Toronto Wine Cru - Feb 11 - Wine List Planning

Folks

Starting a new thread as the old is getting abit long:

Attendees

Duojet
Bigprovolone
Doktap
Aav28
Vintoronto and spouse
Jhcolman and spouse
Stewart and sig other
Mangiare and spouse
Robert Sutherland
Winederlust

Wine Flights

By flight, so that we can see how it all comes together (and avoid too many single wine flights):

Old World Left Bank Bordeaux VS New World Cabarnet

New World
jhcolman - either a 1996 La Jota Cabernet Sauvignon or a 1995 Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon
Robert Sutherland - 2004 Kenwood Cabernet Sauvignon Artist Series
Magiare - 2003 Clark-Claudon Cabernet Sauvignon Ten Year Anniversary

Old World
jhcolman - 1978 Beycheville
Winderlust - a 1990 Batailley
Mangiare - 2000 Chateau Senejac Haut-Medoc and a 2000 Chateau Potensac Medoc



Old World Vs New World Pinot

Old World
VinToronto - 1993 Domaine Barthod-Noëllat Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Aux Beaux Bruns and a 1997 Faiveley Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Aux Chaignots.

New World
BigProvolone - possibly 2006 Cherry Ave Single Vineyard, 2007 Cherry Ave and Laidlaw and 2008 Laidlaw (Unreleased)
Duojet - Paul Hobbs pinot noir



Old vs New World Sauvignon Blanc

Old World
WInderlust - 2006 Smith-Haut-Lafitte

New World
??????



Bordeaux Right Bank vs New World Merlot or Meritage

Old World
Jhcolman - I might be convinced to bring a 2001 L'Evangile if someone matches it with New World bottle of equal interest.

New World
Bigprovolone - Possibly a 2007 Tawse Meritage.



Italian - IGT Sangiovese

Old World
BigProvolone - 1997 ISOLE E OLENA

New World
????



France Hermitage
Big Provolone - possibly Chapoutier Hermitage La Sizeranne 1998 and 1996



Chardonnay

Old World
Robert Sutherland - 2006 Bouchard Aîné et Fils Meursault

New World
Duojet - a Hanzell or Kistler chard


Robert Sutherland has offered to recast the above by attendee, just so that each person knows what they are thinking of or have offered to date.


Cheers

Julian
Original Post
Ok Just to simplify i think my name appears a few too many times, why dont i narrow it down to the following 2 bottles;

2007 Meritage, Tawse Niagara
1997 Isole E Olena Cepparello, Tuscany (Sangiovese) or either the 1996 or 1998 La Sizeranne which ever works best with the flights, or i can bring either a 2007 or 2008 Pinot from Tawse, I have the 2007 Cherry St and the 2007 17th street and the 2008 Cherry St and the 2008 Laidlaw
Hi Bigprovolone

Sounds like you have a great cellar!

You may wish to wait and see what others post, and then make a judgement call.

To help, I will revise the flight / wine list once all or most folks post, along with any suggestions to streamline the number of flights.

And I look forward to meeting you. I too a relatively new to the group.

Cheers

Julian
Hi Folks

Wine List

We're almost there. We have suggested flights and wines from all but aav28, DokTap and Stewart (and sig other). We'll look forward to hearing from them.

Dinner

On the topic of dinner, I need to confirm our menu format to Crush.

As per my earlier email, we can go with either a fixed price menu with a couple or few choices per course (at a cost of $65 for their mid priced menu; see their website) or a limited choice A La Carte menu; full A La Carte is not available in a private room. The A La Carte has soups at $10, appetizers and salads at $15, entrees at $25 to $30 and deserts not shown, but likely available at $10; I'd bet coffee is $3. So an A La Carte meal will likely come to $40 to $65, dependent upon what and how much you order.

However, with a fixed price menu, each course will arrive (for all) at the same time, allowing us to have wine tasting between courses. This is somewhat more difficult when folks are ordering fewer or greater numbers of courses with varying preparation times.

However, I will need majority agreement on the Fixed Price Menu, as we will then be committed to that. Additionally, as you know, there is a $1,000 minimum spend for the room; assuming 20 wines at $10 corkage per, that works out to $61 minimum in food spend per person. A fixed price meal committment will ensure that we get there (the $1,000 min spend). Conversely, if we go a la carte and say the average bill is $45 pp + $10 per bottle corkage, we will be $170 short, with everyone paying a further $12 per person for food that was never served (to get to the minimum spend).

So .. decision time folks. I need a 2/3 majority for a $65 Fixed Price Menu, or I will go with A La Carte. And if the majority agree to the Fixed Price Menu, then all will be committed. I have not checked but do not believe that Crush (or any restaurant) would offer a mix of both to a group in a private room. So be warned now.

So please vote ASAP, as I need to let Crush know: Fixed Price or A La Carte. We'll go with 2/3 majority.

Cheers

Julian
Duojet
There is information to convey, which takes words. And I am sometimes longer winded. You will have to put up with that. But there has been abit too much whining through this organisation process. It takes abit (or more than abit) of effort to do this. And I am not done yet. Consideration and thanks are better motivators than complaints. Others new members will need to be motivated to do this. I think I may pass the reins to someone else, to organise the next event. Cheers. Julian.
Folks

Dinner

We will do the Prix Fixe, as 12 out of 14 have responded and all voted for Prix Fixe at $65.

Wines

All posted but Stewart (and Cynthia), Aav28 and DokTap. I also have to add another wine (a chardonnay TBD), on behalf of my wife, to share with all. I'm heading out of town for a week commening on the 29th, and would be grateful if all are posted well before then, so that we can all see how the flights are working out, and eliminate any small flights (ie flights of 1 or 2), if the participants are willing.

I will repost the wine list around the middel of the week.

Thanks for your generous contributions, all.
It looks like I must be out of town the weekend of the 11th. I was unable to rearrange my schedule and must take a pass. Undoubtedly, this evening will be a resounding success based on the participants, their enthusiasm, and the quality of the food and wine. Please post copious notes in order that I can get an appreciation of the offline and enjoy vicariously.
Just to clean things up a bit... I've taken license as to my interpretation of intent from some of the forumite's posts as to what they are planning on bringing (i.e. "I'll bring x if someone else does, otherwise I'll bring y

Old World Left Bank Bordeaux VS New World Cabernet

New World
jhcolman - either a 1996 La Jota Cabernet Sauvignon OR 1995 Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon
Robert Sutherland - 2004 Kenwood Cabernet Sauvignon Artist Series
Magiare - 2003 Clark-Claudon Cabernet Sauvignon Ten Year Anniversary

Old World
jhcolman - 1978 Beycheville
Winderlust - a 1990 Batailley
Mangiare - 2000 Chateau Senejac Haut-Medoc & 2000 Chateau Potensac Medoc
Aav28 – Bordeaux (This flight or Right Bank flight)

Bordeaux Right Bank vs New World Merlot or Meritage

Old World
Jhcolman - 2001 L'Evangile
Aav28 – Bordeaux (This flight or Left Bank flight)

New World
Bigprovolone - 2007 Tawse Meritage.
CSM - 2005 Dancing Hares

Old World Vs New World Pinot

Old World
VinToronto - 1993 Domaine Barthod-Noëllat Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Aux Beaux Bruns and a 1997 Faiveley Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Aux Chaignots.

New World
BigProvolone - 2006 Cherry Ave Single Vineyard OR 2007 Cherry Ave OR 2008 Laidlaw (Unreleased)
Duojet - Paul Hobbs Pinot Noir
VinToronto - 2003 Calera Mills

Old vs New World Sauvignon Blanc

Old World
Winderlust - 2006 Smith-Haut-Lafitte

New World
??????

Chardonnay

Old World
Robert Sutherland - 2006 Bouchard Aîné et Fils Meursault

New World
Duojet - a Hanzell or Kistler chard

Unknown
Jhcolman(#2)
Hi All

I have asked that everyone bring a bare minimum of 1 good bottle (the best you are able to bring).

However, bottles can end up corked. So for those folks that are able or prepared to offer 1 single bottle for consumption, we suggest (but do not require) that you bring a 2nd ("backup"), in case the 1st is corked. If that is the case, we need to know which bottle you wish consumed (primary) and which should be held in reserve, to only be consumed if the 1st is corked or you decide to have it opened anyway (backup).

Some folks may decide to bring 2, both of which will be primary and consumed (that is what I am doing). I am bringing 2 red and 1 white (on behalf of my wife).

Some may choose to bring more.

I'd like to end up with atleast 21 bottles to taste (more than 14 or 1 pp; and less than 28 or 2 pp); I don't mind ending up with 28, but I am respectful of the several folks who said that the 28 bottles we opened last time was just too many ("palette fatigue").

So, bring atleast 1, but preferably 1 plus backup, or even 2 actual tasting bottles if you wish. And if everyone chooses to bring 2 actual tasting bottles, well we'll just have to suffer through tasting all those fantastic wines. Those that wish to rest their fatigued palletes can do so if they wish. I've been exercising mine all month, to be prepared. Smile

So, everyone, please do let me know, if you plan to bring 2 (or more), which are tasting bottles and which (if any) are backup only.

Cheers

Julian
Those Burgundies came from the Vintages auction (provenance unknown), so I’ll bring backups. Heck – they all need to be drunk soon, so we’ll open the backups even if the first bottles are good. Especially if the first bottles are good. To recap the wines:

2 X 1993 Domaine Barthod-Noëllat Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Aux Beaux Bruns
2 X 1997 Faiveley Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Aux Chaignots and

1 X 2003 Calera “Mills Vineyard” Pinot Noir.
Folks

The Final WIne List

All are to be tasted, unless shown as a true backup (to be tasted only if the primary bottle is corked). Please let me know if there are any errors or ommissions.

Old World Left Bank Bordeaux VS New World Cabernet

New World
jhcolman - 1996 La Jota Cabernet Sauvignon
Robert Sutherland - 2004 Kenwood Cabernet Sauvignon Artist Series
Magiare - 2003 Clark-Claudon Cabernet Sauvignon Ten Year Anniversary

Old World
Winderlust - 1990 Batailley
Mangiare - 2000 Chateau Senejac Haut-Medoc & 2000 Chateau Potensac Medoc
Aav28 – 85 Clos l'Eglise (backup only, if 86 Pavie is corked)

Bordeaux Right Bank vs New World Merlot or Meritage

Old World
Jhcolman - 2001 L'Evangile
Aav28 – 86 Pavie

New World
Bigprovolone - 2007 Tawse Meritage.
CSM - 2005 Dancing Hares

Old World Vs New World Pinot

Old World
VinToronto - 1993 Domaine Barthod-Noëllat Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Aux Beaux Bruns (1 + 1 backup)
1997 Faiveley Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Aux Chaignots (1 + 1 backup).

New World
BigProvolone - 2007 Tawse 17th St Pinot Noir
Duojet - Paul Hobbs Pinot Noir
VinToronto - 2003 Calera Mills (1 + 1 backup)

Old vs New World Sauvignon Blanc

Old World
Winderlust - 2006 Smith-Haut-Lafitte

New World
CSM - 2009 Merry Edwards Sauvignon Blanc

Chardonnay

Old World
Robert Sutherland - 2006 Bouchard Aîné et Fils Meursault
Stewart Telford - 2005 Chassagne Montrachet Premier Cru Morgeot Laboure-Roi
- 1 TBD
Julian Colman - 1 TBD

New World
Duojet - a Hanzell or Kistler chard
Jhcolman - 1 TBD


Italian Barolo

1996 Fratelli Revello Barolo
2005 Fratelli Revello Barolo


I will post the Chardonnays as soon as they are purchased from LCBO Queens Quay (do not have any whites left in my cellar).

See you all at 6:30 (I will be there at 6:15).


Cheers

Julian
quote:
Originally posted by theweb:
Sounds like a fun time guys. As luck would have it I'll be in town Friday, so if there are any last minute cancellations or an empty seat let me know.

Otherwise, have fun, cheers to all bottles showing well!


Doktap cannot attend. So, TheWeb is welcome to attend. Please let me know ASAP, as I must confirm final numbers with Crush. Please also post your wines ASAP. I will be preparing a list of flights, for use at the event; I plan to do that Thursday evening.

Thanks

Julian
quote:
Originally posted by jhcolman:
quote:
Originally posted by theweb:
Sounds like a fun time guys. As luck would have it I'll be in town Friday, so if there are any last minute cancellations or an empty seat let me know.

Otherwise, have fun, cheers to all bottles showing well!


Doktap cannot attend. So, TheWeb is welcome to attend. Please let me know ASAP, as I must confirm final numbers with Crush. Please also post your wines ASAP. I will be preparing a list of flights, for use at the event; I plan to do that Thursday evening.

Thanks

Julian


Lucky for me Smile

I'll bring 2002 Spottswoode and either 2000 Bellefont-Belcier or Bellisle Mondotte
quote:
Originally posted by DoktaP:
quote:
I'll bring 2002 Spottswoode and either 2000 Bellefont-Belcier or Bellisle Mondotte

I recently had the 2002 Spottswood and it was drinking extremely well. I would suggest decanting for 45 min to 1 hour. Enjoy


Part of my reason to bring it was your recent notes/comments. I'm sitting on a few so thought this would be good opp to see where it's at.

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