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Wait a minute!!?? What happened to LCBO's much touted eCommerce site that's suppose to revolutionize the way wine is purchased in Ontario? How good could it be that old fashion snail mail catalogues are arriving first? Or maybe they are only using the Internet for those once in a lifetime special exclusive offers of very overpriced Bordeaux? Roll Eyes
I think the issue of increasing prices is a concern as the price spread between LCBO and US continue to grow. Even wines that have historically been reasonably priced at LCBO such as some Australians, Italians and Rhones are no longer the case. You can still find the odd "bargain" but they're becoming more and more rare.

I'm not sure if there's an end to these price increases but the good wines do continue to sell out, so I guess we're not at the ceiling of tolerance yet.
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Originally posted by Stevey:
I think the issue of increasing prices is a concern as the price spread between LCBO and US continue to grow. Even wines that have historically been reasonably priced at LCBO such as some Australians, Italians and Rhones are no longer the case. You can still find the odd "bargain" but they're becoming more and more rare.

I'm not sure if there's an end to these price increases but the good wines do continue to sell out, so I guess we're not at the ceiling of tolerance yet.
I agree.

[Someone lead me to that sigh graemlin]
Just picked up the catalogue from the FCP store today. Wow... just wow!... I mean the outrageous prices. I usually shop at K&L in the LA area whenever I'm down in the US, so lets just take a few samples from LCBO Classics that I may have purchased and compare:

2004 Chateauneuf du Pape Cuvée Boisrenard:
LCBO = $72
K&L = $40

2003 Scavino Bric Del Fiasc:
LCBO = $125
K&L = $88

2004 Almaviva:
LCBO = $85
K&L = $50

I stopped checking after these and I didn't even bother with bordeaux since I already know LCBO prices them in the stratosphere.

You have to add California state tax of about 7%, but the difference is still enormous.

The Yalumba Muscat Reserve is interesting. The 375mL was selling at PJ Wines in Manhattan a while back for $15 (it sold out pretty quickly though) and is $25 in the Classics catalogue. I still might jump at $25 to give it a try, but that's probably about it.
Got mine today. Clearly, the LCBO has decided to base their prices on the Parker / WS scores. The prices are frightening. I'm just not interested. Example:

d'Yquem 2001 (375 ml):
- B.C. Liquor Stores: $315
- LCBO this summer: $415
- LCBO November Classics: $480

I'll bet my next paycheque that this is the same inventory from summer to November. It didn't sell at $415 this summer. So, the strategy?? Raise the price 15% and put it in the Classics. Great marketing. Great monopoly.
I am interested in many of the wines from Italy, particularly from the Piedmont region. When I compared these prices with those throughout the internet I found many that were very comparable when all factors are considered. Am I missing something?? If I ordered these from the LCBO, there are no extra charges, no hassles with shipping and if the product does not meet my expectations I can return it easily. (I do not work for the LCBO, in case you were wondering) Smile I hope those, living in Canada, who have more knowledge collecting these types of wines, will share with me on how they were able to do so, for less. All values considered. Smile
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Originally posted by futronic:
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Originally posted by Bill@IA:
...............a 96 point Italian wine for $96.00 cad seems like a decent deal to me. Smile


True, especially when compared to other Tuscan Merlot - i.e. Masseto, Redigaffi, L'Apperita etc, but I'll be spending my wine budget on other things.
Looking forward to your further guidance and tasting notes. Smile
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Originally posted by steve8:
Got mine too. The Galatrona is tempting. Maybe The Chocolate Block and an Oz or two. I'm also tempted by the Chapoutier White Ermitage, except for Parker's comment about it going into a funk for a couple of decades. Eek


Steve,

I posted a note on the 2003 Galatrona in the TNs forums. Highdesertwine opened a bottle when I was out there last year. It was decanted for a good period of time and was still only showing hints of what it will be.
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Originally posted by mimik:
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Originally posted by steve8:
Got mine too. The Galatrona is tempting. Maybe The Chocolate Block and an Oz or two. I'm also tempted by the Chapoutier White Ermitage, except for Parker's comment about it going into a funk for a couple of decades. Eek


The Chocolate Block is being released here in November.
Has the price been announced yet?
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Originally posted by MeritageMan:
In order of most individuals refused:

Galatrona
Octavius
'00 Latour

The first on the list was a bit of a surprise... but if I actually mention how many bottles were brought into Classics in the first place, I fear that you'll all tear me a new one.


Wow... very interesting list... thanks!

The Galatrona isn't that much of a surprise, I guess, if quantities are low.

The Octavius was only the 5th or 6th best Aussie on the list (IMO), so I guess this is a combination of Parker points and Yalumba being all over the place in Ontario?

The Latour positively blows me away... Huge demand at an $1100 price tag? Shows just how out of whack the supply/demand equation is in Ontario for Bordeaux.
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Originally posted by SThomas: The Latour positively blows me away... Huge demand at an $1100 price tag? Shows just how out of whack the supply/demand equation is in Ontario for Bordeaux.


It is going for $1k+ on the low side from wine-searcher in the States. Factor in the refund policy from LCBO, I rather buy from them instead of going down south. Don't get me wrong, I did not order any. I've got enough back then. Big Grin
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Originally posted by aav28:
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Originally posted by SThomas: The Latour positively blows me away... Huge demand at an $1100 price tag? Shows just how out of whack the supply/demand equation is in Ontario for Bordeaux.


It is going for $1k+ on the low side from wine-searcher in the States. Factor in the refund policy from LCBO, I rather buy from them instead of going down south. Don't get me wrong, I did not order any. I've got enough back then. Big Grin


Relatively speaking, the 2003 Bordeaux Futures were the last great bargain from a great year. I guess $495Cdn for the Latour can now be considered a bargoon!
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Originally posted by aav28:
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Originally posted by SThomas: The Latour positively blows me away... Huge demand at an $1100 price tag? Shows just how out of whack the supply/demand equation is in Ontario for Bordeaux.


It is going for $1k+ on the low side from wine-searcher in the States. Factor in the refund policy from LCBO, I rather buy from them instead of going down south. Don't get me wrong, I did not order any. I've got enough back then. Big Grin


You're right... I didn't realize that the price was actually fairly reasonable. It still blows me away, nonetheless, that a $1,000 wine can be the 3rd most over-subscribed wine. That means a LOT of people ordered some.
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Originally posted by SThomas:
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Originally posted by aav28:
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Originally posted by SThomas: The Latour positively blows me away... Huge demand at an $1100 price tag? Shows just how out of whack the supply/demand equation is in Ontario for Bordeaux.


It is going for $1k+ on the low side from wine-searcher in the States. Factor in the refund policy from LCBO, I rather buy from them instead of going down south. Don't get me wrong, I did not order any. I've got enough back then. Big Grin


You're right... I didn't realize that the price was actually fairly reasonable. It still blows me away, nonetheless, that a $1,000 wine can be the 3rd most over-subscribed wine. That means a LOT of people ordered some.


I didn't Smile I ordered when it was less than half - quite frankly I wish I had ordered more
I did well... full fill except for a 2 bottle limit on the testament.

Overall,
9/9 Kalleske Greenock
4/4 Kalleske Johann Georg
2/4 Kilikannon Testament
3/3 Chocolate Block
2/2 Bouchard Le Corton

I'm just happy that there were so many big Aussies in the release so that I could get all of the Kalleske I wanted... Probably my favorite winery in Aus these days (except maybe for Greenock Creek)
I'm more than a little upset. When I got my phone call to verify my purchase/allotment I was told I got my one requested bottle of Colonial Explorateur.
However, I just received my invoice in the mail and it turns out they shorted me.
Makes me wonder if they decided to hand it out to someone with a bigger order.
I'm definitely an unhappy camper Mad . Did this happen to anyone else? I don't suppose I have any recourses of action on this matter...
Did they charge you for it? I'm guessing they did because once they tell you you got it, they'll charge your credit card right away. Assuming they did this, I believe they owe you one because they put the sale through, even if they credited you after the fact. That being said, most people have picked up their orders by now so it may not be realistic that you will ever get your bottle. You should ask them to source one for you anyway at their own cost.
I just called them up to find out what was the matter.
It turns out they oversold that item, so they ordered more from the producer, but it won't be here until the new year. However they did credit my account.
Apparently there are letters which were mailed late last week to explain the situation. Customers who were shorted will receive another call when the wine arrives to make sure they still want it.
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Originally posted by Veni Vidi Vino:
I just called them up to find out what was the matter.
It turns out they oversold that item, so they ordered more from the producer, but it won't be here until the new year. However they did credit my account.
Apparently there are letters which were mailed late last week to explain the situation. Customers who were shorted will receive another call when the wine arrives to make sure they still want it.
I've had this happen to me once several years ago, and they made good on what they said. I got my bottle(s) about 3 months later.
kind of off topic, but any input would be appreciated. Should I have any concerns having my Classic Order shipped to Sarnia during these cold winter times? Supposedly shipments to smaller towns leave the Toronto warehouse and go to a second warehouse (in my case possibly London) and are then broken down and shipped to the stores. Shoud I worry about the possibility of bottles being exposed to below freezing temps?
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Originally posted by WEc:
Come to think of it, I've never seen a LCBO truck (unlike beer store trucks). Who does their shipping? Is it contracted out?
Yes, the smaller rural stores are serviced by private delivery contractors. I'm sure they realise that the product could freeze under extreme circumstances, but they don't use temperature-controlled trucks either.

On the other hand, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Normal wine should be good to -15C, and your Symington ports will survive even colder temps. So I wouldn't worry about it - especially in SW Ontario.
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Originally posted by on the wine:
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Originally posted by WEc:
Come to think of it, I've never seen a LCBO truck (unlike beer store trucks). Who does their shipping? Is it contracted out?
Yes, the smaller rural stores are serviced by private delivery contractors. I'm sure they realise that the product could freeze under extreme circumstances, but they don't use temperature-controlled trucks either.

On the other hand, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Normal wine should be good to -15C, and your Symington ports will survive even colder temps. So I wouldn't worry about it - especially in SW Ontario.


Thanks - I figured (hoped) as much but feel better now. Thanks for the feedback.
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Originally posted by on the wine:
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Originally posted by theweb:
I just got notice of my Symington Ports order - they are ready to ship Smile
I hope you ordered the 94 Warre's. It's well on its way to becoming a classic vintage for VP.


No I didn't Confused I picked up the '94 Fonseca at LCBO auction last year, and then opted for the '94 Dows and Taylors from the Symington offer.

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