Year of the Pig.
Prediction: President Trump will be more offensive tonight at the State of the Union than the Rams were this past Sunday in the Super Bowl.
irwin posted:Prediction: President Trump will be more offensive tonight at the State of the Union than the Rams were this past Sunday in the Super Bowl.
What is the over/under for number of lies he spews?
A wall of Trump supporters standing side by side - In the hot sun, no water
tax season looks awfully fun this year
"If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation."
8.47 million.
(The number of people living in Virginia)
winetarelli posted:8.47 million.
(The number of people living in Virginia)
Number of politicians in blackface: 2 and counting
Socialism seems to be attracting quite a following. How many here believe in Warren's, Sanders', and Ocasio-Cortez' versions?
arsenal4ever posted:Socialism seems to be attracting quite a following. How many here believe in Warren's, Sanders', and Ocasio-Cortez' versions?
Need to define. Medicare and social security are socialistic in form. Also so other programs. Yes the rich should pay more. The tax cut gave too much to the top 1% and middle class zilch.
My earnings about even for last two years. TY 2017 got back $300 TY 2018 $0.00
flwino posted:arsenal4ever posted:Socialism seems to be attracting quite a following. How many here believe in Warren's, Sanders', and Ocasio-Cortez' versions?
Need to define. Medicare and social security are socialistic in form. Also so other programs. Yes the rich should pay more. The tax cut gave too much to the top 1% and middle class zilch.
My earnings about even for last two years. TY 2017 got back $300 TY 2018 $0.00
tax cut gave to the .1% of wealth holders. Folks conflate income and wealth.
And btw, socialism has been so bastardized that even i have no idea what socialism acutally means. Apparently you can be a democratic capitalistic socialist due to the dumbing down of meanings in english words.
g-man posted:flwino posted:arsenal4ever posted:Socialism seems to be attracting quite a following. How many here believe in Warren's, Sanders', and Ocasio-Cortez' versions?
Need to define. Medicare and social security are socialistic in form. Also so other programs. Yes the rich should pay more. The tax cut gave too much to the top 1% and middle class zilch.
My earnings about even for last two years. TY 2017 got back $300 TY 2018 $0.00
tax cut gave to the .1% of wealth holders. Folks conflate income and wealth.
And btw, socialism has been so bastardized that even i have no idea what socialism acutally means. Apparently you can be a democratic capitalistic socialist due to the dumbing down of meanings in english words.
This definition seems as good as any: "Socialism is an economic system where the ways of making a living (factories, offices, etc.) are owned by a society as a whole, meaning the value made belongs to everyone in that society, instead of a group of private owners. "
And as long as we are talking about the misuse of words so they become political weapons, how about the words "liberal" and "conservative", neither one of which seems to me to be used anywhere near correctly in American political discourse.
I like this definition of liberalism, given that the root of the word is "liberty": "Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty."
And this definition of conservatism: "Conservatism is a political philosophy which believes that if changes need to be made to society, they should be made gradually."
Note the actual meaning of liberalism is pretty much the opposite meaning that is applied in the US, while conservatism is not the opposite but is certainly a very different meaning than that used in the US.
bman posted:g-man posted:flwino posted:arsenal4ever posted:Socialism seems to be attracting quite a following. How many here believe in Warren's, Sanders', and Ocasio-Cortez' versions?
Need to define. Medicare and social security are socialistic in form. Also so other programs. Yes the rich should pay more. The tax cut gave too much to the top 1% and middle class zilch.
My earnings about even for last two years. TY 2017 got back $300 TY 2018 $0.00
tax cut gave to the .1% of wealth holders. Folks conflate income and wealth.
And btw, socialism has been so bastardized that even i have no idea what socialism acutally means. Apparently you can be a democratic capitalistic socialist due to the dumbing down of meanings in english words.
This definition seems as good as any: "Socialism is an economic system where the ways of making a living (factories, offices, etc.) are owned by a society as a whole, meaning the value made belongs to everyone in that society, instead of a group of private owners. "
And as long as we are talking about the misuse of words so they become political weapons, how about the words "liberal" and "conservative", neither one of which seems to me to be used anywhere near correctly in American political discourse.
I like this definition of liberalism, given that the root of the word is "liberty": "Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty."
And this definition of conservatism: "Conservatism is a political philosophy which believes that if changes need to be made to society, they should be made gradually."
Note the actual meaning of liberalism is pretty much the opposite meaning that is applied in the US, while conservatism is not the opposite but is certainly a very different meaning than that used in the US.
Good post Bman..and correct what a different meaning that Liberalism has in American society than what is written above. AOC is absolutely out of her mind...and ditto the others (Warren (sorry Pocahontas), Sanders and any others who sign on board to the Green Dream. Forgot the name of the man I heard on TV last night...but he basically said, that you have to have a childlike mind to spout off / believe the crap AOC spews out. Complete insanity.
napacat posted:bman posted:And btw, socialism has been so bastardized that even i have no idea what socialism acutally means. Apparently you can be a democratic capitalistic socialist due to the dumbing down of meanings in english words.
This definition seems as good as any: "Socialism is an economic system where the ways of making a living (factories, offices, etc.) are owned by a society as a whole, meaning the value made belongs to everyone in that society, instead of a group of private owners. "
And as long as we are talking about the misuse of words so they become political weapons, how about the words "liberal" and "conservative", neither one of which seems to me to be used anywhere near correctly in American political discourse.
I like this definition of liberalism, given that the root of the word is "liberty": "Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty."
And this definition of conservatism: "Conservatism is a political philosophy which believes that if changes need to be made to society, they should be made gradually."
Note the actual meaning of liberalism is pretty much the opposite meaning that is applied in the US, while conservatism is not the opposite but is certainly a very different meaning than that used in the US.
Good post Bman..and correct what a different meaning that Liberalism has in American society than what is written above. AOC is absolutely out of her mind...and ditto the others (Warren (sorry Pocahontas), Sanders and any others who sign on board to the Green Dream. Forgot the name of the man I heard on TV last night...but he basically said, that you have to have a childlike mind to spout off / believe the crap AOC spews out. Complete insanity.
What crap exactly are we talking about?
bman posted:napacat posted:bman posted:And btw, socialism has been so bastardized that even i have no idea what socialism acutally means. Apparently you can be a democratic capitalistic socialist due to the dumbing down of meanings in english words.
This definition seems as good as any: "Socialism is an economic system where the ways of making a living (factories, offices, etc.) are owned by a society as a whole, meaning the value made belongs to everyone in that society, instead of a group of private owners. "
And as long as we are talking about the misuse of words so they become political weapons, how about the words "liberal" and "conservative", neither one of which seems to me to be used anywhere near correctly in American political discourse.
I like this definition of liberalism, given that the root of the word is "liberty": "Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty."
And this definition of conservatism: "Conservatism is a political philosophy which believes that if changes need to be made to society, they should be made gradually."
Note the actual meaning of liberalism is pretty much the opposite meaning that is applied in the US, while conservatism is not the opposite but is certainly a very different meaning than that used in the US.
Good post Bman..and correct what a different meaning that Liberalism has in American society than what is written above. AOC is absolutely out of her mind...and ditto the others (Warren (sorry Pocahontas), Sanders and any others who sign on board to the Green Dream. Forgot the name of the man I heard on TV last night...but he basically said, that you have to have a childlike mind to spout off / believe the crap AOC spews out. Complete insanity.
What crap exactly are we talking about?
Does that question really warrant a reply? I'll just start with automatic pay for people who are "unwilling" to work.
napacat posted:bman posted:napacat posted:bman posted:And btw, socialism has been so bastardized that even i have no idea what socialism acutally means. Apparently you can be a democratic capitalistic socialist due to the dumbing down of meanings in english words.
This definition seems as good as any: "Socialism is an economic system where the ways of making a living (factories, offices, etc.) are owned by a society as a whole, meaning the value made belongs to everyone in that society, instead of a group of private owners. "
And as long as we are talking about the misuse of words so they become political weapons, how about the words "liberal" and "conservative", neither one of which seems to me to be used anywhere near correctly in American political discourse.
I like this definition of liberalism, given that the root of the word is "liberty": "Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty."
And this definition of conservatism: "Conservatism is a political philosophy which believes that if changes need to be made to society, they should be made gradually."
Note the actual meaning of liberalism is pretty much the opposite meaning that is applied in the US, while conservatism is not the opposite but is certainly a very different meaning than that used in the US.
Good post Bman..and correct what a different meaning that Liberalism has in American society than what is written above. AOC is absolutely out of her mind...and ditto the others (Warren (sorry Pocahontas), Sanders and any others who sign on board to the Green Dream. Forgot the name of the man I heard on TV last night...but he basically said, that you have to have a childlike mind to spout off / believe the crap AOC spews out. Complete insanity.
What crap exactly are we talking about?
Does that question really warrant a reply? I'll just start with automatic pay for people who are "unwilling" to work.
You mean welfare and unemployment insurance, which exist throughout the US and according to Republicans, includes millions who are unwilling to work? Or her Green New Deal, which I agree is a stretch beyond that and pretty out there but doesn't really seem all that different from other social programs.
Whatever your reply, I for one am happy to see some new ideas for addressing the social inequality in the US, unrealistic as some may be. The Gini coefficient places the US in 33rd place of 38 OECD countries, which is shameful, and of course Trump's tax cuts will make inequality worse.
As for "spewing crap", are you sure you want to go there, being such a loyal and fervent supporter of the Spewer-of-Crap-in-Chief, the person who spews an average of over 10 lies a day over his two years in office?
As a classical liberal in the vein of J. S. Mill and John Rawls I am also upset by the misuse of the word these days.
I would add, however, that classical political liberalism does tend to treat economic issues *somewhat* differently from other issues, whereby things like progressive income taxes and robust social safety nets are not at odds with the traditional liberal and egalitarian political philosophies dating back centuries. Thus, one of the main ‘in practice’ liberal/libertarian distinctions.
But, indeed, current usage of “liberal” as a synonym for “left” is exactly as rediculous as thinking Mill and Marx are interchangeable.
Speaking of tax cuts, this middle-income taxpayer did his taxes this weekend. Virtually no change in the amount of return from last year. Thanks, GOP.
winetarelli posted:As a classical liberal in the vein of J. S. Mill and John Rawls I am also upset by the misuse of the word these days.
I would add, however, that classical political liberalism does tend to treat economic issues *somewhat* differently from other issues, whereby things like progressive income taxes and robust social safety nets are not at odds with the traditional liberal and egalitarian political philosophies dating back centuries. Thus, one of the main ‘in practice’ liberal/libertarian distinctions.
But, indeed, current usage of “liberal” as a synonym for “left” is exactly as rediculous as thinking Mill and Marx are interchangeable.
What I've found though, is that "Trump supporter" and "dumb" are quite succinct in their descriptions of each other.
g-man posted:winetarelli posted:As a classical liberal in the vein of J. S. Mill and John Rawls I am also upset by the misuse of the word these days.
I would add, however, that classical political liberalism does tend to treat economic issues *somewhat* differently from other issues, whereby things like progressive income taxes and robust social safety nets are not at odds with the traditional liberal and egalitarian political philosophies dating back centuries. Thus, one of the main ‘in practice’ liberal/libertarian distinctions.
But, indeed, current usage of “liberal” as a synonym for “left” is exactly as rediculous as thinking Mill and Marx are interchangeable.
What I've found though, is that "Trump supporter" and "dumb" are quite succinct in their descriptions of each other.
While Trump supporters do not seem to hold a monopoly on “dumb”, “dumb” does seem to hold a monopoly on Trump supporters.