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thistlintom posted:

College is getting ridiculously expensive.  It seems there are more and more bureaucrats in the schools causing enormous overheads and resulting in outlandish tuition costs.  You have staffs overseeing diversity, safe spaces and many other issues that really have nothing to do with getting an education.  There should be a concerted effort by schools to reduce the university costs and tuition.

We should also work on providing more avenues for people not interested in college, such as vocational schools.  Not everyone needs to go to college or should go to college.

Those high tuition costs are needed to pay coaching salaries. Don’t rock the boat! J/k - football fans save your rant about the revenue they generate. 

Agree with vocational training. I work in manufacturing and we have a really tough time finding younger, skilled machinists. I’ve been in procurement over 20 years and don’t have a 4 year degree. 

thistlintom posted:

Report that Americans, especially younger ones, are stressed.  Maybe we have done a poor job of raising children and allowing them to deal with issues and conflicts as they grow up.  Overprotection does not enable children to grow up and deal with problems they are eventually going to have to deal with properly.

The Coddling of the American Mind. Greg Lukainoff and Jonathon Haidt. 

I've recently taken the position that if politicians truly want to help educate our young people they'd pay a portion of college education via grants (not all of it like many Democratic candidates for president are promoting) and if young people want to go to a vocational school they'd pay 100% of that.  We desperately need as many trade skill workers that we can get.  Not so much yet another I.T. weenie like myself.  My two cents worth.

winetarelli posted:
thistlintom posted:

Report that Americans, especially younger ones, are stressed.  Maybe we have done a poor job of raising children and allowing them to deal with issues and conflicts as they grow up.  Overprotection does not enable children to grow up and deal with problems they are eventually going to have to deal with properly.

The Coddling of the American Mind. Greg Lukainoff and Jonathon Haidt. 

I read The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt and thought it was excellent.  He also believes that kids do not have enough free time to play, which helps in their development

wineismylife posted:

I've recently taken the position that if politicians truly want to help educate our young people they'd pay a portion of college education via grants (not all of it like many Democratic candidates for president are promoting) and if young people want to go to a vocational school they'd pay 100% of that.  We desperately need as many trade skill workers that we can get.  Not so much yet another I.T. weenie like myself.  My two cents worth.

Our high school provided a vocational path for those who did not want to go to college.  It was part of a group of high schools that had a vocational ed campus.  I don’t know if it is still offered.

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one of the problems with the free college thing is that it doesn' t make sense (to me) to give free college tuition to rich kids with rich parents.  Another reason is that it makes some sense to give assistance to kids who wish to study things like computer science, engineering, and various other technical things, during periods when our society needs people trained in these areas, while it makes less sense to pay for free education for kids who wish to study medieval English literature, or some other subject that seems less useful.

Not sure who decides what is more useful or less useful. 

irwin posted:

Not sure where to post this.....  Anyway, a professional group to which I belong (lawyers) is having a dinner meeting on May 11.  The guest speaker is Rod Rosenstein, in the evening after he leaves the Justice department.

What question would you ask him?

Why did you quit, disgust, politics, or seeking personal freedom?

flwino posted:
irwin posted:

Not sure where to post this.....  Anyway, a professional group to which I belong (lawyers) is having a dinner meeting on May 11.  The guest speaker is Rod Rosenstein, in the evening after he leaves the Justice department.

What question would you ask him?

Why did you quit, disgust, politics, or seeking personal freedom?

Why not ask him if he intends to run for political office, or take a job in any organization linked to any political party, at any time in the future.

Not the questions I'd REALLY like to ask him, but he wouldn't answer any of those questions!

Question...Are any of my Democrat friends embarrassed for your party after the Barr testimony the other day.  How can Blumenthal ask those questions with a straight face. And Hirono...Wow.  She should be sued for Slander.     What is it like to be a puppet for CNN and MSNBC.  SAD!

Everything is unraveling. This should be an interesting few months.  

napacat posted:

Question...Are any of my Democrat friends embarrassed for your party after the Barr testimony the other day.  How can Blumenthal ask those questions with a straight face. And Hirono...Wow.  She should be sued for Slander.     What is it like to be a puppet for CNN and MSNBC.  SAD!

Everything is unraveling. This should be an interesting few months.  

First there's no such thing as the "Democrat" party no matter how many times Fox State News says so and second,you're kidding right? Is it "Slander" when you call a liar a liar? My own favorite was when asked if the racist-in-chief asked him to go the president's enemies and he sat there twisting in his chair struggling to answer. Every other AG since Nixon's would be able to answer this question with a simple "no."

I've already discovered, in a previous exchange with you, that you're a fucking joke when it comes to clear, rational thinking and arguing so I will not engage with you further on this topic.

And exactly how does big Mr. America First get on a phone call to the dictator of Russia and not discuss his meddling in our elections and tell him to knock it off?

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The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:

Question...Are any of my Democrat friends embarrassed for your party after the Barr testimony the other day.  How can Blumenthal ask those questions with a straight face. And Hirono...Wow.  She should be sued for Slander.     What is it like to be a puppet for CNN and MSNBC.  SAD!

Everything is unraveling. This should be an interesting few months.  

First there's no such thing as the "Democrat" party no matter how many times Fox State News says so and second,you're kidding right? Is it "Slander" when you call a liar a liar? My own favorite was when asked if the racist-in-chief asked him to go the president's enemies and he sat there twisting in his chair struggling to answer. Every other AG since Nixon's would be able to answer this question with a simple "no."

I've already discovered, in a previous exchange with you, that you're a fucking joke when it comes to clear, rational thinking and arguing so I will not engage with you further on this topic.

And exactly how does big Mr. America First get on a phone call to the dictator of Russia and not discuss his meddling in our elections and tell him to knock it off?

Of course they asked to look into it further.  The entire scam was a set-up.  It will come out.  Hillary should be in jail without a doubt! 

 

Barr was simply outstanding! Just letting the Dems make fools of themselves was quite fun.  Wish he would have went to the House committee and have done the same.  Pay attention...the President cannot be guilty of Obstruction of Justice when the original charge was false and erroneous.  

Regarding the phone call...he should be as forceful as Obama right and say “ you stop meddling”!  Great job the last President did.  I’m with Board-O Obama was the worst.  That sir was a joke of a President. 

 

napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:

Question...Are any of my Democrat friends embarrassed for your party after the Barr testimony the other day.  How can Blumenthal ask those questions with a straight face. And Hirono...Wow.  She should be sued for Slander.     What is it like to be a puppet for CNN and MSNBC.  SAD!

Everything is unraveling. This should be an interesting few months.  

First there's no such thing as the "Democrat" party no matter how many times Fox State News says so and second,you're kidding right? Is it "Slander" when you call a liar a liar? My own favorite was when asked if the racist-in-chief asked him to go the president's enemies and he sat there twisting in his chair struggling to answer. Every other AG since Nixon's would be able to answer this question with a simple "no."

I've already discovered, in a previous exchange with you, that you're a fucking joke when it comes to clear, rational thinking and arguing so I will not engage with you further on this topic.

And exactly how does big Mr. America First get on a phone call to the dictator of Russia and not discuss his meddling in our elections and tell him to knock it off?

Of course they asked to look into it further.  The entire scam was a set-up.  It will come out.  Hillary should be in jail without a doubt! 

 

Barr was simply outstanding! Just letting the Dems make fools of themselves was quite fun.  Wish he would have went to the House committee and have done the same.  Pay attention...the President cannot be guilty of Obstruction of Justice when the original charge was false and erroneous.  

Regarding the phone call...he should be as forceful as Obama right and say “ you stop meddling”!  Great job the last President did.  I’m with Board-O Obama was the worst.  That sir was a joke of a President. 

 

I wonder why the Trumpanzees only post here when they're drunk...... 

thistlintom posted:

Clinton and Abrams claiming their elections were stolen or rigged.  Get over it, you lost.  

So Russian interference in the election, specifically in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin - which Trump won by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes respectively, made no difference?

And the fact that Abrams' opponent was in charge of the election, resulting in voter purges, registration applications put on hold until it was too late, election day issues almost exclusively in non-white polls, elimination of polls in non-white districts, etc. had no impact there either, when Kemp won by 1.4%?

So were their elections rigged or stolen?  I think there is a good case to be made that they were.  That said, yes, they do need to get over it...

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We have propped up dictators (Diem, the Shah, Pinochet); We have tried to overthrow foreign leaders (Noriega, Fidel Castro); We have promoted "regime change" (Assad, Hussein).  We have also tried to influence democratic elections on many occasions-- Obama tried to help Ehud Barak in his anti-Netanyahu efforts, and Trump has tried to help Netanyahu.... Some with aid, some with electioneering.  There are many other examples.  This seems to be a common element of American Foreign policy, regardless of whether the occupant of the White House is a Democrat or a Republican.

So, why are we so upset that the Russians were trying to do the same thing?

irwin posted:

We have propped up dictators (Diem, the Shah, Pinochet); We have tried to overthrow foreign leaders (Noriega, Fidel Castro); We have promoted "regime change" (Assad, Hussein).  We have also tried to influence democratic elections on many occasions-- Obama tried to help Ehud Barak in his anti-Netanyahu efforts, and Trump has tried to help Netanyahu.... Some with aid, some with electioneering.  There are many other examples.  This seems to be a common element of American Foreign policy, regardless of whether the occupant of the White House is a Democrat or a Republican.

So, why are we so upset that the Russians were trying to do the same thing?

Irwin, I don’t think the question has ever been about being ‘ upset.’ The issue has always been about ignoring and not taking aggressive actions to prevent it in the future. Period.

The clinically ill president knows it benefited him. He knows that there were 10M more people that didn’t vote for him than did vote for him. He knows he won the election by capturing a razor thin margin in specific states where the interference was also targeted by having generational democrats vote republican. He also knows he needs the same interference again in 2020 as his base is not going to grow. Research the last time an incumbent lost 40 seats in the house. 40 seats!

Putin’s poodle per his own current chief of staff says you can’t even bring the subject up as the poodle will throw a temper tantrum, so clearly aggressive actions will not be taken. 

wineart 2 posted:
irwin posted:

We have propped up dictators (Diem, the Shah, Pinochet); We have tried to overthrow foreign leaders (Noriega, Fidel Castro); We have promoted "regime change" (Assad, Hussein).  We have also tried to influence democratic elections on many occasions-- Obama tried to help Ehud Barak in his anti-Netanyahu efforts, and Trump has tried to help Netanyahu.... Some with aid, some with electioneering.  There are many other examples.  This seems to be a common element of American Foreign policy, regardless of whether the occupant of the White House is a Democrat or a Republican.

So, why are we so upset that the Russians were trying to do the same thing?

" Research the last time an incumbent lost 40 seats in the house. 40 seats!"

In 2010, the party in power (the Dems) lost 63 seats.

irwin posted:
wineart 2 posted:
irwin posted:

We have propped up dictators (Diem, the Shah, Pinochet); We have tried to overthrow foreign leaders (Noriega, Fidel Castro); We have promoted "regime change" (Assad, Hussein).  We have also tried to influence democratic elections on many occasions-- Obama tried to help Ehud Barak in his anti-Netanyahu efforts, and Trump has tried to help Netanyahu.... Some with aid, some with electioneering.  There are many other examples.  This seems to be a common element of American Foreign policy, regardless of whether the occupant of the White House is a Democrat or a Republican.

So, why are we so upset that the Russians were trying to do the same thing?

" Research the last time an incumbent lost 40 seats in the house. 40 seats!"

In 2010, the party in power (the Dems) lost 63 seats.

Irwin, my bad. I meant under republican administration. Only 2 worse since the Great Depression. 

irwin posted:

We have propped up dictators (Diem, the Shah, Pinochet); We have tried to overthrow foreign leaders (Noriega, Fidel Castro); We have promoted "regime change" (Assad, Hussein).  We have also tried to influence democratic elections on many occasions-- Obama tried to help Ehud Barak in his anti-Netanyahu efforts, and Trump has tried to help Netanyahu.... Some with aid, some with electioneering.  There are many other examples.  This seems to be a common element of American Foreign policy, regardless of whether the occupant of the White House is a Democrat or a Republican.

So, why are we so upset that the Russians were trying to do the same thing?

Wow, just wow. How do you know about those horrible things the US did? Because of our freedom of the press (something the demagogue in chief would like to destroy) and some people doing the right thing. When did Russia ever admit to any of the horrible things they've done? Never. All governments do, and have done, awful things, but at least in the US it eventually gets out and even has a place in the history books.

Whataboutism at its worst.

ANNAPOLIS, MD— Governor Larry Hogan, chairman of the Chesapeake Executive Council, announced that the results of the 2019 Blue Crab Winter Dredge Survey showed that the Bay-wide blue crab population increased 60%  from last year, to an estimated total population of 594 million crabs. The Chesapeake bay is approximately 200 miles long, stretching from Havre de Grace, Maryland, to Norfolk, Virginia; has an average depth of 21 feet (the deepest part of the Bay, a.k.a. "The Hole," is 174 feet deep and located off of Bloody Point, southeast of Annapolis, Maryland; ranges from 3.4 to 35 miles wide;
 
According to the Census Bureau, the population of humans in the US is now about 328 million. The US is a lot bigger than the Chesapeake Bay, but not as deep.
 

For the record, the final vote was 65,844,954 for Clinton; 62,979,879 for Trump. Difference of 2.9 million. Not quite the 10 million as stated by Wineart2. Many have postulated that African-Americans and women did not show up to vote for Clinton as they did for Obama.

I think that we all hope for better candidates from both parties in coming elections.

arsenal4ever posted:

For the record, the final vote was 65,844,954 for Clinton; 62,979,879 for Trump. Difference of 2.9 million. Not quite the 10 million as stated by Wineart2. Many have postulated that African-Americans and women did not show up to vote for Clinton as they did for Obama.

I think that we all hope for better candidates from both parties in coming elections.

And not another racist, bigoted, sexist, know-nothing demagogue from the Trumpublican party.

The Old Man posted:
arsenal4ever posted:

For the record, the final vote was 65,844,954 for Clinton; 62,979,879 for Trump. Difference of 2.9 million. Not quite the 10 million as stated by Wineart2. Many have postulated that African-Americans and women did not show up to vote for Clinton as they did for Obama.

I think that we all hope for better candidates from both parties in coming elections.

And not another racist, bigoted, sexist, know-nothing demagogue from the Trumpublican party.

Umm, for the record, There were 72, 519,874 votes against Trump. 

Many people could not vote for either Trump or Clinton. 

irwin posted:
ANNAPOLIS, MD— Governor Larry Hogan, chairman of the Chesapeake Executive Council, announced that the results of the 2019 Blue Crab Winter Dredge Survey showed that the Bay-wide blue crab population increased 60%  from last year, to an estimated total population of 594 million crabs. The Chesapeake bay is approximately 200 miles long, stretching from Havre de Grace, Maryland, to Norfolk, Virginia; has an average depth of 21 feet (the deepest part of the Bay, a.k.a. "The Hole," is 174 feet deep and located off of Bloody Point, southeast of Annapolis, Maryland; ranges from 3.4 to 35 miles wide;
 
According to the Census Bureau, the population of humans in the US is now about 328 million. The US is a lot bigger than the Chesapeake Bay, but not as deep.
 

Really great news for those of us who love the Bay.  As an aside, the current WH occupant has proposed a 90% cut to the federal contribution the the Chesapeake Bay Program for 2020.  

PH

irwin posted:
...the deepest part of the Bay, a.k.a. "The Hole," is 174 feet deep and located off of Bloody Point, southeast of Annapolis, Maryland; ranges from 3.4 to 35 miles wide;
 The US is a lot bigger than the Chesapeake Bay, but not as deep.
 

It's actually "deeper."  The lowest point in the US is Badwater Basin, in Death Valley.  282 feet below sea level!  BAM.  

PH

wineart 2 posted:
The Old Man posted:
arsenal4ever posted:

For the record, the final vote was 65,844,954 for Clinton; 62,979,879 for Trump. Difference of 2.9 million. Not quite the 10 million as stated by Wineart2. Many have postulated that African-Americans and women did not show up to vote for Clinton as they did for Obama.

I think that we all hope for better candidates from both parties in coming elections.

And not another racist, bigoted, sexist, know-nothing demagogue from the Trumpublican party.

Umm, for the record, There were 72, 519,874 votes against Trump. 

Many people could not vote for either Trump or Clinton. 

I'm not sure how that's a response to my post, but OK I guess.

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