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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
I'm looking at two different box sets of Beatles albums, both of which are remasters done in 2009. One of the box sets includes all of the Beatles albums and are done in stereo. The other includes the first ten albums and are in mono. The first several Beatles albums were done solely in mono and then albums afterwards were mixed in mono first, with the Beatles involved in it, and then afterwards the stereo mix was made without the boys present. (The only albums that were done in stereo at first were Let It Be and Abbey Road).

There are a few differences in what was included in the stereo vs the mono mix, but most of the issue is which collection is the better one to listen to and hear the richness of the recordings.

Has anyone looked at this and made a decision or have a view on this?

Some of the earliest stereo mixes are brutal, especially if you like to listen with headphones. They did hard separations of the two channels, so you get the instruments in the left channel, and vocals in the right channel. The is true of the first two UK albums. But there are lots of little and not so little differences to the two versions throughout - a different lead vocal on the mono version of Help, different lengths of songs, missing instruments on some songs, etc. The White Album, surprisingly, has the most differences between mono and stereo.

Personally I'd get the mono albums up until Rubber Soul, and stereo from Rubber Soul onward. Buy them individually.
My step mom, was huge into the Beatles and had a ton of them on mono. I remember the discs were super heavy and inflexible. I've had the Hey Jude disc (cd) in the rotation for the commute, along with Franz Ferdinand, Mozart Violin concertos, some Hungarian world beat disc, Who, face dances, and one more I can't remember at the
moment.

Now, Claude Bolling, suite for flute and piano trio w/ Rampal
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
I'm looking at two different box sets of Beatles albums, both of which are remasters done in 2009. One of the box sets includes all of the Beatles albums and are done in stereo. The other includes the first ten albums and are in mono. The first several Beatles albums were done solely in mono and then albums afterwards were mixed in mono first, with the Beatles involved in it, and then afterwards the stereo mix was made without the boys present. (The only albums that were done in stereo at first were Let It Be and Abbey Road).

There are a few differences in what was included in the stereo vs the mono mix, but most of the issue is which collection is the better one to listen to and hear the richness of the recordings.

Has anyone looked at this and made a decision or have a view on this?

Some of the earliest stereo mixes are brutal, especially if you like to listen with headphones. They did hard separations of the two channels, so you get the instruments in the left channel, and vocals in the right channel. The is true of the first two UK albums. But there are lots of little and not so little differences to the two versions throughout - a different lead vocal on the mono version of Help, different lengths of songs, missing instruments on some songs, etc. The White Album, surprisingly, has the most differences between mono and stereo.

Personally I'd get the mono albums up until Rubber Soul, and stereo from Rubber Soul onward. Buy them individually.

Capital also did this steroizing on Sinatra records and more. It's almost never good, however I never use headphones and at this point in my life I do like a little sound spread.
Some of the early efforts at stereo were a bit lame to me, especially when they put all of a voice or instrument on only one speaker. It would be interesting to hear some of the work in mono, though I think I am going to get the box set with the stereo versions as it is cheaper and has more stuff. I can always buy some of the early albums separately in mono.
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Originally posted by steve8:
The Talking Heads - Remain in Light

I need to get this on vinyl. My cassette version is long gone and the piece of crap, first generation CD version I have is just that.

Their best. Big Grin

Vinyl of this would be brilliant. But also consider the remastered DualDisc that was released about 10 years ago. The sound is excellent, it has 4 additional outtake tracks, and the second side of the disc has a surround sound mix that is top notch. It's honestly like hearing the album again for the first time.

The first side of the disc is the remastered stereo. The second side is the surround mix in both DVD-A 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1. Jerry Harrison oversaw the surround sound mix.
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Originally posted by steve8:
The Talking Heads - Remain in Light

I need to get this on vinyl. My cassette version is long gone and the piece of crap, first generation CD version I have is just that.


I am partial to Little Creatures - I had what I assume was a boot-legged cassette tape of this that I bought in Israel with a slapped on Hebrew label in 1987 I think - was one of the last cassettes I owned.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:

Their best. Big Grin

Vinyl of this would be brilliant. But also consider the remastered DualDisc that was released about 10 years ago. The sound is excellent, it has 4 additional outtake tracks, and the second side of the disc has a surround sound mix that is top notch. It's honestly like hearing the album again for the first time.

The first side of the disc is the remastered stereo. The second side is the surround mix in both DVD-A 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1. Jerry Harrison oversaw the surround sound mix.


I'll look for that. A quick glance at Amazon didn't help me identify it. 40+ hits for the title, many of which don't even tell you how many discs there are, never mind a track listing. Roll Eyes

I have a love-hate relationship with Amazon. Frequently the best place to buy music, but I always feel dirty the next morning.
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:

Their best. Big Grin

Vinyl of this would be brilliant. But also consider the remastered DualDisc that was released about 10 years ago. The sound is excellent, it has 4 additional outtake tracks, and the second side of the disc has a surround sound mix that is top notch. It's honestly like hearing the album again for the first time.

The first side of the disc is the remastered stereo. The second side is the surround mix in both DVD-A 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1. Jerry Harrison oversaw the surround sound mix.


I'll look for that. A quick glance at Amazon didn't help me identify it. 40+ hits for the title, many of which don't even tell you how many discs there are, never mind a track listing. Roll Eyes

I have a love-hate relationship with Amazon. Frequently the best place to buy music, but I always feel dirty the next morning.

Yeah, I hear you.

Anyway, search for the 2006 "dual disc" version:

https://www.amazon.ca/Remain-L...-Heads/dp/B000C3H4MC

The price on .ca is crazy expensive though. It's much cheaper on amazon.com:

https://www.amazon.com/Remain-...-Heads/dp/B000C3H4MC

$29.99 for new, from $13.79 used. (Click on "See all 24 formats and editions")

And while the surround sound version is fantastic, I'm not a big fan of dual discs. It's basically a two-sided CD with the regular stereo mix on one side, and the DVD-A and Dolby Digital version on the other side. The discs are a little thicker than a normal CD. I've never had technical problems with them, but they just seem like a questionable technology.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:

Their best. Big Grin

Vinyl of this would be brilliant. But also consider the remastered DualDisc that was released about 10 years ago. The sound is excellent, it has 4 additional outtake tracks, and the second side of the disc has a surround sound mix that is top notch. It's honestly like hearing the album again for the first time.

The first side of the disc is the remastered stereo. The second side is the surround mix in both DVD-A 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1. Jerry Harrison oversaw the surround sound mix.


I'll look for that. A quick glance at Amazon didn't help me identify it. 40+ hits for the title, many of which don't even tell you how many discs there are, never mind a track listing. Roll Eyes

I have a love-hate relationship with Amazon. Frequently the best place to buy music, but I always feel dirty the next morning.

Yeah, I hear you.

Anyway, search for the 2006 "dual disc" version:

https://www.amazon.ca/Remain-L...-Heads/dp/B000C3H4MC

The price on .ca is crazy expensive though. It's much cheaper on amazon.com:

https://www.amazon.com/Remain-...-Heads/dp/B000C3H4MC

$29.99 for new, from $13.79 used. (Click on "See all 24 formats and editions")

And while the surround sound version is fantastic, I'm not a big fan of dual discs. It's basically a two-sided CD with the regular stereo mix on one side, and the DVD-A and Dolby Digital version on the other side. The discs are a little thicker than a normal CD. I've never had technical problems with them, but they just seem like a questionable technology.


"Under the water...heavier water"
Metallica - Hardwired to Self Destruct. Just finished the first listen of the new release. For the most, part, I really like it. A mix of fast and mid-tempo songs. Minor quibbles are Kirk Hammett's continued over-use of a wah pedal, and Lars teasing with double-bass blasts that he won't bother with in a live setting. I like the production better than Death Magnetic. While I'd like the bass higher in the mix, it's more prominent than in DM. Kind of a background rumble. I can see the album growing on me.
Springsteen:
The Land of Hope and Dreams
The Rising

U2:
Walk On

In a year that has been as challenging as any for myself and a few of those closest to me, its time to reflect on the battles already fought, the victories won and the battles yet to be waged. Feeling thankful!

Music is as much of a gift to our souls as food and wine. Im thankful for this thread started over 10 years ago now hundreds of pages long full of posts filled with another passion many of us share. Its uplifting to stop in here having met many of you, looking forward to meeting more of you and sharing the music that fills our lives. At the same time Im thankful this thread avoids the negativity that plagues so many others. Hoping for more positive vibes in 2017!

Happy Thanksgiving All!
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by haggis:
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska


That is one of his greatest. I don't find it easy to listen to, but it's brilliant.


+1. My favourite Springsteen album, just ahead of Tunnel of Love, but right now I'm listening to Devils and Dust.

Nebraska is fantastic but Darkness on the Edge of Town is still my fave.
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by haggis:
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska


That is one of his greatest. I don't find it easy to listen to, but it's brilliant.


+1. My favourite Springsteen album, just ahead of Tunnel of Love, but right now I'm listening to Devils and Dust.


Have either of you read Born to Run. Pretty good book.

PH
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by haggis:
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska


That is one of his greatest. I don't find it easy to listen to, but it's brilliant.


+1. My favourite Springsteen album, just ahead of Tunnel of Love, but right now I'm listening to Devils and Dust.

Nebraska is fantastic but Darkness on the Edge of Town is still my fave.


nebraska & darkness are my 1a & 1b - but as haggis notes - you need to be in the right mood for nebraska.
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by haggis:
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska


That is one of his greatest. I don't find it easy to listen to, but it's brilliant.


+1. My favourite Springsteen album, just ahead of Tunnel of Love, but right now I'm listening to Devils and Dust.

Nebraska is fantastic but Darkness on the Edge of Town is still my fave.


nebraska & darkness are my 1a & 1b - but as haggis notes - you need to be in the right mood for nebraska.


greetings from ashbury park - I can listen to it over and over
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Originally posted by mangiare:
greetings from ashbury park - I can listen to it over and over


I was a high school senior headed to college when this came out. These songs are etched into my brain. So raw and so real. It's amazing how broke Bruce was, even after this album. I can't recommend his bio, Born to Run, more enthusiastically. It's an amazing timeline of a really special career.

PH
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by haggis:
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska


That is one of his greatest. I don't find it easy to listen to, but it's brilliant.


+1. My favourite Springsteen album, just ahead of Tunnel of Love, but right now I'm listening to Devils and Dust.

Nebraska is fantastic but Darkness on the Edge of Town is still my fave.


Darkness on the Edge of Town is easily the best. The others all all really good as well.
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by haggis:
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska


That is one of his greatest. I don't find it easy to listen to, but it's brilliant.


+1. My favourite Springsteen album, just ahead of Tunnel of Love, but right now I'm listening to Devils and Dust.


Have either of you read Born to Run. Pretty good book.

PH

I'm up to the part about the recording sessions for The Wild, The Innocent...
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Originally posted by Primordialsoup:
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
Samantha Fish - a bunch of YouTube live performances.

I just discovered her because of a video someone shared on Facebook. If you like blues rockers, she's worth checking out.

She's pretty solid, and tours alot- catch her live. Good show.


How would you compare to Bonni Raitt or
Susan Tedeschi?
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
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Originally posted by Primordialsoup:
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
Samantha Fish - a bunch of YouTube live performances.

I just discovered her because of a video someone shared on Facebook. If you like blues rockers, she's worth checking out.

She's pretty solid, and tours alot- catch her live. Good show.


How would you compare to Bonni Raitt or
Susan Tedeschi?

Much better looking! Wink

I've seen a bunch of her videos as well. The two times she has played near me haven't worked out to attend. A fairly "modern" style of blues, I would say. A little more fiery and energetic than the two you mentioned. And Fish throws in some interesting covers, such as Black Sabbath's War Pigs. I will say I've noticed the occasional flubbed note on her solos.
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by mangiare:
Rolling Stones - Blue and Lonesome


How is it? I'm intrigued and at this point they're better off doing an album like that. I'd prefer they just stop though. Pleeease.

Listened to it on Apple Music the day it was released. It's OK. I think they recorded it in a single day (or two) and much, if not all, of it was live off the floor in the studio. It shows. It's sloppy in places, but not in an "authentic, rootsy sloppy" way. Just a "sloppy sloppy" way.

Some tracks are more successful than others. Some are very good; some made me cringe in places.
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Originally posted by mangiare:
agreed. I actually would not have considered listening had it not been for a buddy praising the album.

Praising is definitely generous but it's actually not bad in a blues, grassy roots kinda way yet unmistakably stones.
it does make you cringe in places. I thought it was cold in my office but it's the music.


Mick and Keith were interviewed on CBS Sunday Morning last weekend and said they were mostly screwing around in the studio and ended up with a couple of tracks they liked, then a couple more etc. Also that Mick didn't want to release them but the other guys prevailed upon him to do so. Not sure I buy that but it makes a nice story......
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Originally posted by steve8:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mangiare:
Rolling Stones - Blue and Lonesome


How is it? I'm intrigued and at this point they're better off doing an album like that. I'd prefer they just stop though. Pleeease.[/QUOTE

I have a streaming service (why someone who likes music doesn't is beyond me)...listened to it twice...probably won't again. I'll take Albert King anyday...or a dozen others.

As for the Stones, they were entertaining but not great at Desert Trip...but haven't released anything worth listening repeatedly since Tattoo You.
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Originally posted by Wino90210:
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Originally posted by steve8:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mangiare:
Rolling Stones - Blue and Lonesome


I have a streaming service (why someone who likes music doesn't is beyond me)


+1. I use pandora. I've got over 150 lps, over 300 cds and maybe 1000 songs on digits, but I don't buy much anymore. One of the main things I like, I can create a station with one artist and get turned on to so much new stuff I wouldn't have listened to. I've been using to stuff on YouTube a lot these days too, if there is something specific I want to listen to.
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Originally posted by Wino90210:
I have a streaming service (why someone who likes music doesn't is beyond me)...

...maybe because streaming music services have been screwing artists over for royalties? And continue to do so?

As for the Stones, they were entertaining but not great at Desert Trip...but haven't released anything worth listening repeatedly since Tattoo You Some Girls.


FIFY. The only really good song on Tattoo You is Waiting on a Friend and it came from the Exile on Main Street bin.
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Originally posted by steve8:
As for the Stones, they were entertaining but not great at Desert Trip...but haven't released anything worth listening repeatedly since Tattoo You Some Girls.

FIFY. The only really good song on Tattoo You is Waiting on a Friend and it came from the Exile on Main Street bin.

Wow. I was going to post this exact sentiment this morning, but got distracted.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
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Originally posted by steve8:
As for the Stones, they were entertaining but not great at Desert Trip...but haven't released anything worth listening repeatedly since Tattoo You Some Girls.

FIFY. The only really good song on Tattoo You is Waiting on a Friend and it came from the Exile on Main Street bin.

Wow. I was going to post this exact sentiment this morning, but got distracted.


Kinda with you guys on that one and even Some Girls is a bit suspect. It was the transition to a more pop sound that began there. With that said there are usually 1 to 3 tracks on each of the later albums Ive enjoyed.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
I thought "Some Girls" was a return to form after both "It's Only Rock & Roll" and the especially lame "Black & Blue".


Hey, I liked both of those albums even though they are uneven. Time Waits for No One has some of Mick Taylor's best guitar work imho. The second side is weak though except for Short and Curlies.

Black and Blue...Memory Motel, Hand of Fate, Fool to Cry, Hot Stuff.

You want lame...Goat's Head Soup is pretty lame. It was the beginning of the end.

Some Girls. Yes, Miss You is disco and I hated it at first, but came around on it. Good example of them soaking up other musical styles of the day. Far Away Eyes is my hands down favourite from that album, but several other good ones.
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Originally posted by Wino90210:
Holly Bowling...Best Left Unsaid.

Required listening for anyone who listens to the Dead.

Thank me later.


Heard her live on JamOn on Sirius. Great player, some of the arrangements were great, other interpretations lost me as a Dead and Phish fan.

Kind of reminds me of the 'Picking on...' series of albums.
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by bhauk:
James McMurtry


Just Us Kids is a classic song


Yes, that and Fast as I Can are favorites. For the tongue in cheek writing alone, I think Choctaw Bingo is an american classic. He's an under-rated guitar player as well, still phenomenal live. Band is always tight.