Poor George P. Bush. Sold out his family and his soul to bend the knee and kiss the ring of Donald Trump, and got thrown under the bus yesterday by him.
I expect he won't be very welcome at the Bush Family Thanksgiving this year.
"According to a GOP source, Trump endorsing Paxton is like Lucy and the football and Charlie Brown. Even sources close to Bush believed this is exactly what would happen and warned him not to publicly play up to the former President because Trump would once again take glee in embarrassing the Bush family."
glad that in my town in texas, the trump endorsed candidate lost . Good riddance
Oh and Trump's total GDP growth was the weakest by far of the past 8 presidents.
Biden's first crack at GDP numbers? 6.5%
"Trump to DOJ last December: 'Just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me.'"
Irony is Trump supporters who don't see the parallel with what they're pinning on Cuomo
Senate passes the infrastructure bill 69-30. Maybe there's hope for American democracy after all?
It's infrastructure week!
Does anyone know what time the Reinstatement Inauguration is scheduled for today? I thought it would be at Noon, like regular Inaugurations, but I don't think the Supreme Court has voted 9-0 yet to reinstate former President Trump, and I haven't heard that President Biden and Vice-President Kamala Harris have resigned.
I do know that the MyPillow Symposium finished up after a whirlwind 72 hours, so I assume that the promised mountains of concrete evidence of the fraudulent 2020 election have now come to light for all to see. So maybe it will be later this afternoon.
I hope that Rudy Giuliani gets appointed Attorney General! From what I can tell, he needs a steady paycheck to help defend the $1.3 billion Dominion lawsuit, and I don't think his Cameo videos are covering his fees. Do you have to have an active law license to be the AG, or can suspended attorneys hold the position? Inquiring for a friend.
@Rothko posted:
Does anyone know what time the Reinstatement Inauguration is scheduled for today? I thought it would be at Noon, like regular Inaugurations, but I don't think the Supreme Court has voted 9-0 yet to reinstate former President Trump, and I haven't heard that President Biden and Vice-President Kamala Harris have resigned.
I do know that the MyPillow Symposium finished up after a whirlwind 72 hours, so I assume that the promised mountains of concrete evidence of the fraudulent 2020 election have now come to light for all to see. So maybe it will be later this afternoon.
I hope that Rudy Giuliani gets appointed Attorney General! From what I can tell, he needs a steady paycheck to help defend the $1.3 billion Dominion lawsuit, and I don't think his Cameo videos are covering his fees. Do you have to have an active law license to be the AG, or can suspended attorneys hold the position? Inquiring for a friend.
@bman posted:
I would hate to think our very own forum village idiot wasted a trip to our nation’s capital today for nothing! After all, he predicted a Trump landslide. 🤣
Trump does deserve some credit, though. He managed to lose the house, senate and White House all in four years. That hasn’t happened since Hoover in 1932.
@wine+art posted:I would hate to think our very own forum village idiot wasted a trip to our nation’s capital today for nothing! After all, he predicted a Trump landslide. 🤣
Trump does deserve some credit, though. He managed to lose the house, senate and White House all in four years. That hasn’t happened since Hoover in 1932.
Don't jinx it! The day's not over yet!!
Give CNN credit. They are ripping Biden a new one over the handling of the Afghanistan exit. Try to think of one time the Fox "News" stood up to their master and said the truth.
Bashing Biden for Afghanistan doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Sure, the situation there is rather horrible. But, Trump campaigned and promised to pull out of Afghanistan, and it was Trump who negotiated a pull out with the Taliban leadership, and when Biden announced that he wanted all troops out by 9/11/21, Trump criticized him for pulling out too slowly.
Though the current secretary of state said that "Kabul is not Saigon" it sure seems that way to me at present. The difference is in the future: Vietnam gradually became a capitalist country, making all sorts of products which we import, and has tons of factories and has become a tourist destination. I don't see that happening with Afghanistan, at least not in my lifetime.
To me, the bashing of the current administration is for seemingly being completely unprepared and unaware.
20 years of nation building, trillions of dollars spent, thousands of soldiers lost. All gone. Yes, the country fell on Biden's watch, but it was many many years in the making. Just a terrible tragedy.
I'm reminded of how we cut bait a few years ago on the Kurds in northern Iraq and left them out to dry. And now we are doing it again, to our Afghan allies.
Considering on how Biden ran for Prez solely as I'm Not Trump and erased many of Trump's decisions within the first few months of his administration (NATO, Paris Accord, Border Immigration, 50 Executive actions, etc etc etc), it's sad that he is now blaming the previous administration for Afghan. He could have changed course like he has done so many times in 6 months.
As they say, “When you’re up to your ass in alligators, it’s too late to drain the swamp.”
It sure seems like Presidents get duped into these kinds of things by generals and admirals and military experts. I would assume that some military people advised Bush, Obama, Bush, etc that “We will be able to train the Afghan army to defend itself and to sustain the government on its own.” That sounds good. Even if it costs a bunch of money. It’s just that it was wrong, dreadfully so.
Someone must have told Kennedy that we’d be successful with the Bay of Pigs thing. Someone, like Westmoreland, must have told Johnson to just give more troops and more money, and we’d be able to preserve S. Vietnam.
These military advisors seem to be way over confident of the military’s ability and they vastly underestimate the perseverance of the enemy.
As to the current Afghanistan situation, some general must have told Biden to go ahead and withdraw the troops, that the Afghan army would control the country, that the embassy would be safe, etc. If I were Biden, I'd locate the idiots who suggested this and fire them.
Of all the moronic and cringeworthy things she's said in the last 7 or 8 months, hearing Psaki talk of the Taliban "making an assessment of what they want their role to be in the international community" as they go door-to-door searching for and beheading individuals that collaborated with the Americans has to be the worst.
@csm posted:...as they go door-to-door searching for and beheading individuals that collaborated with the Americans has to be the worst.
Can you please provide a citation for where this occurred? The only place I can find something even close to this is in the British "red tops." And even they aren't making the claim you are. Not saying it may not occur but making up stuff doesn't really help the discussion.
Among many things that stood out during Biden's speech (does he ever take questions?), was his emphasis that the U.S. has spent "over a trillion dollars" in Afghanistan." Kind of ironic when you consider how much money his administration is spending/ proposing (4.5 trillion+).
The pictures of the Afghans falling from our plane are heartbreaking.
@arsenal4ever posted:Among many things that stood out during Biden's speech (does he ever take questions?), was his emphasis that the U.S. has spent "over a trillion dollars" in Afghanistan." Kind of ironic when you consider how much money his administration is spending/ proposing (4.5 trillion+).
The pictures of the Afghans falling from our plane are heartbreaking.
4.5 trillion in Afghanistan?
@The Old Man posted:Can you please provide a citation for where this occurred? The only place I can find something even close to this is in the British "red tops." And even they aren't making the claim you are. Not saying it may not occur but making up stuff doesn't really help the discussion.
She made the comment about the Taliban assessing its place in the international community. I added the part about beheading US collaborators. Which is something you can google quite easily. They are beheading Afghan troops, even surrendering ones, and at least one interpreter for the US military was beheaded. All reported on cnn. Some say executed but their preferred means for execution is beheading. Or stoning to death when it’s a woman.
@csm posted:She made the comment about the Taliban assessing its place in the international community. I added the part about beheading US collaborators. Which is something you can google quite easily. They are beheading Afghan troops, even surrendering ones, and at least one interpreter for the US military was beheaded. All reported on cnn. Some say executed but their preferred means for execution is beheading. Or stoning to death when it’s a woman.
"Some say."
This is what you wrote, "as they go door-to-door searching for and beheading individuals that collaborated with the Americans has to be the worst."
Got it, with all your deflection you do not have a case you can cite for the untruth you told. Carry on.
I googled CNN Taliban Beheading and found one unconfirmed story from June this year about a translator being beheaded, and others from years ago. Nothing else. And nothing about the Taliban going door to door searching for and beheading individuals who collaborated with the Americans.
@bman posted:I googled CNN Taliban Beheading and found one unconfirmed story from June this year about a translator being beheaded, and others from years ago. Nothing else. And nothing about the Taliban going door to door searching for and beheading individuals who collaborated with the Americans.
I guess it's a technique, just make stuff up. Too much Fox News? I am not saying it can't and won't happen but but it sure does handicap a discussion when you just don't stick to facts.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ne...ehind-204700201.html
The Taliban says they are impostors. We should totally take them at their word. Beyond reproach those people. I’m sure they’re all getting a last meal and a lethal injection. A long nap really.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ghanistan/vi-AANnVBW
https://news.sky.com/story/afg...ps-to-power-12382946
I should really cut them some slack. They are trying to be open and inclusive. This time they mean it I’m sure
@csm posted:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ghanistan/vi-AANnVBW
https://news.sky.com/story/afg...ps-to-power-12382946
I should really cut them some slack. They are trying to be open and inclusive. This time they mean it I’m sure
These are not links to prove what you said. I'd give it up at this point.
@The Old Man posted:These are not links to prove what you said. I'd give it up at this point.
I will definitely give up talking to you.
@csm posted:I will definitely give up talking to you.
As they say, tell me no lies.
CSM - Unfortunately, when beheadings occur and are televised by al jezeera, as they have in the past, your point will be made. Women and children, along with men who aided our effort, will pay for this administration's ineptness. Biden owns this, and he doesn't regret his decision.
@arsenal4ever posted:CSM - Unfortunately, when beheadings occur and are televised by al jezeera, as they have in the past, your point will be made. Women and children, along with men who aided our effort, will pay for this administration's ineptness. Biden owns this, and he doesn't regret his decision.
He said it was CURRENTLY occurring. It is not true. I've already said twice that things could certainly go that way. You just can't make stuff up to make your point and then not own up to it when caught.
@arsenal4ever posted:CSM - Unfortunately, when beheadings occur and are televised by al jezeera, as they have in the past, your point will be made. Women and children, along with men who aided our effort, will pay for this administration's ineptness. Biden owns this, and he doesn't regret his decision.
You remember that the previous President made a deal last year with the Taliban to cease hostilities and have all American military leave this year, right? Which gave the Taliban the time and timeline to make the deals with warlords and regional Afghan military officials, which made an eventual Taliban takeover inevitable. Do you really think the delusional Donnie Dickhead would have done any better?
@arsenal4ever posted:CSM - Unfortunately, when beheadings occur and are televised by al jezeera, as they have in the past, your point will be made. Women and children, along with men who aided our effort, will pay for this administration's ineptness. Biden owns this, and he doesn't regret his decision.
I should have said executed rather than beheaded. I only assumed that beheading was occurring based on the cnn report from 3 weeks ago (apparently unconfirmed) and the Taliban‘s history of beheading males. My bad. The means by which people are being executed is important and I shouldn’t have assumed.
Although I could be 100% off base about killings period. The NYT is reporting the door to door searches were being conducted by the Taliban. But it was just in an effort to get the bureaucrats back to work in order to keep the government running.
bman - I doubt seriously if Trump could have done any better then Biden, but i also doubt that he could have done any worse. Biden blamed everyone he could, before he finally said he owned it. Enough said. Whatever happens now, including more Afghans falling to their death off our planes, and women and children falling victim to the Taliban, Biden owns it.
All that can be said is wow. Some of you people are just moronic at trying to “stick with your side”. This is most likely the worst presidential administration in history.
And that Billhike character...comprehend much? The $4.5 trillion is referring to the non-sensical infrastructure numbers...not what is proposed to be spent in Afghanistan. Christ your a dolt.
@napacat posted:All that can be said is wow. Some of you people are just moronic at trying to “stick with your side”. This is most likely the worst presidential administration in history.
And that Billhike character...comprehend much? The $4.5 trillion is referring to the non-sensical infrastructure numbers...not what is proposed to be spent in Afghanistan. Christ your a dolt.
Ah, someone turned a light on and scared the cockroach out into the open for a second. I know what the 4.5 is being spent on, asswipe. I thought it was silly to compare the two referenced expenditures. Clearly you don’t see past the end of your turd-stained nose.
@napacat posted:All that can be said is wow. Some of you people are just moronic at trying to “stick with your side”. This is most likely the worst presidential administration in history.
And that Billhike character...comprehend much? The $4.5 trillion is referring to the non-sensical infrastructure numbers...not what is proposed to be spent in Afghanistan. Christ your a dolt.
How very rich. 🤣😂
The little Napa fool resurfaces after his boy goes down in historic flames . Hey Napa, if you are going to call someone a dolt, at least do it properly!
Your a dolt? Try you’re a dolt. You write like the orange pile of dung you fluff!
I just find it so amazing that military advisors to our presidents are wrong so often, and completely wrong at that. Yet, our Presidents seem to always listen to them. I should watch Dr. Strangelove again soon. (Favorite line: "You can't fight here, this is the war room!")
@napacat posted:This is most likely the worst presidential administration in history.
I can think of one or two others.
@wine+art posted:How very rich. 🤣😂
The little Napa fool resurfaces after his boy goes down in historic flames . Hey Napa, if you are going to call someone a dolt, at least do it properly!Your a dolt? Try you’re a dolt. You write like the orange pile of dung you fluff!
Ok...trying it now. You're a Dolt. That felt good. You probably think everything is going smoothly with this clown in office. Defend it!
@Rothko posted:I can think of one or two others.
As can I...Carter and Obama.
@napacat posted:Ok...trying it now. You're a Dolt. That felt good. You probably think everything is going smoothly with this clown in office. Defend it!
Haha. The mental midget try’s again. 🤣
At the end of the day you can't force western style democracy on everyone. There are certain places and people who will always prefer a strong leader to tell them how to live. The middle east has always been tribal, fiercely regional and strongly prefers dominant leadership. It won't take decades to change, it will take centuries.
The mistake is not allowing dictatorship because we need to "give them democracy". It's better that have your dictator in charge because one will be and if it's not yours it will be someone else's.
The West shoudl have never allowed the Shah of Iran to be ousted. Iran would have been better and much more western, Lebanon would have been the same, that would have flowed into Afghanistan, Syrah and Pakistan.
@robsutherland posted:At the end of the day you can't force western style democracy on everyone. There are certain places and people who will always prefer a strong leader to tell them how to live. The middle east has always been tribal, fiercely regional and strongly prefers dominant leadership. It won't take decades to change, it will take centuries.
The mistake is not allowing dictatorship because we need to "give them democracy". It's better that have your dictator in charge because one will be and if it's not yours it will be someone else's.
I don't remember which American senior official said it decades ago but I remember one of them saying "He may be a son of a bitch, but he's OUR son of a bitch!"
@wine+art posted:Haha. The mental midget try’s again. 🤣
You know...those that like to "seem" intellectual and try and correct the spelling of others should not really use the word try's. One would think that someone who is a pseudo-intellectual such as yourself...would know better. But I guess not.
Should I use a smiley face after that?
I’m not sure which is funnier - the meltdown or rapid descent in logic from a starting point that was already low. Quite entertaining. Especially the part where he’s too stupid to know his own idiocy is being made fun of.
@billhike posted:I’m not sure which is funnier - the meltdown or rapid descent in logic from a starting point that was already low. Quite entertaining. Especially the part where he’s too stupid to know his own idiocy is being made fun of.
Of course you don't know...
@napacat posted:You know...those that like to "seem" intellectual and try and correct the spelling of others should not really use the word try's. One would think that someone who is a pseudo-intellectual such as yourself...would know better. But I guess not.
Should I use a smiley face after that?
Good catch! I just typed it again and predictive text once again posted ‘ try’s.’ Lesson learned. Pay more attention!
You didn’t make a spelling error, it was pure grammar.
For something really random and off topic, we are having an offline tonight! 12 of us with a fantastic lineup of wines. Will post later this week.
@billhike posted:For something really random and off topic, we are having an offline tonight! 12 of us with a fantastic lineup of wines. Will post later this week.
We're doing the same thing tonight with some of the Toronto crew. 02/04/08 Sir Winston, 96/10 de l'Oree, '07 Egon Muller Scharzhofberger Spatlese, 1995 Gagnard-Delagrange Batard Montrachet, 01 Il Carbonaione, 1995 Castello di Ama L'Apparita, 08 Benjamin Leroux Corton Charlemagne
Rob - sweet! Cheers to the TWC.
So Gov. Newsom is being recalled, and so far all we've seen in CA are commercials by Warren supporting him. Supposedly, Biden and Harris were also going public in support. After yesterday's horrendous debacle by Biden, and Harris' " I never visited Europe either," not sure if Newsome can afford their help.
@arsenal4ever posted:So Gov. Newsom is being recalled,
"Being" means currently happening, or it already occurred. This is not true. A recall election is happening. Like with CSM a little more thought before typing will go a long way. The main thing about he recall is if it's successful we will almost certainly have a governor who "believes" the Big Lie and also will take a Deadly DeSantis viewpoint toward the virus. We don't need a person who believes in one of these things let alone two.
I wish to renew my pledge to give up talking to The Old Man.
TOM - I agree that Newsom is subject to a recall vote on Sept. 14, and also agree that we don't want a Gov who believes in the Big Lie. But since 9 of the 40+ candidates are Democrats in our very blue state, it's likely that if Newsom is recalled, another Democrat will replace him. Then Newsom won't have to worry about pesky people taking pictures of him when he dines at The French Laundry with lobbyists while not following his own Covid protocols that you and I were expected to adhere to.
I agree. But I think some people are misreading some people. (I know it's funny to put it like that.) The followers of Dear Leader, and Dear Leader himself, can never admit any wrong. Everything he did was perfect because he is, like Christ, perfect. (Isn't it ironic that people said about followers and fans of Obama that he was their messiah? But no one puts religion and politics closer than a Bible thumpin' Trumpian voter.) I believe Democrats are more likely to not only criticize their leaders ,but even champion their resignation when they are out of bounds. Example Andrew Cuomo.
I never was gaga for any politician but certainly wanted Obama over the alternatives.I thought he was frequently inept. I like Joe Biden but I think this was very mishandled. He made a terrible mistake and he semi-owned up to it, not perfect, but better than the last 5 years. I am glad we are getting out of Afghanistan. Especially after having watched those years in Vietnam. No matter when the band-aid was torn off it was always going to be horrible for much of the population. As long as the United States remains a democracy (I have my doubts beginning in 2024) we are very lucky to live here.
I'd like to point out that the so called liberal media of The Washington Post, The New York Times, CNN, and MSNBC, are all tearing into Biden on this issue. Did Fox News even once criticize the last guy? When you back a perfect man, why bother?
@robsutherland posted:We're doing the same thing tonight with some of the Toronto crew. 02/04/08 Sir Winston, 96/10 de l'Oree, '07 Egon Muller Scharzhofberger Spatlese, 1995 Gagnard-Delagrange Batard Montrachet, 01 Il Carbonaione, 1995 Castello di Ama L'Apparita, 08 Benjamin Leroux Corton Charlemagne
Saw some pics on IG, curious how the Sir Winston all compared. I've enjoyed the '04 multiple times, how did he '08 stack up to it? TIA
(I realized I'm asking for Tasting Notes, but they seem to be Random and Off Topic these days...)
@patespo1 posted:Saw some pics on IG, curious how the Sir Winston all compared. I've enjoyed the '04 multiple times, how did he '08 stack up to it? TIA
(I realized I'm asking for Tasting Notes, but they seem to be Random and Off Topic these days...)
'04 was very advanced compared to both the '02 and obviously the '08. '02 was the best today and very youthful, I think the '08 will be better but not for another 5-10 years.
The '04 on it's own would have been wonderful (though very bolly like) but was too much sherry against the freshness of the other two.
@wine+art posted:Good catch! I just typed it again and predictive text once again posted ‘ try’s.’ Lesson learned. Pay more attention!
You didn’t make a spelling error, it was pure grammar.
Try's is not a word. If you are relying on Microsoft spellcheck...your in trouble.
@The Old Man posted:I agree. But I think some people are misreading some people. (I know it's funny to put it like that.) The followers of Dear Leader, and Dear Leader himself, can never admit any wrong. Everything he did was perfect because he is, like Christ, perfect. (Isn't it ironic that people said about followers and fans of Obama that he was their messiah? But no one puts religion and politics closer than a Bible thumpin' Trumpian voter.) I believe Democrats are more likely to not only criticize their leaders ,but even champion their resignation when they are out of bounds. Example Andrew Cuomo.
I never was gaga for any politician but certainly wanted Obama over the alternatives.I thought he was frequently inept. I like Joe Biden but I think this was very mishandled. He made a terrible mistake and he semi-owned up to it, not perfect, but better than the last 5 years. I am glad we are getting out of Afghanistan. Especially after having watched those years in Vietnam. No matter when the band-aid was torn off it was always going to be horrible for much of the population. As long as the United States remains a democracy (I have my doubts beginning in 2024) we are very lucky to live here.
I'd like to point out that the so called liberal media of The Washington Post, The New York Times, CNN, and MSNBC, are all tearing into Biden on this issue. Did Fox News even once criticize the last guy? When you back a perfect man, why bother?
Your generalizations are just so far off. You say you voted for Obama because the alternatives were not great. I voted for Trump (twice) because the alternatives were terrible (Hillary and Biden) and the later is proving to be unbelievably true. The US has not had the best group of candidates for President in a long time. Politics is ugly, but so very important as it effects our daily lives. The two sides have zero in common any more and it is just getting worse.
If you can defend what is going on at the Southern border, then you are too far gone. If you can defend what is going on in Afghanistan then you are too far gone. If you can defend the anti-policy and riots of 2020...then you are too far gone.
@napacat posted:Your generalizations are just so far off. You say you voted for Obama because the alternatives were not great. I voted for Trump (twice) because the alternatives were terrible (Hillary and Biden) and the later is proving to be unbelievably true. The US has not had the best group of candidates for President in a long time. Politics is ugly, but so very important as it effects our daily lives. The two sides have zero in common any more and it is just getting worse.
If you can defend what is going on at the Southern border, then you are too far gone. If you can defend what is going on in Afghanistan then you are too far gone. If you can defend the anti-policy and riots of 2020...then you are too far gone.
Won't speak for TOM and what he does or does not want to defend. I will say that if you are willing to tolerate a party that incites, supported, and continues to support the worst domestic terrorism we've seen since the Civil War (January 6th at our Capitol)...then you passed the Too Far Gone line a long time ago.
@patespo1 posted:Won't speak for TOM and what he does or does not want to defend.
I no longer respond to NapaTroll. It's pretty easy; he's such a lightweight.
@patespo1 posted:Won't speak for TOM and what he does or does not want to defend. I will say that if you are willing to tolerate a party that incites, supported, and continues to support the worst domestic terrorism we've seen since the Civil War (January 6th at our Capitol)...then you passed the Too Far Gone line a long time ago.
Oh dear God...your an idiot. That was some takeover of the Federal Government. Domestic terrorism on steroids....right! All should be in jail who took place in destroying any part of the Capitol or violating any laws.
See...not so hard to be reasonable and stand by the rule of law. Like everyone of the looters and rioters who broke the law in 2020 (or whenever) should be prosecuted.
@napacat posted:Oh dear God...your an idiot. That was some takeover of the Federal Government. Domestic terrorism on steroids....right! All should be in jail who took place in destroying any part of the Capitol or violating any laws.
See...not so hard to be reasonable and stand by the rule of law. Like everyone of the looters and rioters who broke the law in 2020 (or whenever) should be prosecuted.
I'm glad you believe in responsibility. I assume this extends to 45 and all of the politicians that incited the rioters with months and months of bullshit theories about stolen election and how to 'stop the steal', as well as the current Republicans that are trying to cover up what happened or pretend they were just 'tourists', correct?
I don't have any problem whatsoever with people who thought the election was not fair. I think there were a lot of things that were not done in accordance with the law. Bit I don't necessarily agree with intentionally stoking doubt about an unfair or stolen election.
And it extends everywhere, but I don't see that same resolution coming from the other side. Video is being scrutinized to see who was at the Capitol, but not scrutinized to see who was rioting and looting businesses. I am ok with prosecuting all of them. You have to apply the rule of law uniformly.
LA Times,, "Arrests during George Floyd protests swell to near 3,000 in L.A. County; many are locals."
You're a fucking idiot.
@The Old Man posted:I no longer respond to NapaTroll. It's pretty easy; he's such a lightweight.
That lasted long… 😂🤣
@billhike posted:That lasted long… 😂🤣
🤣
I admit it I couldn't help myself. He says such stupid things.
Biden's interview today with ABC's Stephanopoulos. I'm beginning to think he's as addled as our last Prez. Maybe at 78 he's showing senility?
He thinks the pictures of unrest in Kabul, of people falling from our planes, was 4-5 days ago. It actually happened Monday. Where did the time go Joe?
@The Old Man posted:LA Times,, "Arrests during George Floyd protests swell to near 3,000 in L.A. County; many are locals."
You're a fucking idiot.
Oh please you old fuck...and with the no bail policies put in place throughout the U.S. they are back on the streets in hours. Mayors or some morons from the squad say looting is a form redistribution of wealth. Wake up. I'm an idiot...your a liberal moron if you think this presidency is going well. Actually, I take that back...I like liberals in the true sense of the word. You're a progressive accomplice.
@napacat posted:Oh please you old fuck...and with the no bail policies put in place throughout the U.S. they are back on the streets in hours. Mayors or some morons from the squad say looting is a form redistribution of wealth. Wake up. I'm an idiot...your a liberal moron if you think this presidency is going well. Actually, I take that back...I like liberals in the true sense of the word. You're a progressive accomplice.
Since you’re big into names and labels, from this moment on you shall be known as Chief of all Dumbasses - CHOAD for short. Let it be done.
@napacat posted:Oh please you old fuck...and with the no bail policies put in place throughout the U.S. they are back on the streets in hours. Mayors or some morons from the squad say looting is a form redistribution of wealth. Wake up. I'm an idiot...your a liberal moron if you think this presidency is going well. Actually, I take that back...I like liberals in the true sense of the word. You're a progressive accomplice.
For you kids out there studying logical fallacies, this is known as moving the goal post.
"your (sic) a liberal moron if you think this presidency is going well."
I have never talked about how this presidency is going. Kids this one is known as a straw man argument.
@irwin posted:I just find it so amazing that military advisors to our presidents are wrong so often, and completely wrong at that. Yet, our Presidents seem to always listen to them. I should watch Dr. Strangelove again soon. (Favorite line: "You can't fight here, this is the war room!")
"Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say that no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops! Uh, depending on the breaks."
Happy that all of the infectious disease experts with medical degrees from the University of Facebook comments section are now applying their expertise to international relations and the plight of the Afghans. Thank god for wine.
@billhike posted:No shit. Wine and dogs. And music.
Come up here, the weed's legal too.
Yes. Especially since we can't drive across the border for another month at least!
@robsutherland posted:Come up here, the weed's legal too.
Noted, in case I start to partake. 😎
@robsutherland posted:Come up here, the weed's legal too.
Same here in roughly 50% of the states. Getting there.
@csm posted:Yes. Especially since we can't drive across the border for another month at least!
Among other bottles, I have a 1987 Dunn Napa Valley that's been sitting at room temperature in Lewiston for 17 months. When the border does finally open, I think I'm going to have to pop it and guzzle it right there in parking lot.
@sunnylea57 posted:Among other bottles, I have a 1987 Dunn Napa Valley that's been sitting at room temperature in Lewiston for 17 months. When the border does finally open, I think I'm going to have to pop it and guzzle it right there in parking lot.
I hear ya. I've got two cases sitting in White Plains, but at least they are being stored properly.
So this guy, Mike Richards, was picked to be the next permanent host of Jeopardy, to succeed Alex Trebek who had died. Then a firestorm occurred relating to allegations made in the past about Richards, to the effect that he was involved in some sexual harassment litigation years ago. That litigation was settled 8-10 yrs ago. A final release was signed.He has now been bounced as the new host of the TV show.Two things:1) It’s ok that Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas can be on the S. Ct., but this guy can’t host a game show?2) Since the initial litigation was resolved, isn’t rejecting Mr. Richards a violation of the “Double Jeopardy” rules?
@robsutherland posted:Come up here, the weed's legal too.
looking up flights now! haha though i dont think canada will let folks coming from texas in
https://www.wrdw.com/2021/08/1...e-here-records-show/
coughcough voter fraud cough cough
Spike Lee, who've I never liked except his brilliant directorial debut She's Gotta Have It, got the gig from HBO to make a major documentary series on the 20th anniversary of 9/11, NYC Epicenters 9/11-2021½. Turns out he is a Sept. 11th "truther." Believes all the standard conspiracy theories including that the buildings were brought down in a controlled demolition. Having him as the director for this project is a disgrace.
i was going through some stuff about evolution and viruses and hit upon a wild thought back in the bush era when "creationism" and intelligent design as all the buzz and the responses and reasoning ring strikingly similar to anti vaxxers
No one is talking about the admin's massive mishandling of Afghanistan? Everyone is ok with it? Proud of your government? Secretary of State? President?
It's embarrassing and shameful.
@irwin posted:So this guy, Mike Richards, was picked to be the next permanent host of Jeopardy, to succeed Alex Trebek who had died. Then a firestorm occurred relating to allegations made in the past about Richards, to the effect that he was involved in some sexual harassment litigation years ago. That litigation was settled 8-10 yrs ago. A final release was signed.He has now been bounced as the new host of the TV show.Two things:1) It’s ok that Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas can be on the S. Ct., but this guy can’t host a game show?2) Since the initial litigation was resolved, isn’t rejecting Mr. Richards a violation of the “Double Jeopardy” rules?
This guy got railroaded. Mike Richards should be the host...he was pretty good. So was Lavar Burton. Who are these assholes who have to go find something someone said twenty years ago? And why would anyone listen to them. Sad state of affairs.
@napacat posted:No one is talking about the admin's massive mishandling of Afghanistan? Everyone is ok with it? Proud of your government? Secretary of State? President?
It's embarrassing and shameful.
Didn't trump sign a "peace treaty" with thr Taliban? Oh right. Still being a sheep I see. Keep copy pasting
@napacat posted:No one is talking about the admin's massive mishandling of Afghanistan? Everyone is ok with it? Proud of your government? Secretary of State? President?
It's embarrassing and shameful.
Do you mean the Secretary of State who negotiated the deal with Taliban and the President who signed his deal or the current ones? Re the latter, it certainly is a tragic mess but doubt it would have gone any better under another President who decided to have all troops leave Afghanistan.
@bman posted:Do you mean the Secretary of State who negotiated the deal with Taliban and the President who signed his deal or the current ones? Re the latter, it certainly is a tragic mess but doubt it would have gone any better under another President who decided to have all troops leave Afghanistan.
Typical of a certain crowd to never offer any concrete thought out solutions.
The dishonest care and concern just so they can bleat just a little louder and longer.
Honestly. Any outcome, tragic or not, would be met with disdain and criticism. it is not worthwhile engaging someone with no original thought nor having the ability to utilize standard debate semantics and even worse, an individual who is unable to understand how to separate random inane comments from defensible arguments.
200-250 Americans still remain in Afghanistan. So much for Biden's promise. Was he delusional?
President Biden on August 19: "If there's American citizens left [on August 31], we're gonna stay to get them all out."
@arsenal4ever posted:200-250 Americans still remain in Afghanistan. So much for Biden's promise. Was he delusional?
President Biden on August 19: "If there's American citizens left [on August 31], we're gonna stay to get them all out."
It’s inexcusable how this has gone down.
I for one, would like to blame obama for causing hurricane ida to increase the price of gas.
Some of the Americans who are still there may have desired to stay. That would be irrational in my thinking, but would not surprise me. And they may get out later in one way or the other.
Personally I am happy we are finally out of there.
I'm sure there are a number of them who don't want to get out, not at this time. This is a terrible mess however, I don't see how it could have ended much better. The innocent often come out bad. War is a terrible thing.. This war became pretty pointless a long time ago. A forever war can only benefit those who make money off military weaponry and the sustaining of soldiers in the field. They feld off that trough for 20 years while people kept dying.
I predict that in a month no one will even be thinking about Afghanistan.
This Prez lies like the last one. His speech today was a weak attempt to cover up and make us forget all of his failings over the past 3-4 weeks in regards to Afghanistan. He still blames everyone but himself and his administration. He screwed up royally and won't admit it. I hope the American people don't forget the promises he made and failed to keep.
@arsenal4ever posted:This Prez lies like the last one.
The last one averaged a dozen or so lies a day over 4 years so I don't think your first comment is accurate. And some of the last one's lies caused permanent damage and continue to do so: that he won the election and that Covid would go away and was no big deal, being perhaps the two worst examples.
And do you really want to compare Biden's unkept promises to his predecessor's? For example, that he would build a way and Mexico would pay for it? That he would replace Obamacare with something better (his planning always coming in the next few weeks)? And most pertinent today, that he would get all US troops out of Afghanistan?
Trumps' lies caused permanent damage, but so have Biden's. 13 American lives, not to mention 130+ Afghans. Can't get more permanent than that.
@arsenal4ever posted:Trumps' lies caused permanent damage, but so have Biden's. 13 American lives, not to mention 130+ Afghans. Can't get more permanent than that.
Trump's lies about Covid probably caused hundreds of thousands of extra deaths because his followers, elected governors and otherwise, refused to take the precautions that other countries were taking. And most continue to do so as evidenced by the low vaccination rates in the US compared to other Western countries, and states like Florida and Texas, run by governors who hope to be the next President or at least keep their current jobs, and so suck up to Trump. But yeah, 13 dead Americans are the same as a few hundred thousand dead Americans (just as permanently dead as the 13), and a few million more infected with Covid and facing downstream negative health impacts....
"probably caused " will be debated for a long time by people a lot smarter than you and I. Afghanistan is a blight on America that will live in infamy, and Biden's broken promises and lies should be remembered. More Americans could potentially die there, as well as Afghans who supported our efforts, as we didn't get everyone out that he said we would. Does Biden have any shame? He says he was handcuffed by Trump, yet why didn't he revoke the August 31 date like all of the other Trump bad decisions he did revoke? Neither Trump nor Biden deserved to be our Prez.
@arsenal4ever posted:"probably caused " will be debated for a long time by people a lot smarter than you and I. Afghanistan is a blight on America that will live in infamy, and Biden's broken promises and lies should be remembered. More Americans could potentially die there, as well as Afghans who supported our efforts, as we didn't get everyone out that he said we would. Does Biden have any shame? He says he was handcuffed by Trump, yet why didn't he revoke the August 31 date like all of the other Trump bad decisions he did revoke? Neither Trump nor Biden deserved to be our Prez.
Because of a dumb election system that allows the most extreme elements to choose their party's candidate, those were the only two choices. Until that system changes, you're probably not gonna be very happy with your options.
@arsenal4ever posted:This Prez lies like the last one.
"You lie!"
bman - I agree completely. The last two Prez elections offered horribly flawed candidates. Let's change the system...
@arsenal4ever posted:bman - I agree completely. The last two Prez elections offered horribly flawed candidates. Let's change the system...
Happy to see we agree about something political!
We'll probably clash somewhere down the line, but how/ why do you root for the Boston Bruins (I think) and not the Red Wings? Your tagline says Detroit.
@arsenal4ever posted:We'll probably clash somewhere down the line, but how/ why do you root for the Boston Bruins (I think) and not the Red Wings? Your tagline says Detroit.
My cousin is Wayne Carleton, who won a Stanley Cup with the Bruins. He was on the ice when Bobby Orr scored that iconic overtime Cup winning goal against the Blues. Wayne was the first teammate to reach him and start celebrating.
Growing up in Windsor we got tickets behind their bench every time Wayne and the Bruins played in Detroit. We'd meet him outside the dressing room and take him out for pizza after the games and I got to meet Orr Esposito, Cheevers Sanderson etc. Made me a fan for life!
"Curiosity is the Devil's pitchfork. That's why I never look down when I take a shower." --Ned Flanders
i still find it amusing that the older generation can only think in binary.
you're either right or wrong, left or right, yes or no.
When in reality there are certainly things like magnitude, variation and subtlety to consider.
@arsenal4ever posted:bman - I agree completely. The last two Prez elections offered horribly flawed candidates. Let's change the system...
Not that it matters and I know you weren’t talking to me, but I’ll throw this out anyway. Still glad 45 is gone, period. Biden wouldn’t have been in my top 3 candidates on the Dem side. And it’s starting to look like whatever vitamin supply he was hitting during the debates have worn off.
So f***ing glad I don’t have kids.
It’s Afghanistanimation.
Trying to pin blame for Afghanistan on Biden is like a left fielder who came in to pitch when their team is already down by 16 runs in the 8th inning, gives up 5 more runs, and then gets roasted for the team losing by a final score of 22-1…… 
@g-man posted:i still find it amusing that the older generation can only think in binary.
you're either right or wrong, left or right, yes or no.
When in reality there are certainly things like magnitude, variation and subtlety to consider.
And this is just something the "older generation" does?
Agism is the last form of bigotry that's accepted now a days.
bman - I remember Wayne Cashman on those Bruins teams, but not Carleton. I also remember Orr's goal. I became a huge Montreal fan in the late 60s, early 70s, when they had all those French Canadiens (Beliveau, Laperriere, Lemaire, Cournoyer). Loved to roll those names off my tongue. Then they dominated with Lafleur, Savard, Gainey, Robinson playing some memorial series against Boston. I gave up hockey though when they striked in '92 and everybody changed teams.
@The Old Man posted:And this is just something the "older generation" does?
Agism is the last form of bigotry that's accepted now a days.
good thing i'm not aged =)
@arsenal4ever posted:bman - I remember Wayne Cashman on those Bruins teams, but not Carleton. I also remember Orr's goal. I became a huge Montreal fan in the late 60s, early 70s, when they had all those French Canadiens (Beliveau, Laperriere, Lemaire, Cournoyer). Loved to roll those names off my tongue. Then they dominated with Lafleur, Savard, Gainey, Robinson playing some memorial series against Boston. I gave up hockey though when they striked in '92 and everybody changed teams.
Google him or check the video of Orr's OT goal and you will see number 11 in front of the net and then standing over Orr as he lay on the ice. Wayne is a big guy so he didn't jump on Orr though others did. He was on the third line so didn't get the attention the bigger names got. But he still got his name on the Cup!
@bman posted:My cousin is Wayne Carleton, who won a Stanley Cup with the Bruins. He was on the ice when Bobby Orr scored that iconic overtime Cup winning goal against the Blues. Wayne was the first teammate to reach him and start celebrating.
Growing up in Windsor we got tickets behind their bench every time Wayne and the Bruins played in Detroit. We'd meet him outside the dressing room and take him out for pizza after the games and I got to meet Our Esposito, Cheevers Sanderson etc. Made me a fan for life!
@g-man posted:i still find it amusing that the older generation can only think in binary.
you're either right or wrong, left or right, yes or no.
When in reality there are certainly things like magnitude, variation and subtlety to consider.
Hey, G-Man: There are two kinds of people in the world. The people who divide things into two groups, and the others.
@irwin posted:Hey, G-Man: There are two kinds of people in the world. The people who divide things into two groups, and the others.
😁😁
@irwin posted:Hey, G-Man: There are two kinds of people in the world. The people who divide things into two groups, and the others.
Haha
I prefer to put everybody in one barrel and spin it until somebody pukes. 
Afghan Lives Matter
Election called for Newsom. This is because it was rigged by the "Democrat" Party. Actually Larry Elder was a gift to the governor.
A quarter billion dollars flushed down the toilet.
Watching the gymnasts holding a press conference. Once again the most basic concept--you can't hear those asking questions without a mic--is not being observed. One of the mothers is now speaking without a mic. Don't know what she said either. Very frustrating.
I'm a marvel fan, I also like dc sometimes I become confused about which one is better than the other.
i still find it amusing that folks are arguing insurrection as a low level crime.
It's not the insurrectionist fault that they're incompetent, insurrection still is insurrection.
I hope these traitors all rot.
@mimik posted:What are your thoughts about resurrection, then?
they ship viagra through amazon nowadays
Let me tell you this, if you kill William Shatner you can pretty much close up shop.
I have always loved the thought of space travel but I have to tell you even at my age I don't think I would do this. I probably wind up vomiting around the whole capsule. If he pulls this off he will probably have the record of the oldest man outer space for some time. And he's Jewish!
@The Old Man posted:Let me tell you this, if you kill William Shatner you can pretty much close up shop.
And he's Jewish!
And Canadian!!
I figured the only way he was going into space was as ashes. Good for him!
I'm a spry 60 and if offered a seat I'd do it in a heartbeat despite the risk. If I had my druthers I'd love to spend 4 days orbiting the earth with SpaceX,
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One more reason for the world to smarten up!
I saw this somewhere:
"My father grew up watching men land on the moon. I get to watch a billionaire fly into space for 10 minutes, in a giant dick."
I distinctly remember watching the first lunar landing. Now I pay little attention to the commercial events.
From the LA Times without comment, "California became the first state in the nation Saturday to adopt a law requiring large retail stores to provide gender neutral toy sections under a bill signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
"The new law, which takes effect in 2024, says that retail stores with 500 or more employees must sell some toys and childcare products outside of areas specifically labeled by gender. Retailers can continue to offer other toys and childcare goods in traditional boys and girls sections if they choose to."
@The Old Man posted:From the LA Times without comment, "California became the first state in the nation Saturday to adopt a law requiring large retail stores to provide gender neutral toy sections under a bill signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
"The new law, which takes effect in 2024, says that retail stores with 500 or more employees must sell some toys and childcare products outside of areas specifically labeled by gender. Retailers can continue to offer other toys and childcare goods in traditional boys and girls sections if they choose to."
Seems like they're wading into a very sticky, legal quagmire. Who becomes the arbiter of what is a gender-neutral toy? How do they decide what is a girl's toy, and what is a boy's, without revealing their own gender biases? They're never going to be able to please everyone, especially in California.
@mneeley490 posted:Seems like they're wading into a very sticky, legal quagmire. Who becomes the arbiter of what is a gender-neutral toy? How do they decide what is a girl's toy, and what is a boy's, without revealing their own gender biases? They're never going to be able to please everyone, especially in California.
The companies themselves do. They can label a doll a boys toy or just label it gender neutral and be compliant w the rule
@g-man posted:The companies themselves do. They can label a doll a boys toy or just label it gender neutral and be compliant w the rule
Why would the manufacturers bother? Let the problem rest with the retailer would be their thinking. Especially when it's the law and only one state, regardless of how large that state is, is enforcing it.
@The Old Man posted:Why would the manufacturers bother? Let the problem rest with the retailer would be their thinking. Especially when it's the law and only one state, regardless of how large that state is, is enforcing it.
That is true, i'd imagine a portion of it would be the manufacturer themselves as part of the marketing, making the retail section easier, i'm sure from thet retailers perspective, the'd just get rid of the categories all together and just lump them all in the same aisle.
TOM - Besides the gender neutral toy sections, Newsom and our 'progressive' legislature also signed into law banning all gas-powered lawn equipment, effective in 2024. Besides lawn mowers and leaf blowers, the ban also includes gas powered generators. In cases of electrical failure, which happens quite frequently here in NoCA, generators have actually saved lives during those outages. Newsom and his Dem cronies continually pass useless laws instead of laws that would lower CA's notorious high cost of gas, electricity, homes, income tax, and cost of living. They might also try to keep companies like Oracle, HP, and Tesla from bolting the state insread of pushing them and thousands of others out.
@arsenal4ever posted:TOM - Besides the gender neutral toy sections, Newsom and our 'progressive' legislature also signed into law banning all gas-powered lawn equipment, effective in 2024. Besides lawn mowers and leaf blowers, the ban also includes gas powered generators. In cases of electrical failure, which happens quite frequently here in NoCA, generators have actually saved lives during those outages. Newsom and his Dem cronies continually pass useless laws instead of laws that would lower CA's notorious high cost of gas, electricity, homes, income tax, and cost of living. They might also try to keep companies like Oracle, HP, and Tesla from bolting the state insread of pushing them and thousands of others out.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca...l_id=202120220AB1346
The law just states if it can be replaced by 0 emission alternatives, which, with electrical lawn care, do exist.
I dont see a 0 emission alternative to a portable generator
It must be so hard to live in a state you hate.
It's my understanding this regulates 25hp or less. I'm not an expert on this but I'm assuming that most home gas powered backup generators are more than 25hp.
As one who has lived here for over 60 years, and remember what made it a great place to live, I'm just sad for what this state has become.
@arsenal4ever posted:As one who has lived here for over 60 years, and remember what made it a great place to live, I'm just sad for what this state has become.
How long ago did you start feeling this way? Plenty of time to move to a great state like Florida, Texas or Alabama.
Shatner and Star Trek have inspired countless numbers of scientists, engineers and astronauts. Star Wars? Jedi Knights.
Captain Kirk made it to space on Bezos' ship.
Will Branson's Virgin Galactic take up a Star Wars actor? Harrison Ford perhaps? "Han Solo goes to space" would be a good counter-headline.
@The Old Man posted:How long ago did you start feeling this way? Plenty of time to move to a great state like Florida, Texas or Alabama.
You are a curmudgeon...why can't you take Arsenal's point of view and appreciate it for what it is. Everyone knows that CA has gone to hell. I used to vacation in SF almost every year...now I don't even bother. It is garbage compared to what is once was. It is a shame that the elected politicians have utterly ruined that state (which once was the greatest in the nation). So much natural beauty and gorgeous weather, reduced to a trash pile of over taxation, lawlessness and a giant tent city for the homeless. Enjoy it and keep pretending that everything is perfect. Gender neutral toys...Ok. The rest of the World is laughing at our stupidity.
@bman posted:Take it from someone who isn't American and doesn't live in the US - you're right, but not for the reasons you think.
And we are laughing less now than we were from 2016-2020.....
Exactly. Although I am sure Russia is sad their Manchurian Candidate is no longer in office
@The Old Man posted:It must be so hard to live in a state you hate.
It's my understanding this regulates 25hp or less. I'm not an expert on this but I'm assuming that most home gas powered backup generators are more than 25hp.
only about 5-7hp for portable generators. enough to power a few fridges and charge phones in a blackout
@jcocktosten posted:Exactly. Although I am sure Russia is sad their Manchurian Candidate is no longer in office
haha we still laugh at florida regardless =P
@g-man posted:only about 5-7hp for portable generators. enough to power a few fridges and charge phones in a blackout
I was thinking of those automatic on whole house generators. I'm not sure how the new law will affect those, but I can't think of anyone that's going to miss gas powered leaf blowers.
@The Old Man posted:I was thinking of those automatic on whole house generators. I'm not sure how the new law will affect those, but I can't think of anyone that's going to miss gas powered leaf blowers.
what do you mean?
i love those smelly loud obnoxious things
@The Old Man posted:I was thinking of those automatic on whole house generators. I'm not sure how the new law will affect those, but I can't think of anyone that's going to miss gas powered leaf blowers.
They've banned gas powered leaf blowers in my town. Only electric allowed. But some of those electric ones are pretty darn loud too!
@Rothko posted:They've banned gas powered leaf blowers in my town. Only electric allowed. But some of those electric ones are pretty darn loud too!
In an article about this in the LA Times it says, "A gardener pushing a gas-powered mower or blowing leaves is at twice the risk of getting cancer as the average homeowner who hires him, a Berman aide says."
However I can find no citation for this.
@The Old Man posted:In an article about this in the LA Times it says, "A gardener pushing a gas-powered mower or blowing leaves is at twice the risk of getting cancer as the average homeowner who hires him, a Berman aide says."
However I can find no citation for this.
Wow, that's some Pulitzer-worthy writing there. I'm pretty sure a crab fisherman is at more risk of traumatic death than I am buying some crab legs at the store.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...APHFc8?ocid=msedgntp
one of the greatest ways to get a bunch of climate change deniers to listen to a climate change speech. I lol'ed
Well this is not good, "Lyft Says 1,807 Sexual Assaults Occurred in Rides in 2019."
A possible problem for Alec Baldwin is that he is the sole producer of the movie Rust. It is not good that local union workers walked off the job and were replaced by local non-union members. There may be some liability there since these union members had complained of, among other things, safety violations including concerns about prop gun handling on the set. There had already been more than one incident on the set concerning firearms.
@The Old Man posted:A possible problem for Alec Baldwin is that he is the sole producer of the movie Rust. It is not good that local union workers walked off the job and were replaced by local non-union members. There may be some liability there since these union members had complained of, among other things, safety violations including concerns about prop gun handling on the set. There had already been more than one incident on the set concerning firearms.
Tragic any way you look at it. I see no saving grace here anywhere, unless you count the director who survived.
Wow….The Old Man avoided on commenting on my post to him. That speaks volumes. I’ll take it asa win.
i know Alec is a raging left wing nut…but I really like him and feel terrible for him. Just don’t know how that happens. Why doesn’t the actor pull the trigger first at some inanimate object to make sure all is well?
I know next to nothing about guns. If one bullet was fired, how is it that one person was killed and another wounded? Does that mean the same bullet struck both of them?
Pardon my ignorance.
Not to diminish in any way the seriousness of what happened, Irwin, but your question reminds me of the Magic Bullet Theory.
@irwin posted:I know next to nothing about guns. If one bullet was fired, how is it that one person was killed and another wounded? Does that mean the same bullet struck both of them?
Pardon my ignorance.
Remember these guns are not loaded with bullets. They are referred to as "live round", but the charge is usually a quarter the normal gunpowder load. Then the bullet is capped with either with cotton or paper wadding. Now remember the last related major tragedy is the time in 1984 actor Jon-Erik Hexum placed a blank load against his head and the impact of the fill killed him.
Now we have to guess until the information comes out. I'm guessing the director was standing next to the cinematographer lining or shooting a take. Baldwin must have been instructed to shoot at, or toward, the camera. Since the bullet shell does not have a solid object (a bullet) but instead wadding spewing out with great force, perhaps parts of it went in more than one direction (but close by.)
The crew was partly composed of last minute non-union crew members. As I said the regular crew members had expressed concerns about on site safety issues. One complaint is they weren't getting their morning safety briefings. This is unheard of with professional crews when "live rounds" on used on the set.
@The Old Man posted:Remember these guns are not loaded with bullets. They are referred to as "live round", but the charge is usually a quarter the normal gunpowder load. Then the bullet is capped with either with cotton or paper wadding. Now remember the last related major tragedy is the time in 1984 actor Jon-Erik Hexum placed a blank load against his head and the impact of the fill killed him.
Now we have to guess until the information comes out. I'm guessing the director was standing next to the cinematographer lining or shooting a take. Baldwin must have been instructed to shoot at, or toward, the camera. Since the bullet shell does not have a solid object (a bullet) but instead wadding spewing out with great force, perhaps parts of it went in more than one direction (but close by.)
The crew was partly composed of last minute non-union crew members. As I said the regular crew members had expressed concerns about on site safety issues. One complaint is they weren't getting their morning safety briefings. This is unheard of with professional crews when "live rounds" on used on the set.
Decent insight…but another reply by TOM ignoring a post…speaks volumes as mentioned prior! Things are moving in the right direction yes?
From the LA Times: "As an armorer on film sets, Hannah Gutierrez Reed [24] often encountered cast and crew members who were scared of guns. But the part of her work she most relished was helping to shift that narrative, showing the world that 'guns are awesome.'
“'I think the best part about my job is just showing people who are normally kind of freaked out by guns how safe they can be and how they’re not really problematic unless put in the wrong hands,' Reed said in a podcast interview in September."
Rust was her second job as lead armorer.
Looks like he was rehearsing with what he was told was a "cold gun." The rest goes as I said. he pointed it towards were the camera would be at the the director and cinematographer.
I for one when I had guns, or passed to me, I always checked the chambers, and made sure it was unloaded. As I remember, many unloaded guns killed people when cleaning them.
On the hand - Real bullets and/or guns should not be in any work place, except a police station, or military post.
Open carry in Texas will be a disaster very soon with nuts and guns
@flwino posted:I for one when I had guns, or passed to me, I always checked the chambers, and made sure it was unloaded. As I remember, many unloaded guns killed people when cleaning them.
On the hand - Real bullets and/or guns should not be in any work place, except a police station, or military post.
Open carry in Texas will be a disaster very soon with nuts and guns
these were prop guns loaded with 1/4 - 1/2 amount of gunpowder charges and supposedly no bullet. so propellent only.
open carry really isn't the issue. If someone open carries they simply paint a big "I'm an asshole sign on their backs" and will warrant many calls to law enforcement.
It's the accessibility of the guns that is more of a concern.
Ugh, it was a real bullet. Note the sheriff and the film crew are defining "live round " differently.
And another press conference where you can't here the questions. When will they learn?
This "armorer" was no professional. It's being learned now that there were at least 2 other misfires prior to this incident, which was part of what lead the union crew to walk off the set the week before. And there were multiple real bullets mixed in with blanks and wadcutters on the set and in the armorer's trailer. As said before, there is never any reason real bullets should be on a movie set. Baldwin, the actor, will not face any consequences for this tragic accident. But Baldwin, the executive producer, certainly will. They said the budget for this movie was $6-$7 million, paltry by today's standards, so it must have been a labor of love for him.
I own guns. I have friends and relatives that own guns. Every gun owner I know was raised to believe that they are not play toys; they are weapons, and should be treated with all the care of plutonium. That's mainly why that girl's cavalier attitude chaps my hide. It's people like her that give all responsible gun owners a bad name.
With all the expertise in special effects, making it look like people and cars fly, and all that other stuff, why can't they use fake guns tha