I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.
That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole. What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.
PH
bman posted:I am becoming more and more a fan of Klobuchar both for her policies and her electability. UT she has a huge mountain to climb. Also wondering who might pair with Warren should she win to rein in her more extreme ideas. Klobuchar might fit that bill but would America support two women on the ticket?
I'd support a deer and a raccoon if they were on the Democratic ticket.
doubled posted:bman posted:I am becoming more and more a fan of Klobuchar both for her policies and her electability. UT she has a huge mountain to climb. Also wondering who might pair with Warren should she win to rein in her more extreme ideas. Klobuchar might fit that bill but would America support two women on the ticket?
I'd support a deer and a raccoon if they were on the Democratic ticket.
Or moose and squirrel,,,,,
bman posted:doubled posted:bman posted:I am becoming more and more a fan of Klobuchar both for her policies and her electability. UT she has a huge mountain to climb. Also wondering who might pair with Warren should she win to rein in her more extreme ideas. Klobuchar might fit that bill but would America support two women on the ticket?
I'd support a deer and a raccoon if they were on the Democratic ticket.
Or moose and squirrel,,,,,
At least we wouldn't have to worry about them conspiring with Boris and Natasha!
PH
winetarelli posted:The first election I was ever eligible to vote in, I voted for Gore, who didn’t really impress me at the time. But he was a lot better than W to me.
And I had the pleasure of representing Gore and the Democrats in the 2000 election litigation - such fun times early in my career
Wine!
Not random but certainly off topic
You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee. None can beat Trump. They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in. Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.
napacat posted:They all suck and everyone knows it...
What are you, four?
napacat posted:cellarnewbie posted:napacat posted:The Old Man posted:"As for Biden...yes I have heard the same defense. Odd how this quid pro quo is ok though."
God you're so ignorant and as I've said many times just such a poor debater. Funny about that word "though." Not only is it the proof of the demagogue in chief's anti-democratic act, but with it your use of it you are admitting that Trump did what he's accused of, offering a quid pro quo to it get a foreign country to give him dirt on a political opponent. Meanwhile there's no proof of anything in regard to Biden. But let's say there were, I'm going to make a shocking statement that it's not near the offense of blackmailing other countries to help you win a US election.
Also please read up on today's news from Great Britain that Trump was trying to squeeze information against his political "enemies."
"His job was to recommend charges or not."
I guess you didn't read my response, or are deliberately ignoring it as a good Fox State News viewer. He was constrained from recommending charges because of a DOJ rule. PS, not a law.
May I suggest you find some other thread to respond to because every time you do here you just dig yourself down deeper and deeper.
You are a bitter and rotten soul and I presume an overall jerk of a human. You, Old Man, think I implied that Trump had a quid pro quo ( I did not). I stated "odd how this quid pro quo was ok" (Biden). You interpret that to imply that I indicated that Trump made one as well...nice leap. Stick to the person I was speaking about.
If the rule is that a sitting president cannot be indicted...then what was the point of the entire investigation. You know they would have nailed them if they could. On one hand....Trump is a moron and the dumbest president ever. On the other hand, you also want us to believe he is brilliant and worked with Russia to get elected and was able to hide it from the special council. Man...You all are a tiring bunch.
And the Cellarnewbie who states: "Also, he lost the popular vote by 3 million, because is president because land gets more electoral credit than urban areas".
This is only due to Los Angels County / Southern CA and Manhattan. You think we want this group of out of touch people to sway the general elevation in their favor...not at all. Any talk of dissolving the Electoral College is nonsensical and just bitterness from the losing side.
Get over it...Trump will win again.
There are more people in Los Angeles than in Wyoming, North or South Dakota, Idaho, etc, yet each of those states gets far more representation in DC than just the people of Los Angeles. You don't think people in NYC or LA should get an equal say in the vote? Why shouldn't 1 person = 1 vote?
Vice versa...you think that a large concentration of liberal democrats in LA or NY should make a small state’s populations vote irrelevant?
That's what their congressional representation is for. The Presidency should reflect the population of the country as a whole.
The Old Man posted:napacat posted:They all suck and everyone knows it...
What are you, four?
That is the IQ not the age
flwino posted:The Old Man posted:napacat posted:They all suck and everyone knows it...
What are you, four?
That is the IQ not the age
The later the hour, the deeper the wisdom. 
PH
napacat posted:You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee. None can beat Trump. They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in. Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.
2/10 on the troll meter. Step up your game next post.
wineismylife posted:napacat posted:You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee. None can beat Trump. They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in. Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.
2/10 on the troll meter. Step up your game next post.
purplehaze posted:I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.
That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole. What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.
PH
He is an embarrassment to Ohio State, and the State of Ohio. It pains me as an Ohioan that people would think he represents us.
wineismylife posted:napacat posted:You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee. None can beat Trump. They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in. Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.
2/10 on the troll meter. Step up your game next post.
That is him at the top of his game. Muddled thinker, weak debater.
The Old Man posted:wineismylife posted:napacat posted:You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee. None can beat Trump. They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in. Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.
2/10 on the troll meter. Step up your game next post.
That is him at the top of his game. Muddled thinker, weak debater.
Santa Clarita CA. "'No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens"
napacat posted:You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee. None can beat Trump. They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in. Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.
It literally amazes me that close to 100% of your posts prove yet again that you are dumber than you look.
And I’ll leave this here, b/c it’s so particularly apt with Putin’s Bitch and his band of numbskull followers........
patespo1 posted:purplehaze posted:I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.
That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole. What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.
PH
He is an embarrassment to Ohio State, and the State of Ohio. It pains me as an Ohioan that people would think he represents us.
No one (except for the misguided) thinks that he represents anyone other than himself, his negligent stewardship of his collegiate athletic responsibilities and his misguided support of an idiotic pretender to the Presidency.
And, out of respect to his colleagues and constituents, he should put on a jacket when he appears in Congress. Nobody sees his jacket-less, pseudo macho shirtsleeve aggressiveness as anything other than fake manliness and redneck aggression.
Hard to imagine that he got subbed into these hearing as an "improvement."
PH
Great to see big top dog Trump sycophant Jim Jordan squelched by Welch.
purplehaze posted:patespo1 posted:purplehaze posted:I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.
That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole. What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.
PH
He is an embarrassment to Ohio State, and the State of Ohio. It pains me as an Ohioan that people would think he represents us.
No one (except for the misguided) thinks that he represents anyone other than himself, his negligent stewardship of his collegiate athletic responsibilities and his misguided support of an idiotic pretender to the Presidency.
And, out of respect to his colleagues and constituents, he should put on a jacket when he appears in Congress. Nobody sees his jacket-less, pseudo macho shirtsleeve aggressiveness as anything other than fake manliness and redneck aggression.
Hard to imagine that he got subbed into these hearing as an "improvement."
PH
Wow...agree with you on something...he should most certainly wear a jacket!
Question...how does this farce move forward when:
The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?
And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?
just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.
napacat posted:Question...how does this farce move forward when:
The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?
And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?
just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.
Easy. And it's not a farce, if you've followed any news source other than Fox or Breitbart. I again recommend that you check out the BBC, The Economist magazine or the CBC rather than any American news source.
No need to be present for a crime to determine that a crime was committed. Police are rarely eyewitnesses to murders but the presence of a dead body riddled with bullet holes is usually pretty good evidence that a crime was committed. Your turn. Explain why it matters whether or not the people who claim wrongdoing would need to have met Trump?
As for the participants saying there was nothing inappropriate, of course the Ukrainian President would say there was nothing inappropriate. Trump would turn against him if he said anything else. He already cut off essential military aid in an attempt to force an investigation into imaginary Biden corruption. Obviously he would not hesitate to punish the Ukrainians if they said anything he didn't like. Note as well that Trump has yet to invite the Ukrainian President for an official visit to Washington.
patespo1 posted:purplehaze posted:I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.
That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole. What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.
PH
He is an embarrassment to Ohio State, and the State of Ohio. It pains me as an Ohioan that people would think he represents us.
I'm sorry. I just assumed you voted him to DC just to get him out of the state. Like voting for the village idiot, just to be rid of him.
bman posted:Your turn. Explain why it matters whether or not the people who claim wrongdoing would need to have met Trump?
Exactly. Additionally, please justify why so many individuals who have met Trump and who have first hand knowledge of his actions are being barred from testifying. By Trump.
As TOM has stated many times, napa is truly a terrible debater. Straw men, red herrings and misdirection galore. Of course, in the case of tRump there isn't a lot to work with, so his enablers have to work with what little they have.
Should be an interesting hearing this morning with Ambassador Yovanovitch. She is a talented career diplomat who was know for her anti-corruption stance when she served in Ukraine. I wonder how the nit-wits in the House minority will try to spin this.
PH
I have the impression that the reporters and other persons in the news business, and a very, very small slice of Americans understand/care about these impeachment proceedings.
I suspect that 37% of Americans will vote to re-elect Trump no matter what and about 45% of Americans will vote against him no matter what. That's of the people who vote. Large numbers of Americans are way more concerned and occupied with issues like: What are they going to do from paycheck to paycheck, can they afford their prescriptions, what happens if they lose their jobs, and what to do if the hot water heater fails. For many, this is political stuff is boring theater. I suspect fewer than 10% know where Ukraine is, or could point to it on a map.
This doesn't mean the impeachment process isn't important. It's just that Congress has a lot of things that it could do. The major accomplishment of the Congress over the last 10-15 years seems to be the near unanimous passage of the "Do not call" legislation, which doesn't seem to have worked very well.
irwin posted:...It's just that Congress has a lot of things that it could do.
Perhaps the Senate could work on some of the 400+ bills that have at least one co-sponsor from each party that have been sent by the House to gather dust on Moscow Mitch's desk?
PH
napacat posted:Question...how does this farce move forward when:
The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?
And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?
just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into you
napacat posted:Question...how does this farce move forward when:
The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?
And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?
just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.
You really are this stupid.
Please tell us that Lt Col Alexander Vindman is a publicity hound that knows nothing about Ukraine or proper decorum with foreign relations, compared to the self-described “very stable genius” known as Putin’s Bitch........
flwino posted:napacat posted:Question...how does this farce move forward when:
The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?
And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?
just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into you
I guess reading is not one of your attributes. The transcript was released by The Dumpster. He said it was complete and accurate. So from his mouth the the public he said ".. do me a favor.." "investigate Biden.." Guess FOX did not release that to you. Maybe you should as least once get your facts right before you blow off and stick your foot in the mouth.
It's clear that Napacat represents a slice of society that is just plain dumb and ignorant. I appreciate you guys calling the effing tool out.
napacat posted:Question...how does this farce move forward when:
The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?
And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?
just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.
I only watch Fox State News and other pro bigot-in-chief echo chamber media. I only know their talking points. I'm a know-nothing idiot.
But here's one moron: The people who know the truth, Giuliani, Mulvaney and others are being blocked from testifying by whom? And as non-Fox State News viewers know, Trump's consul refused to let him talk under oath to Mueller because they knew he would perjure himself.
Oh alright one more. Are we supposed to be surprised that neither the blackmailer, nor the beleaguered blackmailee (sic) deny anything happened?
Muddled thinker and terrible debater.
napacat posted:Question...how does this farce move forward when:
The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?
And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?
just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.
Here is the clearest simplest explanation of the whole affair to date, from ABC News, hardly a left-wing fake news organization. Hope this assists your understanding of the matter:
- Driven by debunked claims promoted by conservative media and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, Trump pushed the newly-elected president of Ukraine, Vlodymyr Zelenskiy, to investigate Trump's political rival, Biden. Trump even wanted Zelenskiy to announce the investigation in public, witnesses testified.
- Meanwhile, Zelenskiy was eager to visit the White House and meet with Trump. At the White House's behest, senior U.S. officials made clear to Zelenskiy's team that a White House visit would only happen if Ukraine investigated Biden and announced it publicly.
- While the Ukrainians were pushing for a White House visit and Trump administration officials were pushing for a Biden investigation, Trump directed the U.S. government to freeze much-needed military aid to Ukraine. (For years, Ukraine has been engaged in a bloody war with Russia. The United States was sending military aid to Ukraine to help keep Russia at bay and keep Ukrainian soldiers alive -- and that aid enjoyed bipartisan support in Congress and even "unanimous" support within relevant parts of the U.S. government.)
- The Ukrainian officials may not have realized it, but -- Trump's top diplomat to Ukraine alleged -- the White House refused to restart military aid until Ukraine agreed to investigate Biden and announce it publicly. And, while the military aid was frozen, Trump specifically wanted to know the status of Ukraine's investigations.
- Military assistance to Ukraine was finally restarted two days after Congress was notified that a whistleblower's complaint of "urgent concern" had been filed with the intelligence community's internal watchdog.
Roger Stone--lock him up! They should have enough of Trump's pals soon to start an all-prison baseball team.
Pussy grabber in chief says--Stone, stone? I think I may have met him once, but I meet a lot of people.
Real time witness tampering/intimidation by the genius in the WH. You couldn't make this stuff up.
PH
It's so hard to believe that the Trumpublicans for some reason let the same attorney who was so weak on Wednesday waste their 45 minute allotted time today. He belongs in traffic court defending speeders and red light violators.
The Old Man posted:It's so hard to believe that the Trumpublicans for some reason let the same attorney who was so weak on Wednesday waste their 45 minute allotted time today. He belongs in traffic court defending speeders and red light violators.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the repubs really don't have a lot to work with in the "facts" department. I'm really getting the feeling that Castor would rather be somewhere else. He's just bumbling along and frankly making Ambassador Yovanovitch look better and more even keeled the longer it goes on. Thanks!
PH
Are all the Ohio House of Representatives on the House Intelligence Committee?
I'm not sure what I was expecting from today's hearing, but I am very impressed by Marie Yovanovitch. I can't imagine a better example of the best of our diplomatic corps. I hope that she again has the opportunity to represent us overseas VERY soon.
PH
doubled posted:Are all the Ohio House of Representatives on the House Intelligence Committee?
Maybe we should just send Myles Garrett after Trump
patespo1 posted:doubled posted:Are all the Ohio House of Representatives on the House Intelligence Committee?
Maybe we should just send Myles Garrett after Trump
I doubt they make a helmet that big.
