Klobuchar is the ideal VP. Female, midwestern, moderate, intelligent, good background as a prosecutor, very electable. She turns 60 later this year, so is youthful (relatively speaking). Actually, she wouldn't be so bad to be a Presidential nominee either, for the same reason.
Kamala Harris dropped out early because she didn't click with the electorate. California will go for the Democrats with or without her. I suppose she might help with the Black, Indian and biracial vote.
If a woman of color is chosen Stacy Abrams would be a far better choice than Kamala, imo. Kamala brings nothing and went hard on identity politics in the primary, which ultimately soured even many D primary voters against her. Abrams, by contrast, has shown an ability to appeal far beyond her expected demographic. I still think the strongest and best ticket, all things considered, would be Biden/Klobuchar.
bman posted:I'm thinking that if a white centrist wins the nomination then Kamala Harris or Stacy Abrams might be a better choice than another centrist. The fact that the latter almost won the governorship of Georgia would make her especially attractive methinks.
Picking a VP based on color (any) is just plain stupid and is exactly what is wrong with liberal thinking.
I actually semi-like Klobuchar...just not all her ideas. Still think you all are toast!
napacat posted:bman posted:I'm thinking that if a white centrist wins the nomination then Kamala Harris or Stacy Abrams might be a better choice than another centrist. The fact that the latter almost won the governorship of Georgia would make her especially attractive methinks.
Picking a VP based on color (any) is just plain stupid and is exactly what is wrong with liberal thinking.
The VP pick is almost always based on balancing the ticket with someone different from the nominee, especially in terms of geography. So if the latter is a white centrist then a VP pick from somewhere else in the country who is at least a little to the left of the nominee is a no-brainer. If they happen to be someone of colour, all the better. Given that the leading candidates are from Delaware, New England, NYC, small town Indiana and Minnesota it just makes sense to pick someone from far away, i.e. California or the deep South.
Besides, Trump did that with his VP pick: he's a man with no beliefs in anyone or anything but himself who screws anyone he can and so he picked a VP who is deeply religious and is afraid to be with a woman other than his wife! 
Used to be that geographical balance was more important. But bush had Cheney and both were from mountain time zone ( I think).
Now, I don’t think the vp choice is terribly important unless you pick someone with lots of negatives (palin).
I think mccain would have won if he picked someone from Florida and I think the same is true with al gore.
irwin posted:Used to be that geographical balance was more important. But bush had Cheney and both were from mountain time zone ( I think).
Now, I don’t think the vp choice is terribly important unless you pick someone with lots of negatives (palin).
I think mccain would have won if he picked someone from Florida and I think the same is true with al gore.
I think McCain was persuaded to have that clown on his ticket. I could have voted for him if I didn’t worry that dumb-dumb would have regular access to the a White House. Of course, we now have a catatonic sock puppet lapdog in that position, so...
irwin posted:Used to be that geographical balance was more important. But bush had Cheney and both were from mountain time zone ( I think).
Now, I don’t think the vp choice is terribly important unless you pick someone with lots of negatives (palin).
I think mccain would have won if he picked someone from Florida and I think the same is true with al gore.
Texas is Central Time Zone.
I agree that VP pick is not very important, though Palin might have impacted the election.
Today, El Presidente Naranja (hereafter "EPN") has pardoned Edward DeBartolo, who plead guilty to a felony bribery charge some time ago and commuted the sentence of former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, who tried to sell an appointment to fill the seat left vacant when Senator Obama became President Obama and tried to squeeze a hospital for some money.
Second guessing the judiciary again, EPN found the sentence for Blagojevich to be excessively harsh. Blagojevich had been a contestant on "The Apprentice" back in the day.
bman posted:napacat posted:bman posted:I'm thinking that if a white centrist wins the nomination then Kamala Harris or Stacy Abrams might be a better choice than another centrist. The fact that the latter almost won the governorship of Georgia would make her especially attractive methinks.
Picking a VP based on color (any) is just plain stupid and is exactly what is wrong with liberal thinking.
The VP pick is almost always based on balancing the ticket with someone different from the nominee, especially in terms of geography. So if the latter is a white centrist then a VP pick from somewhere else in the country who is at least a little to the left of the nominee is a no-brainer. If they happen to be someone of colour, all the better. Given that the leading candidates are from Delaware, New England, NYC, small town Indiana and Minnesota it just makes sense to pick someone from far away, i.e. California or the deep South.
Besides, Trump did that with his VP pick: he's a man with no beliefs in anyone or anything but himself who screws anyone he can and so he picked a VP who is deeply religious and is afraid to be with a woman other than his wife!
Besides, Trump did that with his VP pick: he's a man with no beliefs in anyone or anything but himself who screws anyone he can and so he picked a VP who is deeply religious and is afraid to be with a woman other than his wife!
Ok...that was funny!
He pardons old white men who tried to game the system for their benefit. Just like himself.
And also Michael Milken convicted of racketeering and securities fraud. And also former New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik. He pleaded guilty in 2009 to felony tax fraud and lying to the government.
You see, lying and fraud are not so bad, according to EPN.
Arghh.
He pardoned a drug user of some sort at the recommendation of Kim Kardashian, a person with an enormous amount of credibility and knowledge of the legal system.
irwin posted:He pardoned a drug user of some sort at the recommendation of Kim Kardashian, a person with an enormous amount of credibility and knowledge of the legal system.
Hey! She's studying for the bar!
The Old Man posted:He pardons old white men who tried to game the system for their benefit. Just like himself.
Even a few democrats
irwin posted:He pardoned a drug user of some sort at the recommendation of Kim Kardashian, a person with an enormous amount of credibility and knowledge of the legal system.
That was a good pardon. A non-violent 1st time drug conviction from 15+ years ago.
robsutherland posted:irwin posted:He pardoned a drug user of some sort at the recommendation of Kim Kardashian, a person with an enormous amount of credibility and knowledge of the legal system.
Hey! She's studying for the bar!
Yep, just a few more weeks, and she'll have her mixology degree.
irwin posted:And also Michael Milken convicted of racketeering and securities fraud. And also former New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik. He pleaded guilty in 2009 to felony tax fraud and lying to the government.
You see, lying and fraud are not so bad, according to EPN.
Arghh.
Because, you know, he's a great corruption fighter.
The Old Man posted:He pardons old white men who tried to game the system for their benefit. Just like himself.
Yeah, Trump is the only president ever to do something like that
csm posted:The Old Man posted:He pardons old white men who tried to game the system for their benefit. Just like himself.
Yeah, Trump is the only president ever to do something like that
Examples of others? Especially others who pardoned as many and/or for crimes as bad as those pardoned by Trump?
bman posted:csm posted:The Old Man posted:He pardons old white men who tried to game the system for their benefit. Just like himself.
Yeah, Trump is the only president ever to do something like that
Examples of others? Especially others who pardoned as many and/or for crimes as bad as those pardoned by Trump?
Mark Rich
napacat posted:bman posted:csm posted:The Old Man posted:He pardons old white men who tried to game the system for their benefit. Just like himself.
Yeah, Trump is the only president ever to do something like that
Examples of others? Especially others who pardoned as many and/or for crimes as bad as those pardoned by Trump?
Mark Rich
And that's the best you've got. The demagogue not only beats that by a mile but also pardons war criminals. Try as you might you will never be able to come up with a president who has used his pardon power in a worst way then the filth that occupies the WH. Here, read this, I know it comes from a "fake news" source, but perhaps you can learn a thing or two instead of showing us your ignorance every time you post. One thing Nappy does for us is show us the shallow thinking of supporters of the pussy-grabber in chief.
President Trump pardoned Paul Pogue, who pleaded guilty in 2010 to underpaying his taxes by nearly $500,000 and received three years' probation.
Per the Federal Election Commission Pogue's son, Ben Pogue and Ben's wife, Ashleigh, donated over $200,000 to the Trump Victory PAC and Trump's official presidential campaign since August, 2019.
Can you say "quid pro quo"?
Top Law Enforcement Officer
robsutherland posted:Top Law Enforcement Officer
He truly thinks of himself this way and with no resistance from his own party he will continue to erase the lines of separation of powers.
He would absolutely LOVE to wear an uniform covered with hardware.
bman posted:csm posted:The Old Man posted:He pardons old white men who tried to game the system for their benefit. Just like himself.
Yeah, Trump is the only president ever to do something like that
Examples of others? Especially others who pardoned as many and/or for crimes as bad as those pardoned by Trump?
William Jefferson Clinton pardoned/commuted the sentence of 140 people on his final day in office. Overall he pardoned more than 150 people and commuted the sentences of 42 more.
Here's a sampling:
Peter MacDonald - 14 years sentence for fraud, extortion, inciting riots, bribery, and corruption was commuted.
Carlos Vignali 15 year sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted.
Almon Braswell pardoned of his mail fraud and perjury convictions (something Willie knew about well I suppose). Also paid $200k, along with Vignali, for Hugh Rodham to represent their cases for clemency. Funds returned when the public learned of the payments. Wonder if that had anything to do with the pardons.
Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg of the Weather Underground had weapons and explosives charges commuted after serving less than half their sentences.
Marc Rich, after Denise Eisenberg Rich made substantial donations to the Clinton library and to Hilary's senate campaign, pardoned of tax evasion and allowed to return to the US.
Susan McDougal, pardoned of contempt conviction stemming from refusal to testify about Clinton's role in Whitewater.
Willie's brother Roger pardoned of drug charges.
Democratic congressman, child abuser and fraud, among other things, Mel Reynolds, had his sentence commuted on bank fraud after serving his entire sentence for 12 counts of child sexual assault and solicitation of child pornography.
Maybe my favourite, Harvey Weining, sentence for facilitating an extortion-kidnapping scheme and helping launder at least $19 million for the Cali Cartel was commuted.
csm posted:bman posted:csm posted:The Old Man posted:He pardons old white men who tried to game the system for their benefit. Just like himself.
Yeah, Trump is the only president ever to do something like that
Examples of others? Especially others who pardoned as many and/or for crimes as bad as those pardoned by Trump?
William Jefferson Clinton pardoned/commuted the sentence of 140 people on his final day in office. Overall he pardoned more than 150 people and commuted the sentences of 42 more.
Here's a sampling:
Peter MacDonald - 14 years sentence for fraud, extortion, inciting riots, bribery, and corruption was commuted.
Carlos Vignali 15 year sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted.
Almon Braswell pardoned of his mail fraud and perjury convictions (something Willie knew about well I suppose). Also paid $200k, along with Vignali, for Hugh Rodham to represent their cases for clemency. Funds returned when the public learned of the payments. Wonder if that had anything to do with the pardons.
Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg of the Weather Underground had weapons and explosives charges commuted after serving less than half their sentences.
Marc Rich, after Denise Eisenberg Rich made substantial donations to the Clinton library and to Hilary's senate campaign, pardoned of tax evasion and allowed to return to the US.
Susan McDougal, pardoned of contempt conviction stemming from refusal to testify about Clinton's role in Whitewater.
Willie's brother Roger pardoned of drug charges.
Democratic congressman, child abuser and fraud, among other things, Mel Reynolds, had his sentence commuted on bank fraud after serving his entire sentence for 12 counts of child sexual assault and solicitation of child pornography.
Maybe my favourite, Harvey Weining, sentence for facilitating an extortion-kidnapping scheme and helping launder at least $19 million for the Cali Cartel was commuted.
So Clinton was worse than Trump in terms of volume and as bad in terms of the crimes he pardoned and commuted. Fair enough. I'll do some googling next time!
That said, I'm not sure Clinton's apparent abuse of the power makes OK what Trump is doing. And if he pardons anyone who ends up in jail because they refused to provide evidence against him or lied to protect him, then in many ways that is worse than what Clinton did, in that it further undermines the rule of law and institutions key to the healthy functioning of a democracy.
In one sense, Clinton was worse.........He waited until the end of his presidency, when there would be no ramifications. The Presidential pardon should really be sparingly used.
csm posted:bman posted:csm posted:The Old Man posted:He pardons old white men who tried to game the system for their benefit. Just like himself.
Yeah, Trump is the only president ever to do something like that
Examples of others? Especially others who pardoned as many and/or for crimes as bad as those pardoned by Trump?
William Jefferson Clinton pardoned/commuted the sentence of 140 people on his final day in office. Overall he pardoned more than 150 people and commuted the sentences of 42 more.
Here's a sampling:
Peter MacDonald - 14 years sentence for fraud, extortion, inciting riots, bribery, and corruption was commuted.
Carlos Vignali 15 year sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted.
Almon Braswell pardoned of his mail fraud and perjury convictions (something Willie knew about well I suppose). Also paid $200k, along with Vignali, for Hugh Rodham to represent their cases for clemency. Funds returned when the public learned of the payments. Wonder if that had anything to do with the pardons.
Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg of the Weather Underground had weapons and explosives charges commuted after serving less than half their sentences.
Marc Rich, after Denise Eisenberg Rich made substantial donations to the Clinton library and to Hilary's senate campaign, pardoned of tax evasion and allowed to return to the US.
Susan McDougal, pardoned of contempt conviction stemming from refusal to testify about Clinton's role in Whitewater.
Willie's brother Roger pardoned of drug charges.
Democratic congressman, child abuser and fraud, among other things, Mel Reynolds, had his sentence commuted on bank fraud after serving his entire sentence for 12 counts of child sexual assault and solicitation of child pornography.
Maybe my favourite, Harvey Weining, sentence for facilitating an extortion-kidnapping scheme and helping launder at least $19 million for the Cali Cartel was commuted.
Thank you CSM...just did not have the time to post that much of a detailed reply. Bman asked for an example...thought the name Mark Rich would suffice the hypocrite left (TOM).
Clinton sure seems to fit the bill. Old Man...did not have to be the "Best I Got", as the poster only asked for an example. You go research it on your own...how do you manage your misery everyday. I bet you drink shitty wine as well.
Speaking of hypocrites...Bloomberg while mayor of NYC, clamping down on emissions, made a rule that a vehicle could not idle longer than three minutes (except security I believe (read "his" into that)) and actually installed a window unit AC into his SUV.
Typical liberal a-hole telling everyone else how to live and doing the opposite. Go ahead and vote for these jerks.
Nappy always falls back on whataboutism. That's all he's got. And Nappy, would you care to defend the war criminals he's pardoned? I'm sure Fox State News has given you some talking points.
Get a room, you two. Seriously. Argue facts and leave the ad hominem crap for somewhere else. Please.
How's that?
Great. So Bloomberg contributed to the economy by spending 200m+ on a 4 week campaign. But these people are all morons -- they need to go after Bernie. It is like they genuinely don't know that he is the front-runner. This is terrible.
The Old Man posted:Nappy always falls back on whataboutism. That's all he's got. And Nappy, would you care to defend the war criminals he's pardoned? I'm sure Fox State News has given you some talking points.
Whataboutism is such a moronic term...it just means you give up and cop to your hypocrisy! You are a pathetic individual. You are knowledgeable about movies though and I respect that.
winetarelli posted:Great. So Bloomberg contributed to the economy by spending 200m+ on a 4 week campaign. But these people are all morons -- they need to go after Bernie. It is like they genuinely don't know that he is the front-runner. This is terrible.
Oh my....worse than I thought. That was shocking how bad these candidates are. Are you kidding me. I could do better. Can’t someone stand up and say...I’m rich...so what. Worked hard to get there. How did all those people get to the point they are currently at? Did Government give it to them? Are any of the candidates plans going to make anyone a billionaire or a senator?...doubtful. Hard work will. Just shocking how poor that was. Fun though.
i feel bad for Democrats tonight. Ok...I don’t!
napacat posted:The Old Man posted:Nappy always falls back on whataboutism. That's all he's got. And Nappy, would you care to defend the war criminals he's pardoned? I'm sure Fox State News has given you some talking points.
Whataboutism is such a moronic term...it just means you give up and cop to your hypocrisy! You are a pathetic individual. You are knowledgeable about movies though and I respect that.
Actually it's the pure definition of whataboutism. Clinton's no longer president, I never liked the guy. We're talking about the guy who currently occupies the White House. If you will notice I am not going to use any more personal attacks. It is a passionate subject that only compares during my lifetime to Nixon. As with my one Trump friend, it's just something we don't discuss. Perhaps that makes me most sad for America. My friend would like to debate politics but it's become impossible.
"You are knowledgeable about movies though and I respect that." Thank you for that, yes i am, but it never made me a penny.
Post it notes were invented in Minnesota. That's it. I've voting for Klobuchar!
napacat posted:winetarelli posted:Great. So Bloomberg contributed to the economy by spending 200m+ on a 4 week campaign. But these people are all morons -- they need to go after Bernie. It is like they genuinely don't know that he is the front-runner. This is terrible.
Oh my....worse than I thought. That was shocking how bad these candidates are. Are you kidding me. I could do better. Can’t someone stand up and say...I’m rich...so what. Worked hard to get there. How did all those people get to the point they are currently at? Did Government give it to them? Are any of the candidates plans going to make anyone a billionaire or a senator?...doubtful. Hard work will. Just shocking how poor that was. Fun though.
i feel bad for Democrats tonight. Ok...I don’t!
It was, in a lot of respects, a shit show. But I will still vote for the candidate the emerges and faces the occupant of the Office currently.
patespo1 posted:It was, in a lot of respects, a shit show. But I will still vote for the candidate the emerges and faces the occupant of the Office currently.
I didn't watch it. I don't need to watch it. But I will vote D always this year.
mimik posted:As per AzCat's idea in the Undiscovered thread, here goes:
Cornflakes are nice.
Sorry Mim. but cornflakes are boring.....
