Was just messing around today, looking up release dates for products that I usually buy up on ... thought I'd share some of the more interesting ones. Plus, this should answer a couple of the questions posed on some other threads:

Solaia '04 - April 26 release, expected price is $149

Yalumba Signature '03 - April 12 release, expected price is $44.95

Massetto 04 - January Classics catalogue, $289 SET

Shafer Hillside Select '03 - January Classics, price TBD

Clos des Papes '05 - part of a "special event" in March - this could be another taste and buy, or a meet-the-winemaker, or whatever! All I know is, to be allocated some of the product, your name has to be on the entry list...

Oh, and it looks like the March event will be Chateauneuf-based, because they've also brought in several top vintages of Beaucastel for the same event (91, 90, 90, 95, 98).
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Originally posted by DoktaP:
MM,

Thanks for the information. Now, I just have to start saving my pennies. Like most people on this thread, I'm interested in just about everything you mentioned, just a bit shy on the dough.


Ha... I'm broke before this release....
Thanks for the info as always.

Anybody care to ballpark the Shafer Hillside Select price? Will it be over $200?

The Signature looks like a buy for me...slowly building a vertical....and the special tasting event would be nice to hit..as long as it is west of TO.

bfw
I'd say $280CDN for the Hillside ...

And let's not get too interested in the CdP event ... they tried to do the same thing for a Dominus vertical this year, but it got scrapped, and we ended up seeing a vertical release of Dominus on the sly. Same thing COULD happen here ...
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Originally posted by MeritageMan:
Was just messing around today, looking up release dates for products that I usually buy up on ... thought I'd share some of the more interesting ones. Plus, this should answer a couple of the questions posed on some other threads:

Solaia '04 - April 26 release, expected price is $149
Isn't $149 the price they had for the '02 (before they started discounting it) and the '03 Solaia at LCBO? Since they've raised the price for '04 by 25% at the winery and at wine shops in Italy, I'd be very surprised to see the price unchanged in Ontario... very gratified, but surprised.
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Originally posted by bfw:
The Signature looks like a buy for me...slowly building a vertical....
bfw


You're in good shape maintaining your verticle of The Signature for one more year because, unlike the '02 vintage which received a 96 score from Parker, the '03 vintage received a relatively pedestrian 92, so you're not likely going to get a buying frenzy like what just happened a couple of weeks ago with the '02's.

RP 92 scores from Parker for Aussies are practically a dime a dozen.
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Originally posted by maverickdrinker:
There was a dominus vertical tasting at the food and wine expo.

Don't worry. You didn't miss much. Speaker was ugh!


Ha ha ... I think it was Peter hosting that tasting? I can understand Smile

But actually, the ORIGINAL vertical tasting was supposed to be 1991-2003, not 1996-03 ... but as soon as they released the inventory, the '91 and the '94 went first, so there was no more hope of doing the full vertical.

OTW: The drawback of the LCBO (for everyone keeping track of the US dollar/no price reduction issue) is that prices are negotiated way too far in advance to take advantage of fluctuations, such as currency.

The ADVANTAGES of the LCBO are ... well, since the prices are negotiated in advance, AND we buy lots and lots of the bad vintages, just the same as the good ... usually big price changes don't feel so big here!

PLUS ... Antinori sells the LCBO almost their entire lineup, in massive quantities. I'm pretty sure that the Board won't be jerked around.

For the record, though, I stand by my original prediction. IF the price goes up, it will NOT be over $169.
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Originally posted by MeritageMan:

OTW: The drawback of the LCBO (for everyone keeping track of the US dollar/no price reduction issue) is that prices are negotiated way too far in advance to take advantage of fluctuations, such as currency.

The ADVANTAGES of the LCBO are ... well, since the prices are negotiated in advance, AND we buy lots and lots of the bad vintages, just the same as the good ... usually big price changes don't feel so big here!

PLUS ... Antinori sells the LCBO almost their entire lineup, in massive quantities. I'm pretty sure that the Board won't be jerked around.

For the record, though, I stand by my original prediction. IF the price goes up, it will NOT be over $169.


This makes a lot of sense to me. It also stands to reason that we get completely hosed on Bordeaux because Bordeaux is the one region of the world that simply does not negotiate pricing to the trade... The negotiants set prices at various levels as they sell through their waves (tranches) of product, and everyone pays the same price.

The result is that the LCBO markup is brutal, because it isn't being offset by a negotiated reduction in price at source.
There's a kind of classical example of "LCBO pricing" that I like to draw upon to provide a good example of what I mean.

C Moueix. We buy several thousand cases from the various wineries under his control every year. Hence, prices are negotiated well in advance, and large vintage swings in price are not felt as much here. Combine that with the LCBO "kinda-flat-markup" scheme, and it's a recipe for some very good things.

http://www.vintages.com/futures/bordeaux-futures-2005/b...-bank-2005_list.html

Petrus is on the list for $1295 CDN per bottle. (again, when the dollar was ~.80)

Now, try finding the best price online for Petrus futures anywhere else in the world, and compare for yourself Smile
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Originally posted by MeritageMan:
There's a kind of classical example of "LCBO pricing" that I like to draw upon to provide a good example of what I mean.

C Moueix. We buy several thousand cases from the various wineries under his control every year. Hence, prices are negotiated well in advance, and large vintage swings in price are not felt as much here. Combine that with the LCBO "kinda-flat-markup" scheme, and it's a recipe for some very good things.

http://www.vintages.com/futures/bordeaux-futures-2005/b...-bank-2005_list.html

Petrus is on the list for $1295 CDN per bottle. (again, when the dollar was ~.80)

Now, try finding the best price online for Petrus futures anywhere else in the world, and compare for yourself Smile


2005 Petrus Futures was $2800usd....didn't anything cheaper....now it is close to $5k....

Now give a damn explanation on 2006 Petrus at $1295 LCBO and $995 SAQ..... Mad Wink
Has anyone seen the insane prices of Chateau Latour in the last VMail sent out today?

Are these idiots out of their minds?

ChÂteau Latour 2002 - 750 mL $825

ChÂteau Latour 2001 - 750 mL $755

I am willing to offer a package deal for a bottle of each of these..... $1500. Save $80!!! Act now and I will throw in a 7 year vertical of Malivoire Old Vines Foch! Razz Big Grin

Am seriously considering dumping all of my high end stuff at the next auction. I can't justify drinking wines that people are willing to pay almost a grand a bottle for. And these are GOOD wines, not great ones. Insane!

Oh, $2169 for a 2000 Latour? GREAT deal for a wine that may start to be drinkable in 15-20 years! Eek
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Originally posted by Baird:
I am willing to offer a package deal for a bottle of each of these..... $1500. Save $80!!! Act now and I will throw in a 7 year vertical of Malivoire Old Vines Foch! Razz Big Grin


Man, only 7 years? If it were 8, you might have had a deal! Smile
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Originally posted by aav28:
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Originally posted by MeritageMan:
There's a kind of classical example of "LCBO pricing" that I like to draw upon to provide a good example of what I mean.

C Moueix. We buy several thousand cases from the various wineries under his control every year. Hence, prices are negotiated well in advance, and large vintage swings in price are not felt as much here. Combine that with the LCBO "kinda-flat-markup" scheme, and it's a recipe for some very good things.

http://www.vintages.com/futures/bordeaux-futures-2005/b...-bank-2005_list.html

Petrus is on the list for $1295 CDN per bottle. (again, when the dollar was ~.80)

Now, try finding the best price online for Petrus futures anywhere else in the world, and compare for yourself Smile


2005 Petrus Futures was $2800usd....didn't anything cheaper....now it is close to $5k....

Now give a damn explanation on 2006 Petrus at $1295 LCBO and $995 SAQ..... Mad Wink


the 2006 Petrus was $800 and change in Alberta - even cheaper than SAQ by a good bit
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Originally posted by Baird:
Has anyone seen the insane prices of Chateau Latour in the last VMail sent out today?

Are these idiots out of their minds?

ChÂteau Latour 2002 - 750 mL $825

ChÂteau Latour 2001 - 750 mL $755

I am willing to offer a package deal for a bottle of each of these..... $1500. Save $80!!! Act now and I will throw in a 7 year vertical of Malivoire Old Vines Foch! Razz Big Grin

Am seriously considering dumping all of my high end stuff at the next auction. I can't justify drinking wines that people are willing to pay almost a grand a bottle for. And these are GOOD wines, not great ones. Insane!

Oh, $2169 for a 2000 Latour? GREAT deal for a wine that may start to be drinkable in 15-20 years! Eek


it's beyond crazy - the 2002 Latour was just $225 at the LCBO 2 years ago. I might grab a few Bernadottes as I have a few 2000s
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Originally posted by bman:
Hey MM, I was in your store in August but you were off then.

Any sign of aged (1994 or earlier) vintage ports? Or Aussie dessert wines?


bman,

Check the Small Lots Collection 3rd Offer. A bunch of Port in that release, including 1994 Croft, Delaforce, and Taylor-Fladgate, a few 2003s and a even a 1963 Taylor. The link on the website is hard to find since they've got that stupid "Holiday Glamour" splash on the front page.
Thanks fut. I checked it yesterday (in fact I ordered some sauternes Smile) but the port prices are way too high.

And I've pretty much stopped buying anything after 1995 - I've got lots, and I may be dead before they're at their peak. and yes, I COULD leave them for my wife and kids, but they'd just auction them off....
Bman:

I'm off alot nowadays ... last year of school Big Grin

Small lots offer is great, I also heard of some older stuff being "found" at the QQ location (a friend picked up some '03 Forts de Latour Big Grin)

Unfortunately, the price point for the older ports is getting ridiculous. I'll check to see if there are any good releases in Classics/Vintages over the next few months and report back tomorrow!

Sorry I missed ya ... but hey, I'm (finally) on these boards, and I'll try and keep everyone in the know Smile
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Originally posted by MeritageMan:
$995 at SAQ?!?!?!

%(#@*%^&%@!!!

*fills gas*

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Talk about crazy....

2 bottles of Las Cases 2003 next to each other on the shelf one $230 other $390...guess which one I took Smile

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