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robsutherland posted:

My leg hurts. It's hurt every day for the past 24 years and 23 days, but the past 30 hours have been agonizing. Like wiggling a screwdriver in one of the bones in my ankle.

How's that for random and off topic?

Dude, I have exactly the same issue from my high school and college lacrosse days as the goalie.

my patellar tendon gets enflamed whenever it rains and it bothers me to no end that i can't even sleep at night.

g-man posted:
napacat posted:

It’s not about what they think of the current situation, it’s about how they spoke out against illegal immigration when it benefits them.  

Does an issue have to affect you personally to be bad for the country?  One example...many illegals (and legals) drive in S FL without auto insurance....that causes the cost of my insurance to go up.  Small example.  Add in the worst Medicaid / Medicare fraud in the country right here.

 

My problem with anything you say is that very few of it is based on reality/facts.  

driving without auto insurance is a big issue, but then again i have alot of legal citizens with florida plates driving in NY full time, even though they live in NY and pay florida insurance. 
auto insurance fraud is also a big issue:
https://www.newsday.com/news/n...raud-scam-1.11405516
Again these aren't illegal immigrants committing these crimes.

Worst medicaid/medicare fraud are not committed by illegal immigrants but rather by fellow citizens.  https://www.theatlantic.com/ne...aud-takedown/488306/

You seem hung up on "but what about this person"   We're not talking about any one else except what is happening here and now with this particular adminstration.  I never dwell on anything that has happened in the past with someone else because they honestly have nothing to do with one another.  I have always voted against Schumer for instance, it didnt work out, but I don't use the fact that Schumer may h ave said something or done something in the past to even remotely justify what someone else does.  (btw Schumer is still a despicable person and his speeches in person are just a rambling mess.)

It's like saying, "oh hey, it's okay for me to steal from XXXX just because this other person i read about it does it".  Do people not have a moral compass anymore?  You know that line that you should know whether something is right and wrong?  Or do folks nowadays just use "oh but he's doing it too" as an excuse?

wait wait, I can play this game.  Jerry Sandusky is a bad hombre, but what about all those evil catholic priests that abuse little boys????  Does that mean jerry sandusky shouldn't be considered evil because someone else does it?  See how stupid that sounds?


I think you have a reading comprehension problem. If you look at my post I also included legal residents.  It is not about a "What about this person". It is about the hypocrisy, you cannot be outraged by one and not the other.  If you are consistent...I have no problem with it.  

wineart 2 posted:

PH, you just don’t know Napa well. You see, he unlike you and me actually picked his parents. He picked parents that would guaranteed he would never be born in North Korea or Bangladesh or any war torn or third war country. He also made sure when selecting his parents they would be well educated and literate in multiple languages. Somehow the rest of the world missed out and failed to select our parents, but not Napa. 

PH, these children who failed to select their parents must be removed from their families, period. They had their chance to select better parents and simply failed. Screw them! When I landed in NYC this week there were large protest at the airport. When I asked security what was going on, I was told that a plane full of kids was landing with children from Texas without their parents. PH, their parents are guilty of a misdemeanor for goodness sakes, or perhaps I should say Christ Sakes, seems that is the proper response from Napa, the chosen one. I’m also confident that Napa at four years old knew his selected parents phone number so that he could call and perhaps even have FaceTime with them. 

These kids unselected parents are guilty of a misdemeanor, screw them! Just ask Napa and all of his fellow Trumpoid cult!

What a ridiculous post.  Shall we take everyone in the world in a bad situation into our Country illegally?  Everyone is welcome to come to our country legally.  


How does that escape you?  

Rothko posted:
gigabit posted:
Rothko posted:

Why didn't Thanos just snap his fingers and double the Universe's resources?

Rothko - Did you see Josh Brolin on the Late Show earlier this week?

No. Did he explain it?

 

Did the movie diverge from the comics?  Jim Starlin was no Neil Gaiman, but his overarching  explain was a reasonable excuse.

Tho when talking to the silver surfer, Jim Starlin wrote in some super lame reason.

napacat posted:
g-man posted:
napacat posted:

It’s not about what they think of the current situation, it’s about how they spoke out against illegal immigration when it benefits them.  

Does an issue have to affect you personally to be bad for the country?  One example...many illegals (and legals) drive in S FL without auto insurance....that causes the cost of my insurance to go up.  Small example.  Add in the worst Medicaid / Medicare fraud in the country right here.

 

My problem with anything you say is that very few of it is based on reality/facts.  

driving without auto insurance is a big issue, but then again i have alot of legal citizens with florida plates driving in NY full time, even though they live in NY and pay florida insurance. 
auto insurance fraud is also a big issue:
https://www.newsday.com/news/n...raud-scam-1.11405516
Again these aren't illegal immigrants committing these crimes.

Worst medicaid/medicare fraud are not committed by illegal immigrants but rather by fellow citizens.  https://www.theatlantic.com/ne...aud-takedown/488306/

You seem hung up on "but what about this person"   We're not talking about any one else except what is happening here and now with this particular adminstration.  I never dwell on anything that has happened in the past with someone else because they honestly have nothing to do with one another.  I have always voted against Schumer for instance, it didnt work out, but I don't use the fact that Schumer may h ave said something or done something in the past to even remotely justify what someone else does.  (btw Schumer is still a despicable person and his speeches in person are just a rambling mess.)

It's like saying, "oh hey, it's okay for me to steal from XXXX just because this other person i read about it does it".  Do people not have a moral compass anymore?  You know that line that you should know whether something is right and wrong?  Or do folks nowadays just use "oh but he's doing it too" as an excuse?

wait wait, I can play this game.  Jerry Sandusky is a bad hombre, but what about all those evil catholic priests that abuse little boys????  Does that mean jerry sandusky shouldn't be considered evil because someone else does it?  See how stupid that sounds?


I think you have a reading comprehension problem. If you look at my post I also included legal residents.  It is not about a "What about this person". It is about the hypocrisy, you cannot be outraged by one and not the other.  If you are consistent...I have no problem with it.  

As noted, I am very consistent in my beliefs, and btw, if you believe in standardized tests, I scored 99% on reading in the following examples,

MCATS, DATS, LSAT, GMAT, my Series exams for financial regulators =)

your example is classic "what about ism" just because you added (legals) in it.  You're basically saying illegals have a negligible effect on your life because legals do it too.  Which is true, which is why i don't understand the vitriol you feel about the situation.  Btw unless your wife has a PhD, she probably would not be allowed into this country with today's current immigration policy.  I know for a fact my grandfather who came to this country legally, who worked 50 years as a barber in Chinatown would never have made it in this country under today's immigration policy.

Which boils down to the issue, you seem to have a problem with "what about ism"  you seem to imply that it's okay to do things because this other person is doing it.  

I'd be happy if you can recognize your news sources seems to do a lot of that.  Let's not pin the blame on something else when our current administration fucks it up.  Don't you feel like that's a reasonable ask of both our citizens and administration?  Take responsibility for our actions, dont make excuses "just because someone else" does it.  Fair?

g-man posted:
napacat posted:
g-man posted:
napacat posted:

It’s not about what they think of the current situation, it’s about how they spoke out against illegal immigration when it benefits them.  

Does an issue have to affect you personally to be bad for the country?  One example...many illegals (and legals) drive in S FL without auto insurance....that causes the cost of my insurance to go up.  Small example.  Add in the worst Medicaid / Medicare fraud in the country right here.

 

My problem with anything you say is that very few of it is based on reality/facts.  

driving without auto insurance is a big issue, but then again i have alot of legal citizens with florida plates driving in NY full time, even though they live in NY and pay florida insurance. 
auto insurance fraud is also a big issue:
https://www.newsday.com/news/n...raud-scam-1.11405516
Again these aren't illegal immigrants committing these crimes.

Worst medicaid/medicare fraud are not committed by illegal immigrants but rather by fellow citizens.  https://www.theatlantic.com/ne...aud-takedown/488306/

You seem hung up on "but what about this person"   We're not talking about any one else except what is happening here and now with this particular adminstration.  I never dwell on anything that has happened in the past with someone else because they honestly have nothing to do with one another.  I have always voted against Schumer for instance, it didnt work out, but I don't use the fact that Schumer may h ave said something or done something in the past to even remotely justify what someone else does.  (btw Schumer is still a despicable person and his speeches in person are just a rambling mess.)

It's like saying, "oh hey, it's okay for me to steal from XXXX just because this other person i read about it does it".  Do people not have a moral compass anymore?  You know that line that you should know whether something is right and wrong?  Or do folks nowadays just use "oh but he's doing it too" as an excuse?

wait wait, I can play this game.  Jerry Sandusky is a bad hombre, but what about all those evil catholic priests that abuse little boys????  Does that mean jerry sandusky shouldn't be considered evil because someone else does it?  See how stupid that sounds?


I think you have a reading comprehension problem. If you look at my post I also included legal residents.  It is not about a "What about this person". It is about the hypocrisy, you cannot be outraged by one and not the other.  If you are consistent...I have no problem with it.  

As noted, I am very consistent in my beliefs, and btw, if you believe in standardized tests, I scored 99% on reading in the following examples,

MCATS, DATS, LSAT, GMAT, my Series exams for financial regulators =)

your example is classic "what about ism" just because you added (legals) in it.  You're basically saying illegals have a negligible effect on your life because legals do it too.  Which is true, which is why i don't understand the vitriol you feel about the situation.  Btw unless your wife has a PhD, she probably would not be allowed into this country with today's current immigration policy.  I know for a fact my grandfather who came to this country legally, who worked 50 years as a barber in Chinatown would never have made it in this country under today's immigration policy.

Which boils down to the issue, you seem to have a problem with "what about ism"  you seem to imply that it's okay to do things because this other person is doing it.  

I'd be happy if you can recognize your news sources seems to do a lot of that.  Let's not pin the blame on something else when our current administration fucks it up.  Don't you feel like that's a reasonable ask of both our citizens and administration?  Take responsibility for our actions, dont make excuses "just because someone else" does it.  Fair?

My wife does indeed have two Masters degrees obtained here in the U.S. 

 

"I'd be happy if you can recognize your news sources seems to do a lot of that.  Let's not pin the blame on something else when our current administration fucks it up.  Don't you feel like that's a reasonable ask of both our citizens and administration?  Take responsibility for our actions, dont make excuses "just because someone else" does it.  Fair?"

 

I have many more than one news source.  I will agree with the statement:

"Take responsibility for our actions, Don't make excuses "just because someone else" does it.  Fair?"

Yes fair.  Illegals crossing the border have to take responsibility for their actions.

Rothko posted:
gigabit posted:
Rothko posted:

Why didn't Thanos just snap his fingers and double the Universe's resources?

Rothko - Did you see Josh Brolin on the Late Show earlier this week?

No. Did he explain it?

Colbert asked him the question and [he] gave his opinion as to why Thanos didn't consider it.

Napa, you can’t possibly be that obtuse. Just not possible. 

Everyone? Nice try making that up. Not said or implied. 

Everyone is welcome legally. Once again, not true, especially with your president. Do you even know what you are talking about? Did you read what gman said? Do you have a clue what your president is saying about imagination? Clearly you are clueless, and I’m being kind. 

Press conference? Didn’t see it.  Did Trump hold a conference about all the people killed in Chicago last weekend by legal citizens? I missed it. What was his plan? Did he propose to pass out guns to everyone just like he did for teachers?  I’m confident he said something to fan the flame from you and other Trumpoid cult members. 

napacat posted:
g-man posted:
napacat posted:
g-man posted:
napacat posted:

It’s not about what they think of the current situation, it’s about how they spoke out against illegal immigration when it benefits them.  

Does an issue have to affect you personally to be bad for the country?  One example...many illegals (and legals) drive in S FL without auto insurance....that causes the cost of my insurance to go up.  Small example.  Add in the worst Medicaid / Medicare fraud in the country right here.

 

My problem with anything you say is that very few of it is based on reality/facts.  

driving without auto insurance is a big issue, but then again i have alot of legal citizens with florida plates driving in NY full time, even though they live in NY and pay florida insurance. 
auto insurance fraud is also a big issue:
https://www.newsday.com/news/n...raud-scam-1.11405516
Again these aren't illegal immigrants committing these crimes.

Worst medicaid/medicare fraud are not committed by illegal immigrants but rather by fellow citizens.  https://www.theatlantic.com/ne...aud-takedown/488306/

You seem hung up on "but what about this person"   We're not talking about any one else except what is happening here and now with this particular adminstration.  I never dwell on anything that has happened in the past with someone else because they honestly have nothing to do with one another.  I have always voted against Schumer for instance, it didnt work out, but I don't use the fact that Schumer may h ave said something or done something in the past to even remotely justify what someone else does.  (btw Schumer is still a despicable person and his speeches in person are just a rambling mess.)

It's like saying, "oh hey, it's okay for me to steal from XXXX just because this other person i read about it does it".  Do people not have a moral compass anymore?  You know that line that you should know whether something is right and wrong?  Or do folks nowadays just use "oh but he's doing it too" as an excuse?

wait wait, I can play this game.  Jerry Sandusky is a bad hombre, but what about all those evil catholic priests that abuse little boys????  Does that mean jerry sandusky shouldn't be considered evil because someone else does it?  See how stupid that sounds?


I think you have a reading comprehension problem. If you look at my post I also included legal residents.  It is not about a "What about this person". It is about the hypocrisy, you cannot be outraged by one and not the other.  If you are consistent...I have no problem with it.  

As noted, I am very consistent in my beliefs, and btw, if you believe in standardized tests, I scored 99% on reading in the following examples,

MCATS, DATS, LSAT, GMAT, my Series exams for financial regulators =)

your example is classic "what about ism" just because you added (legals) in it.  You're basically saying illegals have a negligible effect on your life because legals do it too.  Which is true, which is why i don't understand the vitriol you feel about the situation.  Btw unless your wife has a PhD, she probably would not be allowed into this country with today's current immigration policy.  I know for a fact my grandfather who came to this country legally, who worked 50 years as a barber in Chinatown would never have made it in this country under today's immigration policy.

Which boils down to the issue, you seem to have a problem with "what about ism"  you seem to imply that it's okay to do things because this other person is doing it.  

I'd be happy if you can recognize your news sources seems to do a lot of that.  Let's not pin the blame on something else when our current administration fucks it up.  Don't you feel like that's a reasonable ask of both our citizens and administration?  Take responsibility for our actions, dont make excuses "just because someone else" does it.  Fair?

My wife does indeed have two Masters degrees obtained here in the U.S. 

 

Yes fair.  Illegals crossing the border have to take responsibility for their actions.

yes, obtained here in the US.  she would have never have made it here without a PhD with today's immigration laws.

As of 2018, due to this and previous 3 administrations (after 9/11) we have one of the toughest immigration laws in the world.  Basically, almost no one gets citizenship legally but they're still suppose to be able to come to this country and try to obtain citizenship.  

You want to see the eventual outcome of that tight immigrations where no one is allowed in?  Look at japan.  A dying, aging population that is going to lag China as the super power.

wineart 2 posted:

Napa, you can’t possibly be that obtuse. Just not possible. 

Everyone? Nice try making that up. Not said or implied. 

Everyone is welcome legally. Once again, not true, especially with your president. Do you even know what you are talking about? Did you read what gman said? Do you have a clue what your president is saying about imagination? Clearly you are clueless, and I’m being kind. 

Press conference? Didn’t see it.  Did Trump hold a conference about all the people killed in Chicago last weekend by legal citizens? I missed it. What was his plan? Did he propose to pass out guns to everyone just like he did for teachers?  I’m confident he said something to fan the flame from you and other Trumpoid cult members. 

Everyone was a little too broad...thanks for the correction.   You don't really need to be as sarcastic and witty as you think you are...but hey, if it makes you feel superior then go ahead.

As a mater of fact, Trump has talked about the violence in Chicago and reigning it in a lot more than the last president who was formerly from there ( oh I know...there goes the "what about that again")

There is no cult.  There are only two sides to choose from at the moment...and the democrats are simply out of their minds and show themselves to be the most intolerable people to anyone having an opposing  view.  

What is you solution to the Illegals coming here, being smuggled in, with children / without children or coming on their own?  

It's called a proper comprehensive immigration reform.

You have two sides, one that says we should have immigration with proper limits and one that's a hardline, No immigrants period.  I can tell you that the no immigrants camp is being completely unreasonable.

This country was founded on immigrants.  We are culturally diverse, we utilize the plethora of ideas and cultures to make this country better, everybody has something they can offer a country when they make the potentially extremely dangerous journey to come to the country of opportunity. 

 

Proper immigration can be tied to things like large scale infrastructure programs where you get the opportunity to gain citizenship and a salary once you come here to help build and upgrade our aging infrastructure then settle in uninhabited parts of america.  Proper immigration can be tied to more appropriate "trial" periods where if they're hard working and a member of their community, they should get a fair shot at becoming a citizen.  There are soo many things I can list that can be part of a comprehensive immigration package, I'm not sure why one group insists that "No one gets in" is the proper way to go forward.

And I'll reiterate Napacat, that our respective families would never have made it in to this country with today's immigration laws.

g-man posted:

It's called a proper comprehensive immigration reform.

You have two sides, one that says we should have immigration with proper limits and one that's a hardline, No immigrants period.  I can tell you that the no immigrants camp is being completely unreasonable.

This country was founded on immigrants.  We are culturally diverse, we utilize the plethora of ideas and cultures to make this country better, everybody has something they can offer a country when they make the potentially extremely dangerous journey to come to the country of opportunity. 

 

Proper immigration can be tied to things like large scale infrastructure programs where you get the opportunity to gain citizenship and a salary once you come here to help build and upgrade our aging infrastructure then settle in uninhabited parts of america.  Proper immigration can be tied to more appropriate "trial" periods where if they're hard working and a member of their community, they should get a fair shot at becoming a citizen.  There are soo many things I can list that can be part of a comprehensive immigration package, I'm not sure why one group insists that "No one gets in" is the proper way to go forward.

And I'll reiterate Napacat, that our respective families would never have made it in to this country with today's immigration laws.

Gman,

Good post.  Agree with everything that your wrote. 

Cheers.

 

napacat posted:

If anyone has a chance at the moment...you can listen to the current press conference regarding the families permanently serrated from their Children.  Show a bit of compassion for them.  They are indeed your fellow citizens.  

Blood libel. 

 

Both legal and illegal immigrants are far less likely to commit violence than natural born citizens. This is a calculated ploy to gin up racism in this country. Members of all groups have committed murder. But immigrants, both legal and illegal, are far less likely to. 

winetarelli posted:
napacat posted:

If anyone has a chance at the moment...you can listen to the current press conference regarding the families permanently serrated from their Children.  Show a bit of compassion for them.  They are indeed your fellow citizens.  

Blood libel. 

 

Both legal and illegal immigrants are far less likely to commit violence than natural born citizens. This is a calculated ploy to gin up racism in this country. Members of all groups have committed murder. But immigrants, both legal and illegal, are far less likely to. 

Totally agree, winetarelli.  Unfortunately, facts and truth are becoming less and less important under the current regime.  

PH

jcocktosten posted:

All you (light brown and darker)  people get out of here - this is my country.  Says the idiot whose predecessors, unless they are native americans, came from somewhere else.

Personally, mine came from Russia, Ukraine and Poland in the mid to late 1800s - thankfully.

 

Please excuse the minor edit, Jc, but ultimately this is what he's all about.  

PH

The hegemony of white males is increasingly threatened by the influx of immigrants, many of whom are persons of color, into American society, and the ascension of minorities, and women, into prominent leadership roles.

The percentages are changing; and the fear of that change is one of the primary reasons we find ourselves in the current situation.

 

wineart 2 posted:

Winetarilli... #truth... yet the Trumpoids cult have zero interest in the truth... see Napa.

More BS from you.  Go ahead and paint everyone who disagrees with you a racist.  Instead of answering the question I posed to regarding a solution.  

But carry on...

Umm, Napa, again, you are as always devoid of facts. Just like your boy!

You truly are completely obtuse. This entire threads focus has NOT been about what to do about immigration. It has been about removing children from their parents and your boy’s new policy which he backed away from due to people NOT like you and your type of thinking. Thankfully your boy backtracked from his reprehensible policy. 

The vast majority all agree we need comprehension immigration reform. This is not and has not been the topic. #Obtuse! 

napacat posted:
wineart 2 posted:

Winetarilli... #truth... yet the Trumpoids cult have zero interest in the truth... see Napa.

More BS from you.  Go ahead and paint everyone who disagrees with you a racist.  Instead of answering the question I posed to regarding a solution.  

But carry on...

Napa,

I’m genuinely confused and won’t go ad hominem. Facts aren’t BS. Both legal and illegal immigrants are far less likely to commit murder than are natural born citizens. That’s true. So why is it relevant that in history it has happened?  We have a rapidly aging population and “replacing” the older generations with immigrants instead of natural born Americans would actually make the country much safer, not less safe. So I ask again, why parade out a few families whose lives have been upended when we know that based upon our current immigration laws, immigrants are more likely to be nonviolent than natural born Americans?  What possible reason is there?  If you can think of a reason that is not fear-mongering / stupidity / xenophobia / “squirrel!” / scapegoating / intentionally adding to and exacerbating racism I would love to read it. 

Immigration is a complicated issue.  And especially for dreamers (and immediate family members who have been here for decades) we must find a way to protect those who are nonviolent functionally American. There is a lot more to be said. And considered. (I’m slowly coming around on very strict regulation with government monopoly — but legaliation — of heroine/cocaine/etc.)  It would take months to write about the nuances and complexities of the matter. And compromises will have to be reached.  And I hope one day we can have a clear eyed comprehensive immigration reform...

But here’s the ugliness: immigration is already not really a problem. Under Obama, for natural born citizens, it was already not a problem. For our national security, it was already not a problem. For our standing in the world, our standard of life, it was already not a problem. When Trump took office the only people in this country with a legitimate primary gripe about our immigration policy were the immigrants.  Obama era immigration laws and enforcement were less of a threat than the diminishing bee population. So why are we even talking about this?  Racism. Xenophobia. Scapegoating. “Squirrel!”  

 

Oh, and also, the dude ripped children out of their parents arms and put them in motherfucking cages!

winetarelli posted:
Oh, and also, the dude ripped children out of their parents arms and put them in motherfucking cages!

Out of the park, winetarelli.

This is where the discussion began, and I want to make sure we're all clear on this in case anyone missed it; napacat said he supported this abomination.  Because they were "illegal."  Babies cannot be illegal.  And to even put those words down is just abominable.

Additionally, 2017 statistics on illegal border crossings show that they were at a 46 year low.

Secure borders make sense, but sensationalizing it to the extent that trump has, and supporting propaganda from the cult,  like Mike Huckabee's obscene tweet of apparent gang members as Nancy Peolsi's campaign committee  add fuel to the fire.

It's 100% about racism, xenophobia, misdirection and pandering to low information voters to prop up a failing administration that is flailing in almost every facet of it's existence.  

PH

Former15 and PH, you all are playing chess while Napa is still reading the rules for checkers. 

Obviously the conversation has been singularly focused on the children, not immigration reform. This said, when the facts are not in your favor, play the shell game like Napatroid and Trump. Everyone statistically in this forum has a 5X greater chance of being attacked by a citizen of the USA than by some illegal person. Yet, Trump and his cult like Napatroid want to play the shell game with some reality TV stunt that was just so embarrassingly presented. 

Trump has no moral compass, period. 

PH, I just paid $79 for a 2012 Bonneau du Martray Corton Charlemagne that has been sitting in an 80 degree store for the past 5 years standing tall.

You see, the wine is far better at $79 than $139 and stored in my cellar for the past 5 years. As we all know, price drives how much I enjoy the wine! 

I also know you like us all give a flying fu$k what you paid! 

mikemann posted:

This is just pitiful! Does anyone discuss wine here, or has political crap and name calling eclipsed the purpose of this site? Horrible what’s happened here. Anger and name calling have replaced wine discussion.

rich coming from someone who never engages in wine convo at all and just leaves an occasional "I drank this" memo and dont' even leave enough details to understand what they drank.

Conversion and discussion is a two way street, none of your posts aspires to merit proper discussions or thought.

"What am i drinking .. Daiginjo"  /roll eyes

mikemann posted:

This is just pitiful! Does anyone discuss wine here, or has political crap and name calling eclipsed the purpose of this site? Horrible what’s happened here. Anger and name calling have replaced wine discussion.

Dude, the whole point of this thread is for things off-topic!  There are hundreds of wine discussions on other threads but that is not what this one is for.

But I agree that the name-calling is getting to be a bit much....

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