I try to do some trail running, primarily in the fall for the purpose of getting into shape for cross country skiing. I've only done one running competition in my life - a half marathon that I did many years ago (before I knew better Wink ). After that experience I realized that racing bicycles was a lot more "body friendly" exercise for me.
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Originally posted by Sandy Fitzgerald:
When running I could lay into a seven minute, six minute until my mid 30's, mile and do that without mcuh change of heartbeat throughout. I would always sprint the last 200 yards to change things up.


6 minute mile? That is a sprint! At least in my world.

re: tennis. The quality of the workout is usually a function of the quality of the opponent. When playing with a lesser player, the only way to get a workout is to play with one can of balls and run after the strays.....

PH


A 6 minute mile takes some time and dedication to get to, but it can be done. I have done a mile in under 5 minutes and 30 seconds. While that might seem fast, my friend in the USMC can run a 3 mile in a little over 15 minutes and he is not even the fastest one.
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Ah Hunter, you must still be young. I think my basketball and tennis playing was much harder on my knees than my running.

When running I could lay into a seven minute, six minute until my mid 30's, mile and do that without mcuh change of heartbeat throughout. I would always sprint the last 200 yards to change things up. I believe my heartbeat underwent a lot more push during the constant sprints, jumping, stretching, and motions of bball and tennis than plain running. But perhaps that's because I was in good shape!


Yeah. It's hard for me to say actually as I only took up real running the last year or so and stopped playing serious hoops years ago. I never did both at the same time - I don't think I could have! I played basketball my whole life and was able to handle it fine. My only regret is not being in the shape I'm in now back when I played recreational orgranized basketball.

I'm a lonely running stud now! Smile Doing it just for moi.
I thought running vs badmington/squash/tennis and so is because they actually use completely differing muscle groups or same muscles but in different ways. You don't get the breathlessness playing tennis that you do running, but you don't get the stretching and use of muscles from running that you do from racket sports. Heck I can run 5 k's and feel fresh, but if I play squash for an hour I am shattered.
Wisad;

I obviously agree with your point about racketball. But it's not apples to apples. Even into my forites I wwas doing 7 min miles, before my knes went. To run a hour would be about 7.5 miles. So to compare an hour of running to an hour of tennis (for me) that would have to be the comparison.

Playing tennis for an hour would wear me down, but I would enjoy it. Running for an hour would normally bore me to death.
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Originally posted by WISAD:
I thought running vs badmington/squash/tennis and so is because they actually use completely differing muscle groups or same muscles but in different ways. You don't get the breathlessness playing tennis that you do running, but you don't get the stretching and use of muscles from running that you do from racket sports. Heck I can run 5 k's and feel fresh, but if I play squash for an hour I am shattered.

WISAD-

I agree with your comments here.

I have been an avid runner/jogger and played tennis for over 20 years - although last week was the first time I picked up a tennis racquet in a long time. Both types of activities provide workouts for different sets of muscles.

I can run 4-5 miles and feel great the next day. However, if I play tennis for 1-2 hours my knees and joints ache for a couple of days. And, I can certainly feel out of breath on a tennis court, especailly after a long baseline rally.

Of course, the recovery time with both activities has increased as I have advanced in years. Frown
Wow, some serious atheletes here for a bunch of vino heads!

As I rapidly approached the back side of middle age, I decided to get off the couch about 2 to 3 years ago.

Nothing to serious, but I run 3 or 4 times a week now, 3 to 4 miles each. Slow pace, barely under 10 minutes/mile but better than nothing.

I also hit the gym three times per week for weights. Again, nothing too serious, but moving some body parts around anyway.

Feel alot better for it and look forward to the workouts. Helps negate the wine calories also, a big plus.
Started running outdoors again. Really stopped running late last year. I've noticed that my heart rate is great when it is cold outside-ie remains in the 150s range and creeps up into the 160s range at the end of my run. I remember that even in when I was in better shape, if you increase the outside temp, my HR jumps into the 160s range as an average HR for the duration of the run. Ran about 5-6 miles Friday and will try again today.
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Started running outdoors again. Really stopped running late last year. I've noticed that my heart rate is great when it is cold outside-ie remains in the 150s range and creeps up into the 160s range at the end of my run. I remember that even in when I was in better shape, if you increase the outside temp, my HR jumps into the 160s range as an average HR for the duration of the run. Ran about 5-6 miles Friday and will try again today.

Interesting. I am 40 years old and a life-long runner. However, after a considerable hiatus, I started running again, consistently (3-4 X week), a little over two months ago. My heart-rate jumps into the 170-180 range towards the end of my runs, which is higher than recommended, but I feel great. I am going to invest in a monitor to more accurately check my rate during my runs.

I look forward to warmer weather so I can run outdoors more often.
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Running in the Crazy Legs Classic up in Madison next weekend. 5 miles and about 11,000 people. I've been able to run on the trails around here since the snow melted in mid-February so I'm hoping for a good time. My goal is 37 minutes.

Anything under 40 minutes would be very good; 37 minutes would be fantastic. Good luck!
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Originally posted by Mimik:
Started running outdoors again. Really stopped running late last year. I've noticed that my heart rate is great when it is cold outside-ie remains in the 150s range and creeps up into the 160s range at the end of my run. I remember that even in when I was in better shape, if you increase the outside temp, my HR jumps into the 160s range as an average HR for the duration of the run. Ran about 5-6 miles Friday and will try again today.

Interesting. I am 40 years old and a life-long runner. However, after a considerable hiatus, I started running again, consistently (3-4 X week), a little over two months ago. My heart-rate jumps into the 170-180 range towards the end of my runs, which is higher than recommended, but I feel great. I am going to invest in a monitor to more accurately check my rate during my runs.

I look forward to warmer weather so I can run outdoors more often.


Interesting. I'm in my late 30s and I find that if I push my heart rate up too high, ie 170-174 for a prolonged period of time, I actually feel worse and very tired and drained at the end of the run. The contrary is true at a lower heart rate. Maybe you are just fine at a higher heart rate-check it out with your doctor.
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Interesting. I'm in my late 30s and I find that if I push my heart rate up too high, ie 170-174 for a prolonged period of time, I actually feel worse and very tired and drained at the end of the run. The contrary is true at a lower heart rate. Maybe you are just fine at a higher heart rate-check it out with your doctor.

I don't maintain the higher rate for a long period of time; maybe 5-7 minutes.

However, I do have a scheduled check-up with my PCP in a couple of weeks. It's time to check my cholesterol, BP, etc. I will be sure to add this inquiry to my list.
My wife participated in yesterday's Baltimore Marathon, which drew over 20,000 contestants.
She and 3 other women split the course and did a "relay".
Her first time.
Without stating her precise age, when my wife was born, Truman was roughly half-way through his term as President.
I am very proud of her.
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Originally posted by irwin:
My wife participated in yesterday's Baltimore Marathon, which drew over 20,000 contestants.
She and 3 other women split the course and did a "relay".
Her first time.
Without stating her precise age, when my wife was born, Truman was roughly half-way through his term as President.
I am very proud of her.

Great stuff, irwin. Congrats to your wife; that is very impressive. Smile
Anybody training for any races this summer/fall?

I received good news that I will be accepted to start in the 2nd seeded race heat of the Chicago half marathon in early September. This is my first attempt at this distance, and a real challenge considering that I ran at times the 100 meter dash in high school. I'm up to 8 mile runs currently and my goal is to run the race in 7:30 minute miles, or less. We shall see.
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Originally posted by khmark7:
Anybody training for any races this summer/fall?

I received good news that I will be accepted to start in the 2nd seeded race heat of the Chicago half marathon in early September. This is my first attempt at this distance, and a real challenge considering that I ran at times the 100 meter dash in high school. I'm up to 8 mile runs currently and my goal is to run the race in 7:30 minute miles, or less. We shall see.


Nice pace for a half, good luck! Let us know how it goes.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Good question khmark, and good luck next year.

My wife and daughter are running in the San Antonio marathon next weekend, so I'm thinking about planning an off-line here in Dallas. Cool


I wish them and anyone willing to push themselves to the limit for 2+ hours the best of luck.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Good question khmark, and good luck next year.

My wife and daughter are running in the San Antonio marathon next weekend, so I'm thinking about planning an off-line here in Dallas. Cool


Good luck. I don't even like driving 26 miles.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Good question khmark, and good luck next year.

My wife and daughter are running in the San Antonio marathon next weekend, so I'm thinking about planning an off-line here in Dallas. Cool


I wish them and anyone willing to push themselves to the limit for 2+ hours the best of luck.


Two hours? Red Face Running a 9 minute mile will take 4 hours. Wink
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Anyone here on the boards run the NY Marathon today? I was watching on TV....and I'm hoping to run maybe two marathons next year.


When this thread started I would clearly have been in the "never ina million years would I run" camp. Now, here I am eating my words... Training for the Disney half marathon in January and the Key West half marathon two weeks later... next year I plan on doing the NY marathon.
Have done it all doing intervals, and is working out qnicely for me so far, but I have no delusions of an 8 minute mile...
I've given up on running, and now I do the elliptical machine instead. My knees were starting to bother me.

It is not the same. I really enjoyed running along the shore of Lake Worth. Using an elliptical indoors isn't quite the same, although ogling Robin Meade on HLN makes up for it somewhat.
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I've given up on running, and now I do the elliptical machine instead. My knees were starting to bother me.

It is not the same. I really enjoyed running along the shore of Lake Worth. Using an elliptical indoors isn't quite the same, although ogling Robin Meade on HLN makes up for it somewhat.

Rothko-

I have been a runner for most of my life and have been very fortunate (knock on wood) to avoid knee problems.

I often use the elliptical for cross-training purposes, and although I didn't care for it at first, I rather enjoy it now.
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Originally posted by Rothko:
I've given up on running, and now I do the elliptical machine instead. My knees were starting to bother me.

It is not the same. I really enjoyed running along the shore of Lake Worth. Using an elliptical indoors isn't quite the same, although ogling Robin Meade on HLN makes up for it somewhat.


I did too. Knees started hurting so I started doing elliptical. Did that until I discovered Spin. If you want a serious workout that puts elliptical and running to shame with zero impact and lots of pretty girls to stare out while you're sucking wind give Spin a try.

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