I know this is is a broad thread title..But I just finished my second glass of 03 Kaapzicht Estate Pinotage from Stellenbosch S.A...This stuff is incredible!..Full fruit dynamics with lush spices and subtle Earthiness wrapped up in a 10 sec finish..I always thought Pinotage never got the credit they deserved..I would challenge this wine to most young Nuits Burgundy..(Barnyard..wet grass..I dont think so..)..Save your palate (and alot of money)..and try a Pinotage....
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Honestly, I hate Pinotage. Havent found one yet that I could get past the first taste. Have tried many and just dont like them.
Jasong..,Have you tried this one? What is this first taste that you seem so antagonized by?
Pinot Noir and Cinsault? Its a perfect marriage..(.However,I do respect your taste. If you dont like it..Then you dont like it)
Naysayers drinkink wrong pinotage. Kanonkop, Simonsig and Fairview make very good pinotage. Afrikaners save best for thweir selves.
Oh so Sorrrry!! to offend the elitest of wine contemptions...I realized what a fool I am to suggest that my little Pinotage is worthy of grand applause from your "God like" expertise and boundless knowledge....I suppose I will just retreat to my little mudhut under the bridge and finish my over-cooked roadkill and Pinotage...Bad Winegirl!..Bad Winegirl! Not Burgundy!..Not Burgundy! Confused
Tonight I'm drinking a Ken Brown Santa Rita Hills Pinot Noir. I think his wines are overlooked and under-rated.

I think a lot of SA wines are under-rated. But, unfortunately, not enought of them make it to the States.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Finally, logic. Big Grin


Just trying to keep things civil. I don't want to read anymore posts about neutered animals like the ones on the Best Wines Sites et. al...
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Originally posted by winegirl58:
Oh so Sorrrry!! to offend the elitest of wine contemptions...I realized what a fool I am to suggest that my little Pinotage is worthy of grand applause from your "God like" expertise and boundless knowledge....I suppose I will just retreat to my little mudhut under the bridge and finish my over-cooked roadkill and Pinotage...Bad Winegirl!..Bad Winegirl! Not Burgundy!..Not Burgundy! Confused


Don't take so hard! These guys mean to anyone not ibn tight little boys club here and obviously never had any think but plonk KWV pinotage.
OK I get the point..PINOTAGE SUCKS!!!!!!
I will regularly burn efigies of geographical Stellenbosch to appease all on the forum..
Im sorry that I somewhat suggested that such a cheaply made ,pathetic wine would be considered
anything close to the great icons of France..
Whhhhheww! Let me get my cerebral conformity chip and push the ON button on my chin..Here it comes..My plastic palate (developed by Robert Parker and my bionic nose by WS)....FHGFHGFKAF
"I sure would like a glass of 98 Beaucastle CDP." and then mabey a glass of 01 Riuessec"
hilarious Big Grin

the funniest thing about this thread is that their is some middle ground. Pinotage isn't that great, but it isn't awful. There are some good ones, but they are few and far between. As for being undervalued... the quality isn't there yet. A bottle or two don't make a strange blend a value.

Stop getting your feeling hurt.
Stop hurting feelings.

On second thought, that is boring.

More please Big Grin
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Originally posted by winegirl58:
OK I get the point..PINOTAGE SUCKS!!!!!!
I will regularly burn efigies of geographical Stellenbosch to appease all on the forum..
Im sorry that I somewhat suggested that such a cheaply made ,pathetic wine would be considered
anything close to the great icons of France..
Whhhhheww! Let me get my cerebral conformity chip and push the ON button on my chin..Here it comes..My plastic palate (developed by Robert Parker and my bionic nose by WS)....FHGFHGFKAF
"I sure would like a glass of 98 Beaucastle CDP." and then mabey a glass of 01 Riuessec"
Oh the drama....... Roll Eyes

An honest question.... Why do you care what anyone else thinks? If you like it, fine. Why you seem to think others should is a mystery to me.

BTW it has nothing to do with France. I think a ton of French wine sucks. It has to do with Pinotage..... Confused
glad you enjoyed this bottle. have had a few bottles of pinotage in the past (fairview most recently) and unfortunately have not enjoyed any of them at all - vowed to give up on the varietal but maybe someone is figuring it out.
Well, now you know how I used to feel. So, I just post what I want and forget about the "upper tiers." I like 2004 Liberty School Cab. It may too cheap for the taste of the rich. It's great for a disadvantaged chick like myself Big Grin
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Originally posted by winegirl58:
OK I get the point..PINOTAGE SUCKS!!!!!!
I will regularly burn efigies of geographical Stellenbosch to appease all on the forum..
Im sorry that I somewhat suggested that such a cheaply made ,pathetic wine would be considered
anything close to the great icons of France..
Whhhhheww! Let me get my cerebral conformity chip and push the ON button on my chin..Here it comes..My plastic palate (developed by Robert Parker and my bionic nose by WS)....FHGFHGFKAF
"I sure would like a glass of 98 Beaucastle CDP." and then mabey a glass of 01 Riuessec"
OH...I da know??? Mabey its because everyone on this thread seems to really hate Pinotage..
For some unknown reason I have tasted a delightful version of "said wine" and I have somewhat enjoyed it..However as a forum topic
<per se> I have been lambasted.... Yes I do like the wine ..and I could really care less about everyones minutia,,I just wanted to introduce alternatives to French Burgundies..
I suppose I am a bit pre-mature for this rough crowd!! Big Grin
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Originally posted by winegirl58:
OH...I da know??? Mabey its because everyone on this thread seems to really hate Pinotage..
For some unknown reason I have tasted a delightful version of "said wine" and I have somewhat enjoyed it..However as a forum topic
<per se> I have been lambasted.... Yes I do like the wine ..and I could really care less about everyones minutia,,I just wanted to introduce alternatives to French Burgundies..
I suppose I am a bit pre-mature for this rough crowd!! Big Grin


Lots of alternatives to red Burgs, and every other red wine out there; tried to tell you this was a bunch of rough customers. Continuing to post this way will get you in the Bella Donna status, undeserved for both you and her. Like I sayd, tough little boys club, so lighten up and back off. Or don't!

"But be prepared to bleed" - Joni Mitchell
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
BTW "French Burgundies" is redundant.


If only that were true.

winegirl58: Bear in mind that many of the people who hate Pinotage can afford to buy first growths by the case. The idea of a decent 85-90 point cheap wine simply doesn't appeal to them. And that's fine.

Personally I've had a handful of Pinotages that I felt were decent value, but that was in the UK; so far I've not come across any in the USA that were worth mentioning.
Sentax error...Sorry for the redundancy...
Again it goes back to defined minutia..
which seems to be an over-riding facet of these forums....Kill the messenger unless you are projecting the "ideals" of the majority..
Majority hates Pinotage....I must conform or be ousted!!!When actually I think about it I like it>> And I really like Pinotage..It is better to be different..PINOTAGE ROCKS!! <admist an echo of school children laughing>>
Smile
Most under appreciated varietal---oh, I don't know, possibly Oregon Pinot Gris and /or quality Cali Champagne--some of the single vineyard bottlings are quite good.

Pinotage smells and tastes like Bandaids.
OK..I will submit to the "wine boys" BUT..I still LIKE Pinotage..I also agree with Pinot-Envy
about the obscurity of Oregon Pinot Gris and I would like to include Cali/Org/Wash Viogner.. Roll Eyes
Lorrie-- My wife had a glass of 2004 Liberty School at Flemings Sunday night. It had a nice nose of spice and was an enjoyable wine. We had a 2001 Dalla Valle Cab with dinner, but her Liberty School was quite nice!

Winegirl58 -- you have a good sense of humor, handle the ribbing very nice, and I like your posts! Smile
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Originally posted by winegirl58:
Oh so Sorrrry!! to offend the elitest of wine contemptions...I realized what a fool I am to suggest that my little Pinotage is worthy of grand applause from your "God like" expertise and boundless knowledge....I suppose I will just retreat to my little mudhut under the bridge and finish my over-cooked roadkill and Pinotage...Bad Winegirl!..Bad Winegirl! Not Burgundy!..Not Burgundy! Confused


Oooh, another martyr. Roll Eyes
Yep, I really need to buy a case of it. We have wine day in Little Rock, and you get 15% off or so on a case of wine or a half case.
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Originally posted by latour67:
Lorrie-- My wife had a glass of 2004 Liberty School at Flemings Sunday night. It had a nice nose of spice and was an enjoyable wine. We had a 2001 Dalla Valle Cab with dinner, but her Liberty School was quite nice!

Winegirl58 -- you have a good sense of humor, handle the ribbing very nice, and I like your posts! Smile
Don't be so hard on us girls Board-O. I've read you pairing posts, and I must say you are a class act. After the Super Bowl dishes you have planned all I have to say is be nice and "Just one more sip!"
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by winegirl58:
Oh so Sorrrry!! to offend the elitest of wine contemptions...I realized what a fool I am to suggest that my little Pinotage is worthy of grand applause from your "God like" expertise and boundless knowledge....I suppose I will just retreat to my little mudhut under the bridge and finish my over-cooked roadkill and Pinotage...Bad Winegirl!..Bad Winegirl! Not Burgundy!..Not Burgundy! Confused


Oooh, another martyr. Roll Eyes
I'm not hard on girls. The person is question here is over-reacting to honest responses about the majority's dislike, even contempt, for Pinotage. It's not a matter of disagreement; it's the histrionics.
Okay, remember Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus. We are a more sensitive species. I think that's why we have breasts Big Grin, and what man can argue with that?
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Originally posted by Board-O:
I'm not hard on girls. The person is question here is over-reacting to honest responses about the majority's dislike, even contempt, for Pinotage. It's not a matter of disagreement; it's the histrionics.
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Originally posted by winegirl58:
OK..I will submit to the "wine boys" BUT..I still LIKE Pinotage..I also agree with Pinot-Envy
about the obscurity of Oregon Pinot Gris and I would like to include Cali/Org/Wash Viogner.. Roll Eyes


Winegirl58,

I concur with what Gigond Ass said. Who cares what ANYONE else thinks on these boards? It is your taste buds that matter and YOU are drinking the wine.

If everyone was drinking Cabs and Shirazs all day, it would make the wine world a very dull place.
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Originally posted by winegirl58:
Jasong..,Have you tried this one? What is this first taste that you seem so antagonized by?
Pinot Noir and Cinsault? Its a perfect marriage..(.However,I do respect your taste. If you dont like it..Then you dont like it)

Have not tried that one. I will try and hunt it down. Their has got to be one out there for me!! Smile
In defense of the girls, I have to say that this board is much more like joining a fraternity than a connoisseurs' club.

Over on the Whisky Magazine forums, you will be hard pressed to find experienced members describe a newbie's tastes as "disgusting," "awful," "plonk," "kool-aid," etc.

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