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Originally posted by indybob:
Bummer pdn, thanks for the info. What were the circumstances? Temperature in your area at the time, what was the shipping method/courier, and so forth? Any pattern that you found, other than it was cold? I found this interesting discussion on taste of these wines: Clicky.

I'd think that while the wines wouldn't be ruined in the short term, the long term ageworthiness would of course be severely impeded (assuming a top up and proper recork), due to the sudden precipitates.


IB,

The wine came from the east coast. While it does get cold out here, it doesn't get cold enough to freeze wine in a delivery truck. It didn't get cold enough to freeze wine sitting on my deck. I'm assuming the freeze was as it was transported by ground across the Midwest.

Old wines sometimes get re-corked, so it may be that just pushing the cork back in all the way is enough to allow the wine to be stored and aged almost as normal. I'll leave that experiment to someone else.
Left a bottle of cheap white wine on my back porch for several hours now and the temp is 15F...not a single ice crystal.

Oh and yes, this is how I am spending my Friday night...
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Originally posted by khmark7:
Left a bottle of cheap white wine on my back porch for several hours now and the temp is 15F...not a single ice crystal.

Oh and yes, this is how I am spending my Friday night...


Good for you. Just be sure to drink while you whittle the time. Smile
Received a mixed case today. Was shipped yesterday. Temperature here was about 24F today, so nowhere near the extreme lows of last week. Bottles were cold, but no signs of damage (seepage, pushed up corks, etc...). These are mostly daily drinkers, so wouldn't have done it with wines I'd want to store for longer periods of time. Will drink some of the wine soon, but don't expect there to be any issues. Not a big stress test at only 24F, but this one passed nonetheless.
I buy most of my wines from premier cru and have it shipped ground UPS. They really discourage shipping wine in warm weather but Iv'e never had any problem recieving wine in the winter even though it can reach 20 below zero here in Mpls. If it's packed in styrofoam it should be fine. Iv'e never had any problem in the winter.
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Originally posted by khmark7:
Yep was moving some wine into my car this morning and it was -17F but normally wine doesn't freeze unless it's below...say 20F. I picked this up on some website via google. I suppose it's just like a pop can you throw into the freezer to cool off and you forget about it.

Is this the site you were referring to khmark7?

Certainly, the true freezing mark will have some connection to just how high the % alcohol is in the wine. And don't forget, that wine will begin expanding as it enters that jelly-like slushy stage. Not just when it's finally frozen. To me, this logically begins the entrance to the danger zone.

I'm particularly interested in this issue, as I need to relocate several bottles and will likely have to endure two 'overnights' in a moving truck. I'm thinking more than twice about doing this only when northern temps improve a bit (yiggidy yiggidy).

Yes, they'd be in an enclosed truck and packed in styrofoam. However, I'm not willing to push the limit too closely at all. It's just not worth the risk. If I could be certain of temps being 25 deg+ F for those nights, I'm thinking inside temps + styrofoam make it pretty safe.
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Originally posted by french16:
I'm surprised the cork pushed up the foil. With that cold and dry, cork should have shrunk and not gone up.
Interesting.


Wine is mostly water. When water freezes, it's volume increases. As the ice crystals form, they have to go somewhere, and will take the path of least resistance. The two options are break the bottle or push the cork up. Most of the time, I suspect the cork is pushed up rather than the bottle breaking.
Don't retail wine stores face this same issue? I would think they receive shipments in ultra cold weather as weather hot weather. How do they deal with this?
I know a guy who was in Napa at New Year's and bought some wine to be shipped back to Florida. Three bottles in a styrofoam shipper. Each bottle had the cork protruding about an inch and a half out of the bottle (broke through the foil) and wine all over the styrofoam shipper.

Given the Polar Vortex that the U.S. just went through, I think it is pretty clear that this was a result of freezing.
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Originally posted by Rothko:
I know a guy who was in Napa at New Year's and bought some wine to be shipped back to Florida. Three bottles in a styrofoam shipper. Each bottle had the cork protruding about an inch and a half out of the bottle (broke through the foil) and wine all over the styrofoam shipper.

Given the Polar Vortex that the U.S. just went through, I think it is pretty clear that this was a result of freezing.


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