Vegetarian's out there?

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I am a vegetarian and I wanted to know if there are any others of you out there? It's hard to hold a good pairing conversation with someone when they talk about steaks and cab's, when i haven't eaten any animal products for almost 2 years.

I am, but I suck at pairing food to wine. I eat what I want and drink what I want and it doesnt ever seem to bother me. That said, if I am eating something spicy its Gwertz or Reiesling time.

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
I am a vegetarian and I wanted to know if there are any others of you out there? It's hard to hold a good pairing conversation with someone when they talk about steaks and cab's, when i haven't eaten any animal products for almost 2 years.

Life without meat isn't worth living.

I'd suggest a closed garage, a garden hose and a 1972 Buick.

I was a vegetarian for 14 years and recently started eating meat. Despite this, my diet is still primarily vegetarian.

You mentioned in another post that you were interested in a career in wine. I think it is important for you to understand meat/wine pairings as well, despite your personal food preferences.

being vegetarian ='s being too stupid to realize there is a food related section to post food related questions in?

btw, welcome!

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Life without meat isn't worth living.

Wrong....again....It's life without Cult Cabernet is not worth living...right?

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Originally posted by Qweniden:

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Life without meat isn't worth living.

Wrong....again....It's life without Cult Cabernet is not worth living...right?

Nope not wrong for the first time.

You should thank us carnivores for evolution. If it wasn't for us, we'd be just like you, slow, fat, lumbering and only smart enough to sneak up on a carrot.

Yes, I'm a quazi veg., and I agree the Dining and Cooking forum might be better for a reposting of this.

Let's just hope Gigondass doesn't snap to, and figure out how to work the garage door opener so he can drive his Buick over there.

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You should thank us carnivores for evolution. If it wasn't for us, we'd be just like you, slow, fat, lumbering and only smart enough to sneak up on a carrot

I am very grateful. Thanks to all early humans for eating all the fish protien and Omega-3s so our species developed a cerebreal cortex and thus have the forsight to plant Pinot Noir in the Russian River Valley.

I've never seen a healthy looking vegetarian.....

You people are fooling yourselves. Not to mention missing out on one of life's little miracles, gravy.

Your welcome by the way. Thanks for contributing to the downfall of mankind by creating less intelligent humans that think eating only plants it normal or even smart.

BTW its FORESIGHT. See, you're getting dumber already........

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:

You should thank us carnivores for evolution. If it wasn't for us, we'd be just like you, slow, fat, lumbering and only smart enough to sneak up on a carrot.

That's pretty funny! Bernard Hopkins thinks that's pretty funny too.

Most vegetarians eat too many french fries and other crap.

I was never the type of vegetarian who was offended by meat. Instead, I looked askance on meat eaters who ordered their steaks well-done.

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
that think eating only plants it normal or even smart.

Yes, I think eating plants it normal too, and even smart.

Actually my girlfriend is a certified nutritionist from RIT and anyone who knows anything about nutrition will tell you that a vegetarian diet is much more healthier than a carnivorous one. You cut through all of the cholesterol and saturated fats of meat.

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
Actually my girlfriend is a certified nutritionist from RIT and anyone who knows anything about nutrition will tell you that a vegetarian diet is much more healthier than a carnivorous one. You cut through all of the cholesterol and saturated fats of meat.

C'mon now, get with the program. A serious take? Puleaze! This is Carnivore vs. Livelongavore 101.

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
Actually my girlfriend is a certified nutritionist from RIT and anyone who knows anything about nutrition will tell you that a vegetarian diet is much more healthier than a carnivorous one. You cut through all of the cholesterol and saturated fats of meat.

MUCH HEALTHIER......

Only a moron would say MUCH MORE HEALTHIER it's a redundancy......

How smart can your girlfriend be, she's dating a vegetarian.......

See, you guys are all a bunch of dopes....

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I've never seen a healthy looking vegetarian.....

You people are fooling yourselves. Not to mention missing out on one of life's little miracles, gravy.

Your welcome by the way. Thanks for contributing to the downfall of mankind by creating less intelligent humans that think eating only plants it normal or even smart.

BTW its FORESIGHT. See, you're getting dumber already........

Oh my god, that pisses me off so much!!! Just kidding.

If bad spelling is a sign of lack of intellegence I probablly have a sub 50 pt IQ

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Originally posted by Qweniden:

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I've never seen a healthy looking vegetarian.....

You people are fooling yourselves. Not to mention missing out on one of life's little miracles, gravy.

Your welcome by the way. Thanks for contributing to the downfall of mankind by creating less intelligent humans that think eating only plants it normal or even smart.

BTW its FORESIGHT. See, you're getting dumber already........

Oh my god, that pisses me off so much!!! Just kidding.

If bad spelling is a sign of lack of intellegence I probablly have a sub 50 pt IQ

I can't argue with that......

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
I've never seen a healthy looking vegetarian.....

Natalie Portman, Alyssa Milano and Alicia Siverstone are vegetarians. They are healthy enough for my tastes.

I lived in Italy for six months. It taught me that you don't have to eat meat twice a day. Italian people (especially the women) are among the healthiest looking I've ever seen. I read somewhere that they are the thinnest in the civilized world.

Hmm good debate. I've seen that you have mastered the art of circular reasoning. Really, great job supporting your side. Calling a college graduate and me a dope is a really relevant argument to our debate here. Where did you get your "meat is healthier information?"

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I can't argue with that......

First time for everything

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Originally posted by Peer Gynt:
Natalie Portman, Alyssa Milano and Alicia Siverstone are vegetarians. They are healthy enough for my tastes.

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Pass the popcorn.

Oh and GA - when you've finished nailing this guy on his spelling don't forget to have a go at his punctuation. Vegetarian's indeed.

I'm a vegetarian by proxy. I eat things that eat vegetables.

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when you've finished nailing this guy on his spelling don't forget to have a go at his punctuation. Vegetarian's indeed.

That was an incorrect use of the possesive...FYI

Wow, glad to see it's the usual cacophony from the resident group of lefties.......

Alyssa Milano et al may be hot, it doesn't mean they're healthy.

BYW veg boy, a college degree doesn't necessarily equate to intelligence. Plenty of stupid college graduates in the world...

Meat is goood. Me like meat..... Killing for fooood is gooood.....

Tofu farting vegetarians smell funny......

Humans are omnivores. Take a look at your teeth, or tooth as it may be.

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
Alyssa Milano et al may be hot, it doesn't mean they're healthy.

true. she is quite insane...

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true. she is quite insane...

But oh so hot

Gotta go hunt down some soy plants for dinner...

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Originally posted by Qweniden:

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when you've finished nailing this guy on his spelling don't forget to have a go at his punctuation. Vegetarian's indeed.

That was an incorrect use of the possesive...FYI

possessive. I prefer the term "Grocer's Apostrophe". Pick up a copy of "Eats, Shoots and Leaves".

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possessive

Thanks for the correction. If your gonna follow me around correcting my spelling you are gonna be a busy guy.

Have a nice evening.

Look, I wanted to see if there were any veg wine drinkers out there. Not see how many uninformed comments you have. I do not care if you eat meat.

And RIT has one of leading nutrition programs in the nation. (I bet they let alot of idiots through there.)

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
Look, I wanted to see if there were any veg wine drinkers out there... I do not care if you eat meat.

ROFLMAO! In that case, I'm a vegetarian.

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
Look, I wanted to see if there were any veg wine drinkers out there. Not see how many uninformed comments you have. I do not care if you eat meat.

And RIT has one of leading nutrition programs in the nation. (I bet they let alot of idiots through there.)

Sorry. You've probably heard of militant vegetarians that follow people around and throw blood on fur coats, release infected lab animals, ban foie gras, and other meaningless gestures.

You just happened to run into their omnivorous opposite. Just a bad day for you I guess.....

I don't care if people eat meat. I dont care if animals die. I do care if people go around attacking someone for not eating it, and I also care when people think not eating meat is unhealthy.

Not all vegetarians agree with PETA tactics. I found (and still do find them) them really pompous and annoying. When I didn't eat meat, I had plenty of militant meat eaters giving me crap for something that had nothing to do with them and it got really tiresome.

I've never understood why other people have to get so upset about what others eat or don't eat. Sheesh. We're all lucky to have a choice.

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
I don't care if people eat meat. I dont care if animals die. I do care if people go around attacking someone for not eating it, and I also care when people think not eating meat is unhealthy.

Relax, have some vino. Think of GA as the Patron Saint of, well asses. Everyone gets this sort of treatment from him. Think GA like you would a Mike Tyson press conference, where he's vowing to eat your children. You want to, but you just can't look away.

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
You should thank us carnivores for evolution. If it wasn't for us, we'd be just like you, slow, fat, lumbering and only smart enough to sneak up on a carrot.

Now that's the GA I've grown to know and luh...luh... l. Enjoy...

PH

I've had the same thing happen to me and I'm not even a vegetarian. What possesses a person to rag on someone else for NOT eating meat every day?

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Originally posted by Peer Gynt:
I've had the same thing happen to me and I'm not even a vegetarian. What possesses a person to rag on someone else for NOT eating meat every day?

Please see above instructions. Now if you excuse me, I'm going to get some sprouts and arugula with my "fat" 5'10" size 6 girlfriend. I'm sure GA will be here when I return.

all this vegetarian talk made me go make an avocado/cheddar/onion sammich ! with turkey bacon . that's not real meat, right ?

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Originally posted by indybob:

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Originally posted by Peer Gynt:
I've had the same thing happen to me and I'm not even a vegetarian. What possesses a person to rag on someone else for NOT eating meat every day?

Please see above instructions. Now if you excuse me, I'm going to get some sprouts and arugula with my "fat" 5'10" size 6 girlfriend. I'm sure GA will be here when I return.

How does she walk upright? 5'6" tall, 375+ pounds and such little (size 6) feet?

Nevermind. I figured it out. Weebles wobble but they don't fall down...

You people need to get a clue. This is the internet for crissake, it's just like the old west, only with keyboards.....

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
I don't care if people eat meat. I dont care if animals die. I do care if people go around attacking someone for not eating it, and I also care when people think not eating meat is unhealthy.

See, that's the problem.....

I can't for the life of me understand why you would care what I, or anyone else thinks......

Obviously, I don't share the same compassion...

Sheesh. He walks in here with his grocer's apostrophe and his "Oh the Humanity" and wonders why he's getting the rip taken...

Unless of course it's just Grun off his meds again.

Mushrooms-Pinot Noir
Risotto-Chianti
Roasted root vegetables-Rhone varietals

I can't be a huge help. I gave up trying to keep to vegetarian cuisine when I discovered wine more than 30 years ago.

Top of the food chain, and loving it.

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Originally posted by Dave Tong:
I'm a vegetarian by proxy. I eat things that eat vegetables.

Hey, DT...that just gave me a chuckle. Thanks.

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
I am a vegetarian and I wanted to know if there are any others of you out there? It's hard to hold a good pairing conversation with someone when they talk about steaks and cab's, when i haven't eaten any animal products for almost 2 years.

I don't care if your vegetarian or not. Eat whatever the hell you like. I love veggies. If it wasn't for the fact that I also like meat and somehow I ended up with sharp enough teeth to rip it to shreds, I'd be a vegetarian too. But I will tell you this: If you've never had a great steak with a great Cab, you haven't had either.

I'm a level 5 vegetarian - I won't eating anything that casts a shadow.

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I found (and still do find them) them really pompous and annoying.

I don't have hardy any vegetarian friends. Vegetarians are usually boorish and opionated.....just like some meat eaters in this board

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Originally posted by Qweniden:

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I found (and still do find them) them really pompous and annoying.

I don't have hardy any vegetarian friends. Vegetarians are usually boorish and opionated.....just like some meat eaters in this board

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I found (and still do find them) them really pompous and annoying.

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I don't have hardy any vegetarian friends. Vegetarians are usually boorish and opionated.....just like some meat eaters in this board

Meat is murder.

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I found (and still do find them) them really pompous and annoying.

I don't have hardy any vegetarian friends. Vegetarians are usually boorish and opionated.....just like some meat eaters in this board

Qweniden, ok, we've got it, you have hardy any vegetarian friends (insert dumb GA crackback about hidden vegetarianism and a screwy mouse).

And cdr11, you? A vegetarian? Good job. Or is this an elaborate setup?

Good morning everyone, back to the subject: I had a decent Chalone 2005 Pinot N two nights ago with a slice of vegetarian pizza. The tangy pizza sauce tasted great with the wine's cherries and tart strawberries.

This is completlely medieval.

Why would anyone in their right mind start venting about other people's food preferences?

But DT's line about proxy vegetarianism was fantastic.

I don't mind vegetarians. It's the "meat is murder" " I won't eat anything with a face & tail" anti-hunting types I think are idiots.

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Originally posted by Ania:
I don't mind vegetarians. It's the "meat is murder" " I won't eat anything with a face & tail" anti-hunting types I think are idiots.

Nice to know that you don't mind us regular vegetarians, and think we're not idiots. I'm happy for your approval, and am so relieved. I'm sure mensa members Mr. Heston and Cat Scratch Fever would agree.

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Originally posted by indybob:

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Originally posted by Ania:
I don't mind vegetarians. It's the "meat is murder" " I won't eat anything with a face & tail" anti-hunting types I think are idiots.

Nice to know that you don't mind us regular vegetarians, and think we're not idiots. I'm happy for your approval, and am so relieved. I'm sure mensa members Mr. Heston and Cat Scratch Fever would agree.

By the tone and content of your post and the fact you took offense to that, I would venture to say you are not just a regular vegatarian. I'm sure PETA would agree.

I was not giving anyone approval. Just stating my opinion. I'm entitled to think anyone I want is an idiot.

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Qweniden, ok, we've got it, you have hardy any vegetarian friends

so...did I offend you?

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Originally posted by Ania:

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Originally posted by indybob:

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Originally posted by Ania:
I don't mind vegetarians. It's the "meat is murder" " I won't eat anything with a face & tail" anti-hunting types I think are idiots.

Nice to know that you don't mind us regular vegetarians, and think we're not idiots. I'm happy for your approval, and am so relieved. I'm sure mensa members Mr. Heston and Cat Scratch Fever would agree.

By the tone and content of your post and the fact you took offense to that, I would venture to say you are not just a regular vegatarian. I'm sure PETA would agree.

I was not giving anyone approval. Just stating my opinion. I'm entitled to think anyone I want is an idiot.

Ya got me, I am looking at my PETA card right now. But, for the record, I'm not one of "those" vegetarians, whatever that is. I eat ethically fished seafood and wear leather. Every now and then I'll have some organic turkey or chicken. My brother-in-law kills an elk each year, and I'll have a nice hunk of it with Thanksgiving dinner each year.
Why do I belong to PETA? I support their beliefs, even if I don't adhere to all of them.

If you eat fish and sometimes chicken, you're not a vegetarian!

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Originally posted by Een:
If you eat fish and sometimes chicken, you're not a vegetarian!

Amazing to me that this has to be spelled out. Incroyable!!!

PH

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Originally posted by Een:
If you eat fish and sometimes chicken, you're not a vegetarian!

Trust me, I know this as well as anyone. I lived in California most of my life, but have been in Indiana for the past several years. Out here, many of the "Hoosiers" as they call themselves, think that if you don't eat red meat (cow, lamb, horse) you're a vegetarian. I'll routinely say I'm a vegetarian, and get offered chicken and even pork in these parts. Bizarre, so I just kind of roll with it and often go with the "Hoosier" vegetarian moniker. Sorry for the confusion.

I reserve the right to have a cut of elk with my family once a year.

You can eat whatever you want but you're no vegetarian. I am from Iowa and live in Chicago and midwesterners are smart enough to understand the term. It's when people use it as you do that it confuses them.

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Originally posted by indybob:
Ya got me, I am looking at my PETA card right now.....I eat ethically fished seafood...Every now and then I'll have some organic turkey or chicken. My brother-in-law kills an elk each year, and I'll have a nice hunk of it with....

indybob,

Your statements confirm that you are not really a vegetarian. Since your brother-in-law hunts elk, what is your opinion of deer hunters? Also, are you aware that the acronym of PETA stands for “People Eating Tasty Animals”?

Altaholic, "BAAAAAAAAAAA!!!", "People Eating Tasty Animals," hilarious, hadn't heard that one before. see my above post

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Originally posted by Een:
You can eat whatever you want but you're no vegetarian. I am from Iowa and live in Chicago and midwesterners are smart enough to understand the term. It's when people use it as you do that it confuses them.

Sorry you're confused.

What's a vegetarian??? That term is foreign to me. However, I did hear once where someone said that a vegetarian is a bad hunter that is incapable of making a kill.

I think the problem stems from people not understanding or even knowing about Genesis 9:3, where God tells Noah, "Every moving thing that liveth shall be food for you". If the Creator of the world says to eat meat, He doesn't have to tell me twice.

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Originally posted by indybob:

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Originally posted by Altaholic:

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Originally posted by indybob:
Ya got me, I am looking at my PETA card right now.....I eat ethically fished seafood...Every now and then I'll have some organic turkey or chicken. My brother-in-law kills an elk each year, and I'll have a nice hunk of it with....

indybob,

Your statements confirm that you are not really a vegetarian. Since your brother-in-law hunts elk, what is your opinion of deer hunters? Also, are you aware that the acronym of PETA stands for “People Eating Tasty Animals”?

Seriously, since you've asked (I'm not always a smart a#%). Regarding hunting, I'd never do it, but I suppose that if you're going to eat red meat, I think that taking a gun out in the woods to shoot something that lived its entire life outdoors, with clean air and water, is nobler, and much healthier than cramming down feedlot burgers.

My hunter bro in law, my sister, and their kids, put that yearly elk in the freezer, and eat it in lieu of store bought beef over the next year (no, they don't live in a dirty trailer in the sticks).

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
I do care if people go around attacking someone for not eating it, and I also care when people think not eating meat is unhealthy.

Generally, it's the vegetarians that are the ones doing the attacking of the omnivores.

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:
And RIT has one of leading nutrition programs in the nation. (I bet they let alot of idiots through there.)

Don't you mean to say "a lot of idiots"?

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
Now go ask your fat girlfriend if you can increase your cellar to 30 bottles......

You'll find her in the back of the trailer..


I actually laughed out loud reading this.

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I am not a vegetarian and the only ones I have met who aren't absolutely silly are the ones who never talk about it.

Trust me, after being asked for the 10,000th time why you don't eat meat, it becomes a weary topic. Now my stock answer to the question is, "So I could have something to talk about at cocktail parties". That usually ends the conversation pretty quick.

BTW, if anyone here is considering being a vegetarian here, allow me to try and talk you out of it. It sucks. If I could eat meat I would. The menu limitations and social awkwardness blows.

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Originally posted by Qweniden:

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I am not a vegetarian and the only ones I have met who aren't absolutely silly are the ones who never talk about it.

Trust me, after being asked for the 10,000th time why you don't eat meat, it becomes a weary topic. Now my stock answer to the question is, "So I could have something to talk about at cocktail parties". That usually ends the conversation pretty quick.

BTW, if anyone here is considering being a vegetarian here, allow me to try and talk you out of it. It sucks. If I could eat meat I would. The menu limitations and social awkwardness blows.

OK, even though you are an herbivore, I'd drink wine with you....

I will only drink wine that's fined with free range chicken egg whites.

If I couldn't eat meat, I'd give up wine too. The two just go together.

Indybob, I am not confused. However, if those inferior midwesterners you are not forced to live amongst don't know what a vegetarian is, it is because there are people wandering around calling themselves vegetarian and then grabbing a chicken leg. See, there's the confusion.

I was a vegetarian for 14 year. I did not eat animals. I now eat animals. Pretty straightforward, no?

One small reason that I started eating meat again was that it is hard to be inconspicuous and I never wanted to stick out and be that type of vegetarian.

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Originally posted by Qweniden:
BTW, if anyone here is considering being a vegetarian here, allow me to try and talk you out of it. It sucks. If I could eat meat I would. The menu limitations and social awkwardness blows.

I must be missing something here.

You COULD eat meat. You choose not to. Then you complain about all the hardships you suffer because you don't.

Choosing whether or not to be a vegetarian is just that, a choice. Live with it without complaining, or change. The choice is yours.

If the reason is medical, I take it back.

THIII

Transitioning back to eating meat is something that must be done slowly. I learned the very hard way. I went to a dinner party thrown by some friends of friends who just moved from Sicily. There was no way I was going to be the picky American so I ate everything. I was sick as a dog the next day. From there on, I started adding meat products in small bites. I now eat it maybe once or twice a week and mostly stick to fish. The only meat I have no urge to eat is chicken but would be swayed if something looked really good.

THIII: Aren't all of the cast aways vegans, or are they eating monkeys or something?

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You COULD eat meat. You choose not to.

To be semantically correct, yes I could eat meat. I would try to explain why I don't but it would sound stupid so I won't. Hopefuly someday I will feel different.

Red Guy:

On a good day, we will catch a warthog for dinner. Still, there are some days where we just have a steady diet of coconut milk. Bleah.

THIII

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Originally posted by Een:
Indybob, I am not confused. However, if those inferior midwesterners you are not forced to live amongst don't know what a vegetarian is, it is because there are people wandering around calling themselves vegetarian and then grabbing a chicken leg. See, there's the confusion.

I was a vegetarian for 14 year. I did not eat animals. I now eat animals. Pretty straightforward, no?

One small reason that I started eating meat again was that it is hard to be inconspicuous and I never wanted to stick out and be that type of vegetarian.

No worries, I'm not holding the chicken leg in one hand and a tofurkey in the other. But, I see your point, well taken, but springing "ovo-lacto-pesca-tarian" on folks is a challenge, so I just eat what I want, and if it includes a couple of hunks of meat once a year at family outings, so be it. And, bummer that you're eating meat in part because you're afraid of sticking out in an omnivorious world.

About stomaching meat after a vegetarian bout. I've heard other complaints about this. In college, I'd gone full blown vegan for three years, and on a spur of the moment, had a double double (In n Out) with cheese, and was fortunate in that it went down and stayed down just fine. Cast iron stomach I guess.

Cheers,

-B

i didnt know this subject was going to be so heated, that being said...

if you think you are better than a veggie, because you eat meat, thats a perposterous way of thinking. your diet does not make you who you are. you make yuor diet.

if you are a veggie and think you are a better person than an omnivore, you are more arrogant than you know.

yes its true that our ancestors hunted animals for food and all that. but the neolithic revolution made it possible for civilizations to come about. so saying meat is the saving grace of humanity is a very generalized statement.

shut up. eat your food on your plate. you dont prove anything to anyone when you insult people in a debate. thats how people on jerry springer operate.

and if you want to contribute to this subject, pair some meat-free dishes with wines.

Sounds good. I just had a nice arugula salad, tomato gnocchi with Parm Regg. with a glass of plain but serviceable La Loggia 2002 Barolo (about 16 bucks at TJ's). Tasted pretty darn nice.

Doesn't sound pretty darn nice.

I just had a duck foie gras burger. I didn't have goose, so I had to work with what I have handy. I live on a golf course, so a couple months ago i caught one of the little suckers, force fed it. i didn't have a gavage, so I went down to home depot and bought a 1 1/2" platic tube, that seemed to work well. I grew up in a rural area in the midwest, so I am confused about the title of this post, but not on a farm, so I wasn't certain what to feed it... I settled on my daughter's rice cereal, since she is 9 months old nearly 30" and 25+ lbs, eating me out of house and home... I thought she is growing like a weed, this must do the trick. Low and behold the best duck fois gras burger EVER.

Now that sounds pretty darn nice!

Unfortunately beggers can't be choosers and I didn't have muscovey or even moulard.... just mallard.

I don’t believe that ohtheHumanity is who he says he is. Supposedly he is 18, a freshman in college, wants to join a wine club and is a pesto sandwich-eating vegetarian. When I was 18 and in college if I wasn’t in class or studying, I was drinking beer illegally or trying to get laid. I’m not buying ohtheHumanity’s story!!

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Originally posted by Board-O:
Doesn't sound pretty darn nice.

Actually, it was pretty damn nice.

Sky, sound like some gud vittles. I hope CPS came a'knockin' at your tent on that golf course of your'n to aks 'bout that skinny dotter of your'n.

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Originally posted by Altaholic:
I don’t believe that ohtheHumanity is who he says he is. Supposedly he is 18, a freshman in college, wants to join a wine club and is a pesto sandwich-eating vegetarian. When I was 18 and in college if I wasn’t in class or studying, I was drinking beer illegally or trying to get laid. I’m not buying ohtheHumanity’s story!!

And by the looks of things, you're still getting high between the O's. It's a little implausible, yes, but I believe ohtheHumanity's story. I had a roommate in college very similar to him/her. No my roomie Gary didn't get laid much, needless to say.

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CPS came a'knockin' at your tent on that golf course of your'n to aks 'bout that skinny dotter of your'n.

First of all, don't talk about my daughter. You want to respond to me about my post, which was made in jest, that is fine.

Secondly, I grew up in the Midwest, but now I live in La Costa, California, so I no longer speak that Indiana slang...

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Originally posted by Sky:

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CPS came a'knockin' at your tent on that golf course of your'n to aks 'bout that skinny dotter of your'n.

First of all, don't talk about my daughter. You want to respond to me about my post, which was made in jest, that is fine.

Secondly, I grew up in the Midwest, but now I live in La Costa, California, so I no longer speak that Indiana slang...

You'll have to excuse me, my trigger finger is pretty twitchy these days, I'm sure you understand.

But, you're the one ripping your daughter's rice cereal, not me.

Had me a pork rib roast last night. OK, to be more correct, I had me a half pork rib roast. (The rest of the family had the other half.) Mmmmmmm good. So good, I didn't have time to figure out what wine to drink with it. So good, that's ALL I had, pork roast. This seems to be a common occurance in my house.

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Originally posted by indybob:
And by the looks of things, you're still getting high between the O's.....

indybob, you know nothing about me. Therefore, please do not make baseless statements about me. The post that you referenced didn’t even pertain to you unless, of course, Indybob is aka ohtheHumanity.

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Originally posted by ohtheHumanity:

and if you want to contribute to this subject, pair some meat-free dishes with wines.

OK, I'll play. We had this pasta last night, and while I didn't expect the pairing to work, it was really good with a 2004 Quinta de Camarate (Portugal). The pasta dish is really good despite the misgivings I had when I saw the recipe.

Welcome to the forums OhtheHumanity. When I saw your first post, I knew you would get a warm welcome.

Steve8, Actually that recipe sounds pretty good. I like cauliflower but I would be a little apprehensive about it in my pasta.

i am 18. i study. i dont drink alcohol in excess. and i dont have a hard time getting laid. im not your typical 18 year old.

and i also get that 99.99% of you people like meat. thats cool. i liked meat at one point in time. i used to be the kid that only ate the meat off his plate.

the truth is this thread is for veggie food pairings. not for your ignorant jokes and comments aobut how much you hate vegetarians. go boost your ego someplace else... like in real life perhaps?

Try it Alta. We were too, but really pleasantly surprised with the results. Next time I'm going to use oriecchettie (sp?) instead of spaghetti, because I think it will work better with the chunkiness of the sauce.

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Originally posted by Altaholic:

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Originally posted by indybob:
And by the looks of things, you're still getting high between the O's.....

indybob, you know nothing about me. Therefore, please do not make baseless statements about me. The post that you referenced didn’t even pertain to you unless, of course, Indybob is aka ohtheHumanity.

Hey, it's not my fault that I read a little something into your spelling of your homestate. Feel free to blast away with jokes about dirt naps. And me, ohtheHumanity? C'mon now.

And ohtheHumanity, you seem like a nice kid. If you want nice gentle banter, join www.thathomesite.com
If you haven't noticed already, this forum is filled with Masters of the Universe types along with the obligatory paper tigers, and most have the huge egos to match.

We've got about five pages of bickering here now, and that's after I've made my best effort to remove the worst of it. Please try to make an effort to show a little respect for one another or I'll just close down the thread.

This goes for the rest of the vegetarian/carnivore battles that have been waged this week as well.

Robert Taylor
Associate Editor
Wine Spectator Online

ohtheHumanity meet Shane. Shane this is ohtheHumanity.....

Steve,

I clicked on your link but nothing would come up. This is a really simple pasta that I throw together in the summertime when we have fresh Roma tomatoes and Italian Flatleaf Parsley.

Prepare the Roma's ahead of time by cutting in half, removing the messy inside, and dicing them in 1/2" pieces. I usually use six. Heat some light olive oil in a pan, and add several garlic cloves that have been peeled and smashed. Use quite a bit of oil as this will be used to coat the pasta. Throw the garlic into the oil before it gets hot, smashing them further to release their flavor. Try to keep each smashed clove together because you will remove them once they start to brown.

After removing the garlic, add the tomatoes, cut-up parsley, and a little salt and pepper, cooking for 5-8 minutes (depending on how cooked you like your tomatoes). I like to throw in some red pepper flakes too, to add some spice to it, but that's just me.

Use tongs to remove spaghetti from the water when it's done, and add directly to the mixture. Toss and serve. This goes great with a Mastroberadino Falanghina wine.

To mix things up a bit try adding a little wine to the sauce after you add the tomatoes. Clams and mussels go well with this too.

There, that's my contribution to the vegetarian menu planning. And yes, I learned this from my landlord's wife in Napoli.

There is so much (authentic) Italian food that is vegetarian, I'm surprised no one has made a serious reply to this. I'd personally like to know too. This board seems to know a lot about meat and fish, but what about classics like

1) Insalata Caprese
2) Penne alla Vodka
3) Spaghetti al Pomodoro e Basilico
4) Spaghetti alla Carbonara
5) Gnocchi alla Gorgonzola

Lou, not sure why the link doesn't work for you. I just tried it again and it took me there. Epicurious.com. Search for pasta, cauliflower and olives. It should be the only recipe there with those criteria.

Peer Gynt, doesn't carbonara use pancetta?

Yes.

Ah, true. And Vodka sauce sometimes has prosciutto.

But the others.

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Originally posted by Peer Gynt:
And Vodka sauce sometimes has prosciutto.

Mmmmmmmmm......prosciutto. And mozzarella di bufala.....now there's an item I can eat without any meat.

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Originally posted by louzarius:

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Originally posted by Peer Gynt:
And Vodka sauce sometimes has prosciutto.

Mmmmmmmmm......prosciutto. And mozzarella di bufala.....now there's an item I can eat without any meat.

Absolutely.

Is it tough giving up meat? I have been wanting to go on a vegetarian diet for a month or two to lose some weight. I once made it up to 7 hours without meat. I had to fry up some eggs and bacon just to calm my nerves.

bacon is meat...

and you dont loose weight just because you go veg...

people think that you loose weight when youre veg because its hard to find a fat veget. truth is thetre is just a high correlation of being veg. and being calorie concious.

if you want to loose weight i suggest eating smaller portions of healthier meat. (turkey buffalo ostrich...) and eating more veggies. theres no need to give up meat to loose weight.

I know bacon is meat.

Meat is harder to digest then vegetables, if you do go on a vegetarian diet you will lose weight and improve your digestion and increase enzymes, speed up elimination etc. There is more to weight than just calories.

enzymes? improve digestion? that doesnt mean anything if you still eat 1000 calories more than what your body needs.

americans hate to think that eating smarter, (usually less) is the way to loose weight. thats why the wieght loss industy is such a large market. americans want the cheap way out.

Eating a smaller portion is good, mostly because it is easier to digest. From what I understand you should eat about as much as you can hold in two cupped hands.

Think about this, if a person ate 4000 calories of celery a day, and another person ate 4000 calories of meat or cheese. Who would be the thinner person?

actually there is so little calories in celery... that you burn calories for when you chew. its basically crunchy water... pick another vegtable it wont matter.

you are thinking in nutritional extremes... no one eats like that so its not a practical application.

Then reconsider the question by replacing celery with an apple. I know apples have calories.

see edited post...

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enzymes? improve digestion? that doesnt mean anything if you still eat 1000 calories more than what your body needs.

What you do not understand is this statement is a fallacy. Sure calories matter, I am not saying they do not. It is just that there are other factors.

4000 calories of food x vs. 4000 calories food y. you can do it with anything you want. but in the end all those "diet tricks" that you read in magazines at the supermarket only offset your calorie needs by 100-200. so unless you write your calorie intake down and keep neurotic track of it and balance it all off... youre just fooling yourself. eat less calories = store less fat = body uses stored enegery = loose body fat.

i agree with you that there are other factors to your bodys metabolism. but not eating meat for easier digestion... isnt going to loose you any weight.

Come on, ohtheHumanity - 'fess up. Who are you? If you really are an 18 year old kid, your spelling and punctuation are perhaps the worst I have ever seen. This is either an exaggeration to make us believe you are a kid, or you just might be an 18 year old, but should have been held back in second or third grade to learn punctuation and spelling. I think you're pulling one on us, so come clean.

no.

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Originally posted by cdr11:
Come on, ohtheHumanity - 'fess up. Who are you? If you really are an 18 year old kid, your spelling and punctuation are perhaps the worst I have ever seen. This is either an exaggeration to make us believe you are a kid, or you just might be an 18 year old, but should have been held back in second or third grade to learn punctuation and spelling. I think you're pulling one on us, so come clean.

Nope, he's the real thing (right )

He just wants to make everyone happy and wants them to all feel good. He should have chosen a more appropriate screen name....

My suggestion...blowtheHumanity.

And the other recent forum freak should have called himself WankingPeni$......

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- indulge yourselves with something really exotic!

* 1 Madagascarian Lemur, 2 medium zucchinis, 4 teaspoons olive oil
* Bake in 375F oven for 20 minutes.
* Sprinkle lemur with cheese mixture
* Makes 10 servings - great for freezing!
* Serve with an nice Santa Margarhita Pinot Grigio, and why not take a pic with your digicam and send it to World Wildlife Fund?

Baked Panda Parmesan
- perfect for birthdays


* 1 adult Panda (serves eight), 2 1/4 cups grated Parmesan cheese, divided
* Preheat oven to 400F. While panda is cooking, put broccoli into a large saucepan; add water to cover
* Bake panda until lightly browned and bubbly, about 25 minutes.
* Serve with a Santa Margarhita Pinot Grigio. Afterwards, why not phone a lesbian (ex-girlfriend or something) and tell her how good your meal was?

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your spelling and punctuation are perhaps the worst I have ever seen. This is either an exaggeration to make us believe you are a kid, or you just might be an 18 year old, but should have been held back in second or third grade to learn punctuation and spelling.

A lot of people get to college with poor grammar, sentence structure and punctuation. Usually it improves in composition classes when the teacher marks their paper with a red pen and then makes them resubmit their papers. College composition courses helped my writing quite a bit. Much more than highschool or the rules they teach in elementary school.

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Originally posted by spo:
I know bacon is meat.

Meat is harder to digest then vegetables, if you do go on a vegetarian diet you will lose weight and improve your digestion and increase enzymes, speed up elimination etc. There is more to weight than just calories.

Hi spo,

I see what you're saying, but think of calories as gasoline. You can put 10 gallons of regular in your car, and you might go 250 miles. You can put 10 gal of Super in there, and you'll be going basically the same distance, but might get there a little more quickly, and burn off some engine deposits in the process.

We're definately bombarded with lots of contradictory info, but if you put 100 calories of brocolli in one hand, and 100 cals of sugar in the other, the mass and volume difference will be obvious. But, eat those two things, and your body will think, "I just received 200 calories," and decide, based on your activity level (and metabolism), whether to store or burn those calories.

Sitting on the couch and eating 3000 calories a day in brocolli, bell peppers and spinach will definately make you fat, not to mention have gas out the wazoooo.

As a sidenote, some folks are genetically predisposed to large weight gain. Folks from tiny pacific islands often have to fight this when they come to "the mainland." Islanders historically have had regular periods of famine to contend with, and those who were good at keeping weight on had a distinct advantage.



Good luck,

Where do you get the information that a vegetarian diet increases enzymes and aids in digestion?

Acutally, if you ate all your food raw, it would increase enzymes and aid in digestion. Raw food contains enzymes that allow it to autodigest to a point (cooking destroys those and many vitamins etc...)and decreases the strain on the pancreas caused by cooked foods. Also, the body attacks cooked food as a foreign body and releases white blood cells to attack it as soon as you eat the first bite. So, if you really wnated to be as healthy as possible, you would be on a raw instead of a vegetarian diet.

Ania, Meat and cheese are difficult to digest when compared to fruits and vegetables. They use up enzymes and slow down digestion and elimination. If you stop eating meat for a while it is far less taxing on the digestive system. You are aware that the body produces enzymes, right. Also consider the role the liver plays in digestion and the break down and elimination of fats. A vegetarian diet gives your liver a rest.

I read that cooked food is treated as a pathogen. It does not really matter though. It still has nutrients. Some people with poor digestion cannot access the nutrients in raw foods.

Indybob, I will leave out the sitting on the couch part but "eating 3000 calories a day in brocolli, bell peppers and spinach will definately make you fat, not to mention have gas out the wazoooo."

I am not sure about that. Gas is caused by indigestion. The only time I get gas is when I overeat. Otherwise it does not matter what food I eat. Not even Saurkraut gives me gas.

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Originally posted by spo:

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your spelling and punctuation are perhaps the worst I have ever seen. This is either an exaggeration to make us believe you are a kid, or you just might be an 18 year old, but should have been held back in second or third grade to learn punctuation and spelling.

A lot of people get to college with poor grammar, sentence structure and punctuation. Usually it improves in composition classes when the teacher marks their paper with a red pen and then makes them resubmit their papers. College composition courses helped my writing quite a bit. Much more than highschool or the rules they teach in elementary school.

Seems like a waste of twelve or thirteen years of school if you can't write legibly by the time you are graduating from high school.

Granted, my high school days were 25 years ago, but they taught us spelling, punctuation and sentence structure before fifth grade......

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:

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Originally posted by spo:

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your spelling and punctuation are perhaps the worst I have ever seen. This is either an exaggeration to make us believe you are a kid, or you just might be an 18 year old, but should have been held back in second or third grade to learn punctuation and spelling.

A lot of people get to college with poor grammar, sentence structure and punctuation. Usually it improves in composition classes when the teacher marks their paper with a red pen and then makes them resubmit their papers. College composition courses helped my writing quite a bit. Much more than highschool or the rules they teach in elementary school.

Seems like a waste of twelve or thirteen years of school if you can't write legibly by the time you are graduating from high school.

Granted, my high school days were 25 years ago, but they taught us spelling, punctuation and sentence structure before fifth grade......

Of course they teach it to everyone. People just do not seem to retain it. I still remember at SDSU the professors holding a stack of class essays and voicing their frustration, irritation even anger at the grammar and writing mechanics found within a majority of the papers.

Take a class of second graders. Every single day they have to write. Of course this requires a period at the beginning of the sentence and the correct ending punctuation. Take a two week break and they have completely forgotten it. Guess what happens over the summer.

Who is to blame? Lazy students, stupid teachers, parents, you tell me.

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Originally posted by spo:

Indybob, I will leave out the sitting on the couch part but "eating 3000 calories a day in brocolli, bell peppers and spinach will definately make you fat, not to mention have gas out the wazoooo."

I am not sure about that. Gas is caused by indigestion. The only time I get gas is when I overeat. Otherwise it does not matter what food I eat. Not even Saurkraut gives me gas.

spo,

Lots of fiber in these green veggie items, much of which (the cell walls, that animal tissue don't have) is indigestible to us, hence the gas. Crank down a medium sized bowl of all-bran, and you'll see this in action, just don't plan having a nice, intimate evening alone with your sig. other for a couple of days. If this kind of roughage doesn't affect you, you're definately lucky.

Cheers,

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Lots of fiber in these green veggie items, much of which (the cell walls, that animal tissue don't have) is indigestible to us, hence the gas.

You still digest it, but only to a certain degree. We all know how carrots, corn and peanuts exit. I am convinced the gas is from a bacterial imbalance or lack of bacteria that aid in digestion.

When I get the will power to go vegetarian for a month or two I will report back. I cannot really argue my hypothesis without testing it. It would be unethical. I am convinced the digestive system, especially the liver and bacteria found in the tract are extremely important to your weight.

Ewwww...



Basta!!!

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Originally posted by spo:
Think about this, if a person ate 4000 calories of celery a day, and another person ate 4000 calories of meat or cheese. Who would be the thinner person?

I could eat them both and still be thinner than the other two.

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
And the other recent forum freak should have called himself WankingPeni$......

Now that's FUNNY!!

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Originally posted by louzarius:

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Originally posted by spo:
Think about this, if a person ate 4000 calories of celery a day, and another person ate 4000 calories of meat or cheese. Who would be the thinner person?

I could eat them both and still be thinner than the other two.

I read about your ability to not gain wait. I also read you don't work, your wife does. Some guys have all the luck.

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Originally posted by spo:
Who is to blame? Lazy students, stupid teachers, parents, you tell me.

You've got it backwards. It's stupid students, lazy teachers, and lazy parents.

....and I never said I didn't work. I said, "I stay home".

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Originally posted by WalkingPhoenix:

Gain "wait"?

weight

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Originally posted by Ania:
Where do you get the information that a vegetarian diet increases enzymes and aids in digestion?

Acutally, if you ate all your food raw, it would increase enzymes and aid in digestion. Raw food contains enzymes that allow it to autodigest to a point (cooking destroys those and many vitamins etc...)and decreases the strain on the pancreas caused by cooked foods. Also, the body attacks cooked food as a foreign body and releases white blood cells to attack it as soon as you eat the first bite. So, if you really wnated to be as healthy as possible, you would be on a raw instead of a vegetarian diet.

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
Granted, my high school days were 25 years ago, but they taught us spelling, punctuation and sentence structure before fifth grade......

Yeah. Too bad it was at the expense of logic.

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Originally posted by mimik:

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
Granted, my high school days were 25 years ago, but they taught us spelling, punctuation and sentence structure before fifth grade......

Yeah. Too bad it was at the expense of logic.

Only your twisted communist/Canadian upbringing would skew your view to that conclusion.....

I agree with spo about the weight loss thing. Overall health, genetics, stress levels, and what you eat are very important. There's more to it than calories in/calories out.

Eating lots of sugar/carbs brings up your insulin levels and encourages the body to build up fat reserves. Also, drinking alcohol slows your metabolism and makes it hard for you to burn those calories off.

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:

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Originally posted by mimik:

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
Granted, my high school days were 25 years ago, but they taught us spelling, punctuation and sentence structure before fifth grade......

Yeah. Too bad it was at the expense of logic.

Only your twisted communist/Canadian upbringing would skew your view to that conclusion.....

That's what I love about you GA. You have a sense of humour. You take it and you can dish it back. even in a post-modern McCarthyism kinda way.

So, my question is, "Is WankingPhoenix really Serge (the unspeakableth one.)?"

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Originally posted by WalkingPhoenix:

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Originally posted by spo:

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Originally posted by louzarius:

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Originally posted by spo:
Think about this, if a person ate 4000 calories of celery a day, and another person ate 4000 calories of meat or cheese. Who would be the thinner person?

I could eat them both and still be thinner than the other two.

I read about your ability to not gain wait. I also read you don't work, your wife does. Some guys have all the luck.

Gain "wait"?

Good one. Serge would have never caught that.

Yeah. Maybe you are right, Nasty Bits. But he's very Serge-like, in a annoying and attention seeking way...

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Originally posted by louzarius:

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Originally posted by spo:
Who is to blame? Lazy students, stupid teachers, parents, you tell me.

You've got it backwards. It's stupid students, lazy teachers, and lazy parents.

You have no idea......

Ah. I wondered where this thread went. I presumed that it got pulled.

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Originally posted by Dave Tong:
Ah. I wondered where this thread went. I presumed that it got pulled.

I tried hard last week, but couldn't quite get it pulled.

If God wanted us to be vegeterian then why did he make animals out of meat?

I tried to go VEGAN, I made it through my first bowl of rice crispies, but then lunch came and I need a Burger.

Why do VEGANS who oppose meat, call their Burgers Burgers, i.e Vegi-Burgers. They aren't burgers, and just the word burgers go against what many of them believe.

its not what theyre are called, its what theyre made out of that counts. i could call brown rice beef rice and it wouldnt matter.

yes but then why do you call it a burger. Why can't Vegan's come up with their own name.

A Soy Burger. If you want to eat Soy eat Soy but don't make it into the shape of something that some vegans hate and call it a burger. Grill some soybeans and put it on a roll.