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@bman posted:

Why do you say they were wrongly suspended?  They were clearly in no danger from the man and could have just gone around him.  And they failed to assist a citizen in serious distress, unconscious and bleeding from his head. A situation they caused, as it happens. The latter at least would seem to be a breach of their responsibilities as police officers. 

The police were trying to clear the area.  The man is slapping something against the policeman's arm while walking backwards (didn't know you could touch a cop without consequence)...cop gives a slight push...man loses his balance and falls backwards and hits his head.   Where is the story?  Suspension...these guys are putting their life on the line trying to enforce order.  You have no idea who is in the crowd.

I don't see where any suspension was warranted.  You go out there and want to protest...fine,  You could get caught up in a situation you may not have thought of...especially when you lay a hand on an officer. Very clear to me.

@bomba503 posted:

Unbeleiveable DD. How ironic that posting on this board all day arguing about Trump turns out to be a great way to support him. Im astounded by the silence on the revaltion that WineSpectator is the biggest Trump supporter in the wione world by orders of magnitude. I understand some posters many have not seen it yet but for this is a no brainer. Many of us are friends outside the online world, we have each others phone #'s, emails, Winebeserkers, Instagram, Facebook, Zoom calls and any number of ways to connect. This wont be one of them for me any longer. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. If your still here arguing with napacat tomorrow he was right about you and he won. I'm outta here and wont be back. Logging out...

Protesting a wine board because the owner / founder of the site donates to Trump.  Coward.  Really tolerable of another's view.  I am not for any boycott's of a business... (that is operating legally) just childish and stupid.  

@bomba503 posted:

Unbeleiveable DD. How ironic that posting on this board all day arguing about Trump turns out to be a great way to support him. Im astounded by the silence on the revaltion that WineSpectator is the biggest Trump supporter in the wione world by orders of magnitude. I understand some posters many have not seen it yet but for this is a no brainer. Many of us are friends outside the online world, we have each others phone #'s, emails, Winebeserkers, Instagram, Facebook, Zoom calls and any number of ways to connect. This wont be one of them for me any longer. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. If your still here arguing with napacat tomorrow he was right about you and he won. I'm outta here and wont be back. Logging out...

I took a quick look at Shaken's Federal Election Commission listings and see that while his recent contributions Are almost all to Republicans, ten years plus ago the opposite was true. He even contributed to Biden's 2008 campaign. And seems he stopped all contributions in 2018. 

So now the orange pile of dung tells Marriott they will have to close down their hotel in Cuba. The POS wanted to open his own hotel in Russia but now telling Marriott to shut down. 

Marriott / Starwood should just move their international businesses out of the U.S., quit paying taxes to the states for their entire international group and give Dump the finger. 

Just to make sure the facts are straight, the Buffalo officers said that (a) they only resigned from their volunteer positions on the Emergency Response Team (who are handling protest control) and not from the force, and (b) they didn't do so in a show of solidarity with the two officers who were suspended and charged for pushing the senior citizen.

This is from WKBW Buffalo's website:

The officers we spoke with said the Buffalo Police Benevolent Association’s statement asserting all 57 officers resigned from ERT in a "show of support” with the two officers that were suspended without pay is not true.

“I don’t understand why the union said it’s a thing of solidarity. I think it sends the wrong message that ‘we’re backing our own’ and that’s not the case,” said one officer with whom we spoke.

“We quit because our union said [they] aren’t legally backing us anymore. So why would we stand on a line for the City with no legal backing if something [were to] happen? Has nothing to do with us supporting,” said another.

@napacat posted:

The police were trying to clear the area.  The man is slapping something against the policeman's arm while walking backwards (didn't know you could touch a cop without consequence)...cop gives a slight push...man loses his balance and falls backwards and hits his head.   Where is the story?  Suspension...these guys are putting their life on the line trying to enforce order.  You have no idea who is in the crowd.

I don't see where any suspension was warranted.  You go out there and want to protest...fine,  You could get caught up in a situation you may not have thought of...especially when you lay a hand on an officer. Very clear to me.

Very clear... fired! 🤣

Then the lawsuits and large taxpayers payout. Brilliant. 

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@bman posted:

I took a quick look at Shaken's Federal Election Commission listings and see that while his recent contributions Are almost all to Republicans, ten years plus ago the opposite was true. He even contributed to Biden's 2008 campaign. And seems he stopped all contributions in 2018. 

And what business is it of yours.  People can donate wherever they chose.

@sunnylea57 posted:

Just to make sure the facts are straight, the Buffalo officers said that (a) they only resigned from their volunteer positions on the Emergency Response Team (who are handling protest control) and not from the force, and (b) they didn't do so in a show of solidarity with the two officers who were suspended and charged for pushing the senior citizen.

This is from WKBW Buffalo's website:

The officers we spoke with said the Buffalo Police Benevolent Association’s statement asserting all 57 officers resigned from ERT in a "show of support” with the two officers that were suspended without pay is not true.

“I don’t understand why the union said it’s a thing of solidarity. I think it sends the wrong message that ‘we’re backing our own’ and that’s not the case,” said one officer with whom we spoke.

“We quit because our union said [they] aren’t legally backing us anymore. So why would we stand on a line for the City with no legal backing if something [were to] happen? Has nothing to do with us supporting,” said another.

That's a very different story.  Still don't see where the officers did anything that would warrant a suspension.  Or close to a 7 year prison sentence if convicted.  

@bman posted:

How is it less my business than anyone else's?  Isn't put online so anyone can see it? Like everything else online not behind a paywall or otherwise limited?

Exactly. The reason it is put online is because it IS everyone’s business. 

You are dealing with a very dull person, B. He clearly is clueless how our system works by simply asking the question in the first place. 

@mneeley490 posted:

I've seen their art deco styled ones, they're very nice. But I can still find working originals for much, much less than their prices. 

I must have missed something. Sorry.

JLC came out in 1931 for the British polo players in India. Cartier came out with the Santos in 1911 after creating the ‘ wrist watch’ for Santos Dumont in 1905 for his flight.

Which originals are you referring to? 

TIA! 

 I email back and forth with Board-O occasionally. He's fine, just tired of the forum.  He and his wife just celebrated their 51st wedding anniversary.  Since he's in Palm Beach County, FL, where the virus is pretty aggressive and since he and his wife are in the 70+ years old age range, their quarantining carefully.

I don't agree with Board-O politically and he's a dreaded Yankee fan, but he's pretty nice in person if one can avoid political discussions.

@napacat posted:

By posting it you are calling for action / some kind of negative pushback, as if there is something wrong with donating to Trump or the Republican Party. 

Of course there is something wrong with donating to Trump, unless you want the undermining of the rule of law, destruction of democratic institutions, and imposition of autocracy to continue.  In other words, unless you are Russia, China and other countries looking to do American harm. No one who understands how politics, governance, and the interconnectedness of the world today works would want Trump to continue in power.

And if you haven't noticed, there is no longer a Republican Party, it is now the Trumpublican Party, as the only acid test is loyalty to the malevolent narcissist.  

@bman posted:

Of course there is something wrong with donating to Trump, unless you want the undermining of the rule of law, destruction of democratic institutions, and imposition of autocracy to continue.  In other words, unless you are Russia, China and other countries looking to do American harm. No one who understands how politics, governance, and the interconnectedness of the world today works would want Trump to continue in power.

And if you haven't noticed, there is no longer a Republican Party, it is now the Trumpublican Party, as the only acid test is loyalty to the malevolent narcissist.  

Exactly. Trump is not and has never been a republican. As a lifelong republican myself I never thought I would see tariffs again from the party as history has shown that Hoover and his tariffs ( Smoot Hawley) played a major role in the Great Depression. Also, the Federal Reserve has stated that as of September 2019 Trump’s tariffs cost the American consumer $7.1B in additional cost and displaced 100’s of thousands of American workers. Keep in mind, this doesn’t include the largest ever giveaway of taxpayers money Trump had to give farmers due to his idiocy on trade. Please keep in mind, this was free money ( taxpayers) that will never be repaid as opposed to the automobile industry which was repaid. 

Also, Trump has added to the federal deficit like a drunk sailor prior to the pandemic. It seems the current Republican Party is all talk about deficit spending until they are in power. As a fiscal conservative I don’t have a clue who this party is anymore. 

As you know, B, I can’t stand Hillary Clinton, but she has nothing to do with what this fraud and conman is doing and has done. Nothing. 

@flwino posted:

Cops should be fired, for the main act of mot providing aid to an injured person, that they punched or help trip up.

You are an absolute idiot.  A spreading a lye.  No police officer punched the protester.  The protester was hitting the cops forearm and he got shoved.  Too bad.

Feel bad at all for the police Captain that was killed in St. Louis trying to protect a store from looters?  That is what the protests should be about. 

@napacat posted:

You are an absolute idiot.  A spreading a lye.  No police officer punched the protester.  The protester was hitting the cops forearm and he got shoved.  Too bad.

Feel bad at all for the police Captain that was killed in St. Louis trying to protect a store from looters?  That is what the protests should be about. 

flwino, why are you spreading lye soap? 😂🤣😅.  The empty suit is as dumb as Trump! 

You are correct, flwino. As many on this forum know I have 3 people in my immediate family in law enforcement, 2 federal and one local. All said the same, you can arrest the individual if you like, but can’t crack his skull. 

Justly fired and will cost taxpayers $$$ in lawsuit. 

Now, why didn’t you tell me you were selling / spreading lye soap? 🤣

@wine+art posted:

flwino, why are you spreading lye soap? 😂🤣😅.  The empty suit is as dumb as Trump! 

You are correct, flwino. As many on this forum know I have 3 people in my immediate family in law enforcement, 2 federal and one local. All said the same, you can arrest the individual if you like, but can’t crack his skull. 

Justly fired and will cost taxpayers $$$ in lawsuit. 

Now, why didn’t you tell me you were selling / spreading lye soap? 🤣

Napa does not know the difference between orange mans lies, VS  Soap

BTW  was a police paramedic for a few years in CT.  Worked with officers all the time.  We would have taken care of that man, even if there was an issue.  There are things in life that transcend jobs, and do morally right.   

I love being attacked by Napa. A real a$$  IMHO

@napacat posted:

You are an absolute idiot.  A spreading a lye.  No police officer punched the protester.  The protester was hitting the cops forearm and he got shoved.  Too bad.

Feel bad at all for the police Captain that was killed in St. Louis trying to protect a store from looters?  That is what the protests should be about. 

You are a jerk.  Hitting, shoving, tripping etc. are all the same.  They accosted him.  They injured him, they should have treated him.   7 years would provide enough time for them to think about what they did.  Too bad the tax payers will have to pay for the lawsuit.

Go drink some ripple.  Try posting on wine threads some time, and say something smart, VS your total idiot crap

@wine+art posted:

I must have missed something. Sorry.

JLC came out in 1931 for the British polo players in India. Cartier came out with the Santos in 1911 after creating the ‘ wrist watch’ for Santos Dumont in 1905 for his flight.

Which originals are you referring to? 

TIA! 

Ah, no. I was referring to the ones currently on their website for $5K+. You and the other collectors here are obviously much more knowledgeable about watches than I.  I have a small collection of mainly Hamilton, Elgin, Bulova, & Gruen; things I can pick up from ebay. And truth be told, most are too small for the size of my wrist. I'm just an art deco-style enthusiast of watches, buildings, furnishings, and barware, and I just enjoy their look. 

@mneeley490 posted:

Ah, no. I was referring to the ones currently on their website for $5K+. You and the other collectors here are obviously much more knowledgeable about watches than I.  I have a small collection of mainly Hamilton, Elgin, Bulova, & Gruen; things I can pick up from ebay. And truth be told, most are too small for the size of my wrist. I'm just an art deco-style enthusiast of watches, buildings, furnishings, and barware, and I just enjoy their look. 

Ah, I see. 

If you don’t know oldetimers.com in London check them out. They should be right in your sweet spot. 

Buy with confidence.

W+A

@wine+art posted:

Exactly. Trump is not and has never been a republican. As a lifelong republican myself I never thought I would see tariffs again from the party as history has shown that Hoover and his tariffs ( Smoot Hawley) played a major role in the Great Depression. Also, the Federal Reserve has stated that as of September 2019 Trump’s tariffs cost the American consumer $7.1B in additional cost and displaced 100’s of thousands of American workers. Keep in mind, this doesn’t include the largest ever giveaway of taxpayers money Trump had to give farmers due to his idiocy on trade. Please keep in mind, this was free money ( taxpayers) that will never be repaid as opposed to the automobile industry which was repaid. 

Also, Trump has added to the federal deficit like a drunk sailor prior to the pandemic. It seems the current Republican Party is all talk about deficit spending until they are in power. As a fiscal conservative I don’t have a clue who this party is anymore. 

As you know, B, I can’t stand Hillary Clinton, but she has nothing to do with what this fraud and conman is doing and has done. Nothing. 

ditto, my entire family have been life long republicans too. 

(btw the bank bailout was repaid and the auto bailout was pretty much lost, since nobody wants to buy GM cars) 

But the way this economy is run is just absolutely atrocious.  The mishandling of everything in this economy has forced the fed and congress to pump almost 1/3 of last years GDP into the market.  They borrowed from future generations just to pay for the idiot in chiefs fuck ups.  Our kids and grand kids and their kids will forever be paying for all this debt that this current administration has borrowed.

Trump is on pace to double our total national deficit since when he took office.  This year our yearly deficit will double the highest deficit ever recorded.  Our next years deficit is projected to be the second highest deficit ever recorded.  

This incompetent administration filled with nepotism and incapable hires, can only see at best 1 move forward, the rest of the world is playing us 3 or 4 moves ahead.  The only thing this administration is good at, is lining their own pockets on behalf of tax payers.

If there ever was a time to quote the proverb "for want of a nail ... " this would be it.

@flwino posted:

You are a jerk.  Hitting, shoving, tripping etc. are all the same.  They accosted him.  They injured him, they should have treated him.   7 years would provide enough time for them to think about what they did.  Too bad the tax payers will have to pay for the lawsuit.

Go drink some ripple.  Try posting on wine threads some time, and say something smart, VS your total idiot crap

No idea how the “y” got into lie... not important. Why  does the man get to slap the cops forearm? A little,shove.  No one care to address the police officer being killed?  You all are a sad group.  All think the same.  Look how the social media idiots made Drew Brees and his wife cave.  SAD!

G-man wrote:

..... Trump is on pace to double our total national deficit since when he took office.  This year our yearly deficit will double the highest deficit ever recorded.  Our next years deficit is projected to be the second highest deficit ever recorded.  

This incompetent administration filled with nepotism and incapable hires, can only see at best 1 move forward, the rest of the world is playing us 3 or 4 moves ahead.  The only thing this administration is good at, is lining their own pockets on behalf of taxpayers."

Maybe if the IRS would collect taxes and go after scofflaws we'd be in better shape.

https://www.yahoo.com/money/re...o-irs-125447531.html

(Sent in my taxes for 2019 yesterday).

@napacat posted:  Look how the social media idiots made Drew Brees and his wife cave.  SAD!

Brees rightly acknowledged that he got his facts wrong as the kneeling never had anything to do with the flag or the military. 

But why let facts get in the way when lies and misinformation allow Trump to further divide the country and turn Americans against one another? 

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