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The Kamala Harris problem for the Democrats is that if they do not nominate her, they will anger women voters and Black voters.  If they do nominate her, well, she is tied to Biden, and doesn't seem all that popular.  But, we have time until 2024 don't we?  Maybe inflation will be tamed, gas prices will go down, world peace will be achieved, and climate change will be halted in its tracks. Maybe covid and monkey pox will be in the rear view mirror and the drought in the western US will be ameliorated with consistent off and on showers, not too much to cause mud slides, but enough to fill reservoirs.  Maybe the airlines will cease losing luggage and delaying flights. Maybe people will use guns solely for self-protection and there will no longer be mass shootings.

But, maybe not.

The only Republican who can probably lose the 2024 race is Trump.  The folks who voted against him are probably not going to switch teams and vote for him in the next election.  They were given the choice, and they chose Biden over Trump, many because it was a matter of "anybody but Trump".  I doubt these voters will say "Gee, Trump will do better than Biden if we give him another chance."

If Ron DeSantis runs and Trump does not, I think he's the next President.

Of course, a lot of things can happen between now and November 2024.

Hell Rothko, a lot of things can happen between now and the mid-terms.  November 2024 is way, way down the road in politics.

Gotta admit I'm loving the reactions from mayors of Democratic-run cities like DC, NYC, Chicago etc. that are receiving bus loads and plane loads of migrants from the border. NYC has received 11000; and Adams said that NYC is at a breaking point.  Bowser in DC declared a state of emergency. No mention of the 2 million that have arrived at our border in the past year, with TX, AZ facing the brunt and expense. So cool that the VP got some today; especially after she said Sunday that the border is 'secure'. I like the idea of spreading the pain around.

@arsenal4ever posted:

Gotta admit I'm loving the reactions from mayors of Democratic-run cities like DC, NYC, Chicago etc. that are receiving bus loads and plane loads of migrants from the border. NYC has received 11000; and Adams said that NYC is at a breaking point.  Bowser in DC declared a state of emergency. No mention of the 2 million that have arrived at our border in the past year, with TX, AZ facing the brunt and expense. So cool that the VP got some today; especially after she said Sunday that the border is 'secure'. I like the idea of spreading the pain around.

2mm is a border encounter, not actually making it into the country.  If you've ever seen 2 million people in a location, you'd know there are no holding pens in this entire country that can house that many people for processing.

These people that are being bussed around the country are legal migrants, those with family members in places like florida, and they're literally being flown back to their families.

This is at best political grandstanding and obviously a huge waste of tax payers monies.

The entire state of this country has devolved into, "for me to get elected it's just easier for me to rile up my base and say the other side sucks"

What would your suggestion be?  Build a wall?  Are you going to start dedicating 100 billion a year to man such wall?  Another waste of tax payers monies.

Regardless in terms of the actual migration numbers, Florida, California, Texas and NY are the four leading states in receiving out of country migrants.  They all have appropriate plans to handle border entry at expected border entry points, shipping 10k migrants to random spots throughout a city unannounced is neither good governance, nor appropriate in expecting any city to handle an unexpected influx of migrants that were processed in a different way by another state.

Also another fun number, Cali, New Jersey, NY, Florida have the largest percentage of foreign born population living in the state, so no, "democrat cities" don't have an issue in handling migrants esp since migrants are more likely to end up in democrat cities anyway.

We are now suffering a labor shortage by increasing magnitude every year.  Our immigration policies have the past 2 decades have only allowed folks with PHDs into the country.  We have an aging workforce population and potentially will soon suffer the likes of Japan/Korea with no young labor work force being able to pick up the starting job slack.  Sounds like a really great way to handle all immigration.

and fyi, alot of your fellow winos in NYC have indeed started up charities or used their church to help these migrants find food/shelter and navigate the US bureaucracy.

@arsenal4ever posted:

Gotta admit I'm loving the reactions from mayors of Democratic-run cities like DC, NYC, Chicago etc. that are receiving bus loads and plane loads of migrants from the border. NYC has received 11000; and Adams said that NYC is at a breaking point.  Bowser in DC declared a state of emergency. No mention of the 2 million that have arrived at our border in the past year, with TX, AZ facing the brunt and expense. So cool that the VP got some today; especially after she said Sunday that the border is 'secure'. I like the idea of spreading the pain around.

Not surprised, but disappointed, that some here take pleasure in the misery of refugees and other migrants.  My career included interviewing hundreds of refugees from around the world, mostly in Central America but also in Asia and elsewhere.  The migrants are real people on the move because they feel they have no other options, something most of us would do if we were in their situations.  The pain is being felt by them and them alone.

The post above reminds me of something I saw a few years ago, shared below, with the key point in bold:

"The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."

The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."

@bman posted:

Not surprised, but disappointed, that some here take pleasure in the misery of refugees and other migrants.  My career included interviewing hundreds of refugees from around the world, mostly in Central America but also in Asia and elsewhere.  The migrants are real people on the move because they feel they have no other options, something most of us would do if we were in their situations.  The pain is being felt by them and them alone.

Still gotta post the history about it.  This stunt is exactly the same kind of stunt during the civil rights era in the US.  called reverse freedom rides.  The fact that a bunch of boomers and thei proteges are taking the same page the KKK did back in the 50s is not lost on me.

@g-man posted:

Still gotta post the history about it.  This stunt is exactly the same kind of stunt during the civil rights era in the US.  called reverse freedom rides.  The fact that a bunch of boomers and thei proteges are taking the same page the KKK did back in the 50s is not lost on me.

They should charge Desantis and the like with human trafficking

@patespo1 posted:

They should charge Desantis and the like with human trafficking

As a Floridian, I am truly pleased and grateful that my tax dollars are being used to send Venezuelan refugees from Texas to Martha's Vineyard.

The benefits of this program to the State of Florida and its residents are clear and obvious. 

If he were around today, WWJD and say with regards to migrants seeking asylum?

Sadly, this parody gets a fair amount of head nods from folks who support these red state governors’ stunts:

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan.../1570822428422705153

A political stunt during an election year? Who would have thought it? Kind of like declaring yourself a sanctuary city for migrants (NYC, Chicago) or a sanctuary state (MA) and then crying for federal aid when some actually show up. Hypocrisy? the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

I mean nothing you say goes against the point that these are actual people that are being used as a political talking point.  Hypocrisy is saying to care about life but ruin those that are looking for a better one.

And it is quite sad that all you can think about is political talking points

Easier to treat humans badly by labelling them things like illegals and migrants right?

Practically speaking. Good governance involves proper budgeting for services.  If the goal is to have northern states process immigrants from the southern border then indeed there should be a reallocation of federal funds given to texas and florida to the northern states

So you miss the point, or decide not to consider it, that the cities/ states involved are SANCTUARY STATES and should WELCOME migrants? Way to change the storyline, but I'm not surprised. Hypocrisy runs deep in both political parties.

I’m going to drink some wine tonight.

https://news.azpm.org/p/news-s...onors-former-pastor/

But feel free to be ignorant of us history

And also if texas wishes to send supposedly illegal folks across us soil then federal funding should indeed be reallocated to other states handling the issue

@arsenal4ever posted:

So you miss the point, or decide not to consider it, that the cities/ states involved are SANCTUARY STATES and should WELCOME migrants? Way to change the storyline, but I'm not surprised. Hypocrisy runs deep in both political parties.

Typical Gooner popping off brainlessly without doing any research.  Massachusetts isn’t a sanctuary state, and Martha’s Vineyard is not one of the 8 cities in MA that have proclaimed themselves to be sanctuary cities.  

DeathSantis could’ve very easily overpaid the coyote to take the asylum applicants to Boston, but instead he pulled the political stunt of dropping them off in Martha’s Vineyard instead.  While such political theater just makes the entrenched base happy, it does the opposite amongst swing voters/independents.  

Insight - you don't have. But keep trying

Sanctuary States 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)

As usual, your inability to read the top results of a simple search query of “is Massachusetts a sanctuary state” confirms once again that Gooners are morons:

https://www.nbcboston.com/news...tuary-state/2835474/

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston...ts-marthas-vineyard/

While the definition of “sanctuary state” could be debated, what is not debatable is your boneheaded contention that Martha’s Vineyard is a sanctuary city.  If DeathSantis wants to grift Florida taxpayers for the “benefit” of the asylum seekers, he could’ve chosen to have his overpriced coyote transport them to any of the 8 cities in MA that have declared themselves as sanctuary cities.

I was actually going to apologize about the Insight crack, since you pissed me off about the Gooner reference (we are in first temporarily). But you're completely wrong about MA being a sanctuary state. They are. By the way, show me where I wrote that Martha's Vineyard is a sanctuary city. If you're a Spud, that would explain your reading level.

@arsenal4ever posted:

So you miss the point, or decide not to consider it, that the cities/ states involved are SANCTUARY STATES and should WELCOME migrants? Way to change the storyline, but I'm not surprised. Hypocrisy runs deep in both political parties.

I bolded where you mention the cities involved are sanctuary states.  Martha’s Vineyard has zero sanctuary status.  

At least you’re realistic about the likelihood of ARSE remaining atop the table at the end of the campaign.  Will be interesting to see if they can maintain their form and qualify for a CL spot.  

Forgot to mention that I rep the Blues.  KTBFFH!

I'd much rather debate Arsenal's prospects then politics. But no where did I mention MV.

Chelsea has been a mess so far. Hope you're not one of those Johnny Come Lately fans.

What other “cities/states involved” would you be referring to besides MV?

Didn’t realize my edit went through.  Chelsea’s form thus far in both the PL and CL has been far from acceptable.  Started to support them when Shevchenko joined after the 2006 World Cup.  Of course, he was meh for the the Blues, but I stuck with them.  They’ve done better than alright since then.

TOT has a formidable front line.  Could very well be yet another year of you lot pining for St Totteringham’s day……

I like what Arsenal's done; especially giving Arteta a chance to build his squad. They are young and hopefully can only improve. I became a fan while working in London in the mid 90s. One of my colleagues took me to a match at Highbury and I became an instant fan. Arsenal4ever was the name of his webpage that he ran. He passed from cancer at 38, so I honor him.  I've seen about 10 matches in England, including one at Stamford Bridge.

Chicago, DC, and NYC I specifically mentioned, since their mayors were crying about needing federal money to offset the migrant costs and how their services were being affected.

Cheers

Martha's Vineyard was chosen specifically as a political stunt.  It's where the Clintons used to go when they were in the White House; it's where the Obamas went also.  It is where the Kennedy's would go.  An island where Democrats would flock for many years under Democratic administrations, and it's wealthy and thus considered as elitist and New England snobbish.

Maybe the next "freedom flight" will take some refugees to Nantucket, or Block Island, or Cuttyhunk, or maybe the Hamptons.

Gov ronnie actually had a plane land in FL from TEXAS so here provide paperwork, to tell them where to go.  He was in Greg's pocket on this.  Real immoral and illegal act

@arsenal4ever posted:

But you're completely wrong about MA being a sanctuary state. They are.

https://www.bostonmagazine.com...ker-sanctuary-state/

except they're not, and charlie baker is still governor

@Rothko posted:

maybe the Hamptons.

ha, you could just piss em off by common folk like me being there, no migrants needed

@g-man posted:

ha, you could just piss em off by common folk like me being there, no migrants needed

Dunno about that, g-man.  I get the sense that you’re far from common. 😃

@seaquam posted:

Dunno about that, g-man.  I get the sense that you’re far from common. 😃

that's true, usually get kicked out for indecent exposure instead

@g-man posted:

that's true, usually get kicked out for indecent exposure instead

G-man, it’s good to know that you know how to harness the power of advertising.😄

@seaquam posted:

G-man, it’s good to know that you know how to harness the power of advertising.😄

Your posts continue to make me smile, if not laugh out loud.  You should be writing comedy for TV!

@arsenal4ever posted:

I like what Arsenal's done; especially giving Arteta a chance to build his squad. They are young and hopefully can only improve. I became a fan while working in London in the mid 90s. One of my colleagues took me to a match at Highbury and I became an instant fan. Arsenal4ever was the name of his webpage that he ran. He passed from cancer at 38, so I honor him.  I've seen about 10 matches in England, including one at Stamford Bridge.

Chicago, DC, and NYC I specifically mentioned, since their mayors were crying about needing federal money to offset the migrant costs and how their services were being affected.

Cheers

+1. Touching story. And I think your friend would love, and I have, what Arteta has done to the team. Go Arsenal go!

Not trying to start a major political discussion, but, like you, I’ve seen and heard lots of TV and radio ads relating to the upcoming elections.

I’ve seen some ads where Republicans say they are opposed to inflation and want to bring down prices.  Democratic ads say that they, too, are opposed to high prices and want to bring them down.

I have not yet seen or heard an ad where the politicians say that they are in favor of high prices or even higher prices.

It is certainly good that everyone agrees on this.  Prices are sure to plummet after the election.

@irwin posted:

Not trying to start a major political discussion, but, like you, I’ve seen and heard lots of TV and radio ads relating to the upcoming elections.

I’ve seen some ads where Republicans say they are opposed to inflation and want to bring down prices.  Democratic ads say that they, too, are opposed to high prices and want to bring them down.

I have not yet seen or heard an ad where the politicians say that they are in favor of high prices or even higher prices.

It is certainly good that everyone agrees on this.  Prices are sure to plummet after the election.

Bipartisanship at its best! 

Meanwhile, here in Canada, the Conservative opposition party has taken to referring to "Justinflation".  Very clever, given the name of our Prime Minister, even though they offer no credible policies for reducing what everyone else calls merely inflation.

The worst thing about parallel parking is the witnesses.

@mneeley490 posted:

The worst thing about parallel parking is the witnesses.

It's a bit like hitting your tee shot at #1.

@irwin posted:

Not trying to start a major political discussion, but, like you, I’ve seen and heard lots of TV and radio ads relating to the upcoming elections.

I’ve seen some ads where Republicans say they are opposed to inflation and want to bring down prices.  Democratic ads say that they, too, are opposed to high prices and want to bring them down.

I have not yet seen or heard an ad where the politicians say that they are in favor of high prices or even higher prices.

It is certainly good that everyone agrees on this.  Prices are sure to plummet after the election.

I'm waiting on concrete points of actions by the republicans.

I was concerned when my local politician sent me a message telling me they're gonna wait until mid january before thinking about what to do about all the issues everyone is complaining about.

Balanced Budgets

scientific study?

https://www.prevention.com/hea...ia-alzheimers-study/

@irwin posted:

scientific study?

https://www.prevention.com/hea...ia-alzheimers-study/

Does that mean to not pick your nose after visiting a brothel?

@g-man posted:

Does that mean to not pick your nose after visiting a brothel?

I should be OK, then.....

I just found out about new effective meds for men's health - Generic Cialis.  I'm about to try them as i have some problems with my stamina. Does somebody hear about them?

Now that the Midterms are finally over, I don't know how TV stations will survive the loss in revenue from no more TV political ads.

more ads for drugs to drive up drug prices

Enough of the “scan QR code” menu bullshit already - bring me a printed piece of f***ing paper!

was at a restaurant this past Monday in Boca Raton, FL.  They don't take cash.  They had a QR code on the table.  You use that to pay.  Times have changed, for sure.

@irwin posted:

was at a restaurant this past Monday in Boca Raton, FL.  They don't take cash.  They had a QR code on the table.  You use that to pay.  Times have changed, for sure.

Yuck

I do like it when the server comes with the hand held and takes the card at the table.  More secure that allowing it out of sight.

An oldie but goodie.  Happy New Year everyone.

Rick

@Bytown Rick posted:

An oldie but goodie.  Happy New Year everyone.

Rick

Smiling...

@bman posted:

Smiling...

I trust that you are both doing well b?

@Bytown Rick posted:

An oldie but goodie.  Happy New Year everyone.

Rick

That was pretty good.

@Bytown Rick posted:

I trust that you are both doing well b?

More or less.  We should offline one of these days, maybe get some of the Montreal gang to join us!

@bman posted:

More or less.  We should offline one of these days, maybe get some of the Montreal gang to join us!

Happy New Year!

May your troubles last as long as your New Year's resolutions!

@Bytown Rick posted:

Double thumbs up

@mimik posted:

Double thumbs up

So c'mon down!

@bman posted:

So c'mon down!

The price is right!

(I’ll email you.)

Which Toronto wine geek crashed the LCBO website/apps by hitting refresh repeatedly in Chrome yesterday at 8:29am, before a limited release product went live at 8:30am?

As I recall, the Sunshine List (those making more than $100K annually) has at least 20 people in IT at the LCBO who make more than $100K annually.  Not to mention the millions of dollars also spent on consulting firms... and the LCBO still can't prevent a security breach.  I'd be laughing if we, the taxpayers, weren't paying for all of this incompetence.

@darcy posted:

Which Toronto wine geek crashed the LCBO website/apps by hitting refresh repeatedly in Chrome yesterday at 8:29am, before a limited release product went live at 8:30am?

As I recall, the Sunshine List (those making more than $100K annually) has at least 20 people in IT at the LCBO who make more than $100K annually.  Not to mention the millions of dollars also spent on consulting firms... and the LCBO still can't prevent a security breach.  I'd be laughing if we, the taxpayers, weren't paying for all of this incompetence.

Hopefully there is a price correction to 2013 prices when they reboot...

Former President Donald Trump won a golf tournament at his club in Florida despite being in North Carolina. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...44f5998b8e64ba7436f7

Seriously, this is on par with Kim Jong-Il claiming he scored 11 holes in one on his very first game of golf.  Apparently Donald Trump is the all-time golf champion at all of this clubs, winning tournaments year after year.

Which makes me wonder:  Has Donald Trump ever participated in a golf tournament at a club that he didn't own?  If so, how'd he do?  And also:  Why would anyone else in his club bother playing in a tournament that they know is going to get thrown to the owner?

@Rothko posted:

Former President Donald Trump won a golf tournament at his club in Florida despite being in North Carolina.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...44f5998b8e64ba7436f7

Seriously, this is on par with Kim Jong-Il claiming he scored 11 holes in one on his very first game of golf.  Apparently Donald Trump is the all-time golf champion at all of this clubs, winning tournaments year after year.

Which makes me wonder:  Has Donald Trump ever participated in a golf tournament at a club that he didn't own?  If so, how'd he do?  And also:  Why would anyone else in his club bother playing in a tournament that they know is going to get thrown to the owner?

Is there any way his political modus operandi DOESN'T resemble Kim?

Trump cheats at everything else.  Marriage, taxes, business.  Why not cheat at golf?

@irwin posted:

Trump cheats at everything else.  Marriage, taxes, business.  Why not cheat at golf?

Elections, too. He just didn’t get away with that one.

One more bad decision, and I'll have the entire set.

His hole is 48" wide, rest of guys is 4 1/4".

I played well yesterday, shot a 35 [for 18 holes], but back today and made up for it.  Today at Par after 14 holes, rest I didn't count.

One of my (least) favorite golf stories.

Trump cheats child at golf

I am eating an apple

I need to order some food and start reading all those 20 pages which i received from the translating agency https://thewordpoint.com/langu...translation-services. Instead of doing it i sit on the sofa, read this forum and play different games. What is my diagnose?

I'm eating tofu

I’m still eating cornflakes

slipped on my banana

Just because it's a bad idea, doesn't mean it won't be fun.

Finally indicted the Orange man, hopefully the first of many for his numerous crimes.

As to Trump, rank the following from worst to least bad:

1) getting money from foreign govts for his hotel rooms

2) cheating on his wife, paying off Stormy and hiding the payoffs my claiming them as business expenses

3) inciting riots on Jan 6, 2021

4) trying to twist the arms of the Georgia elections officials to flip the election

5)  getting lawyers to file completely frivolous post election cases, claiming fraud in the absence of evidence

6) his habit of eating steak well done with ketchup

@patespo1 posted:

Finally indicted the Orange man, hopefully the first of many for his numerous crimes.

I hear the fat lady singing. Please let the dominos fall where they may.

@irwin posted:

As to Trump, rank the following from worst to least bad:

1) getting money from foreign govts for his hotel rooms

2) cheating on his wife, paying off Stormy and hiding the payoffs my claiming them as business expenses

3) inciting riots on Jan 6, 2021

4) trying to twist the arms of the Georgia elections officials to flip the election

5)  getting lawyers to file completely frivolous post election cases, claiming fraud in the absence of evidence

6) his habit of eating steak well done with ketchup

3 / 4 / 5 / 1 / 2 / 6    although the steak thing would get anyone thrown out of my house.

@patespo1 posted:

Finally indicted the Orange man, hopefully the first of many for his numerous crimes.

Does anyone think he actually gets convicted?  I don't see it happening, in which case the Manhattan DA really gave a jolt to his 2024 campaign.

I keep hearing the talking heads about Trump’s legal troubles helping his campaign. Seriously? Exactly what has he accomplished since he was soundly beaten that would cause someone who didn’t vote for him in 2020 to now start supporting him? If you like me are and were anti-Trump in 2020 he has done nothing whatsoever to cause a change of heart.

Hell, his entire past staff is now attacking him, Fox News is no longer all in on this POS and even the senate minority leader doesn’t even have his back. Trump held his first official rally in Waco Texas, a place where over 20m people are 2 hours or less away. By the time he was finished lying the cult had diminished to nearly half as people wanted to beat the traffic out of the parking lot.😂

Does Trump’s current and soon much more serious legal issues make his cult supporters rally? Sure. Who cares?

To me, the biggest issue is how many sub moronic troglodytes there are who worship him no matter what. Not to mention all of the GOP members who publicly claim that the investigations are unwarranted. How about the ones visiting and canonizing the scumbags who attacked the Capitol? We are on the path to being a shithole nation of idiocy, and adversarial regimes are ready to take advantage. Let’s not forget the new strategy of election denial, voter access interference, etc.

I’m damn thankful to not have children to worry about.

William H. Taft was an overweight Republican President in the early part of the 20^th century.  He ran for re-election and lost.  Thereafter, he went to the Supreme Court of the United States.

Donald J. Trump was an overweight Republican President in the early part of the 21^st century.  He ran for re-election and lost.  He now goes before the New York County Supreme Court.

Taft was the first President to throw out the first pitch to start the baseball season.  Trump was the first President thereafter to fail to do so.

Well, regardless of your party affiliation, you have to admit that today is a remarkable day.  A former President being arraigned on criminal charges.  Not something I would have expected in the US a decade ago.

Many more to add:

Making SS pay for rooms and golf carts

Trying to move airport

i'm just as scared about what's going on in TN

Bring you unlicensed gun to Florida in July.  Ron wants a shoot up.

@irwin posted:

Taft was the first President to throw out the first pitch to start the baseball season.  Trump was the first President thereafter to fail to do so.

Jimmy Carter never threw out a first pitch. Biden hasn't either so far.

VM

Not sure of FDR  either due to health issues

We’re I elected President, I would pass simply because baseball sucks.

@flwino posted:

Not sure of FDR  either due to health issues

FDR actually threw out more first pitches than any other President.

VM

Am really surprised at that

So apparently as part of the booking process, NYPD measured Donald Trump's height and weight.

Remember when he was in the White House, his reported height/weight was 6'3'' and 239 pounds (which was just under the level of being "obese" at 29.9)?

Turns out he's 6'1'' and 270 pounds

Sports world has hilarious reactions to Donald Trump’s weight (msn.com)

Puts him at a BMI of 35.6 (Obesity is anything over 30).

An IQ test by someone other than Ronny Jackson would be interesting.

I'm going to be a little bummed if Dominion settles with Fox

@Rothko posted:

I'm going to be a little bummed if Dominion settles with Fox

Me too. Unless it involves repeated nightly and unconditional apologies by each of the Fox prime time and other whackadoodles and hundreds of millions of dollars.

@bman posted:

Me too. Unless it involves repeated nightly and unconditional apologies by each of the Fox prime time and other whackadoodles and hundreds of millions of dollars.

I'm hoping the outcome involves Faux News being out of business.

Maybe add  NewsMAx   And One America News 

They are also scum

@flwino posted:

Maybe add  NewsMAx   And One America News

They are also scum

I would argue far worse.  If the existence of Fox News lessens their reach, I would be sad to see Fox News disappear.

Maybe just a case of the devil you know...

@Rothko posted:

I'm going to be a little bummed if Dominion settles with Fox

And that’s what happened. Fucking pussies.

@billhike posted:

And that’s what happened. Fucking pussies.

Well, well.  I'm sure it's going to be a huge check.  But Fox will write it, take the tax write off, and be back to business as usual in a week.

@Rothko posted:

Well, well.  I'm sure it's going to be a huge check.  But Fox will write it, take the tax write off, and be back to business as usual in a week.

Tonight.  Queue Tuck Tuck.

@Rothko posted:

Well, well.  I'm sure it's going to be a huge check.  But Fox will write it, take the tax write off, and be back to business as usual in a week.

I'm expecting that there will be more than money, at least some kind of apology or clarification or other form of humiliating grovelling on the shows that defamed Dominion.  Hope I'm right!

@bman posted:

I'm expecting that there will be more than money, at least some kind of apology or clarification or other form of humiliating grovelling on the shows that defamed Dominion.  Hope I'm right!

Humiliation for the shameless? Please. I’m sure they’ve already had the spin scripted for a long time, and will now make themselves the victim of a company that “weaponized” the legal system. May Rupert and all of the talking heads who were complicit in stoking the fires of the attack on the Capitol get cancer.

I would hope that Dominion would not have settled for cash only but time will tell.  And I'm sure they will not feel humiliated, but humiliation is in the eye of the beholder!

787 million.  Half of what they were seeking.

@wineismylife posted:

787 million.  Half of what they were seeking.

Which is FAR more than they ever thought they would ever receive. Far more, no appeals and paid over 10x the value of their small company.

Fox next pending suit is for $2B for admitted lies and this evidence can be used per legal talking heads.

@wine+art posted:

Which is FAR more than they ever thought they would ever receive. Far more, no appeals and paid over 10x the value of their small company.

Fox next pending suit is for $2B for admitted lies and this evidence can be used per legal talking heads.

yea agreed, company with only 17.5 mm annual revenue.  The private equity that owns dominion is definitely feeling pretty dang good.

@wineismylife posted:

Tonight.  Queue Tuck Tuck.

Not a peep from any of the nighttime Fox hosts. 

There is another voting machine case coming along.  Should put the nail in the coffin

@Rothko posted:

Not a peep from any of the nighttime Fox hosts.

I wouldn't know.  I never watch Faux News.

@wineismylife posted:

I wouldn't know.  I never watch Faux News.

I checked the Fox News website. Maybe three lines about it a dozen items down the page. No mention of the amount or any details, just that it was settled and the laughable official statement.

I don't know why would anyone expect Fox News to say anything beyond what they said.  I'm sure the settlement involves no admission of guilt by FN, and includes a non-disparagement clause.  They're acting exactly how I'd expect them to act.  I'm sure stroking the $787 million check makes it clear to everyone what happened and the extent to which Fox believed in the strength of its defense.   There's also further litigation pending as I understand it.  Best to just shut up.

@csm posted:

I don't know why would anyone expect Fox News to say anything beyond what they said.  I'm sure the settlement involves no admission of guilt by FN, and includes a non-disparagement clause.  They're acting exactly how I'd expect them to act.  I'm sure stroking the $787 million check makes it clear to everyone what happened and the extent to which Fox believed in the strength of its defense.   There's also further litigation pending as I understand it.  Best to just shut up.

apparently fox news submitted 4 episodes of simpsons, where homer had difficulty deciding who to pick, as the reason why they needed to speak lies about the election process.

I wonder what Dominion could prove that it suffered in the way of economic or reputational harm had the case gone to trial?  I am sure someone here followed the case more closely than I.  Maybe everyone did.  The S. Ct. has said that punitive damages (which were sought here) have to bear some relationship to compensatory damages.  So, if the case had gone to trial, clearly Dominion could likely prove that Fox put out false information, knowing it was false.

But, what was the exact harm to Dominion? Did they lose customers?

A question for the lawyers here:

@irwin posted:

I wonder what Dominion could prove that it suffered in the way of economic or reputational harm had the case gone to trial?  I am sure someone here followed the case more closely than I.  Maybe everyone did.  The S. Ct. has said that punitive damages (which were sought here) have to bear some relationship to compensatory damages.  So, if the case had gone to trial, clearly Dominion could likely prove that Fox put out false information, knowing it was false.

But, what was the exact harm to Dominion? Did they lose customers?

i think if the assumption is that electronic voting should be the future, and now through lies, the 700 million dollars a year business will be in jeopardy,  And you acn certainly point to quite a few local spots in texas, arizona, colorado where counties are spending millions to go back to hand counting.

I'm sure you can add up not only current losses but future potential revenues too.

As a tax payer, I'm very annoyed that folks would literally make their own lives more expensive.  It's almost like half of this country doesn't pay taxes or something that they can choose things that cost them more money =D

Adios, Tucker.

@Rothko posted:

Adios, Tucker.

And Don Lemon

When someone like that gets fired, does he get unemployment benefits?  I mean, Tucker Carlson is probably worth 25 million bucks or more.  I think he'll be ok.

If Fox were to get rid of the other nutters there and become a reputable news source again then maybe some degree of political healing in the US could begin to start.  Doubtful though, since the Republicans would still be controlled by Trump and his Trumpanzees, at least until after the next election.   

And no doubt Tucker will pop up on Newsmax or OAN or one of those channels that's even worse than Fox and make them even more dangerous than they are  now.

I heard a rumour that Don Lemon will be taking over Tucker Carlson's spot on Fox, starting in a couple of weeks.

@bman posted:

then maybe some degree of political healing in the US could begin to start.

Not happening.

@Rothko posted:

Adios, Tucker.

He was told less than 10 minutes before the Fox press release.🤣

@seaquam posted:

I heard a rumour that Don Lemon will be taking over Tucker Carlson's spot on Fox, starting in a couple of weeks.

I'll believe that one when I see it.

@bman posted:

If Fox were to get rid of the other nutters there and become a reputable news source again then maybe some degree of political healing in the US could begin to start.  Doubtful though, since the Republicans would still be controlled by Trump and his Trumpanzees, at least until after the next election.   

And no doubt Tucker will pop up on Newsmax or OAN or one of those channels that's even worse than Fox and make them even more dangerous than they are  now.

I hate to say this, but I am certain that Fox is going to bring in someone who will just be a Tucker-light. 

The audience is mostly comprised of right wing, angry, white viewers.  You want to keep them coming, so that you can keep the advertising revenue coming in.  If they try to become a reputable news source, they lose their base viewers (who want to be told what they want to hear), and they become a second-rate cable news network.

I doubt the powers that be want that to happen.  Tcuker just became too much of a liability to them, so they had to let him go.  He probably will not the last.

@Rothko posted:

I hate to say this, but I am certain that Fox is going to bring in someone who will just be a Tucker-light.

The audience is mostly comprised of right wing, angry, white viewers.  You want to keep them coming, so that you can keep the advertising revenue coming in.  If they try to become a reputable news source, they lose their base viewers (who want to be told what they want to hear), and they become a second-rate cable news network.

I doubt the powers that be want that to happen.  Tcuker just became too much of a liability to them, so they had to let him go.  He probably will not the last.

I expect that you are right.  I read some speculation that Jesse Watters could be next up.  But I bet that some degree of restraint will be applied to whoever it is, and the other whackadoodles there too, at least temporarily. 

I don't get Fox here (I could but would need to pay for the privilege) so will not be able to see for myself.

looks like tucker's might be going over to RT

@Rothko posted:

Adios, Tucker.

Typo?  The F key is just below the T key.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2QCiJC06y4

dang ,, solid burn response

Donald Trump lost his civil case in NY and today Rep. Santos got arrested and charged with various acts of fraud.

Not a good week for Republicans, and it's only Wednesday.

@irwin posted:

Donald Trump lost his civil case in NY and today Rep. Santos got arrested and charged with various acts of fraud.

Not a good week for Republicans, and it's only Wednesday.

Neither event will cost them any cult members.

Yep, it doesn't really move the needle at all.  People have already established their positions regarding the Republicans/Democrats, Trump, Biden, etc.

I really don't believe that too many folks who voted for Biden in 2020 are going to reverse course and vote for Trump.  And I doubt many of the people who voted for Trump in 2020 are going to decide to switch and vote for Biden in 2024.

@Rothko posted:

Yep, it doesn't really move the needle at all.  People have already established their positions regarding the Republicans/Democrats, Trump, Biden, etc.

I really don't believe that too many folks who voted for Biden in 2020 are going to reverse course and vote for Trump.  And I doubt many of the people who voted for Trump in 2020 are going to decide to switch and vote for Biden in 2024.

Agree. But many will just stay home on election day.  Hoping more of the latter group than the former group do so.

thought this was funny
6. H.R.2838 — 118th Congress (2023-2024)
National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR) 75th Anniversary Commemorative Coin Act
Sponsor: Graves, Garret [Rep.-R-LA-6] (Introduced 04/25/2023) Cosponsors: (2)

glad certain parts of our congress has their priorities straight.