napacat posted:

Question...how does this farce move forward when:

The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?

And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?

just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.

I only watch Fox State News and other pro bigot-in-chief echo chamber media. I only know their talking points. I'm a know-nothing idiot.

But here's one moron: The people who know the truth, Giuliani, Mulvaney and others are being blocked from testifying by whom? And as non-Fox State News viewers know, Trump's consul refused to let him talk under oath to Mueller because they knew he would perjure himself.

Oh alright one more. Are we supposed to be surprised that neither the blackmailer, nor the beleaguered blackmailee (sic) deny anything happened?

Muddled thinker and terrible debater.

napacat posted:

Question...how does this farce move forward when:

The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?

And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?

just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.

Here is the clearest simplest explanation of the whole affair to date, from ABC News, hardly a left-wing fake news organization.  Hope this assists your understanding of the matter:

- Driven by debunked claims promoted by conservative media and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, Trump pushed the newly-elected president of Ukraine, Vlodymyr Zelenskiy, to investigate Trump's political rival, Biden. Trump even wanted Zelenskiy to announce the investigation in public, witnesses testified.

- Meanwhile, Zelenskiy was eager to visit the White House and meet with Trump. At the White House's behest, senior U.S. officials made clear to Zelenskiy's team that a White House visit would only happen if Ukraine investigated Biden and announced it publicly.

- While the Ukrainians were pushing for a White House visit and Trump administration officials were pushing for a Biden investigation, Trump directed the U.S. government to freeze much-needed military aid to Ukraine. (For years, Ukraine has been engaged in a bloody war with Russia. The United States was sending military aid to Ukraine to help keep Russia at bay and keep Ukrainian soldiers alive -- and that aid enjoyed bipartisan support in Congress and even "unanimous" support within relevant parts of the U.S. government.)

- The Ukrainian officials may not have realized it, but -- Trump's top diplomat to Ukraine alleged -- the White House refused to restart military aid until Ukraine agreed to investigate Biden and announce it publicly. And, while the military aid was frozen, Trump specifically wanted to know the status of Ukraine's investigations.

- Military assistance to Ukraine was finally restarted two days after Congress was notified that a whistleblower's complaint of "urgent concern" had been filed with the intelligence community's internal watchdog.

The Old Man posted:

It's so hard to believe that the Trumpublicans for some reason let the same attorney who was so weak on Wednesday waste their 45 minute allotted time today. He belongs in traffic court defending speeders and red light violators.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the repubs really don't have a lot to work with in the "facts" department.  I'm really getting the feeling that Castor would rather be somewhere else.  He's just bumbling along and frankly making Ambassador Yovanovitch look better and more even keeled the longer it goes on.  Thanks!

PH

patespo1 posted:
doubled posted:

Are all the Ohio House of Representatives on the House Intelligence Committee? 

Maybe we should just send Myles Garrett after Trump 

He can start with your Representatives.  How about knocking some sense into them?

napacat posted:

Rough day for the dems!  What a sham and a farce.  Volker and Morrison pretty much shut this false narrative down.

and indeed there is a standout congresswoman from NY and it’s not (nor will it ever be AOC).

Did you get your notes from Fox and Trump's Twitter account again?  Because what you said is not what happened.  Aside from Volker, the other non-politically-appointed witnesses said Trump's comments were inappropriate (which is why they raised their concerns with their superiors) and confirmed that there was a clear quid pro quo of arms for Ukraine in return for an investigation into Biden.  As have pretty much all the witnesses before them.  And Volker had to revise his testimony after the false statements he made the first time were called out by several others.  Vindman's testimony was especially devastating.

napacat posted:

Rough day for the dems!  What a sham and a farce.  Volker and Morrison pretty much shut this false narrative down.

and indeed there is a standout congresswoman from NY and it’s not (nor will it ever be AOC).

I guess you've stepped up from being a moron to a troll.

napacat posted:

Rough day for the dems!  What a sham and a farce.  Volker and Morrison pretty much shut this false narrative down.

and indeed there is a standout congresswoman from NY and it’s not (nor will it ever be AOC).

You are dumber than you look.

Please enlighten us with how Sondland’s testimony today proves there was no quid pro quo.......

Nappie, how's Fox State News spinning this this morning? Poor Sondland, gave the racist in chief money, thought it would be fun to be an ambassador, and then today was forced to tell the truth or be shown to have committed perjury. Poor Perry Mason Jr.--Steve Castor--he's trying to dig this out but he's getting nowhere.

And Rudy, better get yourself a real good lawyer--you're about to be thrown under the bus by the Under-the-bus-thrower in chief.

purplehaze posted:

Sounds like Sondland is in a bit of a hurry to get out of Dodge and across the pond.  

PH

"Gordon Sondland, Rick Perry, Mike Mulvaney, Rudolph Guiliani, I didn't really know any of them well. Perhaps Rudy was running his own rogue operation, but I barely knew any of these guys."

napacat posted:

and indeed there is a standout congresswoman from NY and it’s not (nor will it ever be AOC).

What a joke. The former Republican Party is sure a party that respects women. Of course here's the shocking statistics:

Total Senate
100 (45D, 53R, 2I)
Women
25 (17D, 8R)
Total House
435 (235D, 199R)
Women
 102 (89D, 13R),

And for sure let's not look at the pathetic stats for African Americans, Latinos, and people of color.

winetarelli posted:

I swear to Jesus (and I’m Jewish) if these assholes spend tonight arguing over niche far-left woke Twitter issues rather than coming together and taking it to Trump and the Republicans, *I* will run for President. This is a layup, guys. Don’t fuck it up. 

Please do it; you'd get my vote!  Well, Pete might edge you.

sd-wineaux posted:
winetarelli posted:

I swear to Jesus (and I’m Jewish) if these assholes spend tonight arguing over niche far-left woke Twitter issues rather than coming together and taking it to Trump and the Republicans, *I* will run for President. This is a layup, guys. Don’t fuck it up. 

Please do it; you'd get my vote!  Well, Pete might edge you.

... and people ask why I keep coming back to this site?! 😎

doubled posted:
brucehayes posted:

"Because it was a convenient place to stay."

If it weren’t for the impeachment hearings, that would garner more attention.

Here in the US, yes.  On the other side of the pond, Andrew is getting rightfully pilloried.  

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