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I've noticed that I am starting to look around the cellar and can't seem to find anything to drink. It's time to explore a new region.

I'd love a few recommendations for wines that you believe are "typical" for the following regions:

Rioja
Ribera del Duero
Jumilla
Priorat
Alicante

If there are any other regions you think I should look to - please let me know. Also - I don't want ultra small production or imported wines as they cannot be found in Nashvegas. I'm not worried about price, but don't want to spend $!00 to find out that I don't like a wine. Ready to drink is always nice as well. No need to cellar wines i might not like. Thanks in advance.

G
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+1 on Emilio Moro. They make a series of wines ranging from ~$15 (Resalso which is very good imho) to ~$200 (Maleolus de Sanchomartin). They tend to be more of modern-styled Tempranillos.

From Rioja, Lopez de Heredia's wines are very traditional Riojas though can be somewhat difficult to find.

I also like Conde de Valdemar's wines for good QPR traditional Riojas.

The low-end wines from Juan Gil are decent from Jumilla and approach the Smuckers' Clio and El Nido.
Some suggestions off the top of my head (a few repeats of others and others not). I'll add others later.

Rioja
Bodegas Muga Rioja Reserva

Castilla y Leon
Ribera del Duero
Dominio Pingus Ribera del Duero Flor de Pingus
Bodegas Emilio Moro Ribera del Duero
Bodegas Vega-Sicilia Ribera del Duero Único

Toro
J. & F. Lurton Toro Campo Eliseo
Bodega Numanthia Termes Toro Numanthia
Bodegas Pintia (Vega-Sicilia) Toro Pintia

Catalunya:
Priorat
Alvaro Palacios L'Ermita
Alvaro Palacios Finca Dofi
Alvaro Palacios Les Terrasses
Cims de Porrera Priorat Classic
Clos Figueres
Clos Mogador
Clos Mogador Nelin (white)
Mas Igneus
Celler Vall Llach

Aragón
Bodegas Alto Moncayo Campo de Borja Veraton
We are huge fans of Lopez de Heredia. Very, very traditional Rioja. Not for everyone, but worth a try to see if you like it. Their Gran Reserva might be the best value in fine wine. The current release for the Bosconia and Tondonia Gran Reserva is the 1991 and you should be able to find it for $70-80.

The 2000 Tondonia reserva is also really nice and is around $40 and their whites are worth a look as well.
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Rioja
Ribera del Duero
Jumilla
Priorat
Alicante

Thirstyman - How did you pick those particular regions? They don't have a lot to do with each other.

"Typical" can mean many things but do you want wine that is like it has been done for many years or something that has generated recent buzz and press? I suspect the latter. Jumilla definitely was not a prestigious area, although in recent years, there have been some wines that have garnered a great deal of media attention. A lot of that is due to the work of a couple families, one or two importers, and an Australian winemaker or two.

There aren't really a lot of wines brought in from Alicante, which is a small region. The region is probably most known for Fondillón and most people don't know that. There are some good wines in the region, but since they're not imported, I'd be surprised if people on the board could recommend many. It's a beautiful area tho.

In Rioja on the other hand, there are many. If you want something "traditional", try one of the centenary wineries, i.e. Riscal, Heredia, C.V.N.E., Alta, Lacuesta, Palacio, Riojanas, Murietta, Valdemar, and a few others. And include Muga, Vina Real, even Caceres. I can't think of another region that produces such good wines so inexpensively. Those wines of course, will be based on Tempranillo, unlike some of the other areas in your list, and in terms of longevity, there aren't many other grapes that have the lifespan of Tempranillo. I suppose you could get some good cru Beaujolais, or some decent Chianti Classico and those might evolve and age nicely over the years, but's hard to think of other wines that you can pick up for reasonable prices and actually age to their benefit.

In Ribera, there are increasing numbers of bodegas and it's getting too difficult to list them, much as it is with Rioja, although there will never be so many. Do a search - I listed a number at one point. Alion was a great wine but it was supposed to be a $25 wine and it's now hitting $70 or so, which is just insane. But any of the Garcia's wines are worth owning - Aalto, Astrales, Mauro, etc. Also look for Arrocal, Callejo, and Arzuaga. Moro was mentioned. Smaller producers but wonderful wines - Cillar de Silos, J.C. Conde, J.A. Calvo Casajus (I have a relationship but I also drink the wine) Torremilanos, Fuentespina, Acon, there are just so many and these at least are imported, many great wines aren't.

Surprised nobody mentioned Pintia from Toro - I always find it hot and overpriced but since it gets high points, I'm sure some people love it.

I'll let someone else recommend Priorat wines - they're very popular with WS and WA readers so there are plenty of fans. But you might want to save a few bucks and look for wines from Monstant - they're often as good in blind tastings and usually a bit less expensive. Alejandro Fernandez is of course, the man who makes Condado de Haza and Pesquera, so I don't know why he was listed separately, but you might want to try his wine from La Mancha - El Vinculo, which is cheaper and isn't really too bad.

For sweet wines, I don't know. Spain makes some really good moscatel and some good moscatel sherry as well as some other sweet wines based on monastrell or garnacha or tempranillo or PX or whatever. But to me, they're nice and never really brilliant. They can be quite good but I've yet to have one that hits the peaks of a good wine from the Loire or Austria or especially Tokaj. But of course, Spain has brilliant dry sherries and also Madeira is close by. . .

Cheers.
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GregT - thanks for responding. I picked those regions for one of two reasons - either I knew they were available in my LWS (Rioja, RdD and Priorat or I was interested in the region and knew that they were also a wine producing region (Jumilla and Alicante).

When I said typical - I should have said typical and traditional. I want to first try how the wines have historically tasted from those regions and then later try the "modern" styles. I am not worried about scores - I would prefer to hear in the note - This is a perfect example of Rioja....

I'll take your list with me to my LWS and see what I can dig out. Are there any vintages for these regions that are to be avoided at all costs?

Thanks for everyones help,

G
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Originally posted by TBird:
you're gonna follow gregt's post with *THAT*??? Big Grin

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Originally posted by mareff:
Avoid 2002..If you can snag 2001 Rioja go for it. And the RdD vintages that I enjoy are 2004 and so far 2005.

damn straight..OK OK...

seek out Astrales from RdD if you can find some in TN.

Check to see if PJ's ships to TN and order a couple of 2004's.

M
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Originally posted by TBird:
you're gonna follow gregt's post with *THAT*??? Big Grin

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Originally posted by mareff:
Avoid 2002..If you can snag 2001 Rioja go for it. And the RdD vintages that I enjoy are 2004 and so far 2005.


you'd think he could have at least discussed the various micro-climates and vineyards to avoid that picked in specific months....
Hey thirstyman.

It's easier to talk about modern and traditional in Rioja and even Ribera than some of the other regions. That area in the south of Spain that includes Jumilla, etc., is part of what they call the Levante. Within that are some political and winemaking regions - one is called Murcia, which is also the name of the capital of the region. In Murcia, you find the DOs of Jumilla, Yecla, and Bullas. Some of the vineyards in the DO of Jumilla are actually in Yecla if that makes sense - in some European areas, the administrative or political region doesn't map perfectly to the winemaking region.

Those DOs tend to like Monastrell which most likely came from the area. There are still many vineyards that never had phylloxera. At one time people thought it was because the soil wasn't congenial to the bug, but then it showed up so that theory went to hell.

Anyhow, those regions are rather inland and up in the mountains. Moving northward and back to the coast itself, you come to the city and province of Valencia. Within Valencia are three more DOs - Valencia itself, Utiel Requena, and Alicante.

They also grow a lot of Monastrell there, as well as the usual variants of garnacha, but they also grow a grape called Bobal that merits some attention and which I think is going to be making a lot of noise in the future.

The problem is that for many years, most of the wine from all of those areas didn't create much interest at all in the fine wine world. Most of it was made into rosado or it was sold off as bulk wine. Like other regions in Spain, there were a lot of co-ops and the point was to sell tankers of wine very cheaply.

It's only recently, roughly since the phylloxera arrived and they had to replant, that winemakers raised their games. They replanted with the eye to making better wine and they upgraded their wines. So the most traditional or typical wines of the area are pretty forgettable - mostly plonk for $3 or so.

The six DOs aren't lock step of course, but it's useful to think of them as a group. Probably the first one that stepped out insofar as wine goes is Jumilla. Bodegas Hijos de Juan Gil was making wine in the area and decided to aim for something a little better than the local historical stuff. So look for some of that - it's the new "typical". Finca Luzón is another that helped create the reputation of Jumilla, mostly because they had the good fortune to be imported by Jorge Ordonez, who pretty much defines what people think of when they think of modern Spanish wines. Also look for Bodegas Bleda, which makes Castillo de Jumilla, Casa de la Ermita, and Casa Castillo, which might be the most successful, and also Altos de la Hoya from Olivares which is cheap, usually pretty good, and a really good example of monastrell. There are actually a few vineyards right around his that don't come to the US as far as I know, but they make really good wine. Much more recently, a US importer and and Australian got together to make a high-scoring wine and they came out with El Nido and Clio - both blends of monastrell and cab and super ripe and super oaky and of course they got the high points. That led people to believe that there are dozens of such wines around but there aren't. Nor are most wines from the area like those.

In Alicante, Telmo Rodriguez is working. He was winemaker for Remelluri in Rioja for years and his Al Muvedre is imported. Also there's some monastrell from Bodegas Enrique Mendoza that's imported.

Can't think of too many wines from Valencia - I know that there are a number imported but I"m blocked on the names right now. You can probably do a search tho. Again, most are monastrell based, but not all. They also have cab, syrah, bobal, etc. Vinos Sin-Ley is available and not bad - it's pretty cheap too. And if you can find it, Rafael Cambra's Uno is 100% monastrell and damned good but tiny production.

If you find many of these, you'll have a pretty good grasp of the general region and monastrell in particular. The most "traditional" wines from the area aren't all that great - most are actually crap. BUT - that's where you get great sangria because the wines tend to be simple and fruity. So I guess you can use these as a kind of base and the Clio/Nido as an example of extreme modernism, and take it from there.

Can't think of anything else off the top. Good luck.
Well - stopped off and bought a bottle of 1999 Anciano Gran Reserva Valderenas from a LWS close to my home. It came highly recommended.

Beautiful nose, but the palate is not quite reaching the promise of the nose yet. I think a little more time in the glass will help. Not a classic wine, but excellent for $20.

anyone have any opinions on 2007 in Spain (specifically RdD and Rioja)? My normal LWS just offered a few 2007s at decent prices (for TN) including the pingus lines....
Dude - then YOU should be telling US about the area!

As far as 2007, Rioja had rain in spring and mildew in the summer and it wasn't all that great overall but the harvest was extended, so if the producer was careful, and did a serious selection, the wine was OK. I've had a couple that were really good in fact, but overall it's not considered to be on par with 2004 or 2005. Still, like anywhere, buy the producer, not the vintage! It's weird because even in Priorat they had hailstorms so it's not a great vintage there either.

In RdD if I remember correctly, they had frost pretty early and a lot of it depends on when they picked and how effective any frost protection might have been. But sometimes the producers put the grapes that would have been in their top wines into the second-tier if the vintage isn't great, so it's possible to find really good wines from weaker vintages.

KSCO2 - I did remember what was once a darling of the area - Pannaroz, which is cheap and usually decent. I don't think it was ever 90 or 91 or whatever the scores were, but it's still a good buy. Don't know why I forgot it - my wife used to like it once in a while.
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KSCO2 - I did remember what was once a darling of the area - Pannaroz, which is cheap and usually decent. I don't think it was ever 90 or 91 or whatever the scores were, but it's still a good buy. Don't know why I forgot it - my wife used to like it once in a while.

I've had this a few times in past vintages, GregT, and to be honest, it's never struck my palate well. But I honestly appreciate you thinking of me and throwing that out there.
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Originally posted by GregT:
There aren't really a lot of wines brought in from Alicante, which is a small region. The region is probably most known for Fondillón and most people don't know that. There are some good wines in the region, but since they're not imported, I'd be surprised if people on the board could recommend many. It's a beautiful area tho.

As soon as Greg described Alicante as a small wine region that did not get much attention, I just knew that spo would have a favorite from there! Smile
Except that's about as far away as it's possible to be and still be on the Iberian peninsula.

I have mixed feelings about that grape. When it's good, it's one of the most intriguing grapes in Spain today. Very different from the fruit-forward grapes of the south. So I put away a few from 2000 and 2001. But it can be really expensive and when you taste those wines blind, you wonder what they were thinking. And when that grape isn't good, well . . .

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