Did you think I was saying that there would not be any increase in crime when you release prisoners early? I never said anything like that. Very common for you to take on things which I never said. The OP stated that there is "major havoc"and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults" in Washington State. He gives no backup for the claim and then refers me to movies from before the pandemic. I looked through the internet and also could not find any statistics. You respond by giving me and on related single incident. I'm sorry but it doesn't show anything about havoc in a rampage of crimes in Washington state from the pandemic.

I wish I didn't take the time to respond to you. But your comments are, here I go,  usually not as clever as you think.

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@The Old Man posted:

Did you think I was saying that there would not be any increase in crime when you release prisoners early? I never said anything like that. Very common for you to take on things which I never said. The OP stated that there is "major havoc"and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults" in Washington State. He gives no backup for the claim and then refers me to movies from before the pandemic. I looked through the internet and also could not find any statistics. You respond by giving me and on related single incident. I'm sorry but it doesn't show anything about havoc in a rampage of crimes in Washington state from the pandemic.

I wish I didn't take the time to respond to you. But your comments are, here I go,  usually not as clever as you think.

I think that family of the person murdered would consider that major havoc. This is not Washington state specific. It's in general.  Very bad principal to release prisoners.  Complete link here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...onavirus-murder.html

Also shows you did not read the article...since my link was incomplete.  I'm surprised this happened in FL.  What goes through a person's mind that makes them think it is a good idea to release prisoners?  The poor family.  I will also have to search as I know this happened somewhere else to a girl.  

@napacat posted:

I think that family of the person murdered would consider that major havoc. Of course it is, but a single incident is not what the OP was referring to. Any death is sad, but to the public at large a single death is not "major havoc" nor does it prove that there is "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults."

This is not Washington state specific. And WE were talking about Washington state.

It's in general.  Very bad principal to release prisoners. Who said it's not? Not me, so who are you talking to? I think governors are dealing with an unprecedented crisis. It's not helped by having decades of over-crowded prisons because the US have the highest percentage of incarcerated people in the world.

  Complete link here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...onavirus-murder.html

Also shows you did not read the article...since my link was incomplete. It worked fine for me so again what are you talking about?  I'm surprised this happened in FL.  I saw it was in FL, that's why I said you were off topic. What goes through a person's mind that makes them think it is a good idea to release prisoners?  I don't know.

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@napacat posted:

And how about that new press secretary.  She's a ball of fire.  That briefing today showing the press the questions they should be asking was right on point and very entertaining.

The President's new press secretary is brilliant.  She held up for all to see Mr. Trump's check, whereby he donates his salary to some worthy entity, showing to the world his account number and routing number.  Gives a whole new meaning to the concept of a moron.

She may be a "ball of fire" but she is likely to flame out quite quickly with mistakes like this.

@mneeley490 posted:

If you, TOM, were in the widget-making business, and you stated that there has been a major uptick in the sale of widgets, I, not knowing much about widgets or even being involved with them, would very likely take your word for it. I am in this business.

Widgets are not as important as "major havoc" and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults." However, if you doubted my widget sales during the pandemic (they're used to make PPE as you know) it would take me about one minute to generate a report on my sales. Also since we're talking about my current sales I would not keep referring you look at my last year's, or even earlier, annual reports from TOM Widgets Inc.

I think all the people outraged at the silent protests by NFL players in recent seasons better buckle up come this fall.

@billhike posted:

I think all the people outraged at the silent protests by NFL players in recent seasons better buckle up come this fall.

Peacefully protest, get blackballed.  Protest the killing of a black man by 4 cops in broad daylight, 45 threatens to shoot you.  But if you're a white terrorist with an AR-15 at the state capital building, 45 supports you.  Nov. 3rd can't come fast enough

If you want the a-hole out on Nov 3, people in swing states need to come out and vote.   Legal experts and activists need to counter the voter suppression that will likely occur in those swing states.  Everyone needs to do their part.  

@doubled posted:

If you want the a-hole out on Nov 3, people in swing states need to come out and vote.   Legal experts and activists need to counter the voter suppression that will likely occur in those swing states.  Everyone needs to do their part.  

Not just that. You need to actively campaign for Biden. Volunteer to canvas door to door or in a phone bank. Talk to your friends and explain why Trump must be defeated. Be armed with facts and stats. Donate money. Talk to your undecided neighbours. Etc etc. 

The Racist in Chief, "When the looting starts the shooting starts." Looting is wrong but nowhere in the US are police officers allowed to execute looters before they're even arrested. The WH tries to defend this "clever" rhyme by saying, "The President did not glorify violence. He clearly condemned it."

You know, the old, don't believe what you read, this is what you read.

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@bman posted:

Of course. It's completely wrong. What's your point?  

Just checking...no mention yet.    That is one disturbing video to watch.  How in the world did the other officer's not try to make that guy stop.  Really disgusting.  This was more disturbing to see than the jogger in GA.  Tragic...

@bman posted:

Of course. It's completely wrong. What's your point?  

Interesting that his first post about the Milwaukee troubles was about the riots, not the murder of an unresisting handcuffed black man.  

PH

@napacat posted:

Just checking...no mention yet.    That is one disturbing video to watch.  How in the world did the other officer's not try to make that guy stop.  Really disgusting.  This was more disturbing to see than the jogger in GA.  Tragic...

Rioters and looters are criminals. Their efforts would have been better spent finding the murdering scumbag cop and his POS partners from the scene and stringing them up in the street. How’s that?

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@purplehaze posted:

Interesting that his first post about the Milwaukee troubles was about the riots, not the murder of an unresisting handcuffed black man.  

PH

Ditto!

Also, the actions taken is what is required for a justified response all too often, unfortunately. You didn’t see the governor calling major press conferences prior to the outbreak. You didn’t hear or read from the racist in the Oval Office calling the governor or mayor prior to the outbreak. 

The racist in the Oval Office fans the flame, uses inflammatory words and recommends shooting law breakers ( not arresting) as opposed to say... calling the Floyd family, working with authorities prior to an outbreak to see if the justice department can assist and have a calming voice and telling the city justice would be done. 

I will be interesting to see what the 18 prior complaints were against the officer and why the other officers didn’t intervene. 

So Billhike thinks it would be better that  rioter's "efforts would have been better spent finding the murdering scumbag cop and his POS partners from the scene and stringing them up in the street."  And you all agree with that?

Why would anyone else have to agree? They are my words. The cops in question are subhuman garbage who make every good police officer’s job that much more difficult. There is absolutely no justification for their vile actions. F them.

Are you ok with the “president’s” tweet about shooting looters, or are you buying into his pathetic attempt at walking it back? 

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So Billhike thinks it would be better that  rioter's "efforts would have been better spent finding the murdering scumbag cop and his POS partners from the scene and stringing them up in the street."  And you all agree with that?

Now that is interesting. You take issue with a faceless, powerless person on a wine forum, yet say nothing about the most powerful person in the world saying shoot the looters. 🤣😂🤣

Talk about zero credibility...

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Actually, I just asked if anyone else agreed with Billhike's suggestion. I guess I got your answer above. Anybody else want to reply? Would like to hear from the lawyers on this Forum (Irwin, others?)

Actually, I don’t see a single answer to your question other than Bill’s. I’m glad you find that satisfactory. 

Looks like protesters in multiple cities this evening as the orange pile of dung writes executive orders against Twitter.🤣😂😅

No one can ever argue the POS ( Dump, not you arsenal) has his priorities in order. 

So Billhike thinks it would be better that  rioter's "efforts would have been better spent finding the murdering scumbag cop and his POS partners from the scene and stringing them up in the street."  And you all agree with that?

I agree with billhike more often than not, however I disagree with him on this. As much as I do agree that the cop who was directly responsible and the 3 others who did nothing to stop him are total Ps of S, we are a nation of laws and the legal system should deal with lawbreakers whether they be civilians, cops or presidents.  

PH

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PurpleHaze - I agree with you completely. You wrote exactly how I hope all people feel. We are a nation of laws. No matter how heinous the crime, all people deserve their time in court. Hopefully people won't act out what Billhike suggested and become vigilantes.

 

PurpleHaze - I agree with you completely. You wrote exactly how I hope all people feel. We are a nation of laws. No matter how heinous the crime, all people deserve their time in court. Hopefully people won't act out what Billhike suggested and become vigilantes.

 

... Or Trump’s assertion of “ the shooting starts.” That is so very law abiding. 

@purplehaze posted:

I agree with billhike more often than not, however I disagree with him on this. As much as I do agree that the cop who was directly responsible and the 3 others who did nothing to stop him are total Ps of S, we are a nation of laws and the legal system should deal with lawbreakers whether they be civilians, cops or presidents.  

PH

There's a certain level of morality that I hope all of my fellow Americans share.  There's also this other thing called common sense.  We shoot the shit on a forum because it's a forum and we should.  The president of the US telling when the looting starts, the shooting starts and has a few tweets before and after talking about inept local govt and how the national guard is coming in is an entirely different level.

So on that note, I will throw it out, where are all the 2A folks that were oh so worried about big federal government restricting our freedoms.  Military rolls in, that's curfew.  Isnt the point of the 2A exactly to stop this?  Your grievances are no longer heard, so you get out en masse on the streets.  I recall the boston tea party involved some destruction of property also.

Also, did anybody see the false flag planting by the yet to be determined cop with an umbrella and a hammer breaking down t he glass at the autozone that folks were blaming the looters?

Actually, I just asked if anyone else agreed with Billhike's suggestion. I guess I got your answer above. Anybody else want to reply? Would like to hear from the lawyers on this Forum (Irwin, others?)

not sure what the question is.  I am sure that 100% of us think that murder is wrong.  I am sure that 100% of us think it is wrong when it is a drug dealer killing a drug dealer, or a drug dealer shooting a gun and having the bullet hit a passerby, or when a police officer, acting under color of law, kills someone.

Now, it seems that Mr. Floyd was a suspect in a non-violent crime, namely trying to pass a false $20 bill.  The video that I have seen shows him walking calmly while restrained with handcuffs before, for some reason unknown to me, he is on the ground, with a cop's foot on his neck.  I don't practice criminal law in MInnesota, but, I am confident in saying that Mr. Floyd's alleged crime is not punishable by death in Minnesota, or any sort of physical punishment.

From what I have observed with Baltimore City police officers in court and otherwise, if a police officer were to testify that the planets go around the sun, I'm not sure I'd believe him.  Of course, there are some police officers who are good people, and one should not throw out the whole barrel of apples if one apple is rotten.  But some police forces are so corrupt and rotten that fumigating the orchard is the correct approach.

I disagree that the officers in question here in Minnesota should be tracked down by vigilantes and summarily executed.  I think they should be tried first, and if convicted, should be placed in cages and wheeled around the city so that citizens can throw eggs and rotten tomatoes at them, and then piss on them.  You could charge a few bucks for this privilege and raise some funds for a good cause.  Then, the cops should be taken out an summarily executed.

Look...these killings of black men in custody have been going on for a long time. It's just that recently there has sometimes been cellphone video.  Does any rational person think that these in custody killings commenced with the advent of cellphones? 

That's kinda what I think at this moment of anger and disgust.

I don't support rioters and looters.  I think that reaction, by people who perceive that they have no power other than to do this to make a statement, is a terrible thing.  These people should be educated to register to vote, run for office, and overthrow the system from within.

 

 

 

@irwin posted:

not sure what the question is.  I am sure that 100% of us think that murder is wrong.  I am sure that 100% of us think it is wrong when it is a drug dealer killing a drug dealer, or a drug dealer shooting a gun and having the bullet hit a passerby, or when a police officer, acting under color of law, kills someone.

Now, it seems that Mr. Floyd was a suspect in a non-violent crime, namely trying to pass a false $20 bill.  The video that I have seen shows him walking calmly while restrained with handcuffs before, for some reason unknown to me, he is on the ground, with a cop's foot on his neck.  I don't practice criminal law in MInnesota, but, I am confident in saying that Mr. Floyd's alleged crime is not punishable by death in Minnesota, or any sort of physical punishment.

From what I have observed with Baltimore City police officers in court and otherwise, if a police officer were to testify that the planets go around the sun, I'm not sure I'd believe him.  Of course, there are some police officers who are good people, and one should not throw out the whole barrel of apples if one apple is rotten.  But some police forces are so corrupt and rotten that fumigating the orchard is the correct approach.

I disagree that the officers in question here in Minnesota should be tracked down by vigilantes and summarily executed.  I think they should be tried first, and if convicted, should be placed in cages and wheeled around the city so that citizens can throw eggs and rotten tomatoes at them, and then piss on them.  You could charge a few bucks for this privilege and raise some funds for a good cause.  Then, the cops should be taken out an summarily executed.

Look...these killings of black men in custody have been going on for a long time. It's just that recently there has sometimes been cellphone video.  Does any rational person think that these in custody killings commenced with the advent of cellphones? 

That's kinda what I think at this moment of anger and disgust.

I don't support rioters and looters.  I think that reaction, by people who perceive that they have no power other than to do this to make a statement, is a terrible thing.  These people should be educated to register to vote, run for office, and overthrow the system from within.

 

 

 

Best thing I've read in a very long time. Especially the last para. 

If you read the most recent tweets of the “president”, he seems to be daring protesters to escalate, and claims that the SS agents are clamoring for action.

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