Commentator on Fox News:

"I honestly don't think the rest of the country outside of the swamp, and the partisans really care about the Mueller Report. They care about the brackets for the NCAA, they care about Spring vacation, they care about what's on Netflix..."

Nice try.

bman posted:

"“It’s deplorable what he said,” Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, said in an interview with Atlanta-based Georgia Public Broadcasting earlier Wednesday, referring to previous Trump attacks on McCain. “It will be deplorable seven months from now, if he says it again, and I will continue to speak out. . . . We should never reduce the service that people give to this country, including the offering of their own life.”"

Even senior Republicans vulnerable to primary challenges are appalled by Trump's repeated attacks on a revered dead war hero who refused to be rescued from the Hanoi Hilton if his colleagues had to stay, while Trump's bone spurs kept him safe and warm in his little bed in New York.

Wondering if Trump's apologists here have any thoughts on their hero's repeated abuse over several days of McCain?  Napa?  mikemann?  Anyone else?  Or does the damage he is doing to your country, which you apparently support, justify anything he says?

Ok...I’ll bite.  Would have been much wiser to keep his mouth shut.  That said...he does not like McCain ar all...and the fact that MCCain peddled the fake dossier probably pissed him off more.  He does not have to like him because he was a war hero...but some things are better left unsaid.

Now...no collusion from anyone within the campaign (previous indictments show that) and according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction.  Total BS from the get go...let’s get to the real people behind this sham.

napacat posted:
bman posted:

"“It’s deplorable what he said,” Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, said in an interview with Atlanta-based Georgia Public Broadcasting earlier Wednesday, referring to previous Trump attacks on McCain. “It will be deplorable seven months from now, if he says it again, and I will continue to speak out. . . . We should never reduce the service that people give to this country, including the offering of their own life.”"

Even senior Republicans vulnerable to primary challenges are appalled by Trump's repeated attacks on a revered dead war hero who refused to be rescued from the Hanoi Hilton if his colleagues had to stay, while Trump's bone spurs kept him safe and warm in his little bed in New York.

Wondering if Trump's apologists here have any thoughts on their hero's repeated abuse over several days of McCain?  Napa?  mikemann?  Anyone else?  Or does the damage he is doing to your country, which you apparently support, justify anything he says?

Ok...I’ll bite.  Would have been much wiser to keep his mouth shut.  That said...he does not like McCain ar all...and the fact that MCCain peddled the fake dossier probably pissed him off more.  He does not have to like him because he was a war hero...but some things are better left unsaid.

Now...no collusion from anyone within the campaign (previous indictments show that) and according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction.  Total BS from the get go...let’s get to the real people behind this sham.

My point was just about Trump's despicable attack on McCain, but since you raised the Mueller report, I'll get to that in a minute.  Meanwhile, you made a factual error in saying that McCain "peddled"  the dossier in question.  Here is what actually happened, according to the Arizona AG (a Republican):  "He got the information and he read it and it's pretty explosive. He immediately delivered it to the FBI and said this is for you all to deal with. That's what a statesman does. That's what a good American does. And that's what John McCain did. "  No "peddling" involved.  He received a document worthy of investigation by law enforcement on its merits and did the right thing with it.

As for the Mueller report, you made another factual error, Napa.  You said there was no obstruction but that's not what the report said:  

""Mr. Barr also said that Mr. Mueller’s team drew no conclusions about whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed justice. Mr. Barr and the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, determined that the special counsel’s investigators lacked sufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Trump committed that offense, but added that Mr. Mueller’s team stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.

“While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Mr. Barr quoted Mr. Mueller as writing.""

It's pretty obvious to everyone Napa, from the terminology you use above, that you take your so-called "facts" from Fox, or perhaps Breitbart and other right-wing Trump sycophants rather than from credible objective sources.  You may wish to check out reporting from the BBC, CBC or another foreign source that is not in the camp of either side of the American political divide.

Finally, how is something that has led the conviction of several of Trump's top campaign people, and dozens of Russians, BS or a sham?  Any patriotic American would be pleased to see these attacks on democracy and criminals exposed.  Which says a lot about your hero Trump!

The Mueller report will be hashed over and hashed over.  The Dems will complain and the Republicans will praise.  This is all sideshow.

The real issue is the destruction of our relationships with our allies, the tariff wars, the increasing federal deficit.  "It's the economy, stupid."

irwin posted:

The Mueller report will be hashed over and hashed over.  The Dems will complain and the Republicans will praise.  This is all sideshow.

The real issue is the destruction of our relationships with our allies, the tariff wars, the increasing federal deficit.  "It's the economy, stupid."

Right to the point and summary.   Our diplomacy sucks.  So many mad at us, and many countries do not even have ambassadors.  Not that many folks that belong to Mar-A-Lago

bman posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:

"“It’s deplorable what he said,” Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, said in an interview with Atlanta-based Georgia Public Broadcasting earlier Wednesday, referring to previous Trump attacks on McCain. “It will be deplorable seven months from now, if he says it again, and I will continue to speak out. . . . We should never reduce the service that people give to this country, including the offering of their own life.”"

Even senior Republicans vulnerable to primary challenges are appalled by Trump's repeated attacks on a revered dead war hero who refused to be rescued from the Hanoi Hilton if his colleagues had to stay, while Trump's bone spurs kept him safe and warm in his little bed in New York.

Wondering if Trump's apologists here have any thoughts on their hero's repeated abuse over several days of McCain?  Napa?  mikemann?  Anyone else?  Or does the damage he is doing to your country, which you apparently support, justify anything he says?

Ok...I’ll bite.  Would have been much wiser to keep his mouth shut.  That said...he does not like McCain ar all...and the fact that MCCain peddled the fake dossier probably pissed him off more.  He does not have to like him because he was a war hero...but some things are better left unsaid.

Now...no collusion from anyone within the campaign (previous indictments show that) and according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction.  Total BS from the get go...let’s get to the real people behind this sham.

My point was just about Trump's despicable attack on McCain, but since you raised the Mueller report, I'll get to that in a minute.  Meanwhile, you made a factual error in saying that McCain "peddled"  the dossier in question.  Here is what actually happened, according to the Arizona AG (a Republican):  "He got the information and he read it and it's pretty explosive. He immediately delivered it to the FBI and said this is for you all to deal with. That's what a statesman does. That's what a good American does. And that's what John McCain did. "  No "peddling" involved.  He received a document worthy of investigation by law enforcement on its merits and did the right thing with it.

As for the Mueller report, you made another factual error, Napa.  You said there was no obstruction but that's not what the report said:  

""Mr. Barr also said that Mr. Mueller’s team drew no conclusions about whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed justice. Mr. Barr and the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, determined that the special counsel’s investigators lacked sufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Trump committed that offense, but added that Mr. Mueller’s team stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.

“While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Mr. Barr quoted Mr. Mueller as writing.""

It's pretty obvious to everyone Napa, from the terminology you use above, that you take your so-called "facts" from Fox, or perhaps Breitbart and other right-wing Trump sycophants rather than from credible objective sources.  You may wish to check out reporting from the BBC, CBC or another foreign source that is not in the camp of either side of the American political divide.

Finally, how is something that has led the conviction of several of Trump's top campaign people, and dozens of Russians, BS or a sham?  Any patriotic American would be pleased to see these attacks on democracy and criminals exposed.  Which says a lot about your hero Trump!

Bman, there are a lot of things wrong with your post.  Peddling may have been the wrong word...but I don't think McCain had the document first.  It was a bunch of unsubstantiated drivel and was purely fake.  That document did not warrant investigation by law enforcement if they would have done any research and saw where it derived from, they would have disregarded it.

Correct that the Mueller report did not absolve of obstruction...however, if you read my post...I stated that the AG and Deputy AG concluded there was not enough information for a charge on obstruction.  

Lastly, your statement that this investigation led to the conviction of several of Trump's top campaign people...none of the convictions had anything to do with Russian collusion. Don't mislead...a complete farce. 

Mueller was acting as a prosecutor and did not come up with evidence of collusion with the Russians.  Will the Democrats stop their "investigations" or will they continue on attacking the President on this issue after two years of investigations?  I think we have had enough of this and it should stop.  Get on with the business of the country.

thistlintom posted:

Mueller was acting as a prosecutor and did not come up with evidence of collusion with the Russians.  Will the Democrats stop their "investigations" or will they continue on attacking the President on this issue after two years of investigations?  I think we have had enough of this and it should stop.  Get on with the business of the country.

Well said...

napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:
 

 according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction.  

My point was just about Trump's despicable attack on McCain, but since you raised the Mueller report, I'll get to that in a minute.  Meanwhile, you made a factual error in saying that McCain "peddled"  the dossier in question.  Here is what actually happened, according to the Arizona AG (a Republican):  "He got the information and he read it and it's pretty explosive. He immediately delivered it to the FBI and said this is for you all to deal with. That's what a statesman does. That's what a good American does. And that's what John McCain did. "  No "peddling" involved.  He received a document worthy of investigation by law enforcement on its merits and did the right thing with it.

As for the Mueller report, you made another factual error, Napa.  You said there was no obstruction but that's not what the report said:  

""Mr. Barr also said that Mr. Mueller’s team drew no conclusions about whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed justice. Mr. Barr and the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, determined that the special counsel’s investigators lacked sufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Trump committed that offense, but added that Mr. Mueller’s team stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.

“While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Mr. Barr quoted Mr. Mueller as writing.""

It's pretty obvious to everyone Napa, from the terminology you use above, that you take your so-called "facts" from Fox, or perhaps Breitbart and other right-wing Trump sycophants rather than from credible objective sources.  You may wish to check out reporting from the BBC, CBC or another foreign source that is not in the camp of either side of the American political divide.

Finally, how is something that has led the conviction of several of Trump's top campaign people, and dozens of Russians, BS or a sham?  Any patriotic American would be pleased to see these attacks on democracy and criminals exposed.  Which says a lot about your hero Trump!

Bman, there are a lot of things wrong with your post.  Peddling may have been the wrong word...but I don't think McCain had the document first.  It was a bunch of unsubstantiated drivel and was purely fake.  That document did not warrant investigation by law enforcement if they would have done any research and saw where it derived from, they would have disregarded it.

Correct that the Mueller report did not absolve of obstruction...however, if you read my post...I stated that the AG and Deputy AG concluded there was not enough information for a charge on obstruction.  

Lastly, your statement that this investigation led to the conviction of several of Trump's top campaign people...none of the convictions had anything to do with Russian collusion. Don't mislead...a complete farce. 

Napa, you can't even read your own words?    You said; "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction" and now you deny saying it? It's right there for God's sake!  Have some intellectual integrity please!

As for the document, if it was fake the only way to know would be an investigation by law enforcement.  The information was assembled by a credible source (a former intelligence official if I recall correctly) whatever Fox news says, and included allegations that any law enforcement agency would feel it necessary to investigate.

As for your last statement above, wrong again.  Several were convicted for lying to Congress and/or law enforcement, and it seems pretty clear that those lies pertained to Russian collusion.  Why would they have lied if they didn't?  

In any case, the Mueller investigation is anything but a farce.  Even if it had revealed nothing it was necessary given the events that led to its creation.  Again, try watching other news sources to get a balanced view of things.  I don't get Fox news here in Canada (I could, but won't pay for the, umm, "privilege") but I do check out their website and Breitbart's too, from time to time.  I suggest you do the same with BBC or CBC or The Economist or some other objective source.  

GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham said Monday that he told the late Sen. John McCain to turn over the dossier of Trump-Russia allegations to the FBI, pushing back against President Donald Trump's assertions that the Arizona Republican helped fan the flames of the Russia investigation.

thistlintom posted:
billhike posted:
Rayacerebros posted:

Whats de best wine in the the world?

Meiomi.

Yellow Tail makes the very best.

Apparently so as a few years ago the majority preferred drinking yellowtail reserve with yours truly over la tache with he who shall not be named

bomba503 posted:
thistlintom posted:
billhike posted:
Rayacerebros posted:

Whats de best wine in the the world?

Meiomi.

Yellow Tail makes the very best.

Apparently so as a few years ago the majority preferred drinking yellowtail reserve with yours truly over la tache with he who shall not be named

You drank la Tache with Voldemort?    Cool!  

bman posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:
 

 according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction.  

My point was just about Trump's despicable attack on McCain, but since you raised the Mueller report, I'll get to that in a minute.  Meanwhile, you made a factual error in saying that McCain "peddled"  the dossier in question.  Here is what actually happened, according to the Arizona AG (a Republican):  "He got the information and he read it and it's pretty explosive. He immediately delivered it to the FBI and said this is for you all to deal with. That's what a statesman does. That's what a good American does. And that's what John McCain did. "  No "peddling" involved.  He received a document worthy of investigation by law enforcement on its merits and did the right thing with it.

As for the Mueller report, you made another factual error, Napa.  You said there was no obstruction but that's not what the report said:  

""Mr. Barr also said that Mr. Mueller’s team drew no conclusions about whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed justice. Mr. Barr and the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, determined that the special counsel’s investigators lacked sufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Trump committed that offense, but added that Mr. Mueller’s team stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.

“While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Mr. Barr quoted Mr. Mueller as writing.""

It's pretty obvious to everyone Napa, from the terminology you use above, that you take your so-called "facts" from Fox, or perhaps Breitbart and other right-wing Trump sycophants rather than from credible objective sources.  You may wish to check out reporting from the BBC, CBC or another foreign source that is not in the camp of either side of the American political divide.

Finally, how is something that has led the conviction of several of Trump's top campaign people, and dozens of Russians, BS or a sham?  Any patriotic American would be pleased to see these attacks on democracy and criminals exposed.  Which says a lot about your hero Trump!

Bman, there are a lot of things wrong with your post.  Peddling may have been the wrong word...but I don't think McCain had the document first.  It was a bunch of unsubstantiated drivel and was purely fake.  That document did not warrant investigation by law enforcement if they would have done any research and saw where it derived from, they would have disregarded it.

Correct that the Mueller report did not absolve of obstruction...however, if you read my post...I stated that the AG and Deputy AG concluded there was not enough information for a charge on obstruction.  

Lastly, your statement that this investigation led to the conviction of several of Trump's top campaign people...none of the convictions had anything to do with Russian collusion. Don't mislead...a complete farce. 

Napa, you can't even read your own words?    You said; "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction" and now you deny saying it? It's right there for God's sake!  Have some intellectual integrity please!

As for the document, if it was fake the only way to know would be an investigation by law enforcement.  The information was assembled by a credible source (a former intelligence official if I recall correctly) whatever Fox news says, and included allegations that any law enforcement agency would feel it necessary to investigate.

As for your last statement above, wrong again.  Several were convicted for lying to Congress and/or law enforcement, and it seems pretty clear that those lies pertained to Russian collusion.  Why would they have lied if they didn't?  

In any case, the Mueller investigation is anything but a farce.  Even if it had revealed nothing it was necessary given the events that led to its creation.  Again, try watching other news sources to get a balanced view of things.  I don't get Fox news here in Canada (I could, but won't pay for the, umm, "privilege") but I do check out their website and Breitbart's too, from time to time.  I suggest you do the same with BBC or CBC or The Economist or some other objective source.  

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

I do watch Fox among other sources.  Would you recommend that I get the majority of news from a lying media that reports 90 - 95% negative stories on Trump.  How wrong were they on this.  They actually were not wrong...they knew there was no collusion...they were just promoting a lie.  BBC is fine the others are not journalists.   Never seen Breitbart once.


You Democrats (not you specifically) are an odd bunch.  Can't wait for the real facts to come out about this...and hopefully jail time for many.  Just look at what they tried to do to Justice Kavanaugh.  That will show they have zero morals.  Look at Smollett and Avenatti.  Great guys.  

napacat posted

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

You said; "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

napacat posted:
 

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

 

Again, your own words:  "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

And the fact that Mueller did not make a recommendation on obstruction does not mean that it didn't happen, just that they thought there was not enough evidence to get a conviction.  It's clear from the subsequent reporting that they agonized over the decision over months and months. Notable that it took Barr only a few hours to reach his conclusion.  Also notable that Trump appointed Barr, someone who was on record as agreeing with Trump that the investigation was unwarranted.

Bottom line is that the full report needs to be seen by the world so that context can be applied.  

Also important to see the results of investigations by the Southern District of NY and other prosecutors.  And whatever the results of these investigations, they don't change the fact that Trump is manifestly unfit to the President for dozens of reasons.  Here's just one, on which he scores 9 out of 9, Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.

4 Needing constant admiration from others.

5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.

6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.

7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.

8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.

9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor

I want a new drug, one that won't make me sick
One that won't make me crash my car
Or make me feel feet, feet, feet thick
I want a new drug, one that won't hurt my head
One that won't make my mouth too dry
Or make my eyes too red
One that won't make me nervous
Wonderin' what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when I'm with you
irwin posted:
bman posted:

I learned something important on last week:  sheep can only wag their tails sideways while goats can wag their tails sideways and up and down.

Is this in both the Northern Hemisphere and the Southern Hemisphere?

They can only wag them clockwise in the south, and counter-clockwise in the north

bman posted:
napacat posted

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

You said; "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

napacat posted:
 

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

 

Again, your own words:  "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

And the fact that Mueller did not make a recommendation on obstruction does not mean that it didn't happen, just that they thought there was not enough evidence to get a conviction.  It's clear from the subsequent reporting that they agonized over the decision over months and months. Notable that it took Barr only a few hours to reach his conclusion.  Also notable that Trump appointed Barr, someone who was on record as agreeing with Trump that the investigation was unwarranted.

Bottom line is that the full report needs to be seen by the world so that context can be applied.  

Also important to see the results of investigations by the Southern District of NY and other prosecutors.  And whatever the results of these investigations, they don't change the fact that Trump is manifestly unfit to the President for dozens of reasons.  Here's just one, on which he scores 9 out of 9, Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.

4 Needing constant admiration from others.

5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.

6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.

7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.

8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.

9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor

What are the characteristics of people with TDS?

thistlintom posted:
bman posted:
 

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.

4 Needing constant admiration from others.

5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.

6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.

7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.

8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.

9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor

What are the characteristics of people with TDS?

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or "DSM", refereed to above, they are listed above. 

Not a list compiled by democrats or Trump-haters, it's the American Psychiatric Association's principal authority for psychiatric diagnosis. 

Aside from number 8, perhaps, Trump seems to be a case study!

 

 

Oh, Trump certainly has his issues, no doubt about that.  But the way some people have acted since he got elected, shows that they have issues too. There is a lot of mourning from many since the report has come out, obviously deeply disappointed that he did not collude with Russia when they should be glad that something like this did not happen.

thistlintom posted:

Oh, Trump certainly has his issues, no doubt about that.  But the way some people have acted since he got elected, shows that they have issues too. There is a lot of mourning from many since the report has come out, obviously deeply disappointed that he did not collude with Russia when they should be glad that something like this did not happen.

I for one am glad that neither he nor his campaign were found to collude with Russia.  But that doesn't mean that Trump's not utterly unfit to be President, and not just because of his obvious mental health issues, though those would appear to be the cause of his unfitness. 

Nor do I think the 4 page summary presented by his new AG (on record as considering the investigation bogus, in his 19 page unsolicited memo on the matter) should be the last word.  Those parts of the report which can legally be made public, which I am guessing will be almost all of it, should be made public.  It is not a matter of Trump-hating, it is simply too important a question to leave to a 4 page memo obviously prepared in haste.  It's too bad that there isn't a clearly impartial body to oversee that - the cost of a politically appointed public service

"WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday blocked an effort by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to unanimously pass a non-binding measure expressing that Congress wants Robert Mueller’s report outlining the results of his Russia investigation be made public."

Let the CYA begin.

bman posted:
napacat posted

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

You said; "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

napacat posted:
 

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

 

Again, your own words:  "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

And the fact that Mueller did not make a recommendation on obstruction does not mean that it didn't happen, just that they thought there was not enough evidence to get a conviction.  It's clear from the subsequent reporting that they agonized over the decision over months and months. Notable that it took Barr only a few hours to reach his conclusion.  Also notable that Trump appointed Barr, someone who was on record as agreeing with Trump that the investigation was unwarranted.

Bottom line is that the full report needs to be seen by the world so that context can be applied.  

Also important to see the results of investigations by the Southern District of NY and other prosecutors.  And whatever the results of these investigations, they don't change the fact that Trump is manifestly unfit to the President for dozens of reasons.  Here's just one, on which he scores 9 out of 9, Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.

4 Needing constant admiration from others.

5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.

6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.

7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.

8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.

9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor

He, the President, is certainly a unique individual...indeed maybe a narcissist.  But so what...that is what is needed at this time of insanity on the left.  Keep reaching for collusion, obstruction and what’s in the report.  It’s a total set up.  Let’s wait and learn how this all started.

Want transperancy...hope Trump makes public all of the information relating to FISA warrants and the like.  We have some interesting times ahead.

Where’s W&A and Purple....they are not taking the Mueller report too well?

mneeley490 posted:

"WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday blocked an effort by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to unanimously pass a non-binding measure expressing that Congress wants Robert Mueller’s report outlining the results of his Russia investigation be made public."

Let the CYA begin.

Oh Christ...get real.  Do any of you people listen to actual facts and law or just nonsense.

bman posted:
thistlintom posted:

Oh, Trump certainly has his issues, no doubt about that.  But the way some people have acted since he got elected, shows that they have issues too. There is a lot of mourning from many since the report has come out, obviously deeply disappointed that he did not collude with Russia when they should be glad that something like this did not happen.

I for one am glad that neither he nor his campaign were found to collude with Russia.  But that doesn't mean that Trump's not utterly unfit to be President, and not just because of his obvious mental health issues, though those would appear to be the cause of his unfitness. 

Nor do I think the 4 page summary presented by his new AG (on record as considering the investigation bogus, in his 19 page unsolicited memo on the matter) should be the last word.  Those parts of the report which can legally be made public, which I am guessing will be almost all of it, should be made public.  It is not a matter of Trump-hating, it is simply too important a question to leave to a 4 page memo obviously prepared in haste.  It's too bad that there isn't a clearly impartial body to oversee that - the cost of a politically appointed public service

I’ll agree with most of this...they should make public exactly what the laws allow them to.

napacat posted:
bman posted:
thistlintom posted:

Oh, Trump certainly has his issues, no doubt about that.  But the way some people have acted since he got elected, shows that they have issues too. There is a lot of mourning from many since the report has come out, obviously deeply disappointed that he did not collude with Russia when they should be glad that something like this did not happen.

I for one am glad that neither he nor his campaign were found to collude with Russia.  But that doesn't mean that Trump's not utterly unfit to be President, and not just because of his obvious mental health issues, though those would appear to be the cause of his unfitness. 

Nor do I think the 4 page summary presented by his new AG (on record as considering the investigation bogus, in his 19 page unsolicited memo on the matter) should be the last word.  Those parts of the report which can legally be made public, which I am guessing will be almost all of it, should be made public.  It is not a matter of Trump-hating, it is simply too important a question to leave to a 4 page memo obviously prepared in haste.  It's too bad that there isn't a clearly impartial body to oversee that - the cost of a politically appointed public service

I’ll agree with most of this...they should make public exactly what the laws allow them to.

Hallelujah!  We agree on something!  

Even if us tax payers made 10mm $ on the mueller investigation, i personally would still want to see the extent of russian interference.  

We should use such investigation to learn how foreign powers are trying to undermine our country and how we can protect current and future americans from falling victim.  It is money better well spent than say, protecting against a fabricated emergency.

Sides, Trump says he's exonerated, he's got nothing to hide, let the public understand all the ways that Russia isn't an ally.

g-man posted:

Even if us tax payers made 10mm $ on the mueller investigation, i personally would still want to see the extent of russian interference.  

We should use such investigation to learn how foreign powers are trying to undermine our country and how we can protect current and future americans from falling victim.  It is money better well spent than say, protecting against a fabricated emergency.

Sides, Trump says he's exonerated, he's got nothing to hide, let the public understand all the ways that Russia isn't an ally.

Noting a lot of the interference began under the Obama admin  (as confessed to by Brennan) and they did absolutely nothing about it.

napacat posted:
g-man posted:

Even if us tax payers made 10mm $ on the mueller investigation, i personally would still want to see the extent of russian interference.  

We should use such investigation to learn how foreign powers are trying to undermine our country and how we can protect current and future americans from falling victim.  It is money better well spent than say, protecting against a fabricated emergency.

Sides, Trump says he's exonerated, he's got nothing to hide, let the public understand all the ways that Russia isn't an ally.

Noting a lot of the interference began under the Obama admin  (as confessed to by Brennan) and they did absolutely nothing about it.

why does it matter if it's Obama or trump?  The only people that ever lose in this situation is the American public.  This probably happened under Eisenhower, or Reagan, who gives a shit?  Not sure why some "americans" are soo obsessed with a someone who's not even president anymore.  Trump is the current president, we caught something happening and he's done nothing but say that Russia is an ally and that Putin is a good friend.

Plain and simple, if he and mitch have nothing to worry about because supposedly nothing happened, then release the Mueller report for the american public to understand the depth of Russian interference.  I'd expect congress then to fund appropriate security measures to ensure the American voice is not drowned out nor manipulated by a foreign enemy.

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