Also, if you are protesting peacefully, but see looting and do nothing to stop it, you are complicit. 

Yup.  Kinda like the other cops who stand by or look the other way when their colleague is doing something wrong.

Also, if you are protesting peacefully, but see looting and do nothing to stop it, you are complicit. 

Yes, you need to get into a fight with them and ignore your own safety. Huh?

Exactly. They are all complicit. But right now, in cities everywhere, cops aren't the problem. What you and I see happening is criminal behavior in the name of George Lloyd. I marched Thursday and Friday nights in Sacramento in support of him and others and to stop police actions like his murder. The crowd around me was mostly peaceful; then turned violent when night fell. I won't march again, but I hope you will. 

The crowd around me was mostly peaceful; then turned violent when night fell. I won't march again, but I hope you will. 

Serious question, what did you do when things turned violent?  Other than calling the police, I can't imagine anything a civilian could or should do when this happens.

PH

Exactly. They are all complicit. But right now, in cities everywhere, cops aren't the problem. What you and I see happening is criminal behavior in the name of George Lloyd. I marched Thursday and Friday nights in Sacramento in support of him and others and to stop police actions like his murder. The crowd around me was mostly peaceful; then turned violent when night fell. I won't march again, but I hope you will. 

Why didn't you get into a fight with them to stop it? I guess you're complicit. Tisk tisk.

@purplehaze posted:

Serious question, what did you do when things turned violent?  Other than calling the police, I can't imagine anything a civilian could or should do when this happens.

PH

I’m speculating by definition provided by Arsenal, Arsenal was complicit.

TOM - I left before the rioting started. You could see it building up. But I'm sure you were out there too protecting your 1st and 2nd amendment rights, or were you sitting smugly in front of your TV and cheering the rioters on?

TOM - I left before the rioting started. You could see it building up. But I'm sure you were out there too protecting your 1st and 2nd amendment rights, or were you sitting smugly in front of your TV and cheering the rioters on?

I have written about the sadness I am experiencing seeing the rioting. And you suggest I cheer them on? Go fuck yourself. You make the idiotic statement that the protesters are supposed to get into fights with looters and this is the best way you think you can get out of what you said?

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GO FUCK yourself TOM. And become part of the solution instead of the problem. I marched in support; did you? 

That's the best you got? Could you please explain how I am a part of the problem? I hope you're not saying that one has to go out and protest or they're part of a problem. You can't be that stupid can you?

BTW, I only used the expletive when you made scurrilous suggestion that I support the rioters. What's your excuse?

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As I said before, GO FUCK yourself. You are either fat and lazy not to march, or you're just lazy. You sit in front of your computer and post shit when you could actually be doing something constructive. Then you post a disclaimer. I won't reply anymore to you, but I do hope you'll do something, anything, to make our country better, besides typing.

As I said before, GO FUCK yourself. You are either fat and lazy not to march, or you're just lazy. You sit in front of your computer and post shit when you could actually be doing something constructive. Then you post a disclaimer. I won't reply anymore to you, but I do hope you'll do something, anything, to make our country better, besides typing.

Again, you have to march, according to this genius, or you support the other side. And if you do march you're supposed to get into fights with people they're not just protesting. You sure are smart.

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Exactly. They are all complicit. But right now, in cities everywhere, cops aren't the problem. What you and I see happening is criminal behavior in the name of George Lloyd. I marched Thursday and Friday nights in Sacramento in support of him and others and to stop police actions like his murder. The crowd around me was mostly peaceful; then turned violent when night fell. I won't march again, but I hope you will. 

It's very convenient for you to adjust your timeline to the protesters.  You can't solve one without having to solve the other.

Irony is a group of folks condemning a group called the anti facists but then at the same time trying to both suggest and implement martial law.  Also suggest the federal government use their military in putting down its citizens.  We call them facists and dictators when i was growing up.

@doubled posted:

Although I get the anger, I just don't get some of the indiscriminate destruction that most often benefit the community.  

Yep.  I get the anger and frustration.  But the rioting and looting is (1) counterproductive to the cause and (2) outright immoral.  (As immoral as murdering a cuffed man by kneeling on his neck?  Of course not.  But that doesn't make it acceptable.)

Ironic that 45 called the Governors 'weak' as he sits in a bunker with the lights off, hiding from the multiple crises going on all around him.  

@g-man posted:

Irony is a group of folks condemning a group called the anti facists but then at the same time trying to both suggest and implement martial law.  Also suggest the federal government use their military in putting down its citizens.  We call them facists and dictators when i was growing up.

Well, Antifa is terrible.  It doesn't matter the name.  But it is a very loosely associated group of mostly white far-left violent and semi-violent radicals and anarchists.  They have been doing (usually anonymous) violence for stupid reasons for years.  But, there is no power structure nor can any one thing be ascribed to all its members.

On the other hand, Tom Cotton just suggested we violate American and international crimes against humanity law and call in our military and give protesters "no quarter".  Jesus. Where are real anti-Fascists with actual power when you need them?

@winetarelli posted:

Well, Antifa is terrible.  It doesn't matter the name.  But it is a very loosely associated group of mostly white far-left violent and semi-violent radicals and anarchists.  They have been doing (usually anonymous) violence for stupid reasons for years.  But, there is no power structure nor can any one thing be ascribed to all its members.

On the other hand, Tom Cotton just suggested we violate American and international crimes against humanity law and call in our military and give protesters "no quarter".  Jesus. Where are real anti-Fascists with actual power when you need them?

Read some info that far right groups are also involved in the destruction, for example the Boogaloo Bois. But who knows?  

@patespo1 posted:

‘Time to show some real force and end this’?  What exactly does that mean? 

That simply means...shut this nonsense down.  With a show of military force if need be and arrest these rioters and looters and arsonists.  

@g-man posted:

https://www.goerie.com/news/20...s-national-attention

mace her, kick her over, then kick away her water bottle.  class.

And to napacat, you have shown some incredible stupidity these past few months.

It's called the second amendment.  This protest is literally engrained in our constitution.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Publi...ns_join_forces_with/

Also veterans don't fuck around 

It is so hard to discuss anything with people who only have a this or that approach.  When did I even condone the kicking of a young girl protesting?  Protesting is fine.  Violence, looting and setting things ablaze is not protesting.  Once you cross the line from protesting to breaking the law...you should be arrested. 

These police officers in cities across the U.S do a remarkable job every day.  They are generally dealing with the worst of society on a daily basis.  They want to get home safely to their families...I'll give me benefit of the doubt to an officer of the law way before letting a group of people loot and burn our cities.

Crazy. We had a couple white guys w full mask and suit with out of state plates fortunately pulled over but they ran and are holed up in a local motel.  In the car was crowbars, explosives and guns.  

Ny protests have been very peaceful but it seems there is a segment of the alt right that wants to mess it up for the rest of us

@napacat posted:

It is so hard to discuss anything with people who only have a this or that approach.  When did I even condone the kicking of a young girl protesting?  Protesting is fine.  Violence, looting and setting things ablaze is not protesting.  Once you cross the line from protesting to breaking the law...you should be arrested. 

Pot meet kettle.

Oh and these were cops who kicked over the young girl sitting there because there was mace in her eyes.  They also kicked away her water btl she was using to wash her eyes out.

 

But i dont expect an ignorant fool like you to actually read the whole story before spewing your bullshit all over.  Set up a fertilizer farm. You might get some buyers finally.

@g-man posted:

Crazy. We had a couple white guys w full mask and suit with out of state plates fortunately pulled over but they ran and are holed up in a local motel.  In the car was crowbars, explosives and guns.  

Ny protests have been very peaceful but it seems there is a segment of the alt right that wants to mess it up for the rest of us

But but but I thought all the violence and destruction was Antifa and the radical left?!  You mean right-wing yahoos are also causing trouble?  Quick, someone tell the President and the AG so they can spring into action against them!

@bman posted:

But but but I thought all the violence and destruction was Antifa and the radical left?!  You mean right-wing yahoos are also causing trouble?  Quick, someone tell the President and the AG so they can spring into action against them!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...-Floyd-protests.html

More than a few are ingrained in the system.

The more i see this the more i feel all police unions should be abolished.

@patespo1 posted:

Ironic that 45 called the Governors 'weak' as he sits in a bunker with the lights off, hiding from the multiple crises going on all around him.  

#bunkerbaby

@g-man posted:

#bunkerbaby

On a conference call with governors today, ours (who I didn’t vote for but don’t really dislike either) called out the “president” for his rhetoric. The orange shitstain retorted that   During the Covid crisis, he didn’t care for his rhetoric either. Worthless, idiotic child. Really tough talk from a pussy who had daddy pay off a doctor to keep him from the draft pool.

Police just moved out peaceful protesters with gas and rubber bullets, in Washington DC, so that the racist in charge of our country can go over to the church across the street for a photo op.

Pathetic little man posing with his favorite book, the Bible. I'm not making this up.

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@The Old Man posted:

Police just moved out peaceful protesters with gas and rubber bullets, in Washington DC, so that the racist in charge of our country can go over to the church across the street for a photo op.

Pathetic little man posing with his favorite book, the Bible. I'm not making this up.

Peaceful  protesters just had teargas and rubber bullets fired at them. 

Trump holding a bible in front of a church? What did this reality TV moment cost this country as the country and world laughs? 

@The Old Man posted:

Police just moved out peaceful protesters with gas and rubber bullets, in Washington DC, so that the racist in charge of our country can go over to the church across the street for a photo op.

Pathetic little man posing with his favorite book, the Bible. I'm not making this up.

Favorite book? That bastard isn’t even remotely a Christian! 

I was hoping my sarcasm was obvious. This man is a reality show clown and is using a church and a Bible, something he really has nothing to do with, as props.

@The Old Man posted:

I was hoping my sarcasm was obvious. This man is a reality show clown and is using a church and a Bible, something he really has nothing to do with, as props.

He called out the US Military to fire rubber bullets and teargas what was clearly a peaceful protest  so he could walk to a church for a photo op? 

A reality TV president who doesn’t want to talk about America leading the world in both cases and deaths with the virus, the murder of a man caught on video and he has his photo op with an all white team standing next to him. 

Now reports saying Trump so upset about the world knowing he went to the bunker to hide so he pulled this stunt. It was so quickly planned that even the Secret Service was caught off guard and were clearing roofs literally minutes before the orange pumpkin rolled down the street. 

A law & order president. Never mind about the law & order of police murdering a man for 8 minutes as the camera rolled. 

Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, who I think is a big macher in the Episcopalian Dioceses of Washington, is expressing her shock that a building and items of her faith were used not to promote faith or community, but division.  Though not using the word I believe she's accusing him of blasphemy for trying to bend a religion to his political needs. She's pissed. I'm afraid there's a chance that today's shit-show is a test for using the military if Trump loses, or looks like he's going to lose, the election. Everyday this paranoiac idea seems more possible.

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@g-man posted:

Crazy. We had a couple white guys w full mask and suit with out of state plates fortunately pulled over but they ran and are holed up in a local motel.  In the car was crowbars, explosives and guns.  

Ny protests have been very peaceful but it seems there is a segment of the alt right that wants to mess it up for the rest of us

Sure MSNBC g-man...blame it on the alt right.  Do you have a TV?  Eyes? Or do you just go with marching orders...you sad TOOL.   How do you like your city being destroyed?  Weak minded liberal loser.  Look at these young morons using a cellphone to commemorate their actions...more losers.  

You liberals have a mental disorder.  I hope President Trump  keeps his word and uses the Military tomorrow.  Crush these losers!   Your mayor and governor are a complete disgrace.  Unequipped to handle C-19 or this.  Disgusting.   

@bman posted:

But but but I thought all the violence and destruction was Antifa and the radical left?!  You mean right-wing yahoos are also causing trouble?  Quick, someone tell the President and the AG so they can spring into action against them!

No one is picking sides on who is causing this...shut it down no matter who it is.

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