Had this wine served to me blind last Sat. night.

The wine had about 24 hours of air on it.

A massive wine with blackberry and spice that fills the palate with an earthy mid-palate and a little bayleaf (?) on the finish.
I was more than a little surprised how well the wine was drinking after I was told what the wine was. We had the '97 before (not blind) drinking this wine.
I look forward to drinking again in 5+ years.
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THE 291

1997 Grange followed by the 1998 Grange?? Confused

Those wines are very expensive and very young to be opened in 2003. Don't you think it would have been appropriate to hold those for at least another 5/10 years?

I only have 2 bottles of Grange, the 1990, and both will be held until 2010. Also, this wine has become so expensive, I don't know if I will ever taste it. Frown
This wine is being released here (government controlled liquor stores) on Sept. 13th for $230 Cdn.
Though I have arranged to pick up 3 bottles for a friend (who will be gone on holidays) I will not be purchasing any for myself.

I offer sound advice.
That's 99% sound and 1% advice
Tyee,

I can't believe I'm actually saying this but, on a relative basis, C$230 for the '98 Grange may in fact be a pretty good price. After all, that's about US$165 and my understanding is that Grange is currently retailing for about US$200.

Here in Ontario, the '97 Grange is still plentiful as it didn't exactly fly off the shelves at C$250. I have no idea when the LCBO is planning to release the '98, but hopefully the backlog of '97 will put some downward pressure on the pricing.
Hey, Latour,

You can taste the '98 Grange. I was thinking of grilling some burgers and washing them down with some good "fresh" wine. I've got a case of these ... why wait to drink 'em? Roll Eyes


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cheers, y'all!
Stemor,

If you have a case of the 1998 Grange, I will be happy to help you drink them with Lamb, Steak, or HAMBURGER! Perhaps we could microware the Grange, to give it a little age. Eek
Latour67,

No question about these wines being opened too soon IMHO.

The person that brought them is the #2 wine guy for a large wine retailer and he likes to bring wine that he has for sale... and we like to drink them!!
THE 291,

The DRAB reference is to another member who prefers to drink wines young (he and Board-O have had many a heated argument over this topic). It's all a matter of personal taste of course.

And if your buddy is offering these wines (even if he should cellar them for a while) I'd try a taste too. Smile
Just found the 98 at Costco for 165. They only had a few bottles. Had to have and will hold until about for another 5 years. Razz

por vino
Now that I'm jumping in here, it shouldn't be too long before the wine nazi has something to say, but....

It doesn't surprise me that you found the '98 Grange as approachable and as tasty as you did. Everyone I've talked to who has had it has very much enjoyed it with a significant amount of decanting. Sure you can lay it down, and I am doing that with 3 of mine. But...if you have a problem enjoying it now, your palate is whacked!
It's a phenomenal wine showing great things in it's youth....

-DRAB

So much wine.....so little time!!!
Having tasted every Grange since 1982, The 98 Grange is certainly the best young Grange I have ever tasted. The only caveat is that the high alcohol content of the 98 Grange, the highest ever, could make its life shorter than most Grange’s of the last fifteen years. Will have to wait and see but I’m betting that this wine will be pretty spectacular in 10 years as well.
The same band of critics who mock wineries like Greenock and D'arenberg will always chime in with love of Grange despite their claims of supperripe fruit makes a wine less ageworthy.


Always amusing.
Bloody hell! I wish I had a mate who'd shout me a glass of the 98 Grange!

Look, DRAB is going to drink it whenever he thinks fit. 1998 was a marvellous year in South Australia, when even the techies (winemakers) couldn't freak up the wines, even if they tried.

I had the 1969 on my 50th; at 30 YO it drank 15 years younger and that was with a table-full of techies guessing. My thoughts are that the 98 isn't going to show age until it is 15 and then it will last equally well as the 69 ... for another ten.

You lucky (Australasian term of endearment)!
I can't believe that '98 Grange is going for $299CAD in Ontario. Last year the '97 was going for $269 and they still have cases and cases of the stuff.
This morning I was offered up to 6 bottles @ C$230.

So I bought as many as I did last year, and left. Smile

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Cheers.
Again, prices for top wines are assigned from Robert Parker scores, not the real value of the wine. Releases are manipulated to create demand and make the collector pay for their loyalty to a brand.

The following are some excerpts from what Jancis Robinson says about the 1998 Grange.

quote:
Untold wealth is required to acquire this wine since Robert Parker gave it '99/99+'

No-one could fail to admire this wine, which in this particular vintage contains about three per cent of the Cabernet Sauvignon Penfolds found most remarkable from the 1998 vintage.

So, yes, like most vintages of Grange, I admire this wine - indeed I admire this particular vintage more than most. But I have to say I would never buy a bottle. Its price relative to the purity of pleasure it gives this particular palate just doesn't make sense.


Jancis is absolutely correct!
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Latour,

The situation is even worse in Oz. I was offered some on release for A$400 a bottle but declined. (The 97 and 96 could be found on special for about $250-270 on release and rarely over $300.) The wine is now about $600 here.

The majority of it is being purchased by get quick merchants who have no intention of every drinking it. Many will just store it above the fridge and send it to auction in 5 or 10 years.

In the UK there is minimal fuss over the wine and its relatively easily available and at good prices (comparatively speaking.) Even in the Us its being discounted at Costico.

The whole thing is madness, the 98 does not justify a 100% increase in price for a possible 1% increase in quality.

Cheers
Ric
torbwine.com
pennsylvania had it for $155. i bought all i could. at that price i might drink it or i might sell it in 15 - 25 yrs, i don't know. i will decide then.
TORB

$600, per 750 bottle???

You're right---That is Madness. Perhaps you should talk with ANTHONYIEZ and buy some of that $155 juice and import it back to it's origin Confused Confused Does that seem possible or just humorous?--No, it's sick! Mad

ANTHONYIEZ,

Buy as much as you can at $155, sell 2/3rd's, keep the rest for the future and Smile!
OK - not really, but agree with the above that it is outrageous price compared to the wine. Considering you can buy an aged quality (95+ point) first growth Bordeaux for far less, a $200+ price tag seems far fetched.

That being said, I'd still buy all I can at $175 because some fool out there will be willing to buy it tomorrow for $250. For the same money, I'd latch onto something like an '88 Mouton (a WS 100 point wine, highly underrated vintage) that you can steal at auction for 2 grand a case. Big Grin

Still, it's personal prefernce, and as long as each $10 sip brings you a deep sense of personal satisfaction, more power to you. Cool
I bought one bottle for the standard price of Grange £110 plus £5 for p&p. I bought to own a great vintage of a great wine and will eventually drink it - just not yet.

However, the UK is now dry on this vintage and prices are rising if you have any. I would not pay any more because I can't afford to but I'm happy with the one.

"You mean the death toll from Killer Bee attacks can spread?"
With no Costco option I paid $196 ea. for a couple bottles, most I've ever paid for a bottle of wine, hopefully not to be regretted.

FWIW, NH has a bunch of it available at that price.

CabNut
FWIW There's 2 cases of 97 at my Costco for (I think)$160 per. No 98, but I bet there will be more.

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Flower power my ass.
Latour,

Torb was quoting a price of $600 Australian dollars. I'm not sure what that translates to.

VM

AC145895 but dreaming of AC000000
Vino Me,

Thanks, and that seems reasonable. (Aussie dollars, not the price of the 98 Grange Wink)
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