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N napacatMember
irwin posted:

we should not be analyzing this in terms of guilt or innocence.  This is not a criminal proceeding.  If charges had been filed immediately after this incident took place (if indeed it did) since Judge kavanaugh was a minor at the time, it would likely have been dealt with in our juvenile court, where the issue is not termed "guilt or innocence".

The questions are (supposed to be) these:

1) Does this guy have the professional experience, intelligence, and exposure to the Supreme Court and its tasks and functions to serve on that court?  (for sure he does)

2) Are his views of the law so wacky and out of the mainstream that he should be rejected, or are they more normative? (They are normative)

3) The last....Does he possess the requisite moral character to serve in this position?  Personally, even if as a high school student or college kid he did some awful things, it seems that in the last 33 or so years he's been ok.  I think back to some of the things I did when I was young and stupid (as opposed to now, when I am old and stupid).  On balance, I'd be likely, if I were in the Senate, to give him a pass and vote for him.

But, now, based on the strident positions of both sides, there is a fourth question. An inappropriate one, in my view, and that is:  How would voting for or against the confirmation affect my political future?  The US Senators, who in general have backbones not unlike your average jellyfish, will vote solely on the basis of this 4th question.

In the movie about Justice ginsburg, Orrin Hatch said that he disagreed with her opinions on things, but that she was qualified, and hence he voted for her.  But this type of civility is gone.  Where are the Jeffersons and the Washingtons?  They are not in politics, they are in the NFL.

 

 

 

Irwin, this is a very good post and well said...and sadly I think I would agree with point four.

it should be exactly as Hatch stated.

N napacatMember
mneeley490 posted:

The problem, as I see it, is with the speed that the committee wants to vote. Everyone knows they're trying to get this done before the coming disaster of the midterms, which even they have predicted they could lose at least the House.

But these allegations MUST be given a thorough investigation, whether Kavenaugh did them or not. Otherwise, if he is rushed to be appointed, he will have this cloud over his head for the rest of his career; much like Clarence Thomas. How could anyone trust him to rule on anything even close to a women's issue? Should he then recuse himself from them? That would be a very inefficient use of the Supreme Court's time.

Irwin’s post was well thought out...this is nonsensical.  How can these “allegations MUST” be given a thorough investigation when they have not found one credible person to cooberate either of them.  Yet over 200 women speak up for Kavanaugh!  This is a total scam.   The democrats went looking for person 2.  

I think this will backfire on the dems badly.  They cannot win a debate with the other side other than shouting ( racist, hates the environment, wants to take away social security..etc).

VOTE!

InsightInsightMember

So now there are currently 4 different allegations.  Avenatti, the "bulldog" that Putin's Bitch avoids calling out on Twitter like the premise of some horrorcore movie ("don't poke him on social media, or he'll haunt you anytime you're on the golf course!"), has promised that the 3rd accuser will be revealing herself in the next 48 hours.  Oh, and Avenatti is currently representing clients (i.e. plural) who have witnessed or experienced less than positive interactions with Kavanaugh and Mark Judge.  

And what should be funny if it weren't so despicable is that one of the women (Renate Schroeder, now Renate Dolphin) who initially vouched for Kavanaugh has all but retracted her support after being informed that numerous insinuations about her were made in high school yearbooks by Kavanaugh and his cronies.  Kavanaugh himself stated he was a "Renate Alumnius" in his personal yearbook page.  Another Georgetown Prep student (Michael Walsh) included this "innocent" remark about Renate Dolphin née Schroeder on his personal yearbook page:

“You need a date / and it’s getting late / so don’t hesitate / to call Renate.”

Theres a saying that "where there's smoke, there's fire".  There's a helluva lotta smoke that the White House and Senate GOP are trying to minimize/avoid here........

 

 

 

robsutherlandrobsutherlandMember
irwin posted:

Avenatti is to lawyers what Retsina is to wine.

Memorable and the people that love it love it and the people that don't hate it with a passion?

Fair enough description I guess. 

He's run circles around his opposition and is the yang to the Trump team's yin. If I had to pick between him or Gulliani to be my lawyer I know which one I would pick. 

InsightInsightMember

Avenatti is like an MMA fighter who specializes in the "ground and pound" style.  He's a master of the very game that Putin's Bitch/GOP/alt right love to play - - - get in the dirt and rough up your opponents.  He's media savvy, but more importantly he's delivered on his outlandish claims more often than not.  We'll know soon enough if his clients have even more dirt on Kavanaugh, whose outlandish claims of being a model choirboy in his high school days are refuted by his own words in his yearbook.  

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N napacatMember
jcocktosten posted:

Any complaint about politicizing this is a friggin' joke after what they did to the Merrick Garland nomination - so whatever

It’s called the Biden rule!  He called for it first!  They gambled and won because Hillary is a giant POS.  And anyone who could pull the lever for her is just a sellout to the party!

VOTE!

bmanbmanMember
napacat posted:
jcocktosten posted:

Any complaint about politicizing this is a friggin' joke after what they did to the Merrick Garland nomination - so whatever

It’s called the Biden rule!  He called for it first!  They gambled and won because Hillary is a giant POS.  And anyone who could pull the lever for her is just a sellout to the party!

VOTE!

So those who pulled the lever for Trump are what?  Sensible people who carefully weighed the pros and cons before deciding?  Or just as tribally loyal to the Republicans as many are to the Democrats? 

At least the collected world leaders didn't laugh out loud at Hillary - or Obama - at the UN or anywhere else.  Trump is such a clown, the world is laughing at him for all to see! How embarrassing for you....

N napacatMember
billhike posted:
bman posted:

In case there is any question that the world is laughing at Trump, here is the world - literally - laughing at Trump today.  Even world leaders and very senior diplomats couldn't keep themselves from laughing out loud at him!

Trump at the UN today

I hope napacat had some tissues or a sock nearby while watching...

Pretty good speech overal...a bit self deprecating  and you play one little piece.  Disingenuous.  Love the way things are going.  Democrats are losers.  Prey on the general public and divide.  Jokers.  They cannot win a debate on issues or substance.  Go stand by Keith Ellison, prop up these fake claims against Kavanaugh.  Good luck...say hello to the next SC Justice.  Winning feels good.

Feel bad for a lot of you...would still share a nice bottle though! 

N napacatMember
bman posted:
napacat posted:
jcocktosten posted:

Any complaint about politicizing this is a friggin' joke after what they did to the Merrick Garland nomination - so whatever

It’s called the Biden rule!  He called for it first!  They gambled and won because Hillary is a giant POS.  And anyone who could pull the lever for her is just a sellout to the party!

VOTE!

So those who pulled the lever for Trump are what?  Sensible people who carefully weighed the pros and cons before deciding?  Or just as tribally loyal to the Republicans as many are to the Democrats? 

At least the collected world leaders didn't laugh out loud at Hillary - or Obama - at the UN or anywhere else.  Trump is such a clown, the world is laughing at him for all to see! How embarrassing for you....

Those who pulled the lever for Trump are tired of the political corrupt class in DC.  It’s bad on both sides.  This is our best chance to have a change. 

Who could possibly voted for H.  A giant corrupt POS.

G g-manMember
purplehaze posted:

I understand that there are several cures for political myopia.  They involve intellect, logic, open-mindedness and fact based reasoning.  

PH

I'd just settle for logic.  How does one say that "You need to leave politics out of it and pick the best candidate"  then go on to say "everyone from this <insert political party> sucks"

G g-manMember
napacat posted:
purplehaze posted:

I understand that there are several cures for political myopia.  They involve intellect, logic, open-mindedness and fact based reasoning.  

PH

Yes...you should seek those out.  Coming from the most closed minded people in the U.S...Democrats. Intolerant of any othe r view.  

Good luck.

I hope you note the irony in your post.

bmanbmanMember
g-man posted:
napacat posted:
purplehaze posted:

I understand that there are several cures for political myopia.  They involve intellect, logic, open-mindedness and fact based reasoning.  

PH

Yes...you should seek those out.  Coming from the most closed minded people in the U.S...Democrats. Intolerant of any othe r view.  

Good luck.

I hope you note the irony in your post.

Just as Trump looked utterly baffled when the room laughed at him today, because he honestly believes the BS he hears on Fox and from his disciples, and so repeats several times a day, Napa probably believes the same thing for the same reason, and so is impervious to the irony of his comments.

The Old ManThe Old ManMember
napacat posted:
purplehaze posted:

I understand that there are several cures for political myopia.  They involve intellect, logic, open-mindedness and fact based reasoning.  

PH

Yes...you should seek those out.  Coming from the most closed minded people in the U.S...Democrats. Intolerant of any othe r view.  

Good luck.

I'll admit to it--I don't want to hear from bigots, racists or sexists. Since your boy is all three (and more) I don't want to hear from his supporters (enablers) either.

W wine+artMember

Oh my, I have been in Europe for a week and it seems the forum has decided to feed the troll once again. 

No one could be as willfully ignorant as Napa appears without being a simple troll. Napa clearly has the intellectual depth of a hummingbird, equates all in this thread as a Democrat that does not agree with him, ( WRONG) thinks Dump is a republican ( WRONG) has zero understanding of history just like Dump, yet Napa clear plays the fool well.

Napa attacks democrats. The hummingbird mind can’t understand it was the generational Democrats that put Dump in office. Pretty simple to understand for most. The hummingbird also can’t seem to comprehend ( surprise) that I haven’t seen people within this thread ( perhaps I missed something) that are taking strong positions on the nominee without ALL the facts. Seems odd to me that cases from decades ago have serious relevance against Cosby, sexual abuse cases 50 years old have relevance against priest, yet potential sexual abuse against Kavanaugh should not be thoroughly investigated. As people have pointed out to the hummingbird, background checks are not criminal investigations. Doesn’t seem too hard to me, but I’m not a hummingbird.

The fact that Kavanaugh’s accuser talked about him and his attack some six years ago, sought professional counsel, passed a lie detector test and is willing to face eleven old angry  white men before the nation would at least cause a moment of pause. What is the rush? The Republican Party was okay having only eight sitting justices for over 400 days, but now they are in a rush? Right! 

Napa our resident hummingbird brain is such a large pile of shit he makes Clinton’s look like a grain of salt in comparison... and as a Clinton hater, that is hard to do. 

Now, back to our European holiday where Dump is MUCH more hated than he even is by the 68% in America. 

THE WORLD LAUGHS AT OUR PRESIDENT! 

flwinoflwinoMember
jcocktosten posted:

So instead of a politically corrupt candidate, a thoroughly corrupt candidate (moral, business, political, racist, sexist, homophobe, xenocentric) is a logical choice?  That makes lots of sense.

As does conservatives complaining about intolerance when the intolerance  is only being intolerant of intolerance 

Great summation

InsightInsightMember

Avenatti's client has been revealed.  The list of transgressions she states she personally saw Kavanaugh participate in/act out is the direct opposite of his claims that he spent his high school years as a light drinking, virginal and virtuous teenager who completely respected the females he socialized with.  She's also someone who has worked with a number of federal agencies, including the Dept of Defense and Homeland Security, and currently has an active security clearance with the Treasury Department.  Try as they might, I doubt even the GOP members of the Senate Judiciary Committee would try to minimize or ignore her allegations.

As I mentioned previously, this is a helluva hill that Putin's Bitch and the Senate GOP want to die on.  Look up the definition of "lose/lose", and this is exactly the situation they've lowered themselves into..........

irwinirwinMember

 

Judge Kavanaugh released notes of his old calendars yesterday.  I have saved my professional calendars since I became an attorney, 40 year ago.  It seemed like a good idea.  But,..........according to Judge Kavanaugh's calendar from 1982, he went to see Grease 2 (not Grease II as in Kavanaugh's calendar notes) , a sequel to Grease which had about twice the budget as the 1978 original and grossed about 3% as much as the original and was soundly trashed by most critics.  He took a date, named Suzanne, who he had apparently asked out 8 days earlier.
Where was the FBI on this? 
bmanbmanMember

Anyone watching Trump's live stream-of-consciousness press conference at the moment cannot be in any doubt that he is nuts.  Legally insane.  Unless he's on meth or something else of course.  If you're missing it, go online and watch, you will be transfixed.

Of course, I use the term "press conference" loosely, as he hardly lets anyone finish a question before he goes off on a tangent, usually utterly unrelated to whatever question he's been asked.  How on earth did a guy like this end up President?

And now he's just said that Canada carries an $800 billion trade surplus with the US, which is of course not true, according to his own government's data and that of every other source on the matter.  

The Old ManThe Old ManMember
bman posted:

Anyone watching Trump's live stream-of-consciousness press conference at the moment cannot be in any doubt that he is nuts.  Legally insane.  Unless he's on meth or something else of course.  If you're missing it, go online and watch, you will be transfixed.

Of course, I use the term "press conference" loosely, as he hardly lets anyone finish a question before he goes off on a tangent, usually utterly unrelated to whatever question he's been asked.  How on earth did a guy like this end up President?

I am watching, as he takes credit for saving the world, attacks Obama and makes totally meaningless sentences. Man/child pussy grabber in chief.

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patespo1patespo1Member
theoldman posted:
bman posted:

Anyone watching Trump's live stream-of-consciousness press conference at the moment cannot be in any doubt that he is nuts.  Legally insane.  Unless he's on meth or something else of course.  If you're missing it, go online and watch, you will be transfixed.

Of course, I use the term "press conference" loosely, as he hardly lets anyone finish a question before he goes off on a tangent, usually utterly unrelated to whatever question he's been asked.  How on earth did a guy like this end up President?

I am watching, as he takes credit for saving the world, attacks Obama and makes totally meaningless sentences. Man/child pussy grabber in chief.

He actually said supporting Roy Moore was better than a Democrat getting in office.  It got lost in all of the other drivel that fell out of his mouth. 

purplehazepurplehazeMember

The Dotard crashed the Republican party and stole the show, not because the Repubs were disorganized, but because no one in the party had the stones to stop him early on.  To punch him in the mouth <metaphorically of course> and take him out of the conversation.  It speaks poorly to the talent pool in the current GOP.  Sad.

PH

 

N napacatMember
wineart 2 posted:

Oh my, I have been in Europe for a week and it seems the forum has decided to feed the troll once again. 

No one could be as willfully ignorant as Napa appears without being a simple troll. Napa clearly has the intellectual depth of a hummingbird, equates all in this thread as a Democrat that does not agree with him, ( WRONG) thinks Dump is a republican ( WRONG) has zero understanding of history just like Dump, yet Napa clear plays the fool well.

Napa attacks democrats. The hummingbird mind can’t understand it was the generational Democrats that put Dump in office. Pretty simple to understand for most. The hummingbird also can’t seem to comprehend ( surprise) that I haven’t seen people within this thread ( perhaps I missed something) that are taking strong positions on the nominee without ALL the facts. Seems odd to me that cases from decades ago have serious relevance against Cosby, sexual abuse cases 50 years old have relevance against priest, yet potential sexual abuse against Kavanaugh should not be thoroughly investigated. As people have pointed out to the hummingbird, background checks are not criminal investigations. Doesn’t seem too hard to me, but I’m not a hummingbird.

The fact that Kavanaugh’s accuser talked about him and his attack some six years ago, sought professional counsel, passed a lie detector test and is willing to face eleven old angry  white men before the nation would at least cause a moment of pause. What is the rush? The Republican Party was okay having only eight sitting justices for over 400 days, but now they are in a rush? Right! 

Napa our resident hummingbird brain is such a large pile of shit he makes Clinton’s look like a grain of salt in comparison... and as a Clinton hater, that is hard to do. 

Now, back to our European holiday where Dump is MUCH more hated than he even is by the 68% in America. 

THE WORLD LAUGHS AT OUR PRESIDENT! 

Stay in Europe...no point in conversing with you. 

bmanbmanMember
napacat posted:

Serious question.  Who believes Kavanaugh or the accusers?

I easily believe Kavannaugh...this is such a joke.

As an aside, trump was pretty entertaining today.  I will say, it is hard to believe he is the President...but why not.  I’m enjoying it.

My view is that further investigation is needed. It's in everyone's interest that this happen, otherwise the one pillar of government that is supposed to be above politics - a ship that has pretty much already sailed, admittedly - will be forever seen as tainted, as will its decisions going forward.  How is that in America's interest?

Why is more investigation needed?

-the first accuser is a credible professional who said she was assaulted years ago

-the second accuser is also a credible professional

-the third accuser is another credible professional who has made a sworn affidavit to Congress, which I understand would lead to criminal charges if proven false

-and now there is a fourth accuser, apparently

-and all the circumstantial evidence suggests Kavanaugh was in fact no the sweet hard-working God-fearing kid he claimed but a hard-drinking hard-partying  typical teenager/ college student, as he himself more or less admitted in a speech a few years ago

Does this mean that he is lying?  Not necessarily, which is why more investigation is needed, ideally by a truly non-partisan entity, which probably means a non-American one.  I suggest the RCMP.....

The Old ManThe Old ManMember
napacat posted:
billhike posted:
bman  How on earth did a guy like this end up President?

1- Horrendously shitty opponent.

2- Pathetic voter turnout.

3- Disorganized Republican Party that couldn’t get a serious candidate with a brain and human skills through.

4- Stupid people being allowed reproductive rights.

#1 says it all.  Anyone would have won over that skank.  

 

"Skank"? As classless as your hero.

W wine+artMember
napacat posted:
wineart 2 posted:

Oh my, I have been in Europe for a week and it seems the forum has decided to feed the troll once again. 

No one could be as willfully ignorant as Napa appears without being a simple troll. Napa clearly has the intellectual depth of a hummingbird, equates all in this thread as a Democrat that does not agree with him, ( WRONG) thinks Dump is a republican ( WRONG) has zero understanding of history just like Dump, yet Napa clear plays the fool well.

Napa attacks democrats. The hummingbird mind can’t understand it was the generational Democrats that put Dump in office. Pretty simple to understand for most. The hummingbird also can’t seem to comprehend ( surprise) that I haven’t seen people within this thread ( perhaps I missed something) that are taking strong positions on the nominee without ALL the facts. Seems odd to me that cases from decades ago have serious relevance against Cosby, sexual abuse cases 50 years old have relevance against priest, yet potential sexual abuse against Kavanaugh should not be thoroughly investigated. As people have pointed out to the hummingbird, background checks are not criminal investigations. Doesn’t seem too hard to me, but I’m not a hummingbird.

The fact that Kavanaugh’s accuser talked about him and his attack some six years ago, sought professional counsel, passed a lie detector test and is willing to face eleven old angry  white men before the nation would at least cause a moment of pause. What is the rush? The Republican Party was okay having only eight sitting justices for over 400 days, but now they are in a rush? Right! 

Napa our resident hummingbird brain is such a large pile of shit he makes Clinton’s look like a grain of salt in comparison... and as a Clinton hater, that is hard to do. 

Now, back to our European holiday where Dump is MUCH more hated than he even is by the 68% in America. 

THE WORLD LAUGHS AT OUR PRESIDENT! 

Stay in Europe...no point in conversing with you. 

A wonderful hummingbird brain reply. When the facts aren’t on your side, punt! 

I have no doubt you are proud of that presidential performance last night. Oh, I loved the Dump’s response to the question about being laughed at by the world.  Fake news replies the Dump. Care to explain that reply, or is that too difficult? 

flwinoflwinoMember

Three posts in a row by the brain dead Napacat.  What an idiot.  The brain power of a gnat.

Watched the "press Conference" live.  What a jerk!  Berated about every questioner, refused to answer questions, cut off folks, made mindless dribble [Like Napacat], lied, and in short, cut into a good 1 1/2 hours of my drinking time.

Cannot believe that he defends the nominee.  He should keep quite, have Sessions investigate the charges, and let the democracy work. 

He may also keep the DAG.  Huh, let's see the Saturday Night Massacre start!

The Old ManThe Old ManMember

Looks like the craven Repubs made a mistake with their prosecutor. Since she's asking questions for the 11 cowardly white, mostly old, men, she only has chunks of 5 minutes. Just as she gets going she has to stop. Gives Ford time to breathe and then a Dem gets to ask questions (or voice their support to Ford.) Chris Wallace on Fox, "This is a disaster for the Republicans."

bmanbmanMember

Fox News (Chris Wallace and Brit Hume):

""Wallace said Ford was extremely emotional, raw and credible in her testimony and the first round of questioning. ""

""Nobody could listen to her deliver those words and talk about the assault and the impact it had had on her life and not have your heart go out to her," Wallace said. "She obviously was traumatized by an event.""

""This is a disaster for the Republicans," Wallace said, noting that Democrats were landing "haymakers" with their follow-up questions to Ford.

"The Democrats are making their points and building her credibility, and Rachel Mitchell has, so far, not landed a glove on this witness."

http://insider.foxnews.com/201...disaster-republicans

Something tells me Hannity and the evening Fox shows will see it differently.  If they attack the Republican leadership rather than Ford, I would say that the jig is up for Kavanaugh

bmanbmanMember
g-man posted:

i personally think that the deep state is run by c-span.  Who, dying for increase in viewership, got trump elected then set it up so that our entire government has devolved into a Kardashian like reality tv show.  And what better place to tune into this shit show if not cspan??

By Jove, old sod, you figured it out! 

irwinirwinMember

tough call.  There is a close play at second base. Was he out or safe?  You look at the replays from the center field camera and he looks out.  You look at the replays from the camera behind 3rd base and he looks safe. Which was it? Was one of the cameras lying? (no--cameras are inanimate objects that just film whatever they are looking at).  Well, people are like that too. They look at the same thing from different perspectives and see different things.

G g-manMember
irwin posted:

tough call.  There is a close play at second base. Was he out or safe?  You look at the replays from the center field camera and he looks out.  You look at the replays from the camera behind 3rd base and he looks safe. Which was it? Was one of the cameras lying? (no--cameras are inanimate objects that just film whatever they are looking at).  Well, people are like that too. They look at the same thing from different perspectives and see different things.

it's why, in science, we try to h ave as many observations as possible to make the most informed judgment we can.  There is always a fundamental truth of the situation, but being biased in t he result sets can and does lead to incorrect conclusions.

The issue is, you need to take time to get informed of all observations before making the proper informed one, but nowadays we just like to 'cut to the chase", "give me the tl:dr", "What's the crux of it".  

N napacatMember
wineart 2 posted:
napacat posted:
wineart 2 posted:

Oh my, I have been in Europe for a week and it seems the forum has decided to feed the troll once again. 

No one could be as willfully ignorant as Napa appears without being a simple troll. Napa clearly has the intellectual depth of a hummingbird, equates all in this thread as a Democrat that does not agree with him, ( WRONG) thinks Dump is a republican ( WRONG) has zero understanding of history just like Dump, yet Napa clear plays the fool well.

Napa attacks democrats. The hummingbird mind can’t understand it was the generational Democrats that put Dump in office. Pretty simple to understand for most. The hummingbird also can’t seem to comprehend ( surprise) that I haven’t seen people within this thread ( perhaps I missed something) that are taking strong positions on the nominee without ALL the facts. Seems odd to me that cases from decades ago have serious relevance against Cosby, sexual abuse cases 50 years old have relevance against priest, yet potential sexual abuse against Kavanaugh should not be thoroughly investigated. As people have pointed out to the hummingbird, background checks are not criminal investigations. Doesn’t seem too hard to me, but I’m not a hummingbird.

The fact that Kavanaugh’s accuser talked about him and his attack some six years ago, sought professional counsel, passed a lie detector test and is willing to face eleven old angry  white men before the nation would at least cause a moment of pause. What is the rush? The Republican Party was okay having only eight sitting justices for over 400 days, but now they are in a rush? Right! 

Napa our resident hummingbird brain is such a large pile of shit he makes Clinton’s look like a grain of salt in comparison... and as a Clinton hater, that is hard to do. 

Now, back to our European holiday where Dump is MUCH more hated than he even is by the 68% in America. 

THE WORLD LAUGHS AT OUR PRESIDENT! 

Stay in Europe...no point in conversing with you. 

A wonderful hummingbird brain reply. When the facts aren’t on your side, punt! 

I have no doubt you are proud of that presidential performance last night. Oh, I loved the Dump’s response to the question about being laughed at by the world.  Fake news replies the Dump. Care to explain that reply, or is that too difficult? 

He’s a massive egomaniac / narcissist.

bmanbmanMember
napacat posted:
wineart2 

I have no doubt you are proud of that presidential performance last night. Oh, I loved the Dump’s response to the question about being laughed at by the world.  Fake news replies the Dump. Care to explain that reply, or is that too difficult? 

He’s a massive egomaniac / narcissist.

We agree about something!  

billhikebillhikeMember
sd-wineaux posted:
billhike posted:

PSA for those who forgot what 50 degrees and drizzle feels like - it sucks ass.

You’re welcome.

Worse than someone saying your name for the last time?

Perspective, Bill. Perspective. Of course, when your best alternative perspective is from six feet under then your current perspective sucks ass.

Now that I'm on the wrong side of 50, I prefer to ignore thoughts of death. 

irwinirwinMember

The FBI will be interviewing Judge Kavanaugh's classmate, Professor Charles Ludington of N.C. State University.  He is a history professor, who writes and lectures extensively on the history of wine, in particular, the influence of the British and the Irish on Bordeaux.  He's written numerous articles and given many talks at conferences on various topics relating to wine. You can look him up easily on the internet.

his cv lists:
“From the West Country to the World: A Global History of Cheddar Cheese,” Britain and the World Conference, Austin, TX, April 4, 2015
 “Terroir or not Terroir: A Global History of Cheddar Cheese,” American Society of Environmental History, Annual Conference, Washington DC, March 21, 2015
 I bet he really packed them in with the lectures on cheddar cheese.
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irwinirwinMember
irwin posted:

we should not be analyzing this in terms of guilt or innocence.  This is not a criminal proceeding.  If charges had been filed immediately after this incident took place (if indeed it did) since Judge kavanaugh was a minor at the time, it would likely have been dealt with in our juvenile court, where the issue is not termed "guilt or innocence".

The questions are (supposed to be) these:

1) Does this guy have the professional experience, intelligence, and exposure to the Supreme Court and its tasks and functions to serve on that court?  (for sure he does)

2) Are his views of the law so wacky and out of the mainstream that he should be rejected, or are they more normative? (They are normative)

3) The last....Does he possess the requisite moral character to serve in this position?  Personally, even if as a high school student or college kid he did some awful things, it seems that in the last 33 or so years he's been ok.  I think back to some of the things I did when I was young and stupid (as opposed to now, when I am old and stupid).  On balance, I'd be likely, if I were in the Senate, to give him a pass and vote for him.

But, now, based on the strident positions of both sides, there is a fourth question. An inappropriate one, in my view, and that is:  How would voting for or against the confirmation affect my political future?  The US Senators, who in general have backbones not unlike your average jellyfish, will vote solely on the basis of this 4th question.

In the movie about Justice ginsburg, Orrin Hatch said that he disagreed with her opinions on things, but that she was qualified, and hence he voted for her.  But this type of civility is gone.  Where are the Jeffersons and the Washingtons?  They are not in politics, they are in the NFL.

 

 

 

Well, I've changed my mind. Kavanaugh lied to the committee under oath. News is out about a bar fight in which he engaged while at Yale.  There is a police report, witnesses. 

He should not be confirmed and, indeed, should be zapped off the appellate court. We have plenty of lying in court. We don't need a judge who is a liar. 

President Clinton lied in a deposition. He was disbarred. Should have been prosecuted. Same fate should await Kavanaugh.

N napacatMember
mneeley490 posted:
irwin posted:
g-man posted:

i like beer.

If the S. Ct. thing doesn't work out, I think I can identify someone who could get a gig doing commercials for beer.

Tastes great!

Less filling!

Tastes great!!

Less filling!!

TASTES GREAT!!!

Ahhhh! Get that away from my face!

 

Looks like it worked out.  What a great weekend that this mob of losers was defeated and the Democratic Party in general.  Their tactics are digusting and good for Senator Graham for saying so in the hearings.  

A feel of lightness and truth has presided.  Next up...how about looking into Keith Ellison...bye Keith.  Just like Orin Hatch did to the protester outside the elevator! Good for him too.

InsightInsightMember

No need to refute stupidity.  When you type "truth has presided", that's all we need to know that you truly are dumber than you look.  

If you interviewed Bart O'Kavanaugh for a job at McDonald's, you wouldn't hire him if he'd replicated the lies and behavior that he presented before the entire world.  

Actually I take that back.  You probably would be dumb enough to do so, as long as he proclaimed his partisan mindset fit yours.

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Btw. I learned in the past few days, you can accidentally hire 9 people, accidentally fly them to a foreign country, accidentally kill someone, accidentally cut them up in various little pieces, accidentally have the consul worker say to do it outside because he might get in trouble, and accidentally fly the 9 folks home the same night.

 

On that note, I put my 2$ in for the mega millions, in case I get such accidental luck.

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bmanbmanMember
g-man posted:
bman posted:
winetarelli posted:

Ugh. For so many different reasons. Ugh. 

So we can start trashing The Orange Menace and the Republicans again? Cool!! 

Why bother?  I'ts not gonna make a difference, the red wave is coming..  I'm not even going to bother to vote, no point.

Isn't red tide a toxic thing in seaside communities?  

G g-manMember
robsutherland posted:

Not aimed at g-man, just had someone send it to me as a perfect retort to an irritating co-worker  

I wonder if you would comprehend this better if your parents were second cousins instead of first... 

What difference does it make

apparently some americans think that 1/1024 means you h ave 1024 chances to be native american =P

bmanbmanMember
mikemann posted:

More hate and political bullshit. It’s all that’s discussed here. And you wonder why this site has declined. Let’s all pick on Naoacat and say how horrible Trump is. Those who populate this thread have no right to question the disappearance of those of who you disgust.

OK, those last few words were a bit confusing.  But in any case, I see this thread as welcome pressure-release valve for these forums.  We discuss lots of stuff that is unrelated to wine all over these forums and I for one like that.  It has always been difficult to avoid politics in any online discussion group so to me it makes sense to have a thread like this where those of us so inclined can vent our political views, away from the more measured discussions elsewhere.  And if anyone doesn't like it then, as is the case with TV or movies or (in my case) most hip-hop music, just ignore it and move on! 

W winocaMember
mikemann posted:

More hate and political bullshit. It’s all that’s discussed here. And you wonder why this site has declined. Let’s all pick on Naoacat and say how horrible Trump is. Those who populate this thread have no right to question the disappearance of those of who you disgust.

This thread is hardly random and not really off topic. It's turned into a political rant thread ripe with insults and negativity and the occasional funny post true to the title. Perhaps the WS admins could create a "Politics" or "Everything Else" section outside of the wine discussion so people can discuss and bicker about politics and current events there.

flwinoflwinoMember
Rothko posted:

The beaches are open again, at least in Palm Beach County.  The red tide was bad a week or two ago, when they shut down the beaches for a few days.  Lots of people were complaining about coughing and breathing issues.

I feel bad for the folks dealing with the algae problem north of us as well.

 

Now also in Key West

sunnylea57sunnylea57Member
winoca posted:
mikemann posted:

More hate and political bullshit. It’s all that’s discussed here. And you wonder why this site has declined. Let’s all pick on Naoacat and say how horrible Trump is. Those who populate this thread have no right to question the disappearance of those of who you disgust.

This thread is hardly random and not really off topic. It's turned into a political rant thread ripe with insults and negativity and the occasional funny post true to the title. Perhaps the WS admins could create a "Politics" or "Everything Else" section outside of the wine discussion so people can discuss and bicker about politics and current events there.

New topic started. We'll see if it lasts.

sunnylea57sunnylea57Member
sunnylea57 posted:
winoca posted:
mikemann posted:

More hate and political bullshit. It’s all that’s discussed here. And you wonder why this site has declined. Let’s all pick on Naoacat and say how horrible Trump is. Those who populate this thread have no right to question the disappearance of those of who you disgust.

This thread is hardly random and not really off topic. It's turned into a political rant thread ripe with insults and negativity and the occasional funny post true to the title. Perhaps the WS admins could create a "Politics" or "Everything Else" section outside of the wine discussion so people can discuss and bicker about politics and current events there.

New topic started. We'll see if it lasts.

Haha. It lasted about 5 minutes.

bmanbmanMember
sunnylea57 posted:
sunnylea57 posted:
winoca posted:
mikemann posted:

More hate and political bullshit. It’s all that’s discussed here. And you wonder why this site has declined. Let’s all pick on Naoacat and say how horrible Trump is. Those who populate this thread have no right to question the disappearance of those of who you disgust.

This thread is hardly random and not really off topic. It's turned into a political rant thread ripe with insults and negativity and the occasional funny post true to the title. Perhaps the WS admins could create a "Politics" or "Everything Else" section outside of the wine discussion so people can discuss and bicker about politics and current events there.

New topic started. We'll see if it lasts.

Haha. It lasted about 5 minutes.

Probably my fault.  I posted that Mattis was likely the first to go.  Someone at WS likes him, I guess?  

mimikmimikMember
winoca posted:
mikemann posted:

More hate and political bullshit. It’s all that’s discussed here. And you wonder why this site has declined. Let’s all pick on Naoacat and say how horrible Trump is. Those who populate this thread have no right to question the disappearance of those of who you disgust.

This thread is hardly random and not really off topic. It's turned into a political rant thread ripe with insults and negativity and the occasional funny post true to the title. Perhaps the WS admins could create a "Politics" or "Everything Else" section outside of the wine discussion so people can discuss and bicker about politics and current events there.

Good idea. We can call that section ‘Madder than hell’.

bmanbmanMember
mimik posted:
winoca posted:
mikemann posted:

More hate and political bullshit. It’s all that’s discussed here. And you wonder why this site has declined. Let’s all pick on Naoacat and say how horrible Trump is. Those who populate this thread have no right to question the disappearance of those of who you disgust.

This thread is hardly random and not really off topic. It's turned into a political rant thread ripe with insults and negativity and the occasional funny post true to the title. Perhaps the WS admins could create a "Politics" or "Everything Else" section outside of the wine discussion so people can discuss and bicker about politics and current events there.

Good idea. We can call that section ‘Madder than hell’.

That has a familiar ring to it for some reason....

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g-man posted:
robsutherland posted:

Not aimed at g-man, just had someone send it to me as a perfect retort to an irritating co-worker  

I wonder if you would comprehend this better if your parents were second cousins instead of first... 

What difference does it make

apparently some americans think that 1/1024 means you h ave 1024 chances to be native american =P

.009 makes you Native American.  Only a moron what put that out there as proof of her claim.

Bye Pocahontas!!

mimikmimikMember
irwin posted:
I don’t favor murder, and I don’t approve of the murder of this fellow in the embassy in Turkey.  But, it’s a bit ironic, as Turkey seems to be one of the leading
countries for jailing and punishing journalists.
 
 

Absolutely right. Turkey is a pretty bad ally in the region. I think it’s more about challenging Saudi Arabia’s influence in that region more so then human rights. But in Turkeys defence, I don’t think they would go to this brutal extreme.

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The Old ManThe Old ManMember

From the Twitter thumbs of the demagogue in chief.

“Republicans are doing so well in early voting, and at the polls, and now this ‘Bomb’ stuff happens and the momentum greatly slows - news not talking politics,” Trump tweeted early Friday. “Very unfortunate, what is going on. Republicans, go out and vote!”

"...this 'Bomb' stuff"... What a pig.  I give you Napacat's hero.

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irwinirwinMember

We have no idea what early voters are doing.  See these two articles, one of which says that the early voters are pro-Republican and the other saying the opposite.

All the votes count the same, whether cast early, on election day at 8AM, on election day at 6PM or by absentee.

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theoldman posted:

From the Twitter thumbs of the demagogue in chief.

“Republicans are doing so well in early voting, and at the polls, and now this ‘Bomb’ stuff happens and the momentum greatly slows - news not talking politics,” Trump tweeted early Friday. “Very unfortunate, what is going on. Republicans, go out and vote!”

"...this 'Bomb' stuff"... What a pig.  I give you Napacat's hero.

Oh, come on Old Man. Napa has the intellectual depth of a hummingbird ( no disrespect meant to hummingbirds) and approves of taking toddlers away from their parents for nothing more than a misdemeanor. Yes, a misdemeanor. 

It is also comforting that the orange dump knows who is voting ( his first BS tweet of the day) and cares more about that than one of his own cult members sending bombs in the mail to those whom the orange dump calls evil and the enemy of the people. 

Robert De Niro was right! 

W wine+artMember
theoldman posted:

Well a prominent sticker says, "CNN Sucks." You know the same thing that Trumpers chant during his rallies with him doing his best Mussolini-like smug look. Forget that he applauded a politician "body slamming" a reporter just last week.  But he Tweets, while taking a dump at 3am, "...this 'Bomb' stuff."

Haha .😊 The orange dump is indeed so Benito like, especially when he crosses his arms and sticks out his bottom lip like the petulant sick fuck that he is. 

bmanbmanMember
napacat posted:

Have not been around in a while...still see the same old nonsense, name calling and childlike behavior.  Depressing group you lads are, sitting around and wallowing in your misery.  SAD!

A chunk of our misery will vanish a week from tonight when the Dems take back the House, and a few weeks later when they start issuing subpoenas - at which point Trump's will grow exponentially and his menace will be diminished.

Can't wait to see his tax returns!

W wine+artMember
flwino posted:
napacat posted:

Have not been around in a while...still see the same old nonsense, name calling and childlike behavior.  Depressing group you lads are, sitting around and wallowing in your misery.  SAD!

So why did you come back?

Did the little troll really say, childlike behavior?   Umm, see the orange dump! 

I know I’m now sleeping much better knowing that Putin’s poodle is sending 5000 troops in a purely political stunt to the boarder to stop the “ invasion “still some 4-6 weeks away. The orange fear monger is truly feeding his cult with all this BS of the bogeyman is coming LOL crap. 

So, we will now have more American troops at our boarder than we have in Iraq fighting ISIS which outnumbers our troops four to one. BRILLIANT. Watch out for that bogeyman. 

mneeley490mneeley490Member
wineart 2 posted:

So, we will now have more American troops at our boarder than we have in Iraq fighting ISIS which outnumbers our troops four to one. BRILLIANT. Watch out for that bogeyman. 

No need to worry. Sarah Huckabee-Sanders said on Monday that Trump had already defeated ISIS (among other outstanding achievements). So, there's that. 

W wine+artMember
mneeley490 posted:
wineart 2 posted:

So, we will now have more American troops at our boarder than we have in Iraq fighting ISIS which outnumbers our troops four to one. BRILLIANT. Watch out for that bogeyman. 

No need to worry. Sarah Huckabee-Sanders said on Monday that Trump had already defeated ISIS (among other outstanding achievements). So, there's that. 

I can’t think of a better mouthpiece for the small ignorant  thinking and fearmongering for the sick dump in the Oval Office than her!