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robsutherland posted:

The escort at the table next to me REALLY knows her wine and just had a five minute conversation with the somm while her "Date" for the night looked on flabbergasted and totally lost. It was really hard not to laugh or join the conversation. 

I'm tempted to ask how you know she's an escort.....

bman posted:
robsutherland posted:

The escort at the table next to me REALLY knows her wine and just had a five minute conversation with the somm while her "Date" for the night looked on flabbergasted and totally lost. It was really hard not to laugh or join the conversation. 

I'm tempted to ask how you know she's an escort.....

I'm eating at Picasso in Vegas bman. It's a guess but certainly not a reach... They don't know each other and she ordered '89 joly, a 5 puttanos for the fois and then a columbo for the venison. Her date (and I) were both drooling after (for I believe different reasons).

g-man posted:
robsutherland posted:

She's also wearing a one piece pants-suit with a halter top and her breasts have fallen out twice so...

#winning =)

Thanks for the morning giggle!

We ate at Picasso a few years back. Reservation was for when they opened, and on the advice of some here, we were there 5 minutes early so we could get the patio table closest to the fountains, and we brought our own bottle: a Mollydooker Carnival of Love, since it was our anniversary and it's one of our faves.  The (French) server acted as if it was nuclear waste but the somm got it and comped us the corkage, if memory serves! 

Don't recall seeing any hookers but then again, we were outside with our backs to the other tables. 

thistlintom posted:

Texas which has some of the tougher voter ID laws has found 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls of which 58,000 have voted.  If Texas has that many, than I would bet states with less strict laws have a lot more.  I would suggest this is a problem that should be dealt with by all states.

Link to info?

thistlintom posted:

Texas which has some of the tougher voter ID laws has found 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls of which 58,000 have voted.  If Texas has that many, than I would bet states with less strict laws have a lot more.  I would suggest this is a problem that should be dealt with by all states.

The 95,000 are the numbers on the voter rolls going back to 1996 who were on any voter roll in any election,  and the 58,000 who voted were those who voted in any election over that period.  The 95,000 represents a little more than half a percent of the 16 million registered votes and so the 58,000 represents maybe a third of a percent. 

So, not to say that there is no problem, but in most systems, especially once that involves maybe a million or more officials in thousands of jurisdictions over dozens of elections over 22 years, I think an error rate of a third of a percent is not such a big deal, especially considering there are so many in the US who may think they are entitled to vote because they have been in the country for years.  

More info here: More

 

thistlintom posted:

Texas which has some of the tougher voter ID laws has found 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls of which 58,000 have voted.  If Texas has that many, than I would bet states with less strict laws have a lot more.  I would suggest this is a problem that should be dealt with by all states.

This report is being shredded across Texas as being far too shallow in its reporting and currently has no value with much, MUCH more in-depth investigation. The Secretary of State also has no ability to take action. Only county officials have such.

Numerous reports even included in this mornings local news are showing how invalid this report is. This report is pulling information from people with a drivers license. Texas has over 50,000 people ever year become naturalized citizens. That is over 50,000, per year! The records pulled for this report was from all ( decades) open records. There is zero correlation between obtaining a drivers license and becoming a naturalized citizen. 

Needless to say, there needs to be much more investigation, plus county officials don’t use a drivers license as proof of citizenship. It is only one of the ways to identify you are the person on the official county roll before voting. 

wineart 2 posted:
thistlintom posted:

Texas which has some of the tougher voter ID laws has found 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls of which 58,000 have voted.  If Texas has that many, than I would bet states with less strict laws have a lot more.  I would suggest this is a problem that should be dealt with by all states.

This report is being shredded across Texas as being far too shallow in its reporting and currently has no value with much, MUCH more in-depth investigation. The Secretary of State also has no ability to take action. Only county officials have such.

Numerous reports even included in this mornings local news are showing how invalid this report is. This report is pulling information from people with a drivers license. Texas has over 50,000 people ever year become naturalized citizens. That is over 50,000, per year! The records pulled for this report was from all ( decades) open records. There is zero correlation between obtaining a drivers license and becoming a naturalized citizen. 

Needless to say, there needs to be much more investigation, plus county officials don’t use a drivers license as proof of citizenship. It is only one of the ways to identify you are the person on the official county roll before voting. 

P.S. it was also reported today that the so called 58,000 were not all in the last election. This was a number from all current data which includes numerous election data going back to the 1990’s. Trash in, trash out at this point. 

I know that the 58,000 votes are over a couple of decades, but as I read it it was 58,000 different voters, not 58,000 votes in total, which is still significant.

I'd be interested to see more information on this, maybe the number of non-voters are less than the report, but if thousands of votes are invalid, then that is a problem in my mind, especially since there have been some pretty close votes in some races, such as Al Franken's initial victory. 

My concern about this is that Texas is relatively strict in voter laws, and many other states are much more lax.  We should do all we can to ensure that only valid votes are counted.

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thistlintom posted:

I'd be interested to see more information on this, maybe the number of non-voters are less than the report, but if thousands of votes are invalid, then that is a problem in my mind, especially since there have been some pretty close votes in some races, such as Al Franken's initial victory. 

My concern about this is that Texas is relatively strict in voter laws, and many other states are much more lax.  We should do all we can to ensure that only valid votes are counted.

If you look at the info and the link I provided above, you will see more information on this...

 

Thanks I read the article.  From what Wineart2 has posted, I suspect there are more articles about this issue.  My wife still reads the Houston Chronicle so I might check with her on anything there.

Also of note, California is being forced to remove 1.5 million inactive voters from its roles.  I just don't think enough is being done to manage voter roles and ensure that we do not have invalid votes during elections.

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