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The Kamala Harris problem for the Democrats is that if they do not nominate her, they will anger women voters and Black voters.  If they do nominate her, well, she is tied to Biden, and doesn't seem all that popular.  But, we have time until 2024 don't we?  Maybe inflation will be tamed, gas prices will go down, world peace will be achieved, and climate change will be halted in its tracks. Maybe covid and monkey pox will be in the rear view mirror and the drought in the western US will be ameliorated with consistent off and on showers, not too much to cause mud slides, but enough to fill reservoirs.  Maybe the airlines will cease losing luggage and delaying flights. Maybe people will use guns solely for self-protection and there will no longer be mass shootings.

But, maybe not.

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The only Republican who can probably lose the 2024 race is Trump.  The folks who voted against him are probably not going to switch teams and vote for him in the next election.  They were given the choice, and they chose Biden over Trump, many because it was a matter of "anybody but Trump".  I doubt these voters will say "Gee, Trump will do better than Biden if we give him another chance."

If Ron DeSantis runs and Trump does not, I think he's the next President.

Of course, a lot of things can happen between now and November 2024.

Gotta admit I'm loving the reactions from mayors of Democratic-run cities like DC, NYC, Chicago etc. that are receiving bus loads and plane loads of migrants from the border. NYC has received 11000; and Adams said that NYC is at a breaking point.  Bowser in DC declared a state of emergency. No mention of the 2 million that have arrived at our border in the past year, with TX, AZ facing the brunt and expense. So cool that the VP got some today; especially after she said Sunday that the border is 'secure'. I like the idea of spreading the pain around.

Gotta admit I'm loving the reactions from mayors of Democratic-run cities like DC, NYC, Chicago etc. that are receiving bus loads and plane loads of migrants from the border. NYC has received 11000; and Adams said that NYC is at a breaking point.  Bowser in DC declared a state of emergency. No mention of the 2 million that have arrived at our border in the past year, with TX, AZ facing the brunt and expense. So cool that the VP got some today; especially after she said Sunday that the border is 'secure'. I like the idea of spreading the pain around.

2mm is a border encounter, not actually making it into the country.  If you've ever seen 2 million people in a location, you'd know there are no holding pens in this entire country that can house that many people for processing.

These people that are being bussed around the country are legal migrants, those with family members in places like florida, and they're literally being flown back to their families.

This is at best political grandstanding and obviously a huge waste of tax payers monies.

The entire state of this country has devolved into, "for me to get elected it's just easier for me to rile up my base and say the other side sucks"

What would your suggestion be?  Build a wall?  Are you going to start dedicating 100 billion a year to man such wall?  Another waste of tax payers monies.

Regardless in terms of the actual migration numbers, Florida, California, Texas and NY are the four leading states in receiving out of country migrants.  They all have appropriate plans to handle border entry at expected border entry points, shipping 10k migrants to random spots throughout a city unannounced is neither good governance, nor appropriate in expecting any city to handle an unexpected influx of migrants that were processed in a different way by another state.

Also another fun number, Cali, New Jersey, NY, Florida have the largest percentage of foreign born population living in the state, so no, "democrat cities" don't have an issue in handling migrants esp since migrants are more likely to end up in democrat cities anyway.

We are now suffering a labor shortage by increasing magnitude every year.  Our immigration policies have the past 2 decades have only allowed folks with PHDs into the country.  We have an aging workforce population and potentially will soon suffer the likes of Japan/Korea with no young labor work force being able to pick up the starting job slack.  Sounds like a really great way to handle all immigration.

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Gotta admit I'm loving the reactions from mayors of Democratic-run cities like DC, NYC, Chicago etc. that are receiving bus loads and plane loads of migrants from the border. NYC has received 11000; and Adams said that NYC is at a breaking point.  Bowser in DC declared a state of emergency. No mention of the 2 million that have arrived at our border in the past year, with TX, AZ facing the brunt and expense. So cool that the VP got some today; especially after she said Sunday that the border is 'secure'. I like the idea of spreading the pain around.

Not surprised, but disappointed, that some here take pleasure in the misery of refugees and other migrants.  My career included interviewing hundreds of refugees from around the world, mostly in Central America but also in Asia and elsewhere.  The migrants are real people on the move because they feel they have no other options, something most of us would do if we were in their situations.  The pain is being felt by them and them alone.

The post above reminds me of something I saw a few years ago, shared below, with the key point in bold:

"The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."

The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."

The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"
The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."
The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."
The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ′′You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?"
The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"
The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
When ignorance screams, intelligence moves on...
@bman posted:

Not surprised, but disappointed, that some here take pleasure in the misery of refugees and other migrants.  My career included interviewing hundreds of refugees from around the world, mostly in Central America but also in Asia and elsewhere.  The migrants are real people on the move because they feel they have no other options, something most of us would do if we were in their situations.  The pain is being felt by them and them alone.



Still gotta post the history about it.  This stunt is exactly the same kind of stunt during the civil rights era in the US.  called reverse freedom rides.  The fact that a bunch of boomers and thei proteges are taking the same page the KKK did back in the 50s is not lost on me.

@g-man posted:

Still gotta post the history about it.  This stunt is exactly the same kind of stunt during the civil rights era in the US.  called reverse freedom rides.  The fact that a bunch of boomers and thei proteges are taking the same page the KKK did back in the 50s is not lost on me.

They should charge Desantis and the like with human trafficking

A political stunt during an election year? Who would have thought it? Kind of like declaring yourself a sanctuary city for migrants (NYC, Chicago) or a sanctuary state (MA) and then crying for federal aid when some actually show up. Hypocrisy? the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

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I mean nothing you say goes against the point that these are actual people that are being used as a political talking point.  Hypocrisy is saying to care about life but ruin those that are looking for a better one.



And it is quite sad that all you can think about is political talking points



Easier to treat humans badly by labelling them things like illegals and migrants right?

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So you miss the point, or decide not to consider it, that the cities/ states involved are SANCTUARY STATES and should WELCOME migrants? Way to change the storyline, but I'm not surprised. Hypocrisy runs deep in both political parties.

Typical Gooner popping off brainlessly without doing any research.  Massachusetts isn’t a sanctuary state, and Martha’s Vineyard is not one of the 8 cities in MA that have proclaimed themselves to be sanctuary cities.  

DeathSantis could’ve very easily overpaid the coyote to take the asylum applicants to Boston, but instead he pulled the political stunt of dropping them off in Martha’s Vineyard instead.  While such political theater just makes the entrenched base happy, it does the opposite amongst swing voters/independents.  

As usual, your inability to read the top results of a simple search query of “is Massachusetts a sanctuary state” confirms once again that Gooners are morons:

https://www.nbcboston.com/news...tuary-state/2835474/

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston...ts-marthas-vineyard/

While the definition of “sanctuary state” could be debated, what is not debatable is your boneheaded contention that Martha’s Vineyard is a sanctuary city.  If DeathSantis wants to grift Florida taxpayers for the “benefit” of the asylum seekers, he could’ve chosen to have his overpriced coyote transport them to any of the 8 cities in MA that have declared themselves as sanctuary cities.

So you miss the point, or decide not to consider it, that the cities/ states involved are SANCTUARY STATES and should WELCOME migrants? Way to change the storyline, but I'm not surprised. Hypocrisy runs deep in both political parties.

I bolded where you mention the cities involved are sanctuary states.  Martha’s Vineyard has zero sanctuary status.  

At least you’re realistic about the likelihood of ARSE remaining atop the table at the end of the campaign.  Will be interesting to see if they can maintain their form and qualify for a CL spot.  

Forgot to mention that I rep the Blues.  KTBFFH!

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What other “cities/states involved” would you be referring to besides MV?

Didn’t realize my edit went through.  Chelsea’s form thus far in both the PL and CL has been far from acceptable.  Started to support them when Shevchenko joined after the 2006 World Cup.  Of course, he was meh for the the Blues, but I stuck with them.  They’ve done better than alright since then.

TOT has a formidable front line.  Could very well be yet another year of you lot pining for St Totteringham’s day……

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I like what Arsenal's done; especially giving Arteta a chance to build his squad. They are young and hopefully can only improve. I became a fan while working in London in the mid 90s. One of my colleagues took me to a match at Highbury and I became an instant fan. Arsenal4ever was the name of his webpage that he ran. He passed from cancer at 38, so I honor him.  I've seen about 10 matches in England, including one at Stamford Bridge.

Chicago, DC, and NYC I specifically mentioned, since their mayors were crying about needing federal money to offset the migrant costs and how their services were being affected.

Cheers

Martha's Vineyard was chosen specifically as a political stunt.  It's where the Clintons used to go when they were in the White House; it's where the Obamas went also.  It is where the Kennedy's would go.  An island where Democrats would flock for many years under Democratic administrations, and it's wealthy and thus considered as elitist and New England snobbish.

Maybe the next "freedom flight" will take some refugees to Nantucket, or Block Island, or Cuttyhunk, or maybe the Hamptons.

I like what Arsenal's done; especially giving Arteta a chance to build his squad. They are young and hopefully can only improve. I became a fan while working in London in the mid 90s. One of my colleagues took me to a match at Highbury and I became an instant fan. Arsenal4ever was the name of his webpage that he ran. He passed from cancer at 38, so I honor him.  I've seen about 10 matches in England, including one at Stamford Bridge.

Chicago, DC, and NYC I specifically mentioned, since their mayors were crying about needing federal money to offset the migrant costs and how their services were being affected.

Cheers

+1. Touching story. And I think your friend would love, and I have, what Arteta has done to the team. Go Arsenal go!

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Not trying to start a major political discussion, but, like you, I’ve seen and heard lots of TV and radio ads relating to the upcoming elections.

I’ve seen some ads where Republicans say they are opposed to inflation and want to bring down prices.  Democratic ads say that they, too, are opposed to high prices and want to bring them down.

I have not yet seen or heard an ad where the politicians say that they are in favor of high prices or even higher prices.

It is certainly good that everyone agrees on this.  Prices are sure to plummet after the election.

@irwin posted:

Not trying to start a major political discussion, but, like you, I’ve seen and heard lots of TV and radio ads relating to the upcoming elections.

I’ve seen some ads where Republicans say they are opposed to inflation and want to bring down prices.  Democratic ads say that they, too, are opposed to high prices and want to bring them down.

I have not yet seen or heard an ad where the politicians say that they are in favor of high prices or even higher prices.

It is certainly good that everyone agrees on this.  Prices are sure to plummet after the election.

Bipartisanship at its best! 

Meanwhile, here in Canada, the Conservative opposition party has taken to referring to "Justinflation".  Very clever, given the name of our Prime Minister, even though they offer no credible policies for reducing what everyone else calls merely inflation.

@irwin posted:

Not trying to start a major political discussion, but, like you, I’ve seen and heard lots of TV and radio ads relating to the upcoming elections.

I’ve seen some ads where Republicans say they are opposed to inflation and want to bring down prices.  Democratic ads say that they, too, are opposed to high prices and want to bring them down.

I have not yet seen or heard an ad where the politicians say that they are in favor of high prices or even higher prices.

It is certainly good that everyone agrees on this.  Prices are sure to plummet after the election.

I'm waiting on concrete points of actions by the republicans.

I was concerned when my local politician sent me a message telling me they're gonna wait until mid january before thinking about what to do about all the issues everyone is complaining about.

Which Toronto wine geek crashed the LCBO website/apps by hitting refresh repeatedly in Chrome yesterday at 8:29am, before a limited release product went live at 8:30am?

As I recall, the Sunshine List (those making more than $100K annually) has at least 20 people in IT at the LCBO who make more than $100K annually.  Not to mention the millions of dollars also spent on consulting firms... and the LCBO still can't prevent a security breach.  I'd be laughing if we, the taxpayers, weren't paying for all of this incompetence.

@darcy posted:

Which Toronto wine geek crashed the LCBO website/apps by hitting refresh repeatedly in Chrome yesterday at 8:29am, before a limited release product went live at 8:30am?

As I recall, the Sunshine List (those making more than $100K annually) has at least 20 people in IT at the LCBO who make more than $100K annually.  Not to mention the millions of dollars also spent on consulting firms... and the LCBO still can't prevent a security breach.  I'd be laughing if we, the taxpayers, weren't paying for all of this incompetence.

Hopefully there is a price correction to 2013 prices when they reboot...

Former President Donald Trump won a golf tournament at his club in Florida despite being in North Carolina. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...44f5998b8e64ba7436f7

Seriously, this is on par with Kim Jong-Il claiming he scored 11 holes in one on his very first game of golf.  Apparently Donald Trump is the all-time golf champion at all of this clubs, winning tournaments year after year.

Which makes me wonder:  Has Donald Trump ever participated in a golf tournament at a club that he didn't own?  If so, how'd he do?  And also:  Why would anyone else in his club bother playing in a tournament that they know is going to get thrown to the owner?

@Rothko posted:

Former President Donald Trump won a golf tournament at his club in Florida despite being in North Carolina.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...44f5998b8e64ba7436f7

Seriously, this is on par with Kim Jong-Il claiming he scored 11 holes in one on his very first game of golf.  Apparently Donald Trump is the all-time golf champion at all of this clubs, winning tournaments year after year.

Which makes me wonder:  Has Donald Trump ever participated in a golf tournament at a club that he didn't own?  If so, how'd he do?  And also:  Why would anyone else in his club bother playing in a tournament that they know is going to get thrown to the owner?

Is there any way his political modus operandi DOESN'T resemble Kim?

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