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winetarelliwinetarelliMember
@irwin posted:

Xrays won’t hurt.  But a torn rotator cuff is diagnosed with an MRI.  The problem is that upwards of 20% of people over forty have torn rotator cuffs and are asymptomatic.  Good luck.  

She’s eliminating a broken bone or dislocated something from possibility. Thinks I should wait a few weeks in a sling with anti-inflammatories if there’s nothing bone-related to see how healing goes to decide if an MRI is necessary. (Hoping no surgery.)  Though, I suppose it would make sense to get it all done at once. Also, she seems to think it may be a terrible sprain as opposed to a torn rotator cuff.

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G g-manMember
@patespo1 posted:

A minority woman politician with a low approval rating in America?  Count me as shocked

to be fair,

she's acutally doing quite alot of work and not spending time in the public eye and probably could do with a proper publicist.

Weird catch 22 in t his country, you become popular by being in the public eye but you don't really get any work done.  But then folks complain how nothing is getting done.

InsightInsightMember
@g-man posted:

to be fair,

she's acutally doing quite alot of work and not spending time in the public eye and probably could do with a proper publicist.

Weird catch 22 in t his country, you become popular by being in the public eye but you don't really get any work done.  But then folks complain how nothing is getting done.

Ask most anyone who was in the San Francisco Bay Area who paid any attention during her time in various capacities here, and you'll get few responses of “she was a rockstar!”  She reminds me a lot of Hillary Clinton (though nowhere near the IQ that HRC has) - - - competent but doesn’t connect with the general population.  That is fine when you’re a San Francisco DA, or a California AG, or even a US Senator to some degree.  But as we’ve witnessed once rather recently, it is not a recipe for success when you need the support of broad swaths of the populace, much less Capitol Hill.

Her presidential ambitions would’ve been better served as US Attorney General.  

winetarelliwinetarelliMember

Given that I came here to bitch already, figured I might as well post an update.  It's broken.  Not the ball and socket, but the bone right beneath the ball.  (Dodged a bullet, I suppose.)  Doctor says sling and immobilization for 6-8 weeks, then PT is her guess, but she made an appointment for me to see an orthopedic surgeon tomorrow for confirmation.

J jcocktostenMember
@winetarelli posted:

Given that I came here to bitch already, figured I might as well post an update.  It's broken.  Not the ball and socket, but the bone right beneath the ball.  (Dodged a bullet, I suppose.)  Doctor says sling and immobilization for 6-8 weeks, then PT is her guess, but she made an appointment for me to see an orthopedic surgeon tomorrow for confirmation.

Ouch - sorry about that

The Old ManThe Old ManMember
@winetarelli posted:

Given that I came here to bitch already, figured I might as well post an update.  It's broken.  Not the ball and socket, but the bone right beneath the ball.  (Dodged a bullet, I suppose.)  Doctor says sling and immobilization for 6-8 weeks, then PT is her guess, but she made an appointment for me to see an orthopedic surgeon tomorrow for confirmation.

Wow. Very awful.

sd-wineauxsd-wineauxMember
@winetarelli posted:

Given that I came here to bitch already, figured I might as well post an update.  It's broken.  Not the ball and socket, but the bone right beneath the ball.  (Dodged a bullet, I suppose.)  Doctor says sling and immobilization for 6-8 weeks, then PT is her guess, but she made an appointment for me to see an orthopedic surgeon tomorrow for confirmation.

I'll second or third the ouch!  I suppose breaking the socket would suck worse, but that location has got to be a close 2nd since I'm guessing you still need to immobilize the shoulder to the maximum extent practicable.

I'd suggest not showering anymore, but that quickly would interfere with wine enjoyment. So get yourself a floor mat with a grippy back!  Good thing you only need one arm to lift a wine glass.

patespo1patespo1Member
@The Old Man posted:

Kyle is going to get away with murder. I am afraid the prosecutor is terrible and the judge already appeared to be sympathetic to the defendant.

Complete sham.  I would love to see him crying in an orange jump suit.  His mother's fake tears are just as bad. All the gun nuts will love it when if/when he is acquitted;  just take to the streets and murder people and claim self defense.

Interested to hear the perspective of Irwin or someone in the legal profession about the judge and his handling of the case.  His cell phone goes off in yesterday in the middle of the trial, and the ringtone is one of the theme songs for TFG MAGA rallies? 

irwinirwinMember

I don't handle criminal cases, but here is what I think.  I am sympathetic to the judge.  He makes a ruling on keeping out of evidence a selfie in a bar, and the prosecutor tries to get it in.  That would piss off any judge.  What I don't frankly understand is this:  While it is certainly true that one may not comment on the post-arrest silence of a defendant, this defendant has not been silent post arrest.  He has given interviews. He has posed for photos.  So, in my view, he has largely waived any claim in this regard.  The prosecutor needs to provide the judge with texts, transcripts, etc of the post arrest interviews, and I think at that point, this issue goes away.

Clearly, the defendant is guilty of some gun violations, like carrying around a weapon w/o a license, and participating in a straw purchase.  I haven't followed the facts closely enough to comment on the self-defense defense.  Trials are stressful.  People cry.  The mother's tears bother me. She raised this cute little monster to carry around an AK-47? Maybe she is crying over her own obvious failure as a mother.

billhikebillhikeMember
@csm posted:

Noted good guy all around LeBron James saw fit to weigh in on Mr. Rittenhouse's testimony, commenting on his fake tears.  Probably should take Bron Bron his word on this as he's clearly an expert in the field of faking it.

It must have been six minutes since the previous time he grabbed attention for himself from an event he had nothing to do with. For a guy who does nothing criminally wrong, doesn’t appear to harm others and seems pretty giving of his wealth he still manages to come off as a prototype d-bag.

winetarelliwinetarelliMember

Might as well post the update.

New x-rays at orthopedist. Broken upper humerus. (We already knew.) “cracks” running throughout the shoulder and ball. But they’re all clean. No surgery seems to be needed. No MRI needed at this time. 3 weeks checking progress. Thanks for all the well wishes. Seems like, while bad, I may have dodged a bullet.

billhikebillhikeMember
@winetarelli posted:

Might as well post the update.

New x-rays at orthopedist. Broken upper humerus. (We already knew.) “cracks” running throughout the shoulder and ball. But they’re all clean. No surgery seems to be needed. No MRI needed at this time. 3 weeks checking progress. Thanks for all the well wishes. Seems like, while bad, I may have dodged a bullet.

Good luck for a full recovery that hopefully isn’t too far off.

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irwinirwinMember
@winetarelli posted:

Might as well post the update.

New x-rays at orthopedist. Broken upper humerus. (We already knew.) “cracks” running throughout the shoulder and ball. But they’re all clean. No surgery seems to be needed. No MRI needed at this time. 3 weeks checking progress. Thanks for all the well wishes. Seems like, while bad, I may have dodged a bullet.

Don’t fall again!  And get the booster in the other arm.

C csmMember
@Vino Me posted:

The Wisconsin statute makes an exception for someone who is 17 years old to possess a gun as long as the barrel is of a certain length. The State failed to introduce any evidence on the length of the barrel and therefore failed to meet their burden of proof. Oops.

Gets better (or worse, not sure which).  in addition to failing to lead any evidence as to the length, the prosecution also apparently conceded the gun was not "short barreled" in its submissions.   Clear now why the charge was dismissed.

G g-manMember
@csm posted:

Gets better (or worse, not sure which).  in addition to failing to lead any evidence as to the length, the prosecution also apparently conceded the gun was not "short barreled" in its submissions.   Clear now why the charge was dismissed.

in case folks are surprised about such law.

it's legal in alot of states to own a long barrel "non firearm".

ie you could get a rifle in new york ifit had a > 16" barrel and > 26" in total length as it's not considered a fire arm.

irwinirwinMember
@Vino Me posted:

The Wisconsin statute makes an exception for someone who is 17 years old to possess a gun as long as the barrel is of a certain length. The State failed to introduce any evidence on the length of the barrel and therefore failed to meet their burden of proof. Oops.

This is speculation on my part, but perhaps the prosecution wanted to eliminate the possibility of Rittenhouse getting convicted ONLY on the gun charge.   Perhaps they were concerned that the jury would feel that they had to convict this young thug of something, but not the charges that would likely put him away for a long time.  So, they conceded on the gun charge to put the jury on the spot and to put Rittenhouse in the cross-hairs, so to speak.  Sort of all or nothing strategy.

But, as I said, this is speculation on my part.

The Old ManThe Old ManMember
@billhike posted:

Wrong aspect ratio?

Well now you've opened the door! For those of you old folks who have MeTV you will find that many shows from the 50s and 60s, including The Twilight Zone, and The Dick Van Dyke Show (Did you know that Mary Tyler Moore called it "The Penis Von Lesbian Show"?) are shown in the incorrect aspect ratio but here it's kind of a good thing.

Most of the shows at that time were filmed using 35mm film cameras. Their native ratio is known as "full frame" of 1.66: 1. In the viewfinders there was etched a 1.33:1 rectangle called the "TV safe action area." It was understood that when it was shown it would be shown on 1.33:1 TV sets. So this was how all shows were framed. Now when MeTV is showing it they are using direct transfers from the original sources and are showing them full frame. So in this case you are actually seeing about 20% more than was shown originally. Part of the reason they are doing this is it leaves smaller black side bars.

While I am an aspect ratio purist I don't really see much harm in this. Many of those shows only had so much time to allow for creative compositions and camerawork. Also you are seeing more the set where more creativity was displayed.

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The Old ManThe Old ManMember
@mimik posted:

Basically the top NATO allied commander Wesley Clark discovers plans that the bush-cheney-Rumsfeld team had plans to invade and topple 7 foreign governments in 5 years under the pretext and aftermath of 911 as early as late September 2001. Sounds like the plot of a movie but it’s not

True or conspiracy theory? Asking seriously though at this point, with almost daily revelations about the Trump attempt to overthrow the election who knows what's not possible anymore?

N napacatMember
@The Old Man posted:

Well now you've opened the door! For those of you old folks who have MeTV you will find that many shows from the 50s and 60s, including The Twilight Zone, and The Dick Van Dyke Show (Did you know that Mary Tyler Moore called it "The Penis Von Lesbian Show"?) are shown in the incorrect aspect ratio but here it's kind of a good thing.

Most of the shows at that time were filmed using 35mm film cameras. Their native ratio is known as "full frame" of 1.66: 1. In the viewfinders there was etched a 1.33:1 rectangle called the "TV safe action area." It was understood that when it was shown it would be shown on 1.33:1 TV sets. So this was how all shows were framed. Now when MeTV is showing it they are using direct transfers from the original sources and are showing them full frame. So in this case you are actually seeing about 20% more than was shown originally. Part of the reason they are doing this is it leaves smaller black side bars.

While I am an aspect ratio purist I don't really see much harm in this. Many of those shows only had so much time to allow for creative compositions and camerawork. Also you are seeing more the set where more creativity was displayed.

God you must be fun at a diner party.

mimikmimikMember
@The Old Man posted:

True or conspiracy theory? Asking seriously though at this point, with almost daily revelations about the Trump attempt to overthrow the election who knows what's not possible anymore?

Not a conspiracy theory but underreported. The problem with conspiracy theories is that they range in gambit from the absurd(Elvis us still alive,   Trump won the election, etc) to the plausible (YouTube link) to the proven( NSA is spying on you ).

The Old ManThe Old ManMember

I almost think the prosecution in the Rittenhouse trial should go along with having a mistrial without prejudice declared.. One thing they'll do is get get rid of an incompetent and biased judge. I've watched much of the trial and this judge is past his expiration date. Two, the prosecution can try to put their case together better. The prosecutor is lucky if he doesn't get a mistrial with prejudice because of violating the vigilante Kyle's 5th amendment rights.  And three, Kyle will have to try to make himself cry again.

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irwinirwinMember
@The Old Man posted:

I almost think the prosecution in the Rittenhouse trial should go along with having a mistrial without prejudice declared.. One thing they'll do is get get rid of an incompetent and biased judge. I've watched much of the trial and this judge is past his expiration date. Two, the prosecution can try to put their case together better. The prosecutor is lucky if he doesn't get a mistrial with prejudice because of violating the vigilante Kyle's 5th amendment rights.  And three, Kyle will have to try to make himself cry again.

The request for a mistrial because the defense had a video, but not the enhanced video, is silly. They could enhance it themselves.  That is not even close to a reason for a mistrial.

The "violation" of the 5th amendment right is also spurious.  Mr. Rittenhouse made post trial statements in interviews and on social media.  He waived his right to complain about questions relating to post trial comments or post trial silence.  Also not a good reason for a mistrial.

The judge is neither incompetent nor biased.  He is quirky.  Very quirky.  But, I've appeared many times in Court before quirky judges and also some who were biased or incompetent.  I can tell the difference.  The jury instructions were a bit garbled and incomprehensible, but frankly, they usually are.  I have served on a state bar committee with some judges to prepare standard instructions (in civil cases) and it's not easy.  It is important for a judge to craft instructions that fit the case and not to rely solely on the pattern instructions.

Now, the judge may have made mistakes. But that doesn't mean he is incompetent.  Tiger Woods, in his prime, could hit a ball in a water hazard or three putt.  That doesn't mean he was incompetent.  We're all human.

The Old ManThe Old ManMember
@irwin posted:

The jury instructions were a bit garbled and incomprehensible, but frankly, they usually are.

"A bit garbled"? They were a mess which included him trying to make changes as he was actually reading it out loud. I'm pretty sure we'll find out the jury had trouble with the 35 page mess of instructions. However, I'm not a lawyer but I was a lowly paralegal. However, never in criminal matters.

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irwinirwinMember

35 pages is pretty normal.  
anyway, I see the jury is done for the day.  The longest jury deliberations in any of my cases was about 2 1/2 days.  The shortest was about 5 minutes.  In the latter case, the jury left, I shook my opponent’s hand and began to put my papers into my briefcases, but the verdict came before I had finished doing so.
it is, as one might say, variable.

N napacatMember
@jcocktosten posted:

It was a protest about racial injustice- victims were shot by a racist moron with an assault weapon there to be violent, who would have been killed by the police if he was a person of color - this is not exactly rocket science

You could not be more wrong!  Focus on the facts of the case not the surrounding noise.  If you only look at the facts there was no other verdict to render.  

N napacatMember
@napacat posted:

You could not be more wrong!  Focus on the facts of the case not the surrounding noise.  If you only look at the facts there was no other verdict to render.  

Why do you say Kyle was racist?  If he was, wouldn’t he have looked for black people to shoot?   What proof do you have to support that statement?  I know most people here are successful.  How do you fall into the trap of spouting nonsense without any factual relevance to your statements?

irwinirwinMember

This is an oversimplification, but:

In an article on Rep. McCarthy’s unsuccessful filibuster attempt to derail the law passed a couple days ago in the House, the NY Times said that right wing Rep. Madison Cawthorn sat behind McCarthy and was using chewing tobacco and spitting it into a cup.

That’s not a pretty picture.  On the Senate floor, the desks are all equipped with spittoons.  At least they used to be.  Not so in the House, hence the paper cup. https://medium.com/knowledge-stew/the-spittoons-of-the-us-senate-b459c966e83d

But, it’s pretty gross and not a rather unhealthy habit.

It sort of shows the wide gap between parties.  The Democrats eat tofu and organic vegetables.  The Republicans chew tobacco.   How can they come together on the important issues of the day?

G g-manMember
@irwin posted:

This is an oversimplification, but:

In an article on Rep. McCarthy’s unsuccessful filibuster attempt to derail the law passed a couple days ago in the House, the NY Times said that right wing Rep. Madison Cawthorn sat behind McCarthy and was using chewing tobacco and spitting it into a cup.

That’s not a pretty picture.  On the Senate floor, the desks are all equipped with spittoons.  At least they used to be.  Not so in the House, hence the paper cup. https://medium.com/knowledge-stew/the-spittoons-of-the-us-senate-b459c966e83d

But, it’s pretty gross and not a rather unhealthy habit.

It sort of shows the wide gap between parties.  The Democrats eat tofu and organic vegetables.  The Republicans chew tobacco.   How can they come together on the important issues of the day?

they do sell tobacco flavored tofu at the french laundry btw.  mr bourdain got served the dish by keller

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C csmMember
@irwin posted:

Perhaps you saw the news that a man got a pig heart as a transplanted organ at the Univ. of Maryland hospital in downtown Baltimore. First one ever.

The procedure has apparently been successful.  The only thing is, the guy has an urge to roll around in mud.

The first thing that came to mind when I heard this was the Pig Man episode from Seinfeld.

irwinirwinMember
Evidence that we have too many lawyers.....
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Two Florida grandparents have sued the board of a condo community where they own a house, claiming that its rule prohibiting toddlers who wear swim diapers from using the community pool violates county anti-discrimination ordinances and the federal Fair Housing Act. Jack and Simone Yeager filed the federal lawsuit against the Hunter's Run Country Club for not allowing their then-19-month-old granddaughter to use the club's main pool, instead relegating her to the "kiddie pool." Their lawsuit, which stated that the rule was "not motivated by legitimate concerns for health and safety," seeks monetary damages, attorneys' fees and an order prohibiting the club from enforcing the policy.
Ron Hurtibise, South Florida Sun-Sentinel 01/06/2022
flwinoflwinoMember
@irwin posted:
Evidence that we have too many lawyers.....
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Two Florida grandparents have sued the board of a condo community where they own a house, claiming that its rule prohibiting toddlers who wear swim diapers from using the community pool violates county anti-discrimination ordinances and the federal Fair Housing Act. Jack and Simone Yeager filed the federal lawsuit against the Hunter's Run Country Club for not allowing their then-19-month-old granddaughter to use the club's main pool, instead relegating her to the "kiddie pool." Their lawsuit, which stated that the rule was "not motivated by legitimate concerns for health and safety," seeks monetary damages, attorneys' fees and an order prohibiting the club from enforcing the policy.
Ron Hurtibise, South Florida Sun-Sentinel 01/06/2022

Yup  Flori-duh

R RothkoMember
@irwin posted:
Evidence that we have too many lawyers.....
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Two Florida grandparents have sued the board of a condo community where they own a house, claiming that its rule prohibiting toddlers who wear swim diapers from using the community pool violates county anti-discrimination ordinances and the federal Fair Housing Act. Jack and Simone Yeager filed the federal lawsuit against the Hunter's Run Country Club for not allowing their then-19-month-old granddaughter to use the club's main pool, instead relegating her to the "kiddie pool." Their lawsuit, which stated that the rule was "not motivated by legitimate concerns for health and safety," seeks monetary damages, attorneys' fees and an order prohibiting the club from enforcing the policy.
Ron Hurtibise, South Florida Sun-Sentinel 01/06/2022

Maybe,  But remember the cardinal rule of Grandparents:  "You will not mess with the grandchildren."

Some told them their little granddaughter couldn't go in the pool.  Yeah, a lawsuit was a'comin.

irwinirwinMember
We can’t get voter registration laws passed, we can’t take any effective climate change action, we can’t stop the 300+ murders per year in Baltimore, or the many other murders elsewhere.
We can’t get people to accept the science relating to vaccines.  But, here is an important action by our federal government.
French dressing is no longer a regulated product name--
G g-manMember
@irwin posted:
We can’t get voter registration laws passed, we can’t take any effective climate change action, we can’t stop the 300+ murders per year in Baltimore, or the many other murders elsewhere.
We can’t get people to accept the science relating to vaccines.  But, here is an important action by our federal government.
French dressing is no longer a regulated product name--

noice!

remember how fast freedom fries passed?

that said typical of democracies.  cant focus on one topic.  hard enough to get 5 people to agree on something, let alone 180 million

mneeley490mneeley490Member

I participate in a weekly trivia night at my local pub. A couple weeks ago, one of the rounds was a sheet of paper with 16 "Greatest Hits" album covers pictured, minus the names of the artist or band. They weren't easy, but my team correctly answered 13 out of 16. Far a lark, I thought I'd take it into work and see if my (mostly Gen-Z) co-workers could identify any. To my utter shock, their general reaction was, "What's an album cover?"

S seaquamMember
@mneeley490 posted:

I participate in a weekly trivia night at my local pub. A couple weeks ago, one of the rounds was a sheet of paper with 16 "Greatest Hits" album covers pictured, minus the names of the artist or band. They weren't easy, but my team correctly answered 13 out of 16. Far a lark, I thought I'd take it into work and see if my (mostly Gen-Z) co-workers could identify any. To my utter shock, their general reaction was, "What's an album cover?"

M, I showed this to Sylvia. She’s still laughing! 😆

irwinirwinMember

We used to call the capitol of China “Peking.”  I’m not sure when or why, but for years has been called “Beijing.”  Yet, in a Chinese restaurant one still orders Peking duck.

We used to call the capitol of Ukraine “Kiev.”  Now, they call it Keev. At least that is what it sounds like, and I think it is now spelled Kjiv.  Do they still call it Chicken Kiev?

G g-manMember
@irwin posted:

We used to call the capitol of China “Peking.”  I’m not sure when or why, but for years has been called “Beijing.”  Yet, in a Chinese restaurant one still orders Peking duck.



Maybe if you were from few hundred years ago.  The chinese characters are the same for both, only the pronounciation has changed through the centuries.

One would be a cultural significance the other would be it's current modernization form.

In mandarin, when you order peking duck.  you acutally will say beijing roast duck.

haggishaggisMember
@irwin posted:

We used to call the capitol of China “Peking.”  I’m not sure when or why, but for years has been called “Beijing.”  Yet, in a Chinese restaurant one still orders Peking duck.

We used to call the capitol of Ukraine “Kiev.”  Now, they call it Keev. At least that is what it sounds like, and I think it is now spelled Kjiv.  Do they still call it Chicken Kiev?

Most news reporters seem to say "Keev," which is a mispronunciation.  In Ukrainian, it is more like "Kee-iv."  Not a long Keeeee, but a clipped one.  Or, Keeyiv.  It's hard to write it the way it's pronounced.

That aside, it should be OK to say Kiev.  We don't pronounce "Paris" as they would in France, nor do we say Lisboa for Lisbon, etc., etc.

bmanbmanMember
@haggis posted:

Most news reporters seem to say "Keev," which is a mispronunciation.  In Ukrainian, it is more like "Kee-iv."  Not a long Keeeee, but a clipped one.  Or, Keeyiv.  It's hard to write it the way it's pronounced.

That aside, it should be OK to say Kiev.  We don't pronounce "Paris" as they would in France, nor do we say Lisboa for Lisbon, etc., etc.

Never mind Firenze or Munchen!

R RothkoMember

Surprised by the lack of discussion here about Ukraine.

Lots to talk about, from the fact that this is a European war, to the ineptitude of the Russian ground forces, to the horrific loss of life and general targeting of cities and civilians, to the "bio weapons lab" conspiracy theory, to the US and NATO responses to date, China's role and possible impacts on their Taiwan strategy, etc.

S seaquamMember
@Rothko posted:

Lots to talk about, from the fact that this is a European war, to the ineptitude of the Russian ground forces, to the horrific loss of life and general targeting of cities and civilians, to the "bio weapons lab" conspiracy theory, to the US and NATO responses to date, China's role and possible impacts on their Taiwan strategy, etc.

Looks like there’s so much to talk about that it’s intimidating to the idea of starting a discussion.

Personally, I have not yet finished talking about the pandemic. I’ve got at least a couple more things to say.

billhikebillhikeMember
@Rothko posted:

Surprised by the lack of discussion here about Ukraine.

Lots to talk about, from the fact that this is a European war, to the ineptitude of the Russian ground forces, to the horrific loss of life and general targeting of cities and civilians, to the "bio weapons lab" conspiracy theory, to the US and NATO responses to date, China's role and possible impacts on their Taiwan strategy, etc.

Infuriating and depressing. At this point, I’m hoping for an insider to take VP and his top loyalists out of the picture. That’s one scenario for both ending the madness and keeping other nations from feeling forced to getting involved, beginning an irreversible escalation.

Current world events, as well as things here in the U.S. and climate trends remind me that I’m glad I don’t have children. I can’t imagine the stress of considering the future world they would inhabit.

winetarelliwinetarelliMember

One thing I’ll say…



It is frustrating how little Americans understand about domestic policy. But polling on foreign policy displays a shocking level of basic illiteracy on international relations, recent history, and foreign policy that — regardless of one’s own opinions — anyone with even rudimentary understanding of these things should be deeply alarmed by.

bmanbmanMember
@winetarelli posted:

One thing I’ll say…



It is frustrating how little Americans understand about domestic policy. But polling on foreign policy displays a shocking level of basic illiteracy on international relations, recent history, and foreign policy that — regardless of one’s own opinions — anyone with even rudimentary understanding of these things should be deeply alarmed by.

Why do you think that is?  And education system that teaches history badly if at all?  The ubiquity of news programs pushing extreme agendas and the loyalty of so many to one or more of these sources rather than a spectrum of views?  The fact that so few Americans are well travelled?  A general ignorance of news and current events?

billhikebillhikeMember
@bman posted:

Why do you think that is?  And education system that teaches history badly if at all?  The ubiquity of news programs pushing extreme agendas and the loyalty of so many to one or more of these sources rather than a spectrum of views?  The fact that so few Americans are well travelled?  A general ignorance of news and current events?

Hosers stirring the pot…

winetarelliwinetarelliMember
@bman posted:

Why do you think that is?  And education system that teaches history badly if at all?  The ubiquity of news programs pushing extreme agendas and the loyalty of so many to one or more of these sources rather than a spectrum of views?  The fact that so few Americans are well travelled?  A general ignorance of news and current events?

Maybe some of it all. It just doesn’t permeate discussions in the U.S.  Maybe after the Cold War ended Americans thought they didn’t need to think about it anymore. But it is alarming on multiple levels.

G g-manMember
@winetarelli posted:

Maybe some of it all. It just doesn’t permeate discussions in the U.S.  Maybe after the Cold War ended Americans thought they didn’t need to think about it anymore. But it is alarming on multiple levels.

you've had 60+ years of "american pride" and a large building nationalistic tendency to consider any and all things american the best started with the disturbing out in the open views of McCarthyism

to paraphrase alot of folks nowadays "the worst day in america is better than the best day in any other country"

So I don't find it surprising at all that folks nowadays care more about "solving" cultural issues vs actual issues that can affect their livelihood.  For actual issues, it's better to just complain how good the past was.

very much like the joke that was the supreme court hearings.

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irwinirwinMember

On the Supreme Court nomination hearings:  These hearings are dreadful.  A 13 hour day used for Senators to pontificate, make a record, and play to their bases.  Judge Jackson is quite obviously extremely well qualified, and rather brilliant.  She should be confirmed without further ado.  But, that is not the way of the Senate, which works in rather uninspiring ways.

She spent 13 hours enduring this crap.  It's roughly the equivalent of preparing for a colonoscopy.  You gotta do it, even though it is far from enjoyable.

W wine+artMember
@irwin posted:

On the Supreme Court nomination hearings:  These hearings are dreadful.  A 13 hour day used for Senators to pontificate, make a record, and play to their bases.  Judge Jackson is quite obviously extremely well qualified, and rather brilliant.  She should be confirmed without further ado.  But, that is not the way of the Senate, which works in rather uninspiring ways.

She spent 13 hours enduring this crap.  It's roughly the equivalent of preparing for a colonoscopy.  You gotta do it, even though it is far from enjoyable.

Yep. A summary judgment seems in order here.

winetarelliwinetarelliMember
@irwin posted:

On the Supreme Court nomination hearings:  These hearings are dreadful.  A 13 hour day used for Senators to pontificate, make a record, and play to their bases.  Judge Jackson is quite obviously extremely well qualified, and rather brilliant.  She should be confirmed without further ado.  But, that is not the way of the Senate, which works in rather uninspiring ways.

She spent 13 hours enduring this crap.  It's roughly the equivalent of preparing for a colonoscopy.  You gotta do it, even though it is far from enjoyable.

100%

irwinirwinMember

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro...above-222059376.html

Oops.

Meanwhile, in Baltimore, we have a head prosecutor (called the "State's atty) who is elected.  She is under indictment for some mortgage fraud, having signed papers and purchased two properties in Florida, stating to the mortgage company that the houses would be her "principal residence" which, of course, is inconsistent with having to run an office in Baltimore. She is in her low 40's, so it's not a retirement thing.  By lying she got a lower interest rate and has already flipped one of the properties in 1 year or so for a 30% profit, selling it to someone from Baltimore who claims not to know her.  Moreover, claiming financial Hardship to her travel company (which has not yet operated) she obtained some federal loans of covid relief money.  Financial distress for a company that has yet to operate? She makes $250K per year in her job (from which she is absent for about 25% of the time) and her husband, the head of the city council, makes about $125K.  Well, it has now come out that her grandfather contributed to her campaign in 2021 and to her husband's campaign in 2017, based on their disclosure forms.  Nothing wrong there, except the grandfather died in 2015. Another oops.

What is wrong with people? Why do they cheat?  I just don't understand why they think they are immune from prosecution.

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C csmMember
@irwin posted:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro...above-222059376.html

Oops.

Meanwhile, in Baltimore, we have a head prosecutor (called the "State's atty) who is elected.  She is under indictment for some mortgage fraud, having signed papers and purchased two properties in Florida, stating to the mortgage company that the houses would be her "principal residence" which, of course, is inconsistent with having to run an office in Baltimore. She is in her low 40's, so it's not a retirement thing.  By lying she got a lower interest rate and has already flipped one of the properties in 1 year or so for a 30% profit, selling it to someone from Baltimore who claims not to know her.  Moreover, claiming financial Hardship to her travel company (which has not yet operated) she obtained some federal loans of covid relief money.  Financial distress for a company that has yet to operate? She makes $250K per year in her job (from which she is absent for about 25% of the time) and her husband, the head of the city council, makes about $125K.  Well, it has now come out that her grandfather contributed to her campaign in 2021 and to her husband's campaign in 2017, based on their disclosure forms.  Nothing wrong there, except the grandfather died in 2015. Another oops.

What is wrong with people? Why do they cheat?  I just don't understand why they think they are immune from prosecution.

What immediately came to mind when I read this.  Not sure why.



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bmanbmanMember
@napacat posted:

Have to admit I don't know much about her...but not a huge fan of Macron.    People are tired of career politicians.  It's tiring.  Look at Feinstein.  Term limits are desperately needed.

They're both career politicians.

And if people really are tired of career politicians why do they keep electing them?  Maybe because politics is like any other profession:  experience is a good thing?

W wine+artMember
@bman posted:

They're both career politicians.

And if people really are tired of career politicians why do they keep electing them?  Maybe because politics is like any other profession:  experience is a good thing?

One could easily argue Le Pen is far more the career politician.

Term limits, absolutely agree. I will never forget seeing Storm Thurmond being pushed in for a vote in a wheelchair and his assistant taking his hand to help him actually vote. Term limits and outlaw gerrymandering would be very high on my wish list.

bmanbmanMember
@wine+art posted:

One could easily argue Le Pen is far more the career politician.

Term limits, absolutely agree. I will never forget seeing Storm Thurmond being pushed in for a vote in a wheelchair and his assistant taking his hand to help him actually vote. Term limits and outlaw gerrymandering would be very high on my wish list.

Agree.  I'd add a requirement that all primaries be open, which might help reduce the extremism on both sides when only party loyalists are allowed to vote.  There would be possible downsides (i.e. supporters of one party voting for the worst candidates of the other party) but at the moment it seems that primary candidates try to appeal only to the real nutters in their party. 

irwinirwinMember

I can't imagine what is in a kindergarten or 1st or 2nd grade math text that has anything to do with CRT.  Of course, it has been a lot of time since I've seen a kindergarten math text (if I ever did).  In my view:

One Black person, plus one Latino, plus one Caucasian equals three human beings.  Maybe Gov. de Santis has a different view of this.

patespo1patespo1Member
@irwin posted:

I can't imagine what is in a kindergarten or 1st or 2nd grade math text that has anything to do with CRT.  Of course, it has been a lot of time since I've seen a kindergarten math text (if I ever did).  In my view:

One Black person, plus one Latino, plus one Caucasian equals three human beings.  Maybe Gov. de Santis has a different view of this.

I have yet to see an example from one of the math texts, would be interesting to see what is so bothersome. 

+1 on your example

S seaquamMember
@irwin posted:
However, based on what I know about algebra, this page looks pretty fake.

I’m not sure about that, Irwin. Algebra’s pretty dynamic. Aren’t they always adding more numbers and symbols? And the value of  X keeps changing, almost every time it’s used. You could say the same for Y. There's probably a new formula for prostitution that kids have to learn to apply correctly.

i guess that’s why they call it the New Math.

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G g-manMember
@Vino Me posted:

Patespo, Here is an example for you. References to rape, prostitution and drug dealing in math text books.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...-examples/ar-AAWiNCz

VM

So interestingly that's not actually from a textbook at all.

It's a single page assignment by someone who thinks folks should learn literature in a different format.  The full page even has "not a math assignment" on it.  Now some teachers, probably are giving it to their math students because .. there are lazy teachers out there.  That meme has been around for over 5?-7? years now

That said, I  am more upset that the current iteration of math in this country forces one to understand english.  English, being such a precise language, is just that much better at teaching algebra, especially when trying to figure out if "kind of", "possibly", really means y=mx+b.   Speaking of offensive, my 2nd grader came home with a , if 3 wise men gave 3 gifts each to our lord and saviour, how many gifts total were given.

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irwinirwinMember

"Speaking of offensive, my 2nd grader came home with a , if 3 wise men gave 3 gifts each to our lord and saviour, how many gifts total were given."

Yes, that is offensive.  My mother went to public schools in Boston and was made to recite the Lord's Prayer and to sing Christmas carols. (We're Jewish).  Of course, the joke was on them as to the singing, since my mother was tone deaf.

N napacatMember
@irwin posted:

I can't imagine what is in a kindergarten or 1st or 2nd grade math text that has anything to do with CRT.  Of course, it has been a lot of time since I've seen a kindergarten math text (if I ever did).  In my view:

One Black person, plus one Latino, plus one Caucasian equals three human beings.  Maybe Gov. de Santis has a different view of this.

If you don't know what is in the text book...how can you say you disagree with them not allowing it into the curriculum?

irwinirwinMember
@napacat posted:

If you don't know what is in the text book...how can you say you disagree with them not allowing it into the curriculum?

I'm going to go down the street from my office to visit the local elementary school.  Can't do it until next week. Hopefully, I will make it through security and I will check out our Maryland math texts for little kids.

N napacatMember
@g-man posted:

If you don't know what is in the text book... how can you say you agree with them not allowing it into the curriculum?

It is the premise I am not agreeing with.  You don't need to teach Gender identity to K - 3rd grade kids.  I am not the one banning specific books.  You're just conflating the actual argument to try and make a point (which you certainly did not do).  Try again. 

G g-manMember
@napacat posted:

It is the premise I am not agreeing with.  You don't need to teach Gender identity to K - 3rd grade kids.  I am not the one banning specific books.  You're just conflating the actual argument to try and make a point (which you certainly did not do).  Try again.

you didnt even see what's in the textbook to make that point. I did and I linked it for  you as an actual source.

As with gender identity, werent you the one pushing for kids to be told they're boys or girls?  Now you're arguing against it?

I'm not conflating anything, you have no argument nor a point.  The best you can do is copy and paste non original ideas that clearly have no logical point nor is backed by your actual study of the topic.

Way to be a lazy sheep.

G g-manMember

The fun news of Desantis stripping disney of special status.

i wonder where the two florida counties are going to come up with the billion+ of operating costs to support the facilities that disney currently provides.

Not to mention longer running pension and health benefits that will be offered to the local government employees that will now have to be hired.

billhikebillhikeMember
@g-man posted:

The fun news of Desantis stripping disney of special status.

i wonder where the two florida counties are going to come up with the billion+ of operating costs to support the facilities that disney currently provides.

Not to mention longer running pension and health benefits that will be offered to the local government employees that will now have to be hired.

Maybe all that tariff money we are “charging China”?

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wineismylifewineismylifeMember
@g-man posted:

The fun news of Desantis stripping disney of special status.

i wonder where the two florida counties are going to come up with the billion+ of operating costs to support the facilities that disney currently provides.

Not to mention longer running pension and health benefits that will be offered to the local government employees that will now have to be hired.

Don't forget the billion dollars in bonds that'll need to be paid back.  Under Florida law those fall on the entity that takes over once the special district is dissolved.

Unintended consequences DumbAssDeSantis.

G g-manMember
@wineismylife posted:

Don't forget the billion dollars in bonds that'll need to be paid back.  Under Florida law those fall on the entity that takes over once the special district is dissolved.

Unintended consequences DumbAssDeSantis.

honestly, if i were a major shareholder of disney, I'd heavily ask them to play that exact arbitrage.

I'd load up on 100 billion worth of bonds and stick it to the govt.

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N napacatMember
@g-man posted:

you didnt even see what's in the textbook to make that point. I did and I linked it for  you as an actual source.

As with gender identity, werent you the one pushing for kids to be told they're boys or girls?  Now you're arguing against it?

I'm not conflating anything, you have no argument nor a point.  The best you can do is copy and paste non original ideas that clearly have no logical point nor is backed by your actual study of the topic.

Way to be a lazy sheep.

Again...in case you cannot understand...I am opposed to the premise in general (of teaching Gender identity to children in K- 3rd) not a specific book.  One does not need to read a specific book to disagree with the premise.

Kids don't need to be told / taught they are boys or girls...they just are.  You are one or the other. Really quite simple. 

The point is a 3 - 5 year old cannot comprehend the complexities of gender identity.  If you cannot understand that (and the others here)...no point of discussing at all. 

It is quite incomprehensible how anyone could want to teach that to such a young group of children.  That is a parental issue ...

G g-manMember
@napacat posted:

Again...in case you cannot understand...I am opposed to the premise in general (of teaching Gender identity to children in K- 3rd) not a specific book.  One does not need to read a specific book to disagree with the premise.

Kids don't need to be told / taught they are boys or girls...they just are.  You are one or the other. Really quite simple.

The point is a 3 - 5 year old cannot comprehend the complexities of gender identity.  If you cannot understand that (and the others here)...no point of discussing at all.

It is quite incomprehensible how anyone could want to teach that to such a young group of children.  That is a parental issue ...

at best a straw man simply because all the text books on the list for k-5th grade math do not actually teach CRT nor discuss gender identity but were banned anyway.

you clearly failed at math back when you attended whatever grade of school you did.  The burden of logical proof is on the accuser, I have given you a clear negative proof that no such topic was in the textbook yet you revert back to baseless statements.

if you can not understand that any asshole can make a random opinion and expect those of us intelligent enough to call bullshit on actually believing said random opinion, then clearly there is little help for you.

The fact that you think governance in this country should actually be run by baseless opinion is even worse.  It's literally that simple.



funny, it's all about choice, until it disagrees with your opinion, then it's about asking the government to force someone else to believe your dumb opinion.

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irwinirwinMember
@g-man posted:

at best a straw man simply because all the text books on the list for k-5th grade math do not actually teach CRT nor discuss gender identity but were banned anyway.

you clearly failed at math back when you attended whatever grade of school you did.  The burden of logical proof is on the accuser, I have given you a clear negative proof that no such topic was in the textbook yet you revert back to baseless statements.

if you can not understand that any asshole can make a random opinion and expect those of us intelligent enough to call bullshit on actually believing said random opinion, then clearly there is little help for you.

The fact that you think governance in this country should actually be run by baseless opinion is even worse.  It's literally that simple.



funny, it's all about choice, until it disagrees with your opinion, then it's about asking the government to force someone else to believe your dumb opinion.

Your last paragraph, G-man, is spot on.  DeSantis would say he’s against the government regulating private industry.  Yet, he wants to regulate Disney. When cruise ships wanted to require proof of vaccination, DeSantis tried to force them not to have that standard, getting into a dust-off with Norwegian cruise line.  Florida has passed a restrictive abortion law, so it’s ok with DeSantis if the government steps into private lives.  
I fear this guy.  He is an angry and evil person.  

C csmMember
@irwin posted:

Your last paragraph, G-man, is spot on.  DeSantis would say he’s against the government regulating private industry.  Yet, he wants to regulate Disney. When cruise ships wanted to require proof of vaccination, DeSantis tried to force them not to have that standard, getting into a dust-off with Norwegian cruise line.  Florida has passed a restrictive abortion law, so it’s ok with DeSantis if the government steps into private lives.  
I fear this guy.  He is an angry and evil person.  

In fairness, you could easily find evidence of such contradictions about virtually every politician not just Ronnie D.

flwinoflwinoMember
@patespo1 posted:

He thinks he's a smarter version of 45, and is rallying that base for a run in 2024.  I'll be fine if we just keep him sequestered to Florida.

Please NO!!   We need to vote him out in November.  Will be a tough job now that he has reset districts etc. to "eliminate" the black, and democrat voters.   He believes the old rule that blacks are 80% of a person, and he is afraid of them all.  He is evil, satan, and any other word that can apply. He is against free speech as shown in the Disney ruling.  Tries to demonize anyone that disagrees with him.

We have two jerks called senators that will ass kiss all they can, as they wish to draw a salary, and do nothing to earn it.

wineismylifewineismylifeMember

He'll never make it on the national stage.  For one, he can't control the media in every state and kick out the ones he doesn't want there like he does his press conferences in Florida.  He'll be up 24/7 against bull dog like opposition that want nothing more than to hold him accountable and point out the ignorant lying thieving bastard he his.

billhikebillhikeMember
@wineismylife posted:

He'll never make it on the national stage.  For one, he can't control the media in every state and kick out the ones he doesn't want there like he does his press conferences in Florida.  He'll be up 24/7 against bull dog like opposition that want nothing more than to hold him accountable and point out the ignorant lying thieving bastard he his.

Unless he uses Putin as his media relations consultant.

G g-manMember
@irwin posted:

Here is a link to something from the NY Times which "explains" the textbook dustup in Florida.  I must say, I do not understand this at all.  Except, I see that the textbooks extol cooperation, which is to a tyrant, a bad thing.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/loo...ected-115847845.html

One of the examples in a banned math book at the 9-12th level was a legitimate poll on race.

As someone who works in the field of stats for a career, these are things that should be taught in 9-12.  These are real world examples that we should be using to teach the kids with actual outcomes that one can use to explain a real world issue using math.

I've always hated when some of the non math oriented folks say 'I've never needed to use algebra in my life" then complain about how they should teach kids how finance and mortgages work.  (and btw, everyone uses algebra in their life)

Makes you wonder who's really the snowflake here.