soon with craft beer.


I'm betting that you're wrong on this one. I've been drinking craft beers for a decade or more, and most of the folks I know who love good beer aren't going to lose interest. I'd rather pay $7 for a a pint of Dogfish 60 than a 6-pack of swill.

PH
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Originally posted by That is going to happen soon with craft beer.


I'm betting that you're wrong on this one. I've been drinking craft beers for a decade or more, and most of the folks I know who love good beer aren't going to lose interest. I'd rather pay $7 for a a pint of Dogfish 60 than a 6-pack of swill.

PH


Im not saying craft beer is going to disappear by any means. What I'm saying is that people who are drinking craft beer because its "cool", and they are legion, will eventually move one to the next cool thing. It's not a craft beer vs bud light. It's craft beer vs cask cocktails or craft whiskey or whatever the new cool thing is. Just because you dont lose interest in something doesnt mean you dont allocate some of that money to other stuff. I used to buy just wine. Then I discovered craft beer. Now some of my wine budget goes to craft beer. I didnt lose interest wine, I gained interest in something else and dont have unlimited funds.
I get you, but there is a solid enough core of craft beer lovers out there that when the dilettantes move along there will still be enough people interested to keep the industry alive and kicking. Your analogy to Aussie Shiraz was what prompted my reply. The hot mess, over oaked, overly alcoholic stuff from Down Under went bye-bye because people figured out that it just wasn't very good.

PH
I agree there is a solid core and craft beer will never go away, just like wine didnt go away when the trend ended.

I dont think the analogy to the Aussie stuff is that far off. While there is an ocean of excellent craft beer there is also lots of craft beer that is just garbage and trying to cash in on the trend late in the game.
Agree with some points both of you are making. Anyone else seeing some beer drinkers starting to stay away from over the top hoppy beers?

Thankfully around here prices haven't seemed to spike for good beers on tap, at least in the places I frequent. I'm ok with the trend-hoppers finding something else to like, but I also like seeing people try something new.
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
I get you, but there is a solid enough core of craft beer lovers out there that when the dilettantes move along there will still be enough people interested to keep the industry alive and kicking. Your analogy to Aussie Shiraz was what prompted my reply. The hot mess, over oaked, overly alcoholic stuff from Down Under went bye-bye because people figured out that it just wasn't very good.

PH


Just like the hugely over hopped, massive and not enjoyable after one or two IPA's etc that are being made now! A lot of craft beers are all show, little go. I do think some of them will go away. I love cask beer and go to many beer events (a very good friend has a hops farm for crying out loud!) but I'm not going to anymore IPA events because they have become caricatures of themselves with (mostly hipsters) scrunching up their faces after every sip and saying how amazing it is at the same time. That portion of the craft beer movement won't last.

Those people will be drinking fresh, oak aged gin or something equally silly while saying it's amazing and the thing to have...
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Originally posted by g-man:
dogfish head raison d'etre


Thoughts on this one?


probalby the only dogfish head i like

malty, sweet, not overly hoppy
Discovered LIVE bottle conditioned beer from Southern Tier Brewing about a month ago and became addicted.Just a great beer.If your not drinking this your missing out.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Shane T.:
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Originally posted by g-man:
dogfish head raison d'etre


Thoughts on this one?


probalby the only dogfish head i like

malty, sweet, not overly hoppy


Thanks. I'll be on the lookout. The only Dogfish Head I haven't liked was the 120 Minute...just a syrupy mess.
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Originally posted by Shane T.:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Shane T.:
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Originally posted by g-man:
dogfish head raison d'etre


Thoughts on this one?


probalby the only dogfish head i like

malty, sweet, not overly hoppy


Thanks. I'll be on the lookout. The only Dogfish Head I haven't liked was the 120 Minute...just a syrupy mess.


this one is like a belgian ale for sure

loads of malt, but very nicely balanced
Also had a Dogfish Head Raison D'etre. I've had moments of loving this and moments of just thinking it's not my bag. Sometimes I get too much of that raisin taste.
I had Coors Light last night by the pool. I wasn't drinking for quality, but rather quantity.

In reference to above conversations, I too am peeved about the recent move with craft brewers to keep adding more and more hops. The beers are IMO often undrinkable. My dad is a huge Hop-Head and I don't know how he does.

My theory is that the hop-war is driven by two things:

1. It gives the Brewery X a one-up on Brewery Y because "We used more hops than this guy!"

2. Its the easiest taste to distinguish in a beer, so any moronic hipster can taste it and say, "Wow! This beer is so hoppy! I love it!!" Thus, instantly becoming a beer conisseur.

A couple years ago, you used to be able to find wonderfully balanced, and drinkable craft beers. Brooklyn Brown is still one of my all time favorites. The Left Hand Nitro Stout also comes to my mind. Sam Adams surprisingly also puts out some sensational seasonals as well. IMO, of course.
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Originally posted by Wine Sparty:
Also had a Dogfish Head Raison D'etre. I've had moments of loving this and moments of just thinking it's not my bag. Sometimes I get too much of that raisin taste.


yea it was hot in ny and i was on the train

i think the third bottle in, I had to put it down

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