winetarelli posted:

The GOP has already telegraphed that it will settle on: “Trump tried to extort Ukraine but (1) You can’t blame him, he has no idea what he is doing, (2) he failed so ‘no harm, no foul’, and (3) every President does it.”  While Trump is an obvious incompetent gord, it is not an excuse. The other two are so preposterous, I hope truth can get through to some people. But these excuses are so damaging to public trust and understanding of law.  

And the “rule of law” party reveals itself — it was never about that for most of them.  It was for a few, but they’ve all jumped ship. For the remainers, they just wanted to imprison poor and Black people who broke the law. 

I can't believe what a bad job the GOP counsel, Steve Castor, is doing. Steve, lawyer 101-- don't ask questions you don't know the answer to.

Oh, for Fuck’s sake. No. First Bloomberg, now Deval Patrick. And there are rumors of Sherrod Brown. No. You all had your chance. Fuck you. No. 

And if anyone splits the vote off of Biden and causes Warren to be the nominee, it will be on your heads. 

I hate being a Democrat. It is hearding cats. And this time it really matters.

winetarelli posted:

Oh, for Fuck’s sake. No. First Bloomberg, now Deval Patrick. And there are rumors of Sherrod Brown. No. You all had your chance. Fuck you. No. 

And if anyone splits the vote off of Biden and causes Warren to be the nominee, it will be on your heads. 

I hate being a Democrat. It is hearding cats. And this time it really matters.

Hillary is reportedly not closing the door on jumping in...

winetarelli posted:

Oh, for Fuck’s sake. No. First Bloomberg, now Deval Patrick. And there are rumors of Sherrod Brown. No. You all had your chance. Fuck you. No. 

And if anyone splits the vote off of Biden and causes Warren to be the nominee, it will be on your heads. 

I hate being a Democrat. It is hearding cats. And this time it really matters.

I've only been a registered Democrat for a few months, and only changed my affiliation from "i" so that I'd have a say in the primary.  Do you honestly think that either Bloomberg or Patrick have enough juice to affect the primaries?  I just don't see it.

I wish I had your (and b-man's) confidence in Biden, but he troubles me a bit.  Electable, probably.  Inspiring?  Not so much.
PH

I am becoming more and more a fan of Klobuchar both for her policies and her electability. UT she has a huge mountain to climb. Also wondering who might pair with Warren should she win to rein in her more extreme ideas. Klobuchar might fit that bill but would America support two women on the ticket?

purplehaze posted:
winetarelli posted:

Oh, for Fuck’s sake. No. First Bloomberg, now Deval Patrick. And there are rumors of Sherrod Brown. No. You all had your chance. Fuck you. No. 

And if anyone splits the vote off of Biden and causes Warren to be the nominee, it will be on your heads. 

I hate being a Democrat. It is hearding cats. And this time it really matters.

I've only been a registered Democrat for a few months, and only changed my affiliation from "i" so that I'd have a say in the primary.  Do you honestly think that either Bloomberg or Patrick have enough juice to affect the primaries?  I just don't see it.

I wish I had your (and b-man's) confidence in Biden, but he troubles me a bit.  Electable, probably.  Inspiring?  Not so much.
PH

I do think they can take enough away from Biden to make Warren the nominee. 

Biden isn’t a rock star. As between him, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Bullock, and Bennet he would not be my first choice. But I like him fine. He would be safe, and get things back to a more normal place in foreign and domestic politics. He would assemble a team that I trust. But most importantly, every single poll — even with all of the shit hurled his way from all sides — puts him on much better ground against Trump than anyone else. Warren is consistently one of the worst. And there are parts of her platform and public statements that simply aren’t tenable in a General Election.

 

The first election I was ever eligible to vote in, I voted for Gore, who didn’t really impress me at the time. But he was a lot better than W to me. Then, I worked on Kerry’s campaign. He was long-winded, but I liked him. Then I got the pleasure of voting for someone I really admired twice — and he won!  Then, Hillary, who was the worst candidate I’ve ever seen, but policy-wise I liked. So, I’ve been all over the place on this. Bennet — and Yang, actually — are probably the two closest to my exact domestic politics, but neither will be the next President and Yang should not be as he knows very little about IR and doesn’t have the gravitas to lead a country out of a paper bag. Buttigieg is the most eloquent, but he just does lousy against Trump in the polls. If Klobuchar or Bullock we’re going to be a hit, it would have happened already.  I’m fine with Biden. It’s already November. Time to get a candidate who can beat Trump and then focus on that. The election is about Trump, it has to be. Biden, more than anyone else, makes the election about Trump. Which, imo, is why he consistently matches up best. 

winetarelli posted:
purplehaze posted:
winetarelli posted:

Oh, for Fuck’s sake. No. First Bloomberg, now Deval Patrick. And there are rumors of Sherrod Brown. No. You all had your chance. Fuck you. No. 

And if anyone splits the vote off of Biden and causes Warren to be the nominee, it will be on your heads. 

I hate being a Democrat. It is hearding cats. And this time it really matters.

I've only been a registered Democrat for a few months, and only changed my affiliation from "i" so that I'd have a say in the primary.  Do you honestly think that either Bloomberg or Patrick have enough juice to affect the primaries?  I just don't see it.

I wish I had your (and b-man's) confidence in Biden, but he troubles me a bit.  Electable, probably.  Inspiring?  Not so much.
PH

I do think they can take enough away from Biden to make Warren the nominee. 

Thanks for the thoughtful response.  Respectfully disagree on the interlopers.  I don't think that either of them have the juice to make a sufficient impact.  Despite Bloomie's deep pockets and Patrick's considered opinions, they're too late to the party to suck off more than a few % points.

I do agree with you that this is a one issue election.  I'll support whoever the nominee is with my time and what little cash I can spare.  I'm a bit of a geezer, so the next election won't affect my life enough for me to worry about myself.  I have 2 daughters and 3 grandkids who I'm fighting for.

PH

bman posted:

I am becoming more and more a fan of Klobuchar both for her policies and her electability. UT she has a huge mountain to climb. Also wondering who might pair with Warren should she win to rein in her more extreme ideas. Klobuchar might fit that bill but would America support two women on the ticket?

I think throwing Buttigieg on the tail end of either of these tickets might work.  I do like this guy, but don't think he has the total package this time around as a front-runner.

PH

I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.

That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole.  What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.  

PH

bman posted:

I am becoming more and more a fan of Klobuchar both for her policies and her electability. UT she has a huge mountain to climb. Also wondering who might pair with Warren should she win to rein in her more extreme ideas. Klobuchar might fit that bill but would America support two women on the ticket?

I'd support a deer and a raccoon if they were on the Democratic ticket.

doubled posted:
bman posted:

I am becoming more and more a fan of Klobuchar both for her policies and her electability. UT she has a huge mountain to climb. Also wondering who might pair with Warren should she win to rein in her more extreme ideas. Klobuchar might fit that bill but would America support two women on the ticket?

I'd support a deer and a raccoon if they were on the Democratic ticket.

Or moose and squirrel,,,,,

bman posted:
doubled posted:
bman posted:

I am becoming more and more a fan of Klobuchar both for her policies and her electability. UT she has a huge mountain to climb. Also wondering who might pair with Warren should she win to rein in her more extreme ideas. Klobuchar might fit that bill but would America support two women on the ticket?

I'd support a deer and a raccoon if they were on the Democratic ticket.

Or moose and squirrel,,,,,

At least we wouldn't have to worry about them conspiring with Boris and Natasha!

PH

winetarelli posted:

The first election I was ever eligible to vote in, I voted for Gore, who didn’t really impress me at the time. But he was a lot better than W to me. 

And I had the pleasure of representing Gore and the Democrats in the 2000 election litigation - such fun times early in my career

napacat posted:
cellarnewbie posted:
napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

"As for Biden...yes I have heard the same defense.  Odd how this quid pro quo is ok though."

God you're so ignorant and as I've said many times just such a poor debater. Funny about that word "though." Not only is it the proof of the demagogue in chief's anti-democratic act, but with it your use of it you are admitting that Trump did what he's accused of, offering a quid pro quo to it get a foreign country to give him dirt on a political opponent. Meanwhile there's no proof of anything in regard to Biden. But let's say there were, I'm going to make a shocking statement that it's not near the offense of blackmailing other countries to help you win a US election.

Also please read up on today's news from Great Britain that Trump was trying to squeeze information against his political "enemies."

"His job was to recommend charges or not."

I guess you didn't read my response, or are deliberately ignoring it as a good Fox State News viewer. He was constrained from recommending charges because of a DOJ rule. PS, not a law.

May I suggest you find some other thread to respond to because every time you do here you just dig yourself down deeper and deeper.

You are a bitter and rotten soul and I presume an overall jerk of a human.  You, Old Man,  think I implied that Trump had a quid pro quo ( I did not).  I stated "odd how this quid pro quo was ok" (Biden).  You interpret that to imply that I indicated that Trump made one as well...nice leap.  Stick to the person I was speaking about. 

If the rule is that a sitting president cannot be indicted...then what was the point of the entire investigation.  You know they would have nailed them if they could. On one hand....Trump is a moron and the dumbest president ever.  On the other hand, you also want us to believe he is brilliant and worked with Russia to get elected and was able to hide it from the special council. Man...You all are a tiring bunch. 

And the Cellarnewbie  who states: "Also, he lost the popular vote by 3 million, because is president because land gets more electoral credit than urban areas".

This is only due to Los Angels County / Southern CA and Manhattan.  You think we want  this group of out of touch people to sway the general elevation in their favor...not at all.   Any talk of dissolving the Electoral College is nonsensical and just bitterness from the losing side.

Get over it...Trump will win again.  

There are more people in Los Angeles than in Wyoming, North or South Dakota, Idaho, etc, yet each of those states gets far more representation in DC than just the people of Los Angeles.  You don't think people in NYC or LA should get an equal say in the vote?  Why shouldn't 1 person = 1 vote?  

Vice versa...you think that a large concentration of liberal democrats in LA or NY should make a small state’s populations vote irrelevant?

That's what their congressional representation is for.  The Presidency should reflect the population of the country as a whole. 

napacat posted:

You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee.  None can beat Trump.  They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in.  Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.

2/10 on the troll meter.  Step up your game next post.

wineismylife posted:
napacat posted:

You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee.  None can beat Trump.  They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in.  Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.

2/10 on the troll meter.  Step up your game next post.

 

purplehaze posted:

I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.

That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole.  What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.  

PH

He is an embarrassment to Ohio State, and the State of Ohio.  It pains me as an Ohioan that people would think he represents us.  

wineismylife posted:
napacat posted:

You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee.  None can beat Trump.  They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in.  Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.

2/10 on the troll meter.  Step up your game next post.

That is him at the top of his game. Muddled thinker, weak debater.

The Old Man posted:
wineismylife posted:
napacat posted:

You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee.  None can beat Trump.  They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in.  Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.

2/10 on the troll meter.  Step up your game next post.

That is him at the top of his game. Muddled thinker, weak debater.

Santa Clarita CA. "'No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens"

napacat posted:

You guys are wasting your time fretting over the Dem nominee.  None can beat Trump.  They all suck and everyone knows it...which is why so many late comers are jumping in.  Their policies and platform are just plain wrong for the U.S.

It literally amazes me that close to 100% of your posts prove yet again that you are dumber than you look.

And I’ll leave this here, b/c it’s so particularly apt with Putin’s Bitch and his band of numbskull followers........

patespo1 posted:
purplehaze posted:

I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.

That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole.  What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.  

PH

He is an embarrassment to Ohio State, and the State of Ohio.  It pains me as an Ohioan that people would think he represents us.  

No one (except for the misguided) thinks that he represents anyone other than himself, his negligent stewardship of his collegiate athletic responsibilities and his misguided support of an idiotic pretender to the Presidency.  

And, out of respect to his colleagues and constituents, he should put on a jacket when he appears in Congress.  Nobody sees his jacket-less, pseudo macho shirtsleeve aggressiveness as anything other than fake manliness and redneck aggression.  

Hard to imagine that he got subbed into these hearing as an "improvement."

PH

purplehaze posted:
patespo1 posted:
purplehaze posted:

I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.

That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole.  What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.  

PH

He is an embarrassment to Ohio State, and the State of Ohio.  It pains me as an Ohioan that people would think he represents us.  

No one (except for the misguided) thinks that he represents anyone other than himself, his negligent stewardship of his collegiate athletic responsibilities and his misguided support of an idiotic pretender to the Presidency.  

And, out of respect to his colleagues and constituents, he should put on a jacket when he appears in Congress.  Nobody sees his jacket-less, pseudo macho shirtsleeve aggressiveness as anything other than fake manliness and redneck aggression.  

Hard to imagine that he got subbed into these hearing as an "improvement."

PH

Wow...agree with you on something...he should most certainly wear a jacket!

Question...how does this farce move forward when:

The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?

And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?

just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.

napacat posted:

Question...how does this farce move forward when:

The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?

And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?

just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.

Easy.  And it's not a farce, if you've followed any news source other than Fox or Breitbart.  I again recommend that you check out the BBC, The Economist magazine or the CBC rather than any American news source.

No need to be present for a crime to determine that a crime was committed.  Police are rarely eyewitnesses to murders but the presence of a dead body riddled with bullet holes is usually pretty good evidence that a crime was committed.  Your turn.  Explain why it matters whether or not the people who claim wrongdoing would need to have met Trump?

As for the participants saying there was nothing inappropriate, of course the Ukrainian President would say there was nothing inappropriate.  Trump would turn against him if he said anything else.  He already cut off essential military aid in an attempt to force an investigation into imaginary Biden corruption.  Obviously he would not hesitate to punish the Ukrainians if they said anything he didn't like.  Note as well that Trump has yet to invite the Ukrainian President for an official visit to Washington.

patespo1 posted:
purplehaze posted:

I used to be a bit of a brawler in my youth, but am pretty much a pacifist these days.

That said, I get a visceral urge to drive to DC and punch Gym Jordan in his smirky face, every time he opens his pie hole.  What a smarmy sycophantic piece of shite he is.  

PH

He is an embarrassment to Ohio State, and the State of Ohio.  It pains me as an Ohioan that people would think he represents us.  

I'm sorry. I just assumed you voted him to DC just to get him out of the state. Like voting for the village idiot, just to be rid of him.

bman posted:
Your turn.  Explain why it matters whether or not the people who claim wrongdoing would need to have met Trump?

 

Exactly.  Additionally, please justify why so many individuals who have met Trump and who have first hand knowledge of his actions are being barred from testifying.  By Trump.

As TOM has stated many times, napa is truly a terrible debater.  Straw men, red herrings and misdirection galore.  Of course, in the case of tRump there isn't a lot to work with, so his enablers have to work with what little they have.

Should be an interesting hearing this morning with Ambassador Yovanovitch.  She is a talented career diplomat who was know for her anti-corruption stance when she served in Ukraine.  I wonder how the nit-wits in the House minority will try to spin this.

PH

I have the impression that the reporters and other persons in the news business, and a very, very small slice of Americans understand/care about these impeachment proceedings.

I suspect that 37% of Americans will vote to re-elect Trump no matter what and about 45% of Americans will vote against him no matter what.  That's of the people who vote.  Large numbers of Americans are way more concerned and occupied with issues like: What are they going to do from paycheck to paycheck,  can they afford their prescriptions, what happens if they lose their jobs, and what to do if the hot water heater fails.  For many, this is political stuff is boring theater.  I suspect fewer than 10% know where Ukraine is, or could point to it on a map.

This doesn't mean the impeachment process isn't important.  It's just that Congress has a lot of things that it could do.  The major accomplishment of the Congress over the last 10-15 years seems to be the near unanimous passage of the "Do not call" legislation, which doesn't seem to have worked very well.

napacat posted:

Question...how does this farce move forward when:

The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?

And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?

just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into you

 

napacat posted:

Question...how does this farce move forward when:

The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?

And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?

just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into your reply.

You really are this stupid.

Please tell us that Lt Col Alexander Vindman is a publicity hound that knows nothing about Ukraine or proper decorum with foreign relations, compared to the self-described “very stable genius” known as Putin’s Bitch........

flwino posted:
napacat posted:

Question...how does this farce move forward when:

The only people that claim wrongdoing on the call have never met President Trump and were not privy to the call?

And the participants on the call (including the Ukrainian President) say there was nothing inappropriate?

just answer that...don’t bring any other nonsense into you

 

I guess reading is not one of your attributes.  The transcript was released by The Dumpster.  He said it was complete and accurate.  So from his mouth the the public he said "..  do me a favor.."  "investigate Biden.."  Guess FOX did not release that to you.   Maybe you should as least once get your facts right before you blow off and stick your foot in the mouth.

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