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Was wondering, i'm approaching 300 bottles and was wondering how fellow users begin (or start beginning) to sort their stacks?

Do most people start sorting at 500+?

right now I've got random stuff everywhere... the decision to pull a bottle is simply staring at it for 15-20 minutes and saying "Oh, I forgot about that one" and pull it out to drink.

Do you guys sort by country/state/vineyard? Or perhaps vintage? or grape type?
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Hey G-Man,
I have something close to 300 bottles myself, and I don't have those fancy cellars with custom racks. However, I do have 4-5 wrought iron wine racks that hold about 35-60 bottles which allows me to sort my wines by country. France and Italy each have two racks, and the rest in one big rack or on those 12-bottle racks.

You may want to figure out which wines are for really long-term aging (5+ years?) and which wines are close to or at drinking year. Then sort by country, then by varietal, and then by winery. I just do the latter.
I sort and re-sort constantly:

-by region or country
-by varietal
-by ready to drink or not
-by need to drink soon
-by trophy wines

you get the idea.....

And BTW, I read years ago that one with a modest budget and/or cellar space should try to have no more than a bottle per day for a year - I'm failing at that too.... Big Grin
I have my wines sorted by country, the better one near the bottom and daily drinker at eye level and stickys and whites at the top.

Problem is now that the cellar has grown, I can't get to the racks because now I have my wines in cases in front !!! Frown Cool

Cellar tracker does help me so I don't lose track of the wines that need to be consumed.
My fortunate dilemma is getting at them.
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Originally posted by Vinaigre:
I have my wines sorted by country, the better one near the bottom and daily drinker at eye level and stickys and whites at the top.

Problem is now that the cellar has grown, I can't get to the racks because now I have my wines in cases in front !!! Frown Cool

Cellar tracker does help me so I don't lose track of the wines that need to be consumed.
My fortunate dilemma is getting at them.


Inviting your friends over to help clear the cellar is, if I may say so, a much more enviable option. Big Grin
I sort by region and by year. I might have 5 vintages of a particular wine but each is likely on a different shelf and/or rack. Cellartracker helps remind me what I have, but realistically I know my own cellar pretty well, so I know what I have. Currently I have 936 bottles in stock (according to CT, although the real number is probably slightly higher).
Good question g-man. I'm not very organized but I do know where everything is in my basement and in each cooler. Problem is that I expect to almost double an already large collection in the next year when my futures arrive so I need to get the ball rolling on my official cellar. I think I'm good with memorizing everything until about 750 bottles....give or take a few. So far so good.
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Are your wines stored in a climate controlled location or at room temperature?



Neither. My wines are in a dark corner of my cellar, furthest from the basement windows and furnace, and near a heating for winter/airconditioning for summer vent, to keep the temperature pretty even throughout the year. And, I have no solvents or anything else with a strong smell in the cellar (except, on occasion, my teenagers.... Razz Wink Big Grin)
I make great use of the CT BIN system. I simply write a number on all four sides of each case and thereby know exactly where all my wines are. This is obviously highly useful for cases of mixed wines. The only sorting I do is a rough three way division: wines to drink when I retire, wines that need 2-5 years of cellaring, and those ready to drink now. That is aided physically by my temp. controlled locker at my wine shop, as it has three shelves, one for each division of wine.

Then to be extra anal-retentive, keep a print out of your latest CT report, sorted by BIN Smile
Well, my motto is, "A place for everything, and everything all over the place."

I kind of have some areas that are "organized" by varietal - whites, pinot area, Bordeaux area, cab area, this and that area.

I've always loved finding wines I've forgotten about, and I tend toward liking aged wine, so I don't worry too much about missed opportunities. For me, a trip to the "cellar" is kind of like taking a stroll in a reasonably familiar area and wondering who I'll run into!
...you say you lost a few good bottles due to over cellaring/waiting too long .... i just made a thread on this--what do you look for in bottle that you should have drunk last year or two?...does it truly taste like vinegar...?(from a guy who just can't keep wine for very long but desires to)
My two year old cellar has 680 bottle capacity and i just can't seem to get above 250 as my wife and i(and friends) seem to keep the #'s in check...
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Originally posted by bman:



And, I have no solvents or anything else with a strong smell in the cellar (except, on occasion, my teenagers.... Razz Wink Big Grin)


Teens hanging out near the wine? All the more reason to keep inventory. Wink

Me, I haven't been "collecting" in any quantity for more than the past year. About 25 in the drinking cue in the home cooler and a bit over 100 bottles in good offsite storage. I jot them down on a Word file, and will move to CTracker at some point.
I just visited cellartracker.com ... and i was a bit perplexed on just how CT works ....(i must admit, i did not navigate the site for very long)
{.....no, my kids are only 10 and 8 but i have to accept that when my wife and i will go on a holiday alone some time in the future that our cellar will get raided by --not so much as our kids but--their forty or fifty "friends".}So, is the uncorked cellar essentially the same as CT?
I just looked at the uncorked cellar and it seems a lot better than CT. Anybody out there use the uncorked cellar?...and do you mind paying the monthly fees?Oh... one last thing .... i thought it would be interesting if one could see another's wine cellar stock ....(if the site does in fact allow this for their subscribers...) so one could compare etc....then, if the site also allows it, you can keep in contact with another member and say ...."so ...when are you going to crack open that 1999 Wolf Blass black label,or 2000 Caymus, or 2001 Tommasi?..and ask for their tasting notes...
oh... and what is anybody's opinion on
(such a site's) barcode scanners? ... apparently you can be provided with your own barcode scanner to organize one's cellar----is this corny?....and would this be really of any value for only a 700 bottle capacity cellar? (i am only at 241 bottles currently and i find it quite easy to organize at this point ....but i want to get into long term cellaring so i can enjoy bottles well into the future)
I used to use The Uncorked Cellar, but migrated to CellarTracker a year and a bit ago since it's much more powerful.

The Uncorked Cellar couldn't keep up with all my tasting notes, and all data is stored in flat files instead of a relational database, making it very slow.

I asked Brian, the creator of The Uncorked Cellar if he had any plans to move to something relational - even Microsoft Access - for a back end, and he said he didn't. Considering I couldn't have more than 999 different wines in a single cellar, it no longer met my needs. Maybe this has been fixed with more recent vintages, but CellarTracker goes above and beyond in so many different areas, I really don't see why anyone would use something different.

Sure, CellarTracker isn't perfect - some of the tasting notes are completely useless and the ratings out of whack, but hopefully in the future you can "ignore" notes from certain people. I'm pretty sure Eric is working toward that.
yes, ... i am talking about the uncorkedcellar.com...i'm not really into the social networking thing but i do like to obtain info from fellow wine enthusiasts....for example... i have 11 bottles of Godolphin and three bottles of Amon Ra ....should i even bother cellaring these ...or drink 'em now? ....you know questions like these...
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Originally posted by indybob:
Ogopogo,

You talking about corkd.com?
As corkd is a newer service, you'll find far fewer tasting notes and such than CTracker. But, as it's Gary V's thing, he has a small army and I'd think it will build up pretty quickly. Plus, Corkd is big into social networking if that's your thing.
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Originally posted by Ogopogo DUDE:
yes, ... i am talking about the uncorkedcellar.com...i'm not really into the social networking thing but i do like to obtain info from fellow wine enthusiasts....for example... i have 11 bottles of Godolphin and three bottles of Amon Ra ....should i even bother cellaring these ...or drink 'em now? ....you know questions like these...

Well, on CT if you want to research a wine click on "Add wine to my cellar" (even if you're not actually going to add it at this point) and type in the name of the wine (Godolphin in this example). Then find the correct wine in the list that appears and click on the vintage of interest (I assumed you have 2005) and you'll get this page. Lots of info here, but the data you're asking about is in the Drinking window box (2008 to 2015 as an average of the dates entered by members of the CT community), and reading the tasting notes - especially from known and trusted people - can also give hints whether you should wait or drink up.
I also use CT for keeping track of 600+ bottles. I have 3 racks in my cellar plus wooden boxes on the floor. At one time, I had a rack for US, one for France and one for Italy. This went by the wayside after about 2 years.

Now, one rack is devoted to Napa cabs and cab blends. The other two are pretty much stored by varietal (Brunello, Barolo, Pinot Noir et al) and by producer. The boxes on the floor hold what doesn't fit in the racks.

Offsite, I have primarily 2000 and 2003 Bdx and some 2005 US California PN producers.

The nice thing about CT is that the racks don't have to be organized in a particular pattern or theme.

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