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True story: I had a really difficult neighbor who thought everyone was a jerk here because they all gave her a hard time. I tried to explain to her that if so many others were giving her a hard time maybe It was her that was the problem not them? Then she moved away and left us. Her replacement taught us all what a real jerk could be. I wish we had the old jerk around here instead.

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Whenever I look at this stream, I am amazed at the vitriol posted here from people who should know better.  It is not enough to spout their views on things, mostly political, but they have to attack anyone who might disagree with their views.  Everyone should strive to be better than this.  I have friends on both sides of the political spectrum and with some of those who are on the opposite side, I am able to have reasonable discussions of political views.  For those who are unable to have a rational discussion, I avoid having any discussion.  It is not worth it.  Try to be better.

@thistlintom posted:

Whenever I look at this stream, I am amazed at the vitriol posted here from people who should know better.  It is not enough to spout their views on things, mostly political, but they have to attack anyone who might disagree with their views.  Everyone should strive to be better than this.  I have friends on both sides of the political spectrum and with some of those who are on the opposite side, I am able to have reasonable discussions of political views.  For those who are unable to have a rational discussion, I avoid having any discussion.  It is not worth it.  Try to be better.

Agree. While I enjoy participating in political discussions here and pointing out Trump's nonsense and the harm he's doing to the US and the rest of the world, I  don't like the vitriol. Let's keep it civil. 

@thistlintom posted:

Whenever I look at this stream, I am amazed at the vitriol posted here from people who should know better.  It is not enough to spout their views on things, mostly political, but they have to attack anyone who might disagree with their views.  Everyone should strive to be better than this.  I have friends on both sides of the political spectrum and with some of those who are on the opposite side, I am able to have reasonable discussions of political views.  For those who are unable to have a rational discussion, I avoid having any discussion.  It is not worth it.  Try to be better.

I'll admit it, respectfully and without vitriol, I have a hard time having a reasonable discussion when I see my country going down while led by a racist, bigoted, teller of thousands of lies, sexist know-nothing demagogue. (I know you don't like my mantra of listing this man's serious flaws that make him unfit for the presidency, but I don't believe I've ever seen you even try to refute the facts I've brought up here in the past to support my views.) There were not two equally valid viewpoints in pre-1860s America (You're for slavery and I'm not so let's agree to disagree) and there certainly isn't today.

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@thistlintom posted:

Whenever I look at this stream, I am amazed at the vitriol posted here from people who should know better.  It is not enough to spout their views on things, mostly political, but they have to attack anyone who might disagree with their views.  Everyone should strive to be better than this.  I have friends on both sides of the political spectrum and with some of those who are on the opposite side, I am able to have reasonable discussions of political views.  For those who are unable to have a rational discussion, I avoid having any discussion.  It is not worth it.  Try to be better.

I tried this approach...didn’t really go well with folks here. I try not to be a name caller, but fail at times.  No reason people just cannot have different view points. 

I have said many times...that I despised Hillary so much that there was only one choice.  And on top of that, I agree a lot more with Republican ideology than a democratic one.   

@thistlintom posted:

Whenever I look at this stream, I am amazed at the vitriol posted here from people who should know better.  It is not enough to spout their views on things, mostly political, but they have to attack anyone who might disagree with their views.  Everyone should strive to be better than this.  I have friends on both sides of the political spectrum and with some of those who are on the opposite side, I am able to have reasonable discussions of political views.  For those who are unable to have a rational discussion, I avoid having any discussion.  It is not worth it.  Try to be better.

This

I miss the old days on these boards.  When I first joined almost 20 years ago I met so many amazing people, many of whom I consider friends, had some amazing times and tasted some fabulous wines, all the while learning and growing my love and appreciation of same.  The boards don't feel that way any longer, hence the fact I don't hang around or post much any more.  

Disappointing, and too bad.

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Anti-Semitic incidents in U.S. hit record high in 2019, report says

I met this rabbi in the picture at an event about year ago. I did not know at first who he was, but when I shook his hand it was wrapped with a blue cloth. Later I found out it was because he was missing a finger or two. As I said two days ago, starting in 2017 anti-Semitic attacks rose at their greatest rate since tracking was begun by the Anti-Defamation League. They have continued at this pace for the last three years. There was only one major change our country has experienced during that time frame and that's the presidency of a man who regularly spews venom and hate toward minorities.

@Vino Bevo posted:

I miss the old days on these boards.  When I first joined almost 20 years ago I met so many amazing people, many of whom I consider friends, had some amazing times and tasted some fabulous wines, all the while learning and growing my love and appreciation of same.  The boards don't feel that way any longer, hence the fact I don't hang around or post much any more.  

Disappointing, and too bad.

If you stay out of this particular thread I think you'll find that nothing has changed here except the numbers of participants has gone way down. This thread is the one place that WS has allowed political discussions (which I didn't even discover for years because I never visited this thread.) And yeah, political discussions, particularly in these times, can get very heated. So why not just change the channel?

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Seems to me that this thread is a necessary outlet through which those of us who wish to do so can share their political views (and other thoughts that are off topic) without interfering with other topics. Much like the former Madder Than Hell forum.

And yes, if the comments on this thread, one of dozens of threads here I would note, offend anyone then just ignore it. Much like one might ignore tv channels that offend or don't interest them. 

That said, I reiterate that there is no need for vitriol or name calling of our fellow forumites.  

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@bman posted:

Seems to me that this thread is a necessary outlet through which those of us who wish to do so can share their political views (and other thoughts that are off topic) without interfering with other topics. Much like the former Madder Than Hell forum.

And yes, if the comments on this thread, one of dozens of threads here I would note, offend anyone then just ignore it. Much like one might ignore tv channels that offend or don't interest them. 

That said, I reiterate that there is no need for vitriol or name calling of our fellow forumites.  

I'll just never understand it. I'm on another forum with a member that just posts (to me) unbelievably ignorant things. So you know what I do? I don't read them anymore. It's quite easy.

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