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Not always a Maddow fan, but I found this tweet from her to be a pretty damning summary of Pence's "deal" with Erdogan:

(1) turkey wants to push the kurds out of that part of syria. (2) trump gives ‘em the OK to invade. (3) pence brokers a “deal” in which the kurds... must get out of that part of syria. (4) the US agrees to un-sanction turkey. that’s a “deal” like being mugged is a deal.

PH

"Lady Gaga says she’s fine after she and fan fall off stage in Vegas. Several attendees caught the incident on video, which sees Gaga wrapping her legs around a concertgoer she had invited up on the stage, hopping up and down repeatedly before he loses his balance and takes a tumble, bringing Gaga down with him."

Poor Ella Fitzgerald all she had was a perfect voice. Think of how far she could have gone if she had pretended to be fucking a fan on stage.

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The Old Man posted:

"Lady Gaga says she’s fine after she and fan fall off stage in Vegas. Several attendees caught the incident on video, which sees Gaga wrapping her legs around a concertgoer she had invited up on the stage, hopping up and down repeatedly before he loses his balance and takes a tumble, bringing Gaga down with him."

Poor Ella Fitzgerald all she had was a perfect voice. Think of how far she could have gone if she had pretended to be fucking a fan on stage.

I just walked on your lawn!!  

PH

steve8 posted:

OK Bman I have to ask. You regularly post on this thread with respect to US politics, but on a recent rare topic on T&E concerning our former PM you were nowhere to be found. WTF?

It never occurred to me that anyone here would be posting about Canadian politics, much less in that forum.  Just read the thread and find it very interesting.  I'll likely post something there but want to think about it and too busy at the moment in any case (my Saturday papers aren't gonna read themselves!)

Well, well. Since the Orange Dump exposed his true nature to the world both as a candidate and then as the TV reality president, net operating income at his prized Doral Resort is down 69%. Yep, that is 69%.😂🤣

The Dumps thinking, let’s hold the G7 at Doral, and if you don’t like, just get over it. I’m also confident he is writing a personal invitation to his hero, Putin. If he isn’t, Putin will direct his faithful poodle to do so. 🙈

DC observers are saying that the due to the WH "activity" of the past couple weeks, the needle is starting to move on the Senate Republicans willingness to vote for impeachment. #MoscowMitch has gone from saying, "No way are we going to let this happen", to now informing the Senate that they can look forward to at least 6 weeks of trial, most likely during the holidays. It remains to be seen if they get can get 20 Republican senators to vote yes.

mneeley490 posted:

DC observers are saying that the due to the WH "activity" of the past couple weeks, the needle is starting to move on the Senate Republicans willingness to vote for impeachment. #MoscowMitch has gone from saying, "No way are we going to let this happen", to now informing the Senate that they can look forward to at least 6 weeks of trial, most likely during the holidays. It remains to be seen if they get can get 20 Republican senators to vote yes.

I think that next week might be fun (or not so fun) depending on your perspective on things.  There are a lot of pieces moving now, with many more to come.  The naked emperor will continue to be called out.  

PH

bomba503 posted:

The irony of MM and his beloved Yankees both on the brink of elimination today makes me smile. Both excellent 

Smiling is good.  That said, I'm hoping that the Yanks win tonight, and that game 7 goes into the 285th inning.  Don't care who we face (although I think we match up a bit better against NY), but I want whoever we face to be butt-tired and jet-lagged.

PH

bman posted:
bman posted:

Bye bye Mike, it's not been good to know you!  

Note that Mike's disgraceful post has disappeared now. Wonder how long his suspension will be this time?

Good to see yankees gone.

Remaining teams share the same stadium here.

I'm always too late,  Missed Board-o's recent post.  PM me with what he dumped out this time

flwino posted:
bman posted:
bman posted:

Bye bye Mike, it's not been good to know you!  

Note that Mike's disgraceful post has disappeared now. Wonder how long his suspension will be this time?

Good to see yankees gone.

Remaining teams share the same stadium here.

I'm always too late,  Missed Board-o's recent post.  PM me with what he dumped out this time

PM?  Can't find the link.

I'd just share the post here but then I'd be banned!

 

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I know we're all (almost all) having a jolly old time with the latest foibles of the bigot in chief. But I have to throw a little cold water in here. First, as I've said many times before: The craven Republicans will continue to be party before country and do everything to protect their bill-signer in chief.

Second, there's a whole heap of stupidity among the American electorate. 

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The Old Man posted:

I know we're all (almost all) having a jolly old time with the latest foibles of the bigot in chief. But I have to throw a little cold water in here. First, as I've said many times before: The craven Republicans will continue to be party before country and do everything to protect their bill-signer in chief.

Second, there's a whole heap of stupidity among the American electorate. 

I would add the democrats must elect a person that can compete/ carry many states in the rust belt. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio plus purple states like Virginia, Florida, Colorado and New Mexico and others will not support too left candidates or socialists platform candidates. 

The Old Man posted:

"Dennis Quaid is newly engaged! The Parent Trap actor, 65, proposed to girlfriend Laura Savoie, 26, after several months of dating, the actor confirmed to Extra in Hawaii over the weekend."

I mean how long can you really date a 26 year old before you just have to ask her to marry you?

I see why you call yourself The Old Man!  These days 26 year olds often date for years without marrying. 

wineart 2 posted:
The Old Man posted:

I know we're all (almost all) having a jolly old time with the latest foibles of the bigot in chief. But I have to throw a little cold water in here. First, as I've said many times before: The craven Republicans will continue to be party before country and do everything to protect their bill-signer in chief.

Second, there's a whole heap of stupidity among the American electorate. 

I would add the democrats must elect a person that can compete/ carry many states in the rust belt. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio plus purple states like Virginia, Florida, Colorado and New Mexico and others will not support too left candidates or socialists platform candidates. 

I totally agree with this. However, I would add that I think the bigger problem Democrats face in general — and particularly in the rust belt — is in addressing the cultural far left as opposed to the economic far left.  

While I have problems with any form of extremism or staunch ideological stances, it is far-left, often authoritarian, cultural issues that, in my estimation, cause so many to refuse to vote for Democrats.  I’m not talking about reproductive rights, or prison reform or abolition of the Death Peanalty, or same-sex marriage, or combatting climate change, or treating immigrants and refugees  (including “illegal”  immigrants) humanely and often with open arms.  Those are all basic moral/ethical issues and I think there are enough people in the rust belt open to all of them that those and issues such as those really aren’t a problem  

But instead: ‘accidental mispronunciation of a name “is violence”’ — like so many other examples of being offended; Liberals like Frank Bruni, Bari Weiss, Jonathan Haidt “are Alt-Right or Alt-Right adjacent”; shouting down speakers at colleges is acceptable; BDS and creeping acceptance of nonviolent anti-semetism; Absurdity in public education - eg. Just today in Seattle... Math classes in K-12 should incorporate ethnic studies teaching including, “Where does power and oppression show up in our math experiences?”  “Why/how does data-driven processes prevent liberation?”*  “Who gets to say if an answer is right?” Teachers should accept late work because it “refuse[s] the White Gaze.”

Obviously, even amongst most Ds, the aforementioned examples are totally absurd. But they are very real in certain parts of the country and amongst enough Leftists that (1) they should actually be addressed and, perhaps more importantly (2) they are used by Fox News and other Right-Wing media agencies to scare people— especially those in the Rust Belt whose interests otherwise coincide with the Democratic Party — into the arms of the Republican party. 

*Obviosly, grammar is not Seattle educators’ strong suit, either. 

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winetarelli posted:
wineart 2 posted:
The Old Man posted:

I know we're all (almost all) having a jolly old time with the latest foibles of the bigot in chief. But I have to throw a little cold water in here. First, as I've said many times before: The craven Republicans will continue to be party before country and do everything to protect their bill-signer in chief.

Second, there's a whole heap of stupidity among the American electorate. 

I would add the democrats must elect a person that can compete/ carry many states in the rust belt. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio plus purple states like Virginia, Florida, Colorado and New Mexico and others will not support too left candidates or socialists platform candidates. 

I totally agree with this. However, I would add that I think the bigger problem Democrats face in general — and particularly in the rust belt — is in addressing the cultural far left as opposed to the economic far left.  

While I have problems with any form of extremism or staunch ideological stances, it is far-left, often authoritarian, cultural issues that, in my estimation, cause so many to refuse to vote for Democrats.  I’m not talking about reproductive rights, or prison reform or abolition of the Death Peanalty, (sic) or same-sex marriage, or combatting (sic)  climate change, or treating immigrants and refugees  (including “illegal”  immigrants) humanely and often with open arms.  Those are all basic moral/ethical issues and I think there are enough people in the rust belt open to all of them that those and issues such as those really aren’t a problem  

But instead: ‘accidental mispronunciation of a name “is violence”’ — like so many other examples of being offended; Liberals like Frank Bruni, Bari Weiss, Jonathan Haidt “are Alt-Right or Alt-Right adjacent”; shouting down speakers at colleges is acceptable; BDS and creeping acceptance of nonviolent anti-semetism; Absurdity in public education - eg. Just today in Seattle... Math classes in K-12 should incorporate ethnic studies teaching including, “Where does power and oppression show up in our math experiences?”  “Why/how does data-driven processes prevent liberation?”*  “Who gets to say if an answer is right?” Teachers should accept late work because it “refuse[s] the White Gaze.”

Obviously, even amongst most Ds, the aforementioned examples are totally absurd. But they are very real in certain parts of the country and amongst enough Leftists that (1) they should actually be addressed and, perhaps more importantly (2) they are used by Fox News and other Right-Wing media agencies to scare people— especially those in the Rust Belt whose interests otherwise coincide with the Democratic Party — into the arms of the Republican party. 

*Obviosly, grammar is not Seattle educators’ strong suit, either. 

Hogwash. Most of this could have been written by the nauseating Trumpers at my synagogue. The president of the USA calls the legal process of a "lynching" and his sycophantic golf buddy Lindsey Graham agrees and you're worried about some stupid actions taken by a school district in WA? Get your priorities straight.

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The Old Man posted:
winetarelli posted:
wineart 2 posted:
The Old Man posted:

I know we're all (almost all) having a jolly old time with the latest foibles of the bigot in chief. But I have to throw a little cold water in here. First, as I've said many times before: The craven Republicans will continue to be party before country and do everything to protect their bill-signer in chief.

Second, there's a whole heap of stupidity among the American electorate. 

I would add the democrats must elect a person that can compete/ carry many states in the rust belt. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio plus purple states like Virginia, Florida, Colorado and New Mexico and others will not support too left candidates or socialists platform candidates. 

I totally agree with this. However, I would add that I think the bigger problem Democrats face in general — and particularly in the rust belt — is in addressing the cultural far left as opposed to the economic far left.  

While I have problems with any form of extremism or staunch ideological stances, it is far-left, often authoritarian, cultural issues that, in my estimation, cause so many to refuse to vote for Democrats.  I’m not talking about reproductive rights, or prison reform or abolition of the Death Peanalty, (sic) or same-sex marriage, or combatting (sic)  climate change, or treating immigrants and refugees  (including “illegal”  immigrants) humanely and often with open arms.  Those are all basic moral/ethical issues and I think there are enough people in the rust belt open to all of them that those and issues such as those really aren’t a problem  

But instead: ‘accidental mispronunciation of a name “is violence”’ — like so many other examples of being offended; Liberals like Frank Bruni, Bari Weiss, Jonathan Haidt “are Alt-Right or Alt-Right adjacent”; shouting down speakers at colleges is acceptable; BDS and creeping acceptance of nonviolent anti-semetism; Absurdity in public education - eg. Just today in Seattle... Math classes in K-12 should incorporate ethnic studies teaching including, “Where does power and oppression show up in our math experiences?”  “Why/how does data-driven processes prevent liberation?”*  “Who gets to say if an answer is right?” Teachers should accept late work because it “refuse[s] the White Gaze.”

Obviously, even amongst most Ds, the aforementioned examples are totally absurd. But they are very real in certain parts of the country and amongst enough Leftists that (1) they should actually be addressed and, perhaps more importantly (2) they are used by Fox News and other Right-Wing media agencies to scare people— especially those in the Rust Belt whose interests otherwise coincide with the Democratic Party — into the arms of the Republican party. 

*Obviosly, grammar is not Seattle educators’ strong suit, either. 

Hogwash. Most of this could have been written by the nauseating Trumpers at my synagogue. The president of the USA calls the legal process of a "lynching" and his sycophantic golf buddy Lindsey Graham agrees and you're worried about some stupid actions taken by a school district in WA? Get your priorities straight.

Whoa there!  I’m currently dedicating much of  my life — both time and money —to defeating Trump no matter who the D nominee is.  (Right now that means giving money to, and volunteering for Biden almost solely due to my belief that he has the best chance of beating Trump.  But come the general, I’ll be doing that for whomever the nominee is.)  That doesn’t change the fact that I have (a) some problems with people nominally on “my team” and (b) serious concerns about how people in the rust belt can be swayed to (re) vote for Trump based upon how Right Wing media reports on the excesses of some factions of the cultural far left. 

If you really couldn’t tell from me calling Trump the “malevolent cheetoh”, referencing every major politically salient point on the political D agenda as ones which I support, and implying here, and noting elsewhere, that it is only a small but vocal contingent on the “far left” that I have any personal objection to, that I am at least left-of-center and certainly in opposition to Trump under all scenarios, I think you need to take a breath.  There is no point in letting Trump turn you into a moron, too.  (In point of fact, I’m a life-long Democrat who went door-to-door for Human Rights Campaign in Ohio in the 90’s before I could even vote, in support of gay marriage; played Phil Ochs on my guitar at Kucinich rallies; spent my college summers working for the state PIRGs and the Sierra Club; worked on the Kerry campaign as my first job out of college; worked on the Obama campaign; my three major charities are the ADL, the ACLU, and Planned Parenthood; I held rallies starting a decade before the crash in opposition to minimum-balance oppression; I have marched with BLM. My Liberal and Democratic credentials are in order, let alone, my anti-Trump credentials.)

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winetarelli posted:
The Old Man posted:
winetarelli posted:
wineart 2 posted:
The Old Man posted:

I know we're all (almost all) having a jolly old time with the latest foibles of the bigot in chief. But I have to throw a little cold water in here. First, as I've said many times before: The craven Republicans will continue to be party before country and do everything to protect their bill-signer in chief.

Second, there's a whole heap of stupidity among the American electorate. 

I would add the democrats must elect a person that can compete/ carry many states in the rust belt. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio plus purple states like Virginia, Florida, Colorado and New Mexico and others will not support too left candidates or socialists platform candidates. 

I totally agree with this. However, I would add that I think the bigger problem Democrats face in general — and particularly in the rust belt — is in addressing the cultural far left as opposed to the economic far left.  

While I have problems with any form of extremism or staunch ideological stances, it is far-left, often authoritarian, cultural issues that, in my estimation, cause so many to refuse to vote for Democrats.  I’m not talking about reproductive rights, or prison reform or abolition of the Death Peanalty, (sic) or same-sex marriage, or combatting (sic)  climate change, or treating immigrants and refugees  (including “illegal”  immigrants) humanely and often with open arms.  Those are all basic moral/ethical issues and I think there are enough people in the rust belt open to all of them that those and issues such as those really aren’t a problem  

But instead: ‘accidental mispronunciation of a name “is violence”’ — like so many other examples of being offended; Liberals like Frank Bruni, Bari Weiss, Jonathan Haidt “are Alt-Right or Alt-Right adjacent”; shouting down speakers at colleges is acceptable; BDS and creeping acceptance of nonviolent anti-semetism; Absurdity in public education - eg. Just today in Seattle... Math classes in K-12 should incorporate ethnic studies teaching including, “Where does power and oppression show up in our math experiences?”  “Why/how does data-driven processes prevent liberation?”*  “Who gets to say if an answer is right?” Teachers should accept late work because it “refuse[s] the White Gaze.”

Obviously, even amongst most Ds, the aforementioned examples are totally absurd. But they are very real in certain parts of the country and amongst enough Leftists that (1) they should actually be addressed and, perhaps more importantly (2) they are used by Fox News and other Right-Wing media agencies to scare people— especially those in the Rust Belt whose interests otherwise coincide with the Democratic Party — into the arms of the Republican party. 

*Obviosly, grammar is not Seattle educators’ strong suit, either. 

Hogwash. Most of this could have been written by the nauseating Trumpers at my synagogue. The president of the USA calls the legal process of a "lynching" and his sycophantic golf buddy Lindsey Graham agrees and you're worried about some stupid actions taken by a school district in WA? Get your priorities straight.

Whoa there!  I’m currently dedicating much of  my life — both time and money —to defeating Trump no matter who the D nominee is.  (Right now that means giving money to, and volunteering for Biden almost solely due to my belief that he has the best chance of beating Trump.  But come the general, I’ll be doing that for whomever the nominee is.)  That doesn’t change the fact that I have (a) some problems with people nominally on “my team” and (b) serious concerns about how people in the rust belt can be swayed to (re) vote for Trump based upon how Right Wing media reports on the excesses of some factions of the cultural far left. 

If you really couldn’t tell from me calling Trump the “malevolent cheetoh”, referencing every major politically salient point on the political D agenda as ones which I support, and implying here, and noting elsewhere, that it is only a small but vocal contingent on the “far left” that I have any personal objection to, that I am at least left-of-center and certainly in opposition to Trump under all scenarios, I think you need to take a breath.  There is no point in letting Trump turn you into a moron, too.  (In point of fact, I’m a life-long Democrat who went door-to-door for Human Rights Campaign in Ohio in the 90’s before I could even vote, in support of gay marriage; played Phil Ochs on my guitar at Kucinich rallies; spent my college summers working for the state PIRGs and the Sierra Club; worked on the Kerry campaign as my first job out of college; worked on the Obama campaign; my three major charities are the ADL, the ACLU, and Planned Parenthood; I held rallies starting a decade before the crash in opposition to minimum-balance oppression; I have marched with BLM. My Liberal and Democratic credentials are in order, let alone, my anti-Trump credentials.)

OK, but it sure read like you're lapping up Fox New's talking points. Maybe you should reread what your wrote. FWIW your past actions having nothing to do with my point here--it was what you said, not what you've done in the past that I was addressing--and a load of it was horse manure.

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