Ah. Thanks for clarifying that. My mistake.
@Rothko posted:I did do mail-in for the August 18th election. Quite simple and easy; first time I've voted by mail rather than in person.
I am torn about the November election. Should I do another mail-in ballot (mail it as early as I can) or vote in person? That's the dilemma. Usually there's not a line at my polling place; when I voted in March right after all Covid stuff started there was almost no one there and no line at all. Not sure what November will be like.
I will vote by mail, but will drop off at the Election Office. Do not trust the system that trump has set up
@flwino posted:I will vote by mail, but will drop off at the Election Office. Do not trust the system that trump has set up
Trump has not set up a system for mail-in voting. Each state does that individually. He is trying to interfere with that process.
Is anyone making a distinction between absentee and mail in voting? There is a significant difference. I have voted absentee many times prior...but feel you loose the feeling / privilege of what voting actually means doing it that way. I want to go in person. Early voting is completely fine.
@napacat posted:Is anyone making a distinction between absentee and mail in voting? There is a significant difference. I have voted absentee many times prior...but feel you loose the feeling / privilege of what voting actually means doing it that way. I want to go in person. Early voting is completely fine.
Can you explain the significant difference between absentee and mail-in voting? They seem exactly the same to me, unless you meant early voting when you said absentee voting.
I'm thinking of buying the most expensive toilet I can buy.
@bman posted:Can you explain the significant difference between absentee and mail-in voting? They seem exactly the same to me, unless you meant early voting when you said absentee voting.
I believe in absentee voting you have to sign up and request it. Keep your signature on file and you can track it electronically through the process. Verse just getting a ballot mailed to you.
Whatever. The bottom line is once again the would-be despot in the White House is fucking with our democracy.
We did early in person voting.. Just us and two elections office workers - one of whom I know. In and out in 2 minutes
I do miss in-person voting. Seeing your friends and neighbors at the polls, you really felt like you were part of democracy in action. Plus, free sticker!
We've had mail-in voting in WA for some time. However, it's not a huge burden to simply drive a few blocks and deposit my ballot into an official county ballot box, rather than take my chances with the USPS.
@mneeley490 posted:I do miss in-person voting. Seeing your friends and neighbors at the polls, you really felt like you were part of democracy in action. Plus, free sticker!
I don't want to see my neighbors so I've been very happy with mail in all these years. And in California they actually give you a sticker in the mail with your ballot.
@napacat posted:I believe in absentee voting you have to sign up and request it. Keep your signature on file and you can track it electronically through the process. Verse just getting a ballot mailed to you.
Quick question napacat. Are your foreign born? Not that there's anything wrong with that, as I am an American born overseas. It's just that your English appears to be written by a non-English speaker.
PH
@purplehaze posted:Quick question napacat. Are your foreign born? Not that there's anything wrong with that, as I am an American born overseas. It's just that your English appears to be written by a non-English speaker.
PH
PH, I think there is another option in play here! 🤣
I am not sure why people are angry with the mail. You send a letter with .55 in postage affixed, and for that small price, they carry it around for 2 weeks!
Speaking of the mail, 18 U.S. Code § 1701 says: “Whoever knowingly and willfully obstructs or retards the passage of the mail, or any carrier or conveyance carrying the mail, shall be fined ....... or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.”
The President's hand picked head of the USPS (a large contributor to his prior campaign) has been removing mailboxes and mail sorting machines in anticipation of the upcoming election which will have more votes cast by mail than ever before.
Of course, the criminal statute set forth above does not require that there be any particular motivation.
Hmmm. Sounds like Congress could find another issue upon which to waste a bunch of time on an investigation.
@bman posted:Can you explain the significant difference between absentee and mail-in voting? They seem exactly the same to me, unless you meant early voting when you said absentee voting.
Don’t quote me on this but I believe absentee voting is for Americans living abroad, whereas voting by mail is for Americans residing in the country that don’t wish to go to the polls. My wife, is casting an Absentee ballot from Toronto. Her parents are voting by mail from Florida.
It used to be that to vote by mail, the only way was "absentee voting" where you had to be out of the state on Election day in order to do this. It had the name "absentee ballot" because the voter was away, and the mechanism to vote was by mail. The lines have blurred overtime. In Maryland, for example, the law was changed about a dozen years ago to permit any Marylander to vote by mail, even if he were not going to be "absent". That's the way I've voted for years, because it is so much more convenient for me.
@irwin posted:It used to be that to vote by mail, the only way was "absentee voting" where you had to be out of the state on Election day in order to do this. It had the name "absentee ballot" because the voter was away, and the mechanism to vote was by mail. The lines have blurred overtime. In Maryland, for example, the law was changed about a dozen years ago to permit any Marylander to vote by mail, even if he were not going to be "absent". That's the way I've voted for years, because it is so much more convenient for me.
So it seems that Trump's love of absentee voting, in Florida and Republican-run states at least, and hate for mail-in voting, is a distinction without a difference. In other words, his usual BS. The irony of course is that according to much reporting, scaring people off mail-in voting will hurt him and Republicans more than Biden and the Dems.
Listening to presidential enabler Mark Meadows this morning. It's the "Democrat" party this and "Democrat" senators that. How can you negotiate with people who won't even call your party by its correct name?
@irwin posted:I am not sure why people are angry with the mail. You send a letter with .55 in postage affixed, and for that small price, they carry it around for 2 weeks!
Not true, not funny.
Responding to ProSys about the viability of Gavin Newsom:
TOM, "As for this little bit of foresight I'll gladly bookmark this and remind you in 4 years that I was right."
From today's LA Times, With Kamala Harris as VP pick, Gavin Newsom’s White House hopes have stalled
"Maybe you’ve noticed: Gov. Gavin Newsom no longer looks like a promising future presidential prospect. He has been leaped over and left behind by a California ally, Sen. Kamala Harris."
Well, at least I noticed.
Jake Tapper: But there's no evidence of wide spread voter fraud. [re: vote-by mail]
Mark Meadows: There's no evidence that there's not, either. That's the definition of 'fraud', Jake.
Huh?
@mneeley490 posted:Jake Tapper: But there's no evidence of wide spread voter fraud. [re: vote-by mail]
Mark Meadows: There's no evidence that there's not, either. That's the definition of 'fraud', Jake.
Huh?
I saw that. Tapper should have responded with, “there’s no evidence you’re not secretly a serial killer.”
@mneeley490 posted:Jake Tapper: But there's no evidence of wide spread voter fraud. [re: vote-by mail]
Mark Meadows: There's no evidence that there's not, either. That's the definition of 'fraud', Jake.
Huh?
I saw that. What a jaw-dropper. A truly sick and evil regime.
@mneeley490 posted:Jake Tapper: But there's no evidence of wide spread voter fraud. [re: vote-by mail]
Mark Meadows: There's no evidence that there's not, either. That's the definition of 'fraud', Jake.
Huh?
So what's the problem. Seems like a perfectly accurate response to me. His claim was the definition of a fraud.
Ugh.
@sd-wineaux posted:So what's the problem. Seems like a perfectly accurate response to me. His claim was the definition of a fraud.
It's a totally absurd response. Read and learn Grasshopper: Proofing a Negative
Kasich was good.
I like the Republicans giving permission to vote for Biden segment. Honestly, it should have started with that. The first hour was 
There is no reason for Eva to be there. I cringe every time I see her. And I normally don't cringe when I see Eva Longoria.
@winetarelli posted:There is no reason for Eva to be there. I cringe every time I see her. And I normally don't cringe when I see Eva Longoria.
Don't those last two sentences contradict each other?
@The Old Man posted:Don't those last two sentences contradict each other?
I cringe every time I see her presenting the convention. In other circumstances, I definitely don't cringe when I see her on TV. Because she is pretty.
"Joe is an Amtrak-riding haymish, decent guy." Minus the Yiddish.
Bernie did well.
The first hour did more harm than good. Pandering.
The second hour started strong and only got stronger and stronger and Michelle!!!! 
I wonder how many people who actually will vote this year are undecided.
In Kiplinger magazine they list various proposals of the two candidates for changes in the tax law. The President want to create a $4000 tax credit for domestic travel, which I suppose means vacations in the US. That is quite possibly the dumbest idea I've ever heard.
He wants to have the taxpayers in general pay for the domestic vacations of taxpayers? Will more people go on vacation? Only someone who owns hotels and golf courses could think of that idea.
This is a priority? Geez, what an idiot.
As a job skill for trump. Does he teach lying 101 to make sure his message gets across?
Read this this morning, but I can't remember who said it.
"Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Trump golfs."
@mneeley490 posted:Read this this morning, but I can't remember who said it.
"Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Trump golfs."
Bernie Sanders.
I am starting to wonder who will be speakers at the RNC Convention next week. I haven't seen a schedule yet.
Do you think that former President Bush will want to speak and give a ringing endorsement of President Trump?
Will certain House and Senate Republicans want to do the same?
I think that some will want to speak to set themselves up for 2024. But at the same time, do they want to give a glowing speech endorsing President Trump? That may come back to haunt them.
@Rothko posted:I am starting to wonder who will be speakers at the RNC Convention next week. I haven't seen a schedule yet.
Scott Baio. Perhaps they can get Clint Eastwood to rail against a chair.