Good Morning! I'm new to WineSpectator and have a question for you lactose intolerant experts out there. My sister drinks a lot of soy as she is lactose intolerant. I've substituted for soy in some of my favorite recipes but would like to offer her something different when she comes to visit this weekend. Do you have any tips/recommended recipes for me to try? Pardon my ignorance if there's a thread out there I should be aware of.

Thanks in advance!

Eric V.
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First of all, there is no such thing as being lactose intolerant, it's all sissy talk. Drink a cold one like a man, and hold on to your toilet seat. And second, soy milk is evil and should only be served to deathrow inmates. On top of being ridiculously overcropped and smothered with pesticides, 90% of soy beans are genetically modified. And need I mention estrogen-like properties of nature's wondermilk? Have fun. Smile
Hi Grunhauser,

I've never heard this before. "Soy milk is evil and should only be served to deathrow inmates." What makes you suggest that? Is it purely because you believe they're GMO?

Eric V.
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Originally posted by grunhauser:
First of all, there is no such thing as being lactose intolerant, it's all sissy talk. Drink a cold one like a man, and hold on to your toilet seat. And second, soy milk is evil and should only be served to deathrow inmates. On top of being ridiculously overcropped and smothered with pesticides, 90% of soy beans are genetically modified. And need I mention estrogen-like properties of nature's wondermilk? Have fun. Smile


Oh please. And you're OK with the BST hormone that is now rampant in the US milk industry? If you're worried about pesticides and GM soy, buy the organic kind.

And lactose intolerance certainly does exist. If it was as easy as a bout on the bowl, my better half wouldn't mind, but it gets worse than that. There are varying degrees of lactose intolerance.

And to answer the original question of Eveenend, I have not found a better substitute either. Soy milk imparts a flavour that doesn't work very well in some dishes. Goat milk can be used, but it also has a flavour that can contrast with other ingredients. Sheep's milk would be ideal, but it's not readily available around here.
Steve8 thanks for the suggestion of goats milk. I hadn't thought of that. I agree with you on your views of 'lactose intolerance' as well. Thank-you.

Eric V
There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice. Know how come I know there's no such thing as soy milk? Because there's no soy titty, is there? -- Louis Black
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Originally posted by Ron Natalie:
There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice.


I agree. To even compare soy juice to milk should be a crime.
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Originally posted by Ron Natalie:
There's no such thing as soy milk.


And what about the coconuts, Ron? Don't tell me it's juice too.

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Oh please. And you're OK with the BST hormone that is now rampant in the US milk industry? If you're worried about pesticides and GM soy, buy the organic kind.

And lactose intolerance certainly does exist. If it was as easy as a bout on the bowl, my better half wouldn't mind, but it gets worse than that. There are varying degrees of lactose intolerance.


Organic milk is not the answer, raw milk is. While pasteurization conserves water and saves much money on toilet paper, it does destroy micro-organisms present in raw milk and renders milk practically useless. On top of that, your body is robbed of essential bacteria that helps maintain healthy environment of your digestive system. Without them, your stomach is weak, unable to tolerate basic natural products.

Good point about goat's milk; as one who grew up knowing the name of the goat that gave me milk - Dasha, thank you very much - I can testify in high court to its miraculous and deliscious properties. That's why I firmly believe that everyone must own a goat, city or country, does not matter. If you can't do goat, sheep is the next best thing, and softer too.
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Originally posted by grunhauser:

Organic milk is not the answer, raw milk is. While pasteurization conserves water and saves much money on toilet paper, it does destroy micro-organisms present in raw milk and renders milk practically useless. On top of that, your body is robbed of essential bacteria that helps maintain healthy environment of your digestive system. Without them, your stomach is weak, unable to tolerate basic natural products.

I meant organic soy milk or juice or beverage or whatever you want to call it.


If you can't do goat, sheep is the next best thing, and softer too.


Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Are you still referring to their milk?
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
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Organic milk is not the answer, raw milk is.

Probably not.


What do you know about milk? You probably think milk comes from a recently domesticated animal that was crossed with a coconut.

I read that article you provided. It's pretty dumb. Only in America, where common sense is a rare commodity, you have to explain to people that if milk smells foul, it's spoilled. Duh!
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Originally posted by grunhauser:
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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
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Organic milk is not the answer, raw milk is.

Probably not.


What do you know about milk? You probably think milk comes from a recently domesticated animal that was crossed with a coconut.

I read that article you provided. It's pretty dumb. Only in America, where common sense is a rare commodity, you have to explain to people that if milk smells foul, it's spoilled. Duh!
I apologize. I thought perhaps Cornell University was a better source for health information than someone that would pair dry red with foie gras. Roll Eyes

Perhaps I should get all of my food safety information from the likes of you.... LOL
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by grunhauser:
If you can't do goat, sheep is the next best thing, and softer too.

Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Are you still referring to their milk?

Methinks Grunhauser's been cranking Spinal Tap's "Big Bottom" a bit too much as of late.
Did I get you all worked up? Are you ready to do for some fun shopping? Then you have to visit Real Sheep. Mention Gigondass' name and the shipping is free!!


"Love...It's like nothing else." Tupac
I can't believe I just went to that site you provided....
How about you continue to milk your goat and the rest of us will continue to get milk from our named cow - Betsy.
Aren't there brands of milk without the lactose? I think it's called Lactaid. Also the probiotic supplement works great too. yogurt, for example.

And whoever suggested raw milk over organic... eeww! THere's a reason we pasturize milk. Because otherwise you can get sick. Organic milk is by far superior to any other kind. All kinds of substances enter milk from all species. At least with organic it's all natural.

And as far a gmo soybeans go...gmo soybeans are more resitant to pests so less pesticide is needed (depending on the exact modification, of course). Which is better? More pesticide? Don't let the term gmo scare you. After all, the entire agriculture of the world, plants and animals, is based on genetic manipulation of organisms to suit our purposes.
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Originally posted by Lila:
Aren't there brands of milk without the lactose? I think it's called Lactaid. Also the probiotic supplement works great too. yogurt, for example.


Lactaid supposedly works by the addition of the enzyme that lactose intolerants are missing for digestion of the problematic proteins in cow's milk. My better half has tried the milk and the tablets several times with no success.

This is a very interesting subject because apparently they are unable to identify the proteins that cause the problem. The ones that were initially thought to be the problem are also present in goat and sheeps milk.
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And whoever suggested raw milk over organic... eeww! THere's a reason we pasturize milk.


From what I understand Lewis Pastur, in his last days thought he made a mistake with pasturization. He did not think it was the bacteria that makes people sick but it is the unhealthy state of a persons body that is hospitable to disease causing microorganisms that actually make people sick.
grunhauser I like the way you don't mince words. I wonder if the doc will give me my $150 consultation fee back. Maybe I need to be pasteurized...
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Originally posted by spo1977:
From what I understand Lewis Pastur, in his last days thought he made a mistake with pasturization. He did not think it was the bacteria that makes people sick but it is the unhealthy state of a persons body that is hospitable to disease causing microorganisms that actually make people sick.


Fortunately, we now know much more than he ever did and we will continue to pasturize milk. And bacteria can make even the healthiest person sick or worse. But you're last statement is true to an extent...depends on the persons resistance to certain types of bacteria....and the bacteria's resistance to a persons resistance..and so on....I don't feel like getting in to an evolutionary arms race discussion at the moment. Wink
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we now know much more than he ever did and we will continue to pasturize milk. And bacteria can make even the healthiest person sick or worse



You know about probiotics, so you are on the right track. Read up on it again about how they change your internal environment.

Lila, you are new but I already recognize you as a great person to have around for conversation. Smile
I have probiotic yogurt everyday (Danone Activia) and only have lactose free milk. I haven't had a problem from milk since. That doesn't discount all the other things that seem to affect me as I get older. Are you sure the lactose is the only thing that causes a problem? It took me a year to narrow down several things.
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Originally posted by spo1977:
Lila, you are new but I already recognize you as a great person to have around for conversation. Smile


Why thank ya! Nicest thing I've heard all day! I do like to run my mouth every now and then. Wink

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