irwin posted:It's our violent culture. Every house in Switzerland has a gun. Every house in Israel has a gun. Almost no gun crime in either place.
We have very little illiteracy in the US because we teach kids how to read. We have violence because we teach violence.
Nailed it, irwin. No one is born a neo-Nazi. It all starts at home.
PH
irwin posted:It's our violent culture. Every house in Switzerland has a gun. Every house in Israel has a gun. Almost no gun crime in either place.
This line is often used by anti-gun control advocates. However it's really apples and oranges:
From the Times of Israel: "Israelis must meet a detailed list of criteria to be allowed to own a firearm. They must ask the state for a license, are permitted only one gun at a time, and must even ask for permission to sell their gun. And the Firearms Licensing Department is no rubber stamp: Roughly 40 percent of requests are rejected.
Indeed, before even requesting a license, Israelis must meet minimum age requirements, be in good health and of sound mind, and have no criminal record, among other preconditions.
There’s more. Once they are granted the right to carry a gun, Israelis are limited to just 50 bullets in their possession at any given time. They must shoot or return old bullets before they can buy new ones, a process that can only take place at tightly regulated shooting ranges where each bullet’s sale is carefully registered. The types of guns permitted also depend on the reason for the license."
Switzerland, from Wikipedia:
Buying guns
In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (art. 8 WG/LArm). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not under a curator nor identified as being a danger for themselves or others, and who don't have a criminal record with a conviction for a violent crime or of several convictions as long as they haven't been written out can request such a permit. Foreigners with citizenship to the following countries are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania.[note 1] The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:
valid official identification or passport copy.
residence address.
criminal record copy not older than 3 months.
For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (art. 11 WG/LArm):
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component.
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component.
Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer.
Type and number of the official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component.
and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted.
This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered (art. 9 WG/LArm).
Some weapons do not need a weapon acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm):
Single-shot and multi-barreled hunting rifles and replicas of single-shot muzzle loaders.
Hand bolt-action rifles, which are commonly used in off-duty and sporting gunnery recognized by the military law of 3 February 1952 and shooting clubs for hunting purposes in Switzerland.
Single-shot rabbit slayer.
Compressed air and CO2 weapons that develop a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or their appearance may be mistaken for real firearms.
Buying ammunition
Ready ammunition of the Swiss Army. Soldiers equipped with the Sig 550 assault rifle used to be issued 50 rounds of ammunition in a sealed can, to be opened only upon alert and for use while en route to join their unit. This practice was stopped in 2007.[13]
In order to purchase ammunition, the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply when buying guns. The buyer must provide the following information to the seller (art. 15, 16 WG/LArm; art. 24 WV/OArm):[2][1]
a passport or other valid official identification (the holder must be over 18 years of age) with valid address.
a copy of their criminal record not older than 3 months, or a weapons acquisition permit which isn't older than 2 years (art. 24 § 3 WV/OArm).
The seller must verify that the buyer is not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems (art. 8 § 2 WG/LArm).
Further, they must not be a citizen of the following countries (art. 12 WV/OArm): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania).
A Swiss 100 gram black powder container.
The possession of the following ammunition is generally prohibited:
Armor-piercing bullets.
Ammunition with projectile containing an explosive or incendiary device.
Ammunition with one or more projectiles releasing substances which damage the health of people in the long run, particularly those mentioned in annex 2 of the WV/OArm.
Ammunition, missiles and missile launchers for military explosive.
Ammunition with projectiles for transmitting electric shocks.
Ammunition for handguns which may cause deformations."
In other words both countries have sensible control.
Not to mention the type of guns
Need to catch up on the news. So sorry about Toledo. The buffon doesn't even know what happened or care less.
Well, if yer busy playing golf on two hot days in a row, you typically will suffer from heat stroke.
g-man posted:Well, if yer busy playing golf on two hot days in a row, you typically will suffer from heat stroke.
What is the buffoon suffering from? Guess he can't get FOX in his golf cart. See the body count went up in El Paso. So sad. Spent many days on business in that city. Loved it.
g-man posted:
Was this posted to back up your apples to oranges comparison?
From the article, "The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns."
Nope, I gave the answer for the two countries you cited--very strict gun control laws. Also no country, that I know of, gives citizens access to the high level of fire power and magazine capacity that we do in the US.
From what I can see after a quick Google search, there are roughly 120 guns per 100 people in the US, compared to roughly 7 per 100 people in Israel and 28 per 100 in Switzerland.
Sure, culture may be an issue, and so is mental illness (in multiple cases, but not all). The disgusting political rhetoric that is now commonplace in the US plays a big role too.
But availability of and access to guns is THE biggest differentiator here, if we're comparing to other nations.
It's absolutely stunning to me that so many people, supposedly intelligent and competent, are so unable to implement any change that prevent these deaths of innocent US (and other) citizens. Or unwilling.
purplehaze posted:irwin posted:It's our violent culture. Every house in Switzerland has a gun. Every house in Israel has a gun. Almost no gun crime in either place.
We have very little illiteracy in the US because we teach kids how to read. We have violence because we teach violence.
Nailed it, irwin. No one is born a neo-Nazi. It all starts at home.
PH
True. But it gets a whole hell of a lot worse if they can simply stroll into their neighbourhood Walmart and buy guns and ammo.
shavez posted:From what I can see after a quick Google search, there are roughly 120 guns per 100 people in the US, compared to roughly 7 per 100 people in Israel and 28 per 100 in Switzerland.
Sure, culture may be an issue, and so is mental illness (in multiple cases, but not all). The disgusting political rhetoric that is now commonplace in the US plays a big role too.
But availability of and access to guns is THE biggest differentiator here, if we're comparing to other nations.
It's absolutely stunning to me that so many people, supposedly intelligent and competent, are so unable to implement any change that prevent these deaths of innocent US (and other) citizens. Or unwilling.
Well obviously countries with stricter gun control than the US, in other words every country, are going to have less guns in the public's hands. I'm making the case for gun control, Irwin was making it about our culture. To which I call BS.
The Old Man posted:shavez posted:From what I can see after a quick Google search, there are roughly 120 guns per 100 people in the US, compared to roughly 7 per 100 people in Israel and 28 per 100 in Switzerland.
Sure, culture may be an issue, and so is mental illness (in multiple cases, but not all). The disgusting political rhetoric that is now commonplace in the US plays a big role too.
But availability of and access to guns is THE biggest differentiator here, if we're comparing to other nations.
It's absolutely stunning to me that so many people, supposedly intelligent and competent, are so unable to implement any change that prevent these deaths of innocent US (and other) citizens. Or unwilling.
Well obviously countries with stricter gun control than the US, in other words every country, are going to have less guns in the public's hands. I'm making the case for gun control, Irwin was making it about our culture. To which I call BS.
Irwin's post suggested that gun availability in Switzerland and Israel was somehow comparable to the US. Which is wrong. Anyone suggesting that the availability of and access to guns in the US is not at the very core of the issue is...well...missing the point, to put it mildly.
shavez posted:The Old Man posted:shavez posted:From what I can see after a quick Google search, there are roughly 120 guns per 100 people in the US, compared to roughly 7 per 100 people in Israel and 28 per 100 in Switzerland.
Sure, culture may be an issue, and so is mental illness (in multiple cases, but not all). The disgusting political rhetoric that is now commonplace in the US plays a big role too.
But availability of and access to guns is THE biggest differentiator here, if we're comparing to other nations.
It's absolutely stunning to me that so many people, supposedly intelligent and competent, are so unable to implement any change that prevent these deaths of innocent US (and other) citizens. Or unwilling.
Well obviously countries with stricter gun control than the US, in other words every country, are going to have less guns in the public's hands. I'm making the case for gun control, Irwin was making it about our culture. To which I call BS.
Irwin's post suggested that gun availability in Switzerland and Israel was somehow comparable to the US. Which is wrong. Anyone suggesting that the availability of and access to guns in the US is not at the very core of the issue is...well...missing the point, to put it mildly.
Exactly. And the difference is the gun laws of those countries. Lot easier starting there than trying to change America's culture.
Can't believe the speech they gave the hater in chief to read about how hate is the problem. No sense of irony.
shavez posted:purplehaze posted:irwin posted:It's our violent culture. Every house in Switzerland has a gun. Every house in Israel has a gun. Almost no gun crime in either place.
We have very little illiteracy in the US because we teach kids how to read. We have violence because we teach violence.
Nailed it, irwin. No one is born a neo-Nazi. It all starts at home.
PH
True. But it gets a whole hell of a lot worse if they can simply stroll into their neighbourhood Walmart and buy guns and ammo.
No argument from me. My concern is that even if we totally ended all weapon sales in the US today, there are 270 million firearms, including just shy of 2 million assault weapons. Without a profound cultural shift in our country, we are all at risk every day.
PH
Israel also has mandatory military service (except for the ultra-religious who managed to get themselves excepted) - which I would wager both increases the level of training and is more likely to weed out people with psychological issues who then find it harder to obtain weapons.
The Old Man posted:g-man posted:Was this posted to back up your apples to oranges comparison?
From the article, "The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns."
Nope, I gave the answer for the two countries you cited--very strict gun control laws. Also no country, that I know of, gives citizens access to the high level of fire power and magazine capacity that we do in the US.
You're replying to the wrong individual I believe?
Regardless, did you even read the article TOM?
purplehaze posted:shavez posted:purplehaze posted:irwin posted:It's our violent culture. Every house in Switzerland has a gun. Every house in Israel has a gun. Almost no gun crime in either place.
We have very little illiteracy in the US because we teach kids how to read. We have violence because we teach violence.
Nailed it, irwin. No one is born a neo-Nazi. It all starts at home.
PH
True. But it gets a whole hell of a lot worse if they can simply stroll into their neighbourhood Walmart and buy guns and ammo.
No argument from me. My concern is that even if we totally ended all weapon sales in the US today, there are 270 million firearms, including just shy of 2 million assault weapons. Without a profound cultural shift in our country, we are all at risk every day.
PH
Simply need to look at a few other countries in the world that had similar problems and solved it. Ie Australia.
The Old Man posted:Can't believe the speech they gave the hater in chief to read about how hate is the problem. No sense of irony.
As others have noted elsewhere, this speech was akin to watching a hostage video. Give him time. Trust me.
PH
g-man posted:The Old Man posted:g-man posted:Was this posted to back up your apples to oranges comparison?
From the article, "The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns."
Nope, I gave the answer for the two countries you cited--very strict gun control laws. Also no country, that I know of, gives citizens access to the high level of fire power and magazine capacity that we do in the US.
You're replying to the wrong individual I believe?
Regardless, did you even read the article TOM?
Yes. Wrong person. Yes I did read the article I even quoted from it.
I'm about 3 drinks away from needing a 4th.
Ha. The hospital patients in El Paso refused to see the orange racist so the White House had to have two previously released patients return so that there would be someone for him to see.😂
Now the White House staff is admitting the trip didn’t go as hoped, and hospital administrators saying the orange racist was completely devoid of empathy. No shit!
wineart 2 posted:Ha. The hospital patients in El Paso refused to see the orange racist so the White House had to have two previously released patients return so that there would be someone for him to see.😂
Now the White House staff is admitting the trip didn’t go as hoped, and hospital administrators saying the orange racist was completely devoid of empathy. No shit!
But, but but... he spoke so eloquently about the poor people of Toledo!
Of course, another geezer with aspirations for office (sorry bman, I know you like him) offered his sympathies to the people of Houston and Michigan.
New rule. If you're 71 or older, no presidency for you! I added a year, because I'm actually kinda digging Elizabeth Warren lately. And I'd LOVE to see her on a debate stage with the dotard.
PH
OMG, “we choose truth over facts”. I can’t believe he said that. Oh, wait that was Biden, not Trump? Never mind.
thistlintom posted:OMG, “we choose truth over facts”. I can’t believe he said that. Oh, wait that was Biden, not Trump? Never mind.
Certainly on par with the classlessness and stupidity of bragging about crowd sizes when visiting shooting victims.
thistlintom posted:OMG, “we choose truth over facts”. I can’t believe he said that. Oh, wait that was Biden, not Trump? Never mind.
Certainly an awkward turn of phrase, unless you consider that truth is immutable. Apparently "facts," at least among a certain population, can have "alternatives."
PH
thistlintom posted:OMG, “we choose truth over facts”. I can’t believe he said that. Oh, wait that was Biden, not Trump? Never mind.
Certainly a dumb thing to say, but hardly as bad as being the first openly racist president since Andrew Jackson. Not to mention being a bigot, a sexist, a mocker of the disabled, a mocker of POW's ("I like people who weren't captured, OK?"), an admitter of sexual assault, a know-nothing (didn't even know what the nuclear triad is), an instigator of violence and a demagogue.
I think I'll give Biden a pass on this one.
billhike posted:thistlintom posted:OMG, “we choose truth over facts”. I can’t believe he said that. Oh, wait that was Biden, not Trump? Never mind.
Certainly on par with the classlessness and stupidity of bragging about crowd sizes when visiting shooting victims.
Makes one want to vomit:
"An individual briefed on the matter confirmed to CNN's Jake Tapper a Washington Post report that not one of the eight patients still being treated at University Medical Center wanted to meet with the President so administrators brought back two patients who had already been discharged and who expressed a willingness to meet with him.
A hospital official familiar with the President's trip cautioned that some of those patients did not want to meet with anybody because of their conditions. The official went on to say that there was a general assessment that there was 'an absence of empathy' on Trump's part."
purplehaze posted:wineart 2 posted:Ha. The hospital patients in El Paso refused to see the orange racist so the White House had to have two previously released patients return so that there would be someone for him to see.😂
Now the White House staff is admitting the trip didn’t go as hoped, and hospital administrators saying the orange racist was completely devoid of empathy. No shit!
But, but but... he spoke so eloquently about the poor people of Toledo!
Of course, another geezer with aspirations for office (sorry bman, I know you like him) offered his sympathies to the people of Houston and Michigan.
New rule. If you're 71 or older, no presidency for you! I added a year, because I'm actually kinda digging Elizabeth Warren lately. And I'd LOVE to see her on a debate stage with the dotard.
PH
I like whoever can most assuredly get Donnie Dickhead out of office. That seemed to be Biden but I agree he has lost much of his lustre. Still, he's miles ahead of DD by any positive measure (and miles behind on the negative ones!) and I suspect the hatchet job the Republicans would do on other leading candidates could neuter any electoral advantages they have - Warren more so than the others. So still hoping for a Biden/Harris ticket. For now.
Two grinning idiots, one holding an infant who has become an orphan because of a shooter who parrots the racist-in-chief's own words. A "president" who only a few months ago when he asked the crowd what to do with these "invaders" and someone shouted out "shoot them" grinned and said "you can only get away with in the Panhandle." Yuck, yuck.
Whether he has any responsibility for the increase in hate crimes in the last two and a half years (spoiler alert, he does) this is not how you comfort a grieving community. They are not all there for your photo op. They are not there to hear about your crowd size at a recent rally and they sure aren't there to hear your airing of grievances (for the bigot-in-chief everyday is Festivus.) A human pig.
TOM. You neglected to mention that this photograph made its way into the media because it was tweeted by Melania trump. Not the uncle (on the left). For just a little context, the uncle and the deceased father were trump supporters. But, holding an orphan with a beaming grin, and the moron-in-chief flashing a thumbs up sign given the circumstances is just another example of how tone-deaf and lacking in compassion this misbegotten family is.
PH
purplehaze posted:TOM. You neglected to mention that this photograph made its way into the media because it was tweeted by Melania trump. Not the uncle (on the left). For just a little context, the uncle and the deceased father were trump supporters. But, holding an orphan with a beaming grin, and the moron-in-chief flashing a thumbs up sign given the circumstances is just another example of how tone-deaf and lacking in compassion this misbegotten family is.
PH
Indeed. The racist First Family was clearly there to celebrate the deaths. Thus, all smiles and a big thumbs up for the now orphaned child. A celebration was in order.
Now, about the crowd size....
Add in the sniveling cowardly Republicans who seem to have forgotten what their party stands for. Or this is what it stood for all along and it was a slow growing cancer that festered into the Trumpublican Party.
Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.
Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.
The Old Man posted:Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.
Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.
Slick opportunist, the Mooch. He was a toxic POS when serving the orange bloviator. His opinion is meaningless to me. I would like to hear from Kelley, McGahn and Mattis. Soon.
PH
The Old Man posted:Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.
Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.
Oh Old Man...give it a rest. I said I was done on this topic.
napacat posted:The Old Man posted:Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.
Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.
Oh Old Man...give it a rest. I said I was done on this topic.
"This topic" as if we're discussing what car you're driving or what team you support.
Ding dong.
The Old Man posted:napacat posted:The Old Man posted:Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.
Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.
Oh Old Man...give it a rest. I said I was done on this "topic".
"This topic" as if we're discussing what car you're driving or what team you support.
Ding dong.
What an Old, Obnoxious, Arrogant and Self-righteous Turd you are. I replied with your quote, to your quote and about the only topic you are stuck on at present.
I added quotation marks around the word topic above. Maybe you will approve. I am anxiously awaiting and hoping you will. It will mean the world to me Old Man.
Thought today was going great.
napacat posted:The Old Man posted:napacat posted:The Old Man posted:Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.
Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.
Oh Old Man...give it a rest. I said I was done on this "topic".
"This topic" as if we're discussing what car you're driving or what team you support.
Ding dong.
What an Old, Obnoxious, Arrogant and Self-righteous Turd you are. I replied with your quote, to your quote and about the only topic you are stuck on at present.
I added quotation marks around the word topic above. Maybe you will approve. I am anxiously awaiting and hoping you will. It will mean the world to me Old Man.
Apparently you're not "done on this topic." Did you read the article that said if you support a racist, that makes one a racist? Look in the mirror, a racist is staring back at you.
PS, exactly how old am I? Have we met?
Greenland! 
PH
Exchange between a reporter and John Lennon after The Beatles visited the US for the first time:
Q. - How did you find America?
A. - Turn left at Greenland.
Down the rabbit hole again
That's the best you've got? From the article."If you are politically on the left, racism is what you accuse people who don't agree with you.
Horse manure for the hyperbolic broad brush. I don't know about the left, but my whole life I've only used it against racists, you know, like the racist-in-chief. I agree with this basic principle: If you support and defend a racist, like the racist-in-chief, and make light of his bigotry then yeah, you're a racist.
The Old Man posted:That's the best you've got? From the article."If you are politically on the left, racism is what you accuse people who don't agree with you.
Horse manure for the hyperbolic broad brush. I don't know about the left, but my whole life I've only used it against racists, you know, like the racist-in-chief. I agree with this basic principle: If you support and defend a racist, like the racist-in-chief, and make light of his bigotry then yeah, you're a racist.
I agree that the word is being overused. That said, if the shoe fits, as it does with Donnie Dickhead, .... ,
bman posted:The Old Man posted:That's the best you've got? From the article."If you are politically on the left, racism is what you accuse people who don't agree with you.
Horse manure for the hyperbolic broad brush. I don't know about the left, but my whole life I've only used it against racists, you know, like the racist-in-chief. I agree with this basic principle: If you support and defend a racist, like the racist-in-chief, and make light of his bigotry then yeah, you're a racist.
I agree that the word is being overused. That said, if the shoe fits, as it does with Donnie Dickhead, .... ,
Exactly, of course it's being overused, the word "awesome" is overused, but somethings are awesome (ie total eclipse of the sun) and some people racists. No opinion piece in the WSJ can change that.
No scan. No pay.
PH
suns up. pool time
Multiple things can be true. The “woke” far-left is using words like “racist”, “sexist”, etc. (or worst, simply, “that’s offensive”) to stifle important debate and — in some cases — even academic research and science. ALSO, if words have any meaning, Donald Trump is a full-on racist. Also, he suffers from malignant narcissistic personality disorder. And is both a true ignoramus — in that he knows absolutely nothing — and a deeply stupid individual. Our nation’s, and the world’s, saving may just be Trump’s utter incompetence. If he were able to complete more, God help us all.
Talking about imposing a 100% tariff on French wines:
“I’ve always liked American wines better than French wines, even though I don’t drink wine,” Trump, a professed teetotaler, told reporters in the Oval Office. “I just like the way they look. American wines are great.”
we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle". I ordered a beer. The very attractive waitress asked to see my ID to verify that I was old enough to drink. The drinking age in MD is 21.
I recently turned 66. When I was 21, Nixon had just resigned the Presidency.
Of course, I gave her a large tip. And, the business card of my eye doctor.
irwin posted:we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle". I ordered a beer. The very attractive waitress asked to see my ID to verify that I was old enough to drink. The drinking age in MD is 21.
I recently turned 66. When I was 21, Nixon had just resigned the Presidency.
Of course, I gave her a large tip. And, the business card of my eye doctor.
Lol!
I don't think she was myopic. When they carried beer I would always get carded at Noodles & Co. They card everyone at the beer stations at Legoland. Some places, for their own protection and consistency, have their staff card everyone regardless of their appearance.
The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different. The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.
I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals. It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.
irwin posted:we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle".
I'm familiar with the chain. The Green Turtle was once a decent dive bar (oxymoron?) in Ocean City, MD. Years ago they began franchising, and frankly, the franchises suck. The Turtle is also known as a hangout for younger drinkers.
Typically, when servers are carding 66 year old patrons, it's because the facility has had a recent violation for serving underage drinkers. The move by management is "card 'em all," to eliminate any chance of losing their license. This usually eases in time.
PH
thistlintom posted:The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different. The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.
I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals. It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.
There is some truth in what you say here, tom. But.
I find your assertion that,
"The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights...
a bit amusing. In the history of our country, we've been doing exactly this for centuries. And many people's identities and rights have been abused specifically because of the categories that the majority had placed them in. I can understand the instinct of members of protected classes to "over react," in circumstances when they are categorized, marginalized or mistreated because of their category. Especially in circumstances where the communications are coming from high ranking politicians and other citizens with a national platform.
PH
" It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view."
How tiring. How exactly do I challenge these points of view?
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Should I get into an intellectual discussion with someone who tells four women of color (three of which were born in the US) to, "Go back to where they came from"?
Am I supposed to have a rational conversation with a person who engaged in a fact-free conspiracy theory to prove the the first black man to become president wasn't an American citizen?
What do I say when an American president who equtes neo-Nazis with those who oppose them? Who calls them "fine people"?
What do you say to a man who, after five black men that were wrongly imprisoned and then exonerated (after DNA and a confession from the real rapist), takes out full pages ads saying they are guilty?
As a number of people tried to point out, just because some people misuse a word doesn't mean the word can't be properly employed.
So yeah, I'm going to call the racist who occupies the WH a racist. And I'm always going to wonder about people who support this racist no matter what hate and filth comes out of his shithole of a mouth.
purplehaze posted:irwin posted:we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle".
I'm familiar with the chain. The Green Turtle was once a decent dive bar (oxymoron?) in Ocean City, MD. Years ago they began franchising, and frankly, the franchises suck. The Turtle is also known as a hangout for younger drinkers.
Typically, when servers are carding 66 year old patrons, it's because the facility has had a recent violation for serving underage drinkers. The move by management is "card 'em all," to eliminate any chance of losing their license. This usually eases in time.
PH
The place in Towson isn't great. It's mostly for the Towson University students. But it is next to the public library, and I wanted to take a book out of the library to read. (More evidence of my age).
The franchise out in McHenry Maryland, next to Deep Creek Lake is pretty good.
You want scary? Watch PBS "The Rise of Fascism" by Rick Steve's Listen to his commentary as to why it rose, and compare the thoughts, comments, and actions of the last 3 years in the US. It is an awakening as to why we have issues now.
I thought it was so interesting that Steves created this very untypical, for him, show. It seemed he was hinting at the beginning that it was in response to current events. A truly sickening time unless you're a racist, bigot, or white nationalist.
thistlintom posted:The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different. The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.
I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals. It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.
I don’t disagree with much of this, Tom. BUT, nowhere in mainstream media is Identity Politics more prevalent than on Fox News. The difference is that on Fox News it is White Identity politics and frequently White Supremacy. There is nothing In mainstream Left-Wing media analogous to Pirro or Carlson, or Hannity or Dobbs. It is certainly often the White Supremacy when the President speaks. (See TOM’s examples for just the tip of the iceberg.)
I’m a steadfast liberal. As such, a great amount of the cultural far-Left infuriates me. For some of the reasons you list, as well as for some you do not. But most of the Democratic party isn’t that. Trump and Fox News want the nuttiest parts of Hollywood, or universities or, perhaps mostly, The Squad to be the symbols of the Democratic party precisely because if the real political center of the party — Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barak Obama — are the symbols, The Republicans fair far worse.
Someone online has commented that bad things remain bad even when other bad things are happening or other bad people are doing other bad things for bad reasons badly. Or bad people are calling the bad things bad for bad reasons.
Bad things remain bad.
Also, disproportionality is bad.
The existence of Antifa is terrible. The various methods people on the far-Left are using to stifle debate (and circumvent due process) are terrible. The consistantly problematic anti-semitism of a vocal few is deeply worrying to me. However, none of this poses the same type of threat as having a White Supremacist moron with malignant narcissistic personality disorder as the President. Nor does any of it rise to the level of Mitch McConnell and his cohort who actively strive to subvert the will of the people — and even refuse to allow bills protecting our democracy from coming to a vote. As much as I have problems with some members of The Squad, there is simply no nationally elected Democrat remotely as dangerous to our basic democracy and institutions as the leaders of the Republican party — nor the near 100% of the nationally elected Republicans who follow them.
So, in summary, I don’t disagree with most of your points, generally. But these points don’t really apply to Trump or some of his most ardent followers. There is only so much debate to be had with someone who writes The Browning Of America, or someone who calls *some* Neo-Nazis good people.
winetarelli posted:thistlintom posted:The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different. The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.
I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals. It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.
I don’t disagree with much of this, Tom. BUT, nowhere in mainstream media is Identity Politics more prevalent than on Fox News. The difference is that on Fox News it is White Identity politics and frequently White Supremacy. There is nothing In mainstream Left-Wing media analogous to Pirro or Carlson, or Hannity or Dobbs. It is certainly often the White Supremacy when the President speaks. (See TOM’s examples for just the tip of the iceberg.)
I’m a steadfast liberal. As such, a great amount of the cultural far-Left infuriates me. For some of the reasons you list, as well as for some you do not. But most of the Democratic party isn’t that. Trump and Fox News want the nuttiest parts of Hollywood, or universities or, perhaps mostly, The Squad to be the symbols of the Democratic party precisely because if the real political center of the party — Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barak Obama — are the symbols, The Republicans fair far worse.
Someone online has commented that bad things remain bad even when other bad things are happening or other bad people are doing other bad things for bad reasons badly. Or bad people are calling the bad things bad for bad reasons.
Bad things remain bad.
Also, disproportionality is bad.
The existence of Antifa is terrible. The various methods people on the far-Left are using to stifle debate (and circumvent due process) are terrible. The consistantly problematic anti-semitism of a vocal few is deeply worrying to me. However, none of this poses the same type of threat as having a White Supremacist moron with malignant narcissistic personality disorder as the President. Nor does any of it rise to the level of Mitch McConnell and his cohort who actively strive to subvert the will of the people — and even refuse to allow bills protecting our democracy from coming to a vote. As much as I have problems with some members of The Squad, there is simply no nationally elected Democrat remotely as dangerous to our basic democracy and institutions as the leaders of the Republican party — nor the near 100% of the nationally elected Republicans who follow them.
So, in summary, I don’t disagree with most of your points, generally. But these points don’t really apply to Trump or some of his most ardent followers. There is only so much debate to be had with someone who writes The Browning Of America, or someone who calls *some* Neo-Nazis good people.
VERY well said, wt.
And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
It's not hate when it's true.....
mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch.
billhike posted:mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch.
Apparently not a requirement
mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
Calling out hateful racism is not the definition of hate.
billhike posted:mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch.
Bingo. Mike I can't remember the last time I saw you post anything but one of these bitch posts right in this thread. You're admonishing exactly what you're doing. Go over to the Drinking or Eating threads and post something for gawds sake.
wineismylife posted:billhike posted:mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch.
Bingo. Mike I can't remember the last time I saw you post anything but one of these bitch posts right in this thread. You're admonishing exactly what you're doing. Go over to the Drinking or Eating threads and post something for gawds sake.
Sage advice. Sadly more a few subscribe to that model here
That aspect ratio, though.
"Katie Holmes’s Post-Breakup Outfit Is Sending a Subtle (But Important) Message"
“I guess … because Putin outsmarted him, President Obama thought it wasn’t a good thing to have Russia in.” https://politi.co/2Hv7uI7
Putin’s Bitch never fails to say something nice about his master........:rolleyes
It’d be funny if it weren’t so blatantly treasonous for the POTUS to denigrate his American predecessor and praise an enemy of the United States IN THE SAME SENTENCE!!!
It’s depressing, infuriating, and scary. Trump needs to go. Everything in the Democratic primary needs to be focused on Trump. Until Trump is gone, I don’t care about small policy differences among Democrats or whatever niche wokeness issue other Dems think is important. Trump is a danger to the republic and needs to go. Then we can have the other fights.
“President Trump Cancels Trip To Denmark After Greenland Spat.”
‘President Trump cancels trip to Denmark because they won’t sell him Greenland.’
C’mon guys.
I don’t know if the scariest part about the Trump presidency is the percentage of the U.S. that genuinely has yet to figure out that he suffers from serious mental/emotional problems or the percentage that recognizes it bit doesn’t care so long as their issues (tax cuts, keeping Latinos out of the country, Conservative judges, etc) rule temporary policy.
He said yesterday that Jewish americans would be disloyal if they did not vote for him. What about Latinos, Asians, Catholics, plumbers, doctors, and teachers. Would they be? Or, are they able to choose intelligently, without fear of being accused of treason.
One thing, and maybe the only thing, that El Presidente Trump is good at is that he is the master of the insult.
He said, in his talk wherein he canceled the state visit to Denmark, an invitation from that country's monarch and government, that Denmark is a great ally of ours. That's true. So, what is the point of insulting them by canceling the trip after you accept the invitation?
The tariffs, say the experts, will cost the average American about $1000. (Does that mean China is paying?) Thus, El Presidente is considering lowering the payroll tax to replace this money in the average person's bank account, thus adding to the already grossly overbloated federal deficit, which he promised to lower.
Wharton should revoke his degree.
winetarelli posted:It’s depressing, infuriating, and scary. Trump needs to go. Everything in the Democratic primary needs to be focused on Trump. Until Trump is gone, I don’t care about small policy differences among Democrats or whatever niche wokeness issue other Dems think is important. Trump is a danger to the republic and needs to go. Then we can have the other fights.
And you think the will leave if he loses? Remember this is a guy who said he'd only accept the 2016 election results if he won. He already has a stacked Supreme Court after McConnell stole the seat from Obama. Declare a national emergency (immigrant invasion or some other lie) and cancel the elections or the transfer of power after the election. I'd say I'm deluded by paranoia except he's clearly our first president who doesn't understand, or believe in, democracy.
The Old Man posted:winetarelli posted:It’s depressing, infuriating, and scary. Trump needs to go. Everything in the Democratic primary needs to be focused on Trump. Until Trump is gone, I don’t care about small policy differences among Democrats or whatever niche wokeness issue other Dems think is important. Trump is a danger to the republic and needs to go. Then we can have the other fights.
And you think the will leave if he loses? Remember this is a guy who said he'd only accept the 2016 election results if he won. He already has a stacked Supreme Court after McConnell stole the seat from Obama. Declare a national emergency (immigrant invasion or some other lie) and cancel the elections or the transfer of power after the election. I'd say I'm deluded by paranoia except he's clearly our first president who doesn't understand, or believe in, democracy.
Oh My God...you are mental.
If Trump runs, and I think there is an outside chance he'll withdraw---but if he runs and he loses, he'll protest and say that the election was stolen by the media, or whomever else is in his sights at the time. If the electoral vote is lopsided it will be much better than if it is a squeaker. He'll not go quietly in the night. Gracious, he is not.
napacat posted:The Old Man posted:winetarelli posted:It’s depressing, infuriating, and scary. Trump needs to go. Everything in the Democratic primary needs to be focused on Trump. Until Trump is gone, I don’t care about small policy differences among Democrats or whatever niche wokeness issue other Dems think is important. Trump is a danger to the republic and needs to go. Then we can have the other fights.
And you think the will leave if he loses? Remember this is a guy who said he'd only accept the 2016 election results if he won. He already has a stacked Supreme Court after McConnell stole the seat from Obama. Declare a national emergency (immigrant invasion or some other lie) and cancel the elections or the transfer of power after the election. I'd say I'm deluded by paranoia except he's clearly our first president who doesn't understand, or believe in, democracy.
Oh My God...you are mental.
So which is it? Are you "done on this topic" or not? He's the only president who ever said he'd only accept the election results if he won.What do you think the man/baby will do if he loses? But don't answer because you're "done with this topic."
It's hard to maintain equilibrium between exhausted resignation and angry reaction.
Such is life as a thoughtful American these days. I look forward to times where I don't have to worry what my president is fucking up this afternoon.
PH
purplehaze posted:It's hard to maintain equilibrium between exhausted resignation and angry reaction.
Such is life as a thoughtful American these days. I look forward to times where I don't have to worry what my president is fucking up this afternoon.
PH
On behalf of the rest of the world, let me say that we thoughtful non-Americans feel the same way! Hard to decide whether to be more amused, terrified or angry. Often we are all three!
The Old Man posted:napacat posted:The Old Man posted:winetarelli posted:It’s depressing, infuriating, and scary. Trump needs to go. Everything in the Democratic primary needs to be focused on Trump. Until Trump is gone, I don’t care about small policy differences among Democrats or whatever niche wokeness issue other Dems think is important. Trump is a danger to the republic and needs to go. Then we can have the other fights.
And you think the will leave if he loses? Remember this is a guy who said he'd only accept the 2016 election results if he won. He already has a stacked Supreme Court after McConnell stole the seat from Obama. Declare a national emergency (immigrant invasion or some other lie) and cancel the elections or the transfer of power after the election. I'd say I'm deluded by paranoia except he's clearly our first president who doesn't understand, or believe in, democracy.
Oh My God...you are mental.
So which is it? Are you "done on this topic" or not? He's the only president who ever said he'd only accept the election results if he won.What do you think the man/baby will do if he loses? But don't answer because you're "done with this topic."
I’m done...but I will wager with you a $100 bottle of wine should Trump not win ( cannot see how to this crowd on the Democratic side) that he will exit gracefully. I’lll ship to you, if he does not win and and does any of what you said above . You will ship to me should he not win and accept the results.
If he wins...we’ll hell...that’s enough for me.
napacat posted:I’m done...but I will wager with you a $100 bottle of wine should Trump not win ( cannot see how to this crowd on the Democratic side) that he will exit gracefully. I’lll ship to you, if he does not win and and does any of what you said above . You will ship to me should he not win and accept the results.
If he wins...we’ll hell...that’s enough for me.
Even though your views make me sick that's a very gentlemanly offer. However, you make it too easy for me. I said he "wouldn't leave" and you're saying "exit gracefully." Now even you must know that he never does anything gracefully. So thanks for the offer but I don't want to take your easy money bet. 
I'm done too.
The Old Man posted:napacat posted:I’m done...but I will wager with you a $100 bottle of wine should Trump not win ( cannot see how to this crowd on the Democratic side) that he will exit gracefully. I’lll ship to you, if he does not win and and does any of what you said above . You will ship to me should he not win and accept the results.
If he wins...we’ll hell...that’s enough for me.
Even though your views make me sick that's a very gentlemanly offer. However, you make it too easy for me. I said he "wouldn't leave" and you're saying "exit gracefully." Now even you must know that he never does anything gracefully. So thanks for the offer but I don't want to take your easy money bet.
I'm done too.
OK...respectfully accept the declination. Best to be done on the subject as well. Point though...you really don't know my views. You are just projecting what you think they are since I voted for Trump.
With that...will try to ignore the political fray.
Cheers.
napacat posted:The Old Man posted:napacat posted:I’m done...but I will wager with you a $100 bottle of wine should Trump not win ( cannot see how to this crowd on the Democratic side) that he will exit gracefully. I’lll ship to you, if he does not win and and does any of what you said above . You will ship to me should he not win and accept the results.
If he wins...we’ll hell...that’s enough for me.
Even though your views make me sick that's a very gentlemanly offer. However, you make it too easy for me. I said he "wouldn't leave" and you're saying "exit gracefully." Now even you must know that he never does anything gracefully. So thanks for the offer but I don't want to take your easy money bet.
I'm done too.
OK...respectfully accept the declination. Best to be done on the subject as well. Point though...you really don't know my views. You are just projecting what you think they are since I voted for Trump.
With that...will try to ignore the political fray.
Cheers.
Napa, I was done, but why did you have to put in the part about not knowing your views? I DO NOT know your views. I only know that you are a staunch defender of a racist, bigot, sexist, mocker of the disabled and the captured soldiers, a man who now claims he's "The chosen" one and loves the tweet that called him the "King of Israel" (I'm not sure if he's supposed to be Christ or the Messiah, but it should be offensive to people of all faiths), a remover of children from their parents who is now saying they children can be held "indefinitely") a cheating golfer who has played more than 240 days (a lot more than Obama, big surprise), the biggest liar ever to occupy the WH, a draft dodger, an unindicted defendant in multiple acts of obstruction of justice, a lover of dictators and demagogues, a demagogue and a one lousy businessman.
But yeah I'm just projecting what you think.
Clearly, you are both done AF.
billhike posted:Clearly, you are both done AF.
Wishful thoughts
flwino posted:billhike posted:Clearly, you are both done AF.
Wishful thoughts
"Miley Cyrus’ Reaction To Liam Hemsworth Filing For Divorce Is Incredibly Shocking"
I see on the news that she has a "girl friend" and were making out like mad at a bar.
flwino posted:I see on the news that she has a "girl friend" and were making out like mad at a bar.
She came out as pansexual five or so years ago I think.
Friday- Yeah
Rain- - Darn
napacat posted:The Old Man posted:napacat posted:I’m done...but I will wager with you a $100 bottle of wine should Trump not win ( cannot see how to this crowd on the Democratic side) that he will exit gracefully. I’lll ship to you, if he does not win and and does any of what you said above . You will ship to me should he not win and accept the results.
If he wins...we’ll hell...that’s enough for me.
Even though your views make me sick that's a very gentlemanly offer. However, you make it too easy for me. I said he "wouldn't leave" and you're saying "exit gracefully." Now even you must know that he never does anything gracefully. So thanks for the offer but I don't want to take your easy money bet.
I'm done too.
OK...respectfully accept the declination. Best to be done on the subject as well. Point though...you really don't know my views. You are just projecting what you think they are since I voted for Trump.
With that...will try to ignore the political fray.
Cheers.
Sitting on my deck last night listening to music and drinking some lovely Chardonnay, it occurred to me that this interaction between napacat and The Old Man is essentially the song Dialogue Part 1 by Chicago. It may have been the wine, but the realization really made me chuckle. Carry on being done with each other...
I hereby order... the seared scallop and the the lamb shank.
winetarelli posted:I hereby order... the seared scallop and the the lamb shank.
Funny. Also made me hungry.
PH
Trump's latest retweet:
"The media is destroying the free press!"
Is there any chance he gets the irony and idiocy of that comment?
bman posted:Trump's latest retweet:
"The media is destroying the free press!"
Is there any chance he gets the irony and idiocy of that comment?
You made that up. That's like saying, "Keep the government away from my Medicare."
The Old Man posted:bman posted:Trump's latest retweet:
"The media is destroying the free press!"
Is there any chance he gets the irony and idiocy of that comment?
You made that up. That's like saying, "Keep the government away from my Medicare."
bman posted:The Old Man posted:bman posted:Trump's latest retweet:
"The media is destroying the free press!"
Is there any chance he gets the irony and idiocy of that comment?
You made that up. That's like saying, "Keep the government away from my Medicare."
Is there a chance Putin’s poodle get the irony?😂. Stop it. The man is completely clueless and obtuse. Listen to his vocabulary. He always sounds like he is speaking to a group of third graders.
wineart 2 posted:He always sounds like he is speaking to a group of third graders.
Now, now... His analysis on the Kashmir situation was brilliant and erudite.
You have the Hindus and you have the Muslims, and I wouldn’t say they get along so great.
Our stable genius at work.
PH
purplehaze posted:wineart 2 posted:He always sounds like he is speaking to a group of third graders.Now, now... His analysis on the Kashmir situation was brilliant and erudite.
You have the Hindus and you have the Muslims, and I wouldn’t say they get along so great.
Our stable genius at work.
PH
Seriously, that is the extent of his depth on this subject matter.
In the news from the G7:
""The question I was asked most today by fellow World Leaders, who think the USA is doing so well and is stronger than ever before, happens to be, “Mr. President, why does the American media hate your Country so much? Why are they rooting for it to fail?”
Yes, I'm sure THAT's what they asked him most today.....
There are no adjectives left to describe the Orange Clown’s state of mind, intellectual and leadership capacity.
Guess we need to go to the Old English Dictionary [what ever the correct name is]. Should be able to find another adjective.
muttonhead dork nincompoop
flwino posted:Guess we need to go to the Old English Dictionary [what ever the correct name is]. Should be able to find another adjective.
It's the Oxford English Dictionary, flwino. And forget adjectives, there are plenty of nouns. I ran across these Old English insults recently. Although I am really trying to decrease the mental bandwidth I devote to the squatter in the White House, I found these to be particularly accurate and entertaining!
Abydos was a city in Ancient Egypt whose inhabitants, according to one 19th century dictionary, “were famous for inventing slanders and boasting of them.” Whether that’s true or not, the name Abydos is the origin of abydocomist—a liar who brags about their lies.
An adulterer. Another of Shakespeare’s inventions that became popular in Victorian slang.
Also called a cumberground—someone who is so useless, they just serve to take up space.
An insignificant or foolish man.
An old Scots word for a swindling businessman, or someone who gets into debt and then flees.
Someone who only seems able to speak by shouting.
In Victorian English, doing quisby meant shirking from work or lazing around. A quisby was someone who did just that.
A visitor who outstays his or her welcome. Originally, someone who stays so late the dying coals in the fireplace would need to be raked over just to keep it burning.
Probably derived from scopperloit, an old English dialect word for a vacation or a break from work, a scobberlotcher is someone who never works hard.
A badly-behaved child. Coined by the Scottish poet Robert Burns from the old Scots word skelpie, meaning “misbehaving” or “deserving punishment.”
Someone who constantly interrupts a conversation, typically only to contradict or correct someone else.
Another of Shakespeare’s inventions directed at the gross, womanizing knight Falstaff in Henry IV, Part 1. It’s probably derived from “tallow ketch,” literally “a barrel of fat.
A weak and ineffectual man. (Wandoughty is an old word for impotence. Say no more.)
Amazing how the Old English seemed to have anticipated our dear leader. Credits to Mental Floss for the material!
PH
Somebody has too much time on his hands, though I salute your good works!
Now we know who the retired forumites are.
Put another way, he changes sides more often than windshield wipers in a Florida downpour.
Good anology
Traders are seeing opportunity whenever the Orange Clown opens its mouth or says something similarly stupid on Twitter.
He said you could nuke a hurricane
patespo1 posted:He said you could nuke a hurricane
The orange pile of shit so wants to push the button.
I love how China called his lie out .... who called you? 😂
Maybe he got a robocall from someone claiming to be the head guy in China.
I got a robocall a month or so ago and readout on the caller ID said "The White House." As there is no vacancy on the S. Ct., I did not take the call.
maybe time to "batten down the hatches"
flwino posted:maybe time to "batten down the hatches"
Indeed. Looks like it will hit FL as a #4 hurricane. Yikes.
We were down there this past weekend. Glad we're back here.
Heard it's headed straight to the Doral Country Club. So much for that next summit.
appears to shift northward, and give us a glancing blow. JAX and GA SC need to look sharp
Bedbug
winetarelli posted:Bedbug
No bedbug. You're the bedbug.
PH
Well, the orange pile of cow dung just informed the world he isn’t sure he has ever heard of a Cat 5 hurricane. Hmm. Seems there have been four such hit and or threaten the U.S. since he took office. 😂🙈
What a f€^\king idiot. The orange pile of dung speaks and the world laughs.
wineart 2 posted:Well, the orange pile of cow dung just informed the world he isn’t sure he has ever heard of a Cat 5 hurricane. Hmm. Seems there have been four such hit and or threaten the U.S. since he took office. 😂🙈
What a f€^\king idiot. The orange pile of dung speaks and the world laughs.
Oh... it gets even better. In 2017 when Irma hit Florida, trump said, “ (he) never even knew a Category 5 existed.” Last year when Michael hit the FL panhandle, he again stated that he hadn't heard of a Category 5. Interesting, in referring to Maria in Puerto Rico, he repeatedly referred to the storm as a Cat 5. It wasn't, it was a 4 when it made landfall, but whatever...
The guys is non compos mentis.
PH
purplehaze posted:wineart 2 posted:Well, the orange pile of cow dung just informed the world he isn’t sure he has ever heard of a Cat 5 hurricane. Hmm. Seems there have been four such hit and or threaten the U.S. since he took office. 😂🙈
What a f€^\king idiot. The orange pile of dung speaks and the world laughs.
Oh... it gets even better. In 2017 when Irma hit Florida, trump said, “ (he) never even knew a Category 5 existed.” Last year when Michael hit the FL panhandle, he again stated that he hadn't heard of a Category 5. Interesting, in referring to Maria in Puerto Rico, he repeatedly referred to the storm as a Cat 5. It wasn't, it was a 4 when it made landfall, but whatever...
The guys is non compos mentis.
PH
Don’t forget, Napa’s fluffer wants to drop a nuclear bomb in the eye of the hurricane. 😂
The buffoon has literally spent 1/3 of his entire office on the golf course.
If we had any other person for president, the market would be up 30% YoY and we woudln't be staring down higher consumer costs nor have to deal with the rest of the nonsense this 'administration" has laid upon the American public.
https://www.newsweek.com/flori...ouse-adviser-1457196
ah, these are my fellow americans who have the right to vote ..
g-man posted:The buffoon has literally spent 1/3 of his entire office on the golf course.
If we had any other person for president, the market would be up 30% YoY and we woudln't be staring down higher consumer costs nor have to deal with the rest of the nonsense this 'administration" has laid upon the American public.
Hurricane? Great! I had no interest in going to Poland anyway.
Now, off to play 36. Keep me in the loop if any of my properties are in harm’s way. Other than that, do not disturb me.
g-man posted:https://www.newsweek.com/flori...ouse-adviser-1457196
ah, these are my fellow americans who have the right to vote ..
And reproduce.
billhike posted:g-man posted:https://www.newsweek.com/flori...ouse-adviser-1457196
ah, these are my fellow americans who have the right to vote ..
And reproduce.
Well, we have a White House full of science deniers so I’m confident this idea is being vetted against the orange pile of dungs theory for a nuclear bomb. 😂
As for your reproduce comment. I’m assuming you meant inbred!
Crossing my fingers for the UK. If they can pull this off, then maybe we can oust the sociopathic pumpkin.
What is amazing is, if you believe the polls, that among the people who lead Rodent in Chief in head to head competition is the 37 year old gay guy who is the mayor of the 4th largest city in Indiana.
irwin posted:What is amazing is, if you believe the polls, that among the people who lead Rodent in Chief in head to head competition is the 37 year old gay guy who is the mayor of the 4th largest city in Indiana.
You mean the magna cum laude Harvard graduate, Rhodes scholar, speaker of seven languages and Navy veteran? That guy? Not so amazing to me, but perhaps indicative that at least some of our country is actually paying attention. A good sign in my humble opinion. I'm pretty sure we can get a look at Pete's grades and tax returns without much ado as well!
We could (and are doing) much, much worse.
PH
Sharpie.
Sharpie.
This is beyond The Onion.
purplehaze posted:irwin posted:What is amazing is, if you believe the polls, that among the people who lead Rodent in Chief in head to head competition is the 37 year old gay guy who is the mayor of the 4th largest city in Indiana.
You mean the magna cum laude Harvard graduate, Rhodes scholar, speaker of seven languages and Navy veteran? That guy? Not so amazing to me, but perhaps indicative that at least some of our country is actually paying attention. A good sign in my humble opinion. I'm pretty sure we can get a look at Pete's grades and tax returns without much ado as well!
We could (and are doing) much, much worse.
PH
Yes, Mayor Pete speaks 7 languages. That's 7 more than the R-in-Chief speaks.
Irwin, the orange POS with a 3rd grade vocabulary does speak the language of the KKK, hate, divisiveness, misogyny and xenophobia very well.
I also know the people of Alabama can rest well knowing the current hurricane will not make landfall in their state! The orange conman was very concerned.
just back from evacuating to Alabama to see the Hurricane. Where did it go?
Anyhow, Dorian missed us. My heart is with those 45 miles east of us in the Bahamas.
In looking at the A$$hole golf swing, he needs lessons
flwino posted:just back from evacuating to Alabama to see the Hurricane.
Apparently you didn't see the sharpie adjusted storm track! Glad you are safe.
Agree on the dumpster's golf game. If he's a 3 handicap, I'm Arnold Palmer.
PH
I like a good Arnold Palmer but it's better as a back nine when you add some bourbon.
robsutherland posted:I like a good Arnold Palmer but it's better as a back nine when you add some bourbon.
If you add enough Bourbon, then it becomes a whiskey sour!
thistlintom posted:robsutherland posted:I like a good Arnold Palmer but it's better as a back nine when you add some bourbon.
If you add enough Bourbon, then it becomes a whiskey sour!
And, if you add just the right amount of bourbon, you get... bourbon.
PH
You know a wedding is going off the rails when the best man who is the bride's brother starts making di@k jokes in his toast
jcocktosten posted:You know a wedding is going off the rails when the best man who is the bride's brother starts making di@k jokes in his toast
Off the rails? Sounds like it's just getting good! (unless you're related to the bride, then it's terribly inappropriate....)
bman posted:jcocktosten posted:You know a wedding is going off the rails when the best man who is the bride's brother starts making di@k jokes in his toast
Off the rails? Sounds like it's just getting good! (unless you're related to the bride, then it's terribly inappropriate....)
Was not getting good
My dad gave me some good advice many years ago. "Son, if you're thinking of making a toast and you've had more than 2 drinks, don't."
PH
purplehaze posted:My dad gave me some good advice many years ago. "Son, if you're thinking of making a toast and you've had more than 2 drinks, don't."
PH
Wise man. Or perhaps he's speaking from experience?
Either way, wise.
mneeley490 posted:purplehaze posted:My dad gave me some good advice many years ago. "Son, if you're thinking of making a toast and you've had more than 2 drinks, don't."
PH
Wise man. Or perhaps he's speaking from experience?
Never got a story. I'm sure it was either his personal experience, or watching something like jc referenced. Likely the latter. In his 80+ years on the planet, I never once saw him intoxicated, although he was a regular imbiber.
PH
So... a good question from one of my favorite conservative pundits, Jennifer Rubin:
“What would Republicans have done if President Barack Obama had invited the Taliban to Camp David days before the 18th anniversary of 9/11?”
Would love to hear from the rump supporters here on this one.
PH
purplehaze posted:So... a good question from one of my favorite conservative pundits, Jennifer Rubin:
“What would Republicans have done if President Barack Obama had invited the Taliban to Camp David days before the 18th anniversary of 9/11?”
Would love to hear from the rump supporters here on this one.
PH
How about if he called himself "The chosen" as he looked to the sky or retweeted that someone called him the "King of Israel"? Yeah that would have gone over well with the Trumpanzies.
Taliban says they were never invited to Camp David, the meeting was to be in Qatar. That makes a lot more sense to me.
But of course, anything Trump says must be true, right?
purplehaze posted:So... a good question from one of my favorite conservative pundits, Jennifer Rubin:
“What would Republicans have done if President Barack Obama had invited the Taliban to Camp David days before the 18th anniversary of 9/11?”
Would love to hear from the rump supporters here on this one.
PH
She was a member of the synagogue my dad was the Rabbi at for 20 years
jcocktosten posted:Jennifer Rubin...She was a member of the synagogue my dad was the Rabbi at for 20 years
I didn't know that your dad was a Rabbi. If his synagogue was in the DC area, I'm sure he had a few other high-profile members.
PH
How do you go to work?
Buh-bye John Bolton. Maybe Bannon comes back as NSA.
billhike posted:Buh-bye John Bolton. Maybe Bannon comes back as NSA.
😂 I just started a new thread in Travel & Entertainment. We think alike.
purplehaze posted:jcocktosten posted:Jennifer Rubin...She was a member of the synagogue my dad was the Rabbi at for 20 years
I didn't know that your dad was a Rabbi. If his synagogue was in the DC area, I'm sure he had a few other high-profile members.
PH
Used to be Herndon/Reston Virginia. He retired in 2013 - ish - but just took an interim gig in Gaithersberg.
“You are well intentioned and principled. But you are over-excitable and you need to contain yourself. If it requires you take some medication, then so be it.”
Squab is the most under-utilized protien in American restaurants.
another TS?
Starting this past Tuesday 9.10.19 through 9.19.19 everyday is a palindrome.
irwin posted:Starting this past Tuesday 9.10.19 through 9.19.19 everyday is a palindrome.
Good point!
“We can’t be the policeman for the world”
”We are locked and loaded, waiting to hear from the Kingdom”
billhike posted:“We can’t be the policeman for the world”
”We are locked and loaded, waiting to hear from the Kingdom”
Are you suggesting that President Trump has made two inconsistent statements?
irwin posted:billhike posted:“We can’t be the policeman for the world”
”We are locked and loaded, waiting to hear from the Kingdom”
Are you suggesting that President Trump has made two inconsistent statements?
Though it’d be more apt for Putin's Bitch to say “I always lie, even when I’m telling the truth”......
irwin posted:billhike posted:“We can’t be the policeman for the world”
”We are locked and loaded, waiting to hear from the Kingdom”
Are you suggesting that President Trump has made two inconsistent statements?
Two? No. Not suggesting that at all.
Corey Lewandowski is a charming fellow.
PH
purplehaze posted:Corey Lewandowski is a charming fellow.
PH
I did find it amusing how well he spoke while having Trump’s penis in his mouth. I’m guessing it speaks to the size of the orange small hands person he was fluffing.
wineart 2 posted:purplehaze posted:Corey Lewandowski is a charming fellow.
PH
I did find it amusing how well he spoke while having Trump’s penis in his mouth. I’m guessing it speaks to the size of the orange small hands person he was fluffing.
Thinking of his voice being muffled while kissing a$$
"I have no obligation to be honest with the media," And he wants to be a Senator!
flwino posted:"I have no obligation to be honest with the media," And he wants to be a Senator!
I don't know, it sounds like he would be perfect for the job.
According to Wikipedia..."In 1999, while working for [Congressman[ Ney, Lewandowski brought a loaded handgun in a laundry bag into the Longworth House Office Building. He was arrested and charged with a misdemeanor.Lewandowski said it was an accident, that he forgot the gun was in the bag when he put the laundry in it."
The charges were dropped. Now, assuming you feel that people should be allowed to own guns, it should be responsible people, and if you own a gun, you really ought to know where it is at all times. Do gun owners typically keep their guns loaded and hidden in the laundry bags into which they toss their smelly clothes? And, why was he bringing his laundry to the House building anyway? do they have laundry machines so that the taxpayers foot the bill for doing the laundry for people like him?
There is a joke in there somewhere about dirty laundry.
ProSys posted:In light of the recent news of Putin’s Bitch and Ghouliani’s totally legal “negotiations” with Ukraine, it begs the following question. So when you offer up “Treason’s Greetings”, what is the correct usage:
- Merry Treason?
- Happy Treason?
I'm thinking my preference would be, "You have the right to remain silent, fuckwad."
PH
purplehaze posted:ProSys posted:In light of the recent news of Putin’s Bitch and Ghouliani’s totally legal “negotiations” with Ukraine, it begs the following question. So when you offer up “Treason’s Greetings”, what is the correct usage:
- Merry Treason?
- Happy Treason?
I'm thinking my preference would be, "You have the right to remain silent, fuckwad."
PH
While being frog-marched outside the Rose Garden.
For what it's worth Trump, for all the horrors and lies he engages in, has not committed treason. Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution, and as far was we know the bigot in chief not met the definition. Even the disgraceful call to the Ukraine president is not treason.
I looked up the definition of treason in the constitution and don't quite understand it. One would have to review the documents associated with the debates on the adoption of the constitution and the Federalist papers, and I sure don't have time for that.
But, trading away US foreign policy goodies (like arms, support, assistance, taxpayer money) to a foreign government in exchange for some domestic political advantage sure sounds like:
1) A very bad idea
2) Demonstrative of someone cares about himself, way more than the country.
The Old Man posted:For what it's worth Trump, for all the horrors and lies he engages in, has not committed treason.
Agreed. But...
IF trump pressured a foreign president to dig up dirt on, or press legal action against a political opponent, I think that'll get the job done. This whistleblower report needs to get to Congress immediately. Apparently, if the report isn't furnished to Congress per the law, there is a mechanism to have the whistleblower communicate directly with the appropriate legislators.
It seems that even Pelosi and Nadler are coming around on impeachment, and even a handful of republican pols have started mumbling about the inappropriateness of the behavior alleged. Pedal to the metal, dems. It's time to get serious with this dirtbag.
And Ghouliani needs to make more public statements. He's the gift that keeps on giving!
PH
Treason has to help an "enemy" of the US. This has to be a declared enemy (by the US.) Russia is not declared enemy of the US. Note that the Rosenbergs were not charged with treason. However the racist in chief's actions are clearly impeachable.
It seems that even Pelosi and Nadler are coming around on impeachment, and even a handful of republican pols have started mumbling about the inappropriateness of the behavior alleged.
True the House could seek impeachment, however it will go nowhere in the Mitch House. Sorry, sad state of affairs. Shame it has to be 67 votes to convict
