spatburgunder

Well, hawaineiian, I'm no german expert, but Spätburgunder (or Blauburgunder or Blauer Burgunder) is a German name for Pinot Noir.

Other than that, I'll leave this question for others to answer.

Most german pinot noir that I have had was thin and grapey...almost like juice. It is sold in vast quantities in germany for about EUR4 a bottle.

However, some winemakers aspire to greater things. Meyer-Näkel (Ahr) have their sights aimed high, producing highly extracted, new-world style pinot noir for about EUR30-45 a bottle. They even have a Martinelli-style lable, gold on black, which is unheard of in Germany. I do not really like this style of pinot noir, but some people I know rave about their wines.

The other "high end" German pinot noir producer is Dr. Heger in Baden.

The following others have good spätburgunder reputations: Bercher (Baden), Johner (Baden), Huber (Baden), Salwey (Baden), SchneiderLingenfelder (Pfalz), Meßmer (Pfalz), Gunter Künstler (Rheingau).

I have not had any of their reds; I only know them by reputation.

If you are seriously interested in all kinds of German wines, get the Gault-Millau guide. It is only available in German, but has easy-to-understand rankings of all larger producers, including those of red wines and non-Riesling whites.

John Trombley, an American critic of German wines, discusses the influence of the guide here.

Ok I can't hold myself...

Isn't Spatburgunder the stuff the guys from Burgundy spat out?

Pretty funny.

Spät rhymes with late. It literally means late burgundy.

Don't ask me what happened to the "early" burgunder.

Now that's a good joke. HA HA HA